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  • GiGi on Genesis 9
    Ham's brothers were upset at the way ham disrespected their father and/or mother. They covered Noah up in a respectful manner to avoid any more embarrassing moments. They honored their parents. Ham did not.

    Upon waking, Noah discovered what had happened. Maybe his wife told him what had happened, or Shem and Japhet.

    The text doesn't say. But whatever happened, it was not brushed away as if of no consequence. He pronounced a curse on Ham's son Canaan and blessed Shem and Japheth. Noah was probably sad that he could not place a blessing on all of his sons, but in his own counsel, he felt he needed to give a curse to Ham's son, Canaan. Blessings and curses in the Bible were often given to children when a father was near death. Was this the case for Noah, since Canaan had been born and he would most likely be the youngest grandchild. Was this event at the end of the 350 years Noah lived after the flood?

    We don't read anymore about Noah after this chapter. Be sad if this these were some of the last words Ham heard from his father. We don't hear anymore about this family after this chapter except in the Table of Nations in Chapter 10, so perhaps it was near the end of his life. 350 years had past since they came out of the ark after the flood. Noah would have seen many generations come from his sons. He died before Abraham was born, but his legacy of faith was passed down from Shem to Abraham, just like Adam's legacy was passed down to Noah through Seth's lineage. God always keeps a remnant!
  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply on Genesis 9
    GiGi,

    Loving your posts, there is much we can see that relates to us today. What is amazing there were 1656 years from the creation of Adam to the flood and only 4 chapters of Genesis from Adam and Eve leaving the garden until Noah went into the ark. Like you said many stories about Ham seeing his father naked and the curse on Hams son Canaan. It may be; God had blessed Noah and his sons and Noah could not curse what God had blessed.

    We see later the land promised to Israel was Canaan. And today Israel has just a small portion of the land God promised Abraham. We know that will be fixed in the future. Another amazing thing is the time after the flood I feel the earth was renewed, remember the little dove brought back to Noah an olive leaf that was plucked off a tree.

    I know we think what this earth would look like after a worldwide flood all the fertile land covered in mud muck and debris it would be unlivable. If God can bring the waters together into this sphere and cause the land to appear and be covered with grass, herbs, and fruit trees in a 24-hour time, He can restore the earth for Noah and all the animals to start over. If the seasons were the same the second month when they came out of the ark it would be springtime.

    Noah was born 1056 years from the creation of Adam and he died 950 years old, that would have him alive when Abram was born 1948 years from the creation of Adam and Noah lived 58 years after Abram was born, he saw 9 generations, wow. It seems incredible it was only 292 years from the flood when Abraham was born.

    Terah took Abram, Sarai, and Lot to Haran and when God called Abram to get out, Abram was only 75 years old. The earth was divided in the days of Peleg that would be between 1757 when he was born and 1996 from the creation of Adam when he died, makes you wonder who knew who, Shem was still living when Jacob was born, some say he was Melchizedek but I don't know about that.

    God bless you,

    RLW
  • GiGi - in Reply on Genesis 9
    Thank you for your reply. Some timelines have Noah alive for about 65 years during Abraham's life and some have him dying before. Shem, it seems, outlived Abraham into Jacob's day. Sad that the Word does not record more about this if there was significant interactions between Abraham and kin, and Shem and his kin. Perhaps Shem and his kin remained in the area around the ark, since Noah was a farmer, but some of his descendants migrated southward to Mesopotamia. I doubt that Shem lived in the area of Ur due to the idolatry of the Chaldeans, but perhaps he may have ventured to Haran.

    I do not think that Shem was Melchezideck due to what is said in Hebrews about shem having no descendency from parents, but hinted about His eternality. Be blessed by your studies of God's Word and through sincere discussions about matters in the text, like we are having. It is helpful.
  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply on Genesis 9
    GiGi,

    That about Melchizedek was something that popped in my head that I should have left in my head. I do not believe he was Shem either, some answers we may never have, but the ones that count are in abundance.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Gigi - in Reply on Genesis 9
    Appreciate your reply. I do wish we could have been given more information about Shem since he lived into Jacob's lifetime. I would have liked the Scriptures to tell us about his influence on his extensive family line to Abraham.
  • Rick - in Reply on Genesis 9
    Hi Ronald What I have read about melchisedec in the description what I see is God spoke priest into being and why not that's why he's God and that's why He knew who Abram was and who called Abram out.
  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply on Genesis 9
    Hi Rick,

    Thanks, I totally agree, I guess I could have left that out. Melchizedek is a subject we do not have enough biblical information to find the truth. He is in only three books Genesis 14, Psalms 110:4 and Hebrews 5 and 7. He's a mysterious figure being king of Salem or Shalem, that was known as Jebus, the city of Jebusites that David defeated and now is Jerusalem.

    The priest was called of God, as Aaron was, and all the priest to Israel were the Levitical priesthood, that was the order. We know Jesus was of the tribe of Judah, and Psalms 110:4 was fulfilled by Jesus. It is an interesting subject and there is more that could be discussed but where would it go. It will still end with questions unanswered.

    God bless, and have a great day.

    RLW
  • Rick - in Reply on Genesis 9
    Hi Ronald I view it spiritually we are talking about God so why couldn't he speak a priest into being, isn't this the God that brought down the walls of jericho with blowing trumpets,and made time stand still,and wiped out complete armies when Israel was on the ball and sent angels I.E. his messengers to intercede or give messages to people last but not least created life in a virgin to conceive and give birth to His only begotten son.
  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply on Genesis 9
    Hey Rick,

    Agree, we humans cannot even come close to comprehending the wisdom of God. As in Job 37:5 God thundereth marvellously with his voice; great things doeth he, which we cannot comprehend.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Genesis 9
    Brother Ronald, your right we don't have much information about Melchizedek.

    I believe from the information we do have we can determine Melchizedek was Christ, the beginning of creation, no beginning or end, the High Priest of creation THEN, and the High Priest of creation NOW.

    My thoughts only the Spirit can reveal.
  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply on Genesis 9
    Brother Earl,

    Melchizedek, you may be right, he may have been Jesus, I just have to say for me, I still have questions. Just like the three that came to Abraham when Sarah laughed and before the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, the two, we know they were angels but who was the third that stayed and bargained with Abraham? Melchizedek was also king of Salem, we know that was the land of Canaan descendants, were the Jebusites the ones Melchizedek was king over, he is a mystery for sure.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Genesis 9
    Brother Ronald, question are always good, that why we have the Holy Spirit.

    1 John 2:27

    Matthew 21:22



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