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Romans 7 KJV Bible discussions
 
  • Dr. Lyle Lee - in Reply on Psalms 110
    Hi Chris; When we speak of the Old Testament, also known as the Mosaic Law, it specifically contained laws such as unclean animals, clean animals, feast days, new moons and different sabbaths. All of these are found in the book of Leviticus, which is the book of the law. To comprehend what the scriptures teach a thorough study should be applied indeed from all books on that doctrine, One huge difference between the Old Testament and the old covenant, is that Moses wrote the Old Testament by hand, while God wrote with his finger the old covenant. Exodus 31:18 These are different, while the one is called the ceremonial law, the other is called the moral law, they are not the same thing, neither can we join them together as one law. While the Old Testament was destroyed by the Lord Jesus on Calvary Eph. 2:14-16 & Colossians 2:14-15 the old covenant was fulfilled by Christ and then expired Mat. 5:18 & Loke 16:16 after being expired it was then dead Romans 7:4 & Romans 7:6 Meaning they both had different beginnings, and different commandments, and a different endings. One is called a Testament but the other is called a covenant, these do not have the same meaning, you cannot bring them together as one. Today I preached from 11 Timothy 2:15 part of the sermon was rightly dividing the word of truth, we must divide the Old Testament from the old covenant, we must also divide the Old Testament from the New Testament, and the old covenant from the new covenant. Today the New Testament has 7 categories, 1. least commandments, 2. doctrines, 3. unconditional promises, 4. conditional promises, 5. prophecy, 6. faith without works and 7. faith with works. On the other hand the new covenant only has two greatest commandments, love God with all the heart, soul, mind and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself. This is why we must keep them separate, in order to rightly divide the word of truth, otherwise we do a great injustice to the truth of the word of God.
  • S Spencer - in Reply
    Part 5 of 6.

    Powerless Sanctification

    Now Paul shows inRomans 7that you and I cannot be obedient in our own strength. It is powerless sanctification. There are two great truths that come out of this. The first one is:

    For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) dwelleth no good thing....( Romans 7:18)

    You and I have nothing good in our flesh. The old nature can never do anything that is pleasing to God. The fact of the matter is, Paul says,

    Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither, indeed, can be.( Romans 8:7)

    You and I have an old nature - even if you are redeemed you have that old nature - and it will be with you until your dying day. That old nature is in rebellion against God. For instance, sometimes you don't want to hear the teaching of the Word of God, you just have to somehow bring yourself to it. It is amazing what that old nature can think of to rebel against God. It hates the Word of God; it doesn't love to pray. That old nature is in rebellion against Almighty God. Did you ever have those feelings?

    But if you are a believer, you have a new nature, and Paul says this concerning it:

    ...For to will is present with me, but how to perform that which is good I find not.( Romans 7:18)

    Paul found out that there was no good in his old nature and that there was no power in his new nature.
  • Alex N
    At Horeb Moses married Israel to the law....When he had anointed both the ppl and the law ( the book ) with blood he said this is what God has enjoined unto you....it was a marriage between Israel and the law.....But in Romans 7 : 4 ....Paul is saying that you are dead to the law by the body of Christ,....That you should be married to ANOTHER even to him that was raised from the dead that you should bring forth fruit unto God....Which is the H.G. the Child of PROMISE....Which is that baptism of Promise...The H.G......The new Covenant in his blood etc....When God spoke of that new covenant in Jeremiah 31 : 31....He says i will put my Words in their hearts ....And Jesus said i will sow my seed ( his words ) in their hearts etc...Thus this new covenant is a birthing covenant.....Being bornagain of an incorruptible seed etc....Thus the birth of the H.G. IN HUMANITY is that new covenant ....That Woman in Rev 12 is a perfect picture of US humanity being bornagain of an incorrruptible seed etc...Thus she is result of the sower and his seed...That new covenant..... Rev. 12 : 10 Now is come salvation and the Kingdom of God and the power of his Christ...( Her child ) .....Remember Jesus said unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child....meaning a heavenly Birth...You will in no wise enter there in....Who has heard such a thing, Who has seen such a thing....As soon as Zion travails she has brought forth her Children....Which are the Children of the KiNGDOM that are gonna be born in US VIA his seeds .....The opening of the book are gonna result in a mass pregnancy...As Jeremiah saw all the world in travail and birth pains....For the ISRAEL OF God.....His seed...GBU
  • Dr. Lyle Lee - in Reply on Psalms 110
    Hi Rod; When speaking about the law being destroyed, I am talking about the Old Testament, which is also called the Mosaic Law. It was this law that was destroyed by the Lord Jesus Christ on Calvary according to the wisdom of the Apostle Paul in Ephesians 2:14-16 and Colossians 2:14-15 Knowing as Christians if we obey one of those laws we are cursed to obey them all. Galatians 3:10 which is a quotation from Deut. 27:26 Now in your argument you thought I was speaking about the Ten Commandments in stone according to Matthew 5:17-18 This is referred unto in scripture as the old covenant, as in Deut. 5:2-3 and Hebrews 9:4 These are two different laws, the one O.T. is the law of Moses, while the other one, old covenant, is the Law of the Lord, or Law of God, or moral law. These are not the same, although they share the same name as the word law, but have two distinct different meanings. While the Old testament was created by angels, as in Acts 7:53 and Galatians 3:19 knowing the word disposition and ordained share a similar meaning, to set in order or create, yet the Ten Commandments in stone, was written by the finger of God. Now this law had an expiry date, Christ did not come to destroy this law, but to fulfil this law, but once it was fulfilled it was then dead, as In Matthew 5:18 - Luke 16:16 - Romans 7:6-7 If you read carefully those scriptures I have mentioned, and need be, pray over them, you should come to the understanding of the Apostle Paul on this matter as he fought against obeying these two things in many of his epistles, as he was against Christians obeying the Old Testament and the old covenant. Because you mentioned the least commandments in Matthew 5:19 I would like to say, these twelve hundred commandments found in the gospels and epistles, are all to be considered the least commandments, while only the two greatest commandments on how to love God, and how to love your neighbor need interpretation by these least commandments of how this is done
  • Gigi - in Reply
    Rick

    In Romans 7 I believe Paul is referring to the "flesh" and "carnal" he us talking about the sinful nature. And this sinful nature affects all of our being as you said.

    But in Romans 7:11-12

    Says "But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through. The Spirit who dwells in you.

    And 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 says: "Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you have been bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your Spirit, which

    Are God's.

    So, as a believer, our whole person has been changed, redeemed and the Spirit in us allows our body, mind, and soul to be honorable and sanctified. So because our bodies are God's temple, it is now holy, as is our mind and soul. The sinful nature still wars against our whole being, but the Spirit dwells in us and empowers us to put the sinful nature to death, not our bodies.

    So, in light of these Scriptures, I cannot think of my physical body, mind or soul as evil or worthless because Jesus has redeemed all of me.
  • Rick Mentzer - in Reply
    Gigi Before we were born again my bible says we were dead useless in trespasses and sins without God and without

    hope Ephesians not gnostics and I do know what they stated. The scripture says we have been made alive by the

    spirit that is not to say that our bodies are worth nothing now but before born again all out works were useless was what I was saying. What do you think the scripture says in Romans 7 is about, the battle between the new spiritual man and

    the natural man of the 5 senses that was run by the world which is run by whom? That's what Paul was explaining to the corinthians we are saved by grace are you going to go back and now do works of the flesh lie cheat steal etc. Those are actions of the flesh that the old man nature was geared to do. So prayerfully that explains it.
  • Rick Mentzer
    Our deliverance from Sin

    In Gods eyes by Jesus Christ sin have been beaten, the challenge is believing and standing in that. I

    do not since I was born again think of myself as a sinner. Some are going your kidding, I'll explain, when

    we confessed our sins and made jesus Christ lord and Saviour our sins were forgiven paid for period or else our

    Saviour didn't complete His Ministry and we Know absolutely He did. Therefore we who believe in Gods eyes are

    SAINTS set apart by God from the darkness of this world that's what it says. This is what was accomplished by

    our lord and Saviour when we confessed our sins and committed in our hearts that indeed God raised him from

    dead hence spiritual new birth. Does that mean we got an instant new brain, or new body or instant new thought

    patterns, absolutely not we started by changing our lifestyles to what the scripture said to stop doing or to sin..

    Did we do this perfectly instantly nope why Romans 7:14-25 we are always at war with our old man nature,

    anger, negative thoughts, fear, frustration and more none of which are walking by the spirit. My point in sharing

    this is the only man that ever did and will walk perfectly with God was Jesus Christ. We will all until we are

    gathered together miss the mark in some category but we can always go to father and receive forgiveness.

    Not saying this as an excuse not to do our utmost for His highest because the wages of sin is still death.

    Thank God he looks at me as perfect spiritually he already knew my flesh was junk and needed help. Thank

    God we will be delivered eventually from this dead body and put on a body like His.
  • Chris - in Reply on Psalms 110
    Hello Dr. Lee. I've been following this thread with interest, as I have in my earlier comments in past months, referred to the abrogation of the Law by the coming of Christ & by His Sacrifice; that 'the letter of the Law kills but the Spirit gives life'. Therefore, any appeal to the Decalogue, however unchanged its moral & spiritual requirements might be ( Romans 7:12), would only show that we're subjecting ourselves to a Law, given to Israel, for the purposes of pointing them to their failure to fully keep it & their resulting deserved punishment. I even think of Luke 18:18-25, where the rich ruler followed the letter of the Law perfectly, yet was found lacking because he broke the very first commandment (wealth was also his god).

    Yet I noticed in this thread, your clear separation of the Old Covenant (specifically, the Mosaic) & the Old Testament. I must confess that I too gave little consideration to this, believing that the Old Testament was important for its historical & many worthy Truths that we can learn from & be encouraged in the knowledge of God. But I understand from your comments, that the Old Testament (the Torah, the Prophets, & the Writings) have been "destroyed & not replaced". Could you enlarge on this aspect, as I'm wondering if all has been destroyed, what about the prophetical aspects that are yet to be fulfilled (some at Christ's coming, others still in the future)? I ask this, because I would hesitate in making such a bold statement to someone given the many worthy Truths still embedded in the OT, & though much of it fulfilled in the New, should we now totally disregard the Old? I use both the OT & NT with confidence for its Truth & applicability (when rightly divided). I would balk if someone taught me to disregard the OT altogether. Maybe that's not what you mean - just seeking clarification, thank you.
  • Dr. Lyle Lee on Matthew 5
    I will comment on versus 17-19

    The Lord Jesus said he did not come to destroy the Law of God, meaning the Ten Commandments in stone, rather he taught he came to fulfill that law, knowing it would expire as soon as he fulfilled it. :18 Apparently by the time that John the Baptist started his ministry, the Lord Jesus Christ had fulfilled the law, therefore it was now expired. Luke 16:16 According to the Apostle Paul, Christians have died unto that Law of God, Romans 7:4 knowing all Christians are delivered from the Ten Commandments in stone. Romans 7:6-7 that being dead to us. Then does the Lord Jesus speak of the least commandments in :19 When reading Mark 12:29-31 the Lord Jesus calls the Ten Commandments written the the heart, the greatest commandments, therefore, all other commandments found in the New Testament are the least commandments. I have studied the entire New Testament and discovered about twelve hundred commandments were given in seventeen different categories. All of these commandments are known as the least commandments. For Christians to become great in the kingdom of God today, they must practice the least commandments and teach others the least commandments also, as these two things are required in conditional promises, if someone desires to become great in God's kingdom.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Deuteronomy 25
    Amen!

    Thanks Brother Rick.

    If we come across anything that adds to the finish work of Christ we have to revisit the viewpoint. By the means of the law we failed miserably!! Paul said in Romans 7:14. For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

    The issue is the incurable heart!!

    With this heart the nature is disobedience,

    Therefore obedience is internal expressed outwardly!!
  • S Spencer on Mathew 3:10-11. - in Reply on Deuteronomy 25
    Hi

    Mathew 3:10-11.

    I would like to add one or two more things that I believe is to be very important. Whether by water baptism or baptism by the Holyspirit, is it evident in your life that spiritual baptism has taken place.

    You will run into 2 major groups engage on this topic. One group is those who believe you are saved by confessing Jesus and keeping the commandments. Some of this group believe you can lose your salvation. This group is bond to a work base religion.

    The other group believes "for by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

    Even the faith you are being saved through is not your faith! it is a gift of God!

    You have nothing to offer God in terms of salvation! I hold this view.

    True baptism when you "GENUINELY" accept Christ as your savior there is production in your life that begins. You can't produce it or keep it from producing as you feed on the word.

    I will share a few by verses below and hopefully others can expand on them or add to.

    Notice Paul' he didn't have much to say about water baptism, but he had a lot to say about baptism by the Holyspirit.

    Romans 6:4.

    Romans 6:6-8.

    Romans 6:11.

    It does well to study all of Romans 6 to expand a little on "the production' of spiritual baptism.

    JOHNS BAPTISM.

    you can see a picture of this transition for the Jews drawn out for you by Paul in Romans 7:1-2. Read all.

    Now read Mathew 3:10-11.

    Israel was a natural branch that didn't bear fruit. Jeremiah 2:21. "Nor could it"

    Also read Mathew 21:42-44. and John 15:1-7.

    Now let's get back to our 2 groups.

    You have the 1st group I mentioned that put themselves in bondage as did Israel and despising the truth.

    believing in baptism outwardly but unbaptized inwardly.

    EXAMPLE: Romans 2:25-29.

    The 2nd group

    Philippians 3:3.

    Galatians 3:13.

    John 8:36.

    The outcome.

    1John 2:3.

    1 John 4:21.

    This Love cannot be produced by self.

    God bless.
  • Our Wills and Gods Will
    God is at work within our human wills to see Him, and follow Him. He does not "over-ride" our wills. He always says, "Choose This Day"

    Philippians 2:13

    For IT IS GOD which worketh in you both to WILL and to DO of his good pleasure.

    Romans 7:18

    For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

    2 Corinthians 8:11

    Now therefore perform the doing of it; that as there was a readiness to will, so there may be a performance also out of that which ye have.

    Think on these things.
  • Dr. Lyle Lee - in Reply on Galatians 4
    Hi Rick; by your response you have led me to believe you think as Christians we should practice the Ten Commandments in stone, this of course would be bondage, as Christians are now commanded to obey the Ten Commandments in the heart according to Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:6-13 This old law of God had an expiry date according to the Lord Jesus who taught it would expire as soon as he fulfilled it. Matthew 5:18 The question should be asked, when did he fulfill it? The answer is then given in Luke 16:16 by the time of John the Baptist, as it would expire at that time. Today the Ten Commandments in stone is dead. Romans 7:4 and 7:6-7 We are now commanded to keep the new covenant which is the Ten Commandments written in the heart where there is no Sabbath or generational curses.
  • David - in Reply on Jeremiah 1
    Hi Charles Don't dwell on this but no, if that could be done by our own works than logically there would not

    be the need for our saviour, our very nature that we are born with is antagonistic against God. Even after

    being born again we still fight a corrupt natural body which is worked by the five senses! Romans 7:15-25
  • Chris - in Reply on Hebrews 4
    Hi Tony. You may be referring to Exodus 31:12-17. This Law was given to Israel in line with Day 7 of the Days of Creation - the Day that God "rested (or, ceased) from all His work" ( Genesis 2:3). The Law, which included the keeping of the seventh day (the Sabbath), & circumcision, were the signs that made God's people a special, chosen people, unlike any other nation on Earth. As God ceased from His Work of creation, so He required His people (Israel) to set a specific day each week to also rest from their labours. And the fact that God sanctified the day (i.e. He set it apart as a special day), meant that Israel should engage themselves with other things other than going through the rigors of daily toil. So, it was a day of physical rest & also a day when their minds could re-focus on their Creator & learning more about Him.

    Israel today still keep the Sabbath as required of them. But those of Judaism who have come out, finding new life & liberty in Jesus Christ & led of the Spirit are no longer under the Law ( Galatians 5:18), just as the Gentiles who are "without the Law" ( 1 Corinthians 9:21), are not required to be bound to it - to a Law that only showed man his sin & his incapability to fully obey it ( Romans 7:7 ff).

    Both Jew & Gentile still need a rest day from hard toil - for the Jew, the seventh day was appointed. For the Christian, any day could be a day of physical rest. For the Jew, he went to the Temple or Synagogue on the Sabbath to worship God - for the Christian, he can worship God on any day he chooses. The early Church met on the first day of the week to worship ( Acts 20:7), fellowship & break bread together, remembering the Lord Who gave His Life for them & rose from the grave on the first day of the week. So, there is no commandment to break; the Sabbath for worship together does not apply to the Christian - some worship on a Friday, Saturday or Sunday - maybe even other days. But if Sabbath is forced upon Christians, then we have a problem.
  • Alex N
    Lemme give ya my view on luke 17 : 34 kjv The 2 woman are really 1 woman that has given birth a baby Christ the wheat. As the wheat will be gathered to his barn the Kingdom But her other spirit is the tare that is gona be burned up in his furnace of fire . REMEMBER Jesus said let them grow TOGETHER till the harvest thus the Woman is 2 grinding at the MILL.

    And likewise the 2 men in one bed is really just 1 man that has birth Christ in his heart but satan has given him another person with in him a tare thus he is really 2 persons . The wheat is a baby Christ a lil one unless ya receive the Kingdom as a lil Child etc. The tare is given to satan to be burnt to ashes as our God is a consuming fire . But his other spirit is the H.G. that goes to the Kingdom . Remember Paul said i see another Law in my members waring against me which is the tare that wars against us thus we are 2 . Romans 7
  • GiGi - in Reply
    Hi, Mishael,

    I think that Romans 7 is referring to Paul's struggles as a believer. When we come to Christ and are remade in Christ we do become more acutely aware of our sinfulness and the impact of our sinful nature on us daily. Paul, before conversion thought of himself as righteous according to the law. His conscience did not bother him too much. But now, as a Christian believer, his conscience, being made aright by the Spirit, is bringing to light what Jesus meant when he elevated the commandments (if you are angry with your brother, you commit murder, etc..) Paul was being sifted by the Holy Spirit, showing him areas were unknown sin is manifested in his life. As one who really loved what is good and right, it was very grievous for Paul to face these sins (habits of the mind, attitudes, sins of omission) that didn't bother him before conversion. God was calling him to a higher righteousness than that of the Pharisees (which he was as a Jew) Wanting to be victorious over all sin in his life, he realized e could not and then turns his attention and hope to Jesus, proclaiming that Jesus alone can rescue him from sin and death. Praise God! This is true for us, too.
  • We are not under Condemnation - in Reply
    ROMANS 7 (the "I" chapter).count how many times Paul said "I". He was really stressing about the flesh

    "23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

    24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

    25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

    ROMANS 8:1 [ THE GOOD NEWS]

    1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

    2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

    When Paul arrived at Romans 8:1 he discovered victory in and through, Jesus; by the indwelling Holy Spirit. Happiness through reverence is wonderful.

    Mishael
  • Alex N
    When Jesus was asking the Samaritian Woman at the well for drink he said whosoever drinks of this water shall thirst again ( salvation by water baptism only ) but the water that i shall give him shall be a well of water springing up unto everlasting life which is H.G. BAPTISM The GIFT OF God That Child of PROMISE God is spirit and them that worship him must worship him in spirit and Truth ( the Gift of the H.G. ) This speak he of the Spirit for the H.G was NOT yet given b/c that Jesus was not yet Glorified. Thats y John said i have need to be baptised of you. He must increase but i must decrease.....Water BAPTISM HAD TO DECREASE BUT H.G BAPTISM WILL INCREASE As God is gonna pour out his spirit on ALL flesh . If I be lifted up i will draw ALL men unto me . In ADAM we ALL die but in Christ that 2 nd Adam we will ALL LIVE. He is gonna KNOW everbody thats y Isaiah is saying Knowledge is gonna cover the earth as the waters cover the seas,....THIS KNOWLEDGE IS GONA RESULT IN an intimacy a BIRTH OF CHRIST IN EVERYBODY. As the new covenant is a birthing covenant. Behold the Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the whole world as God so loved the world. It want be long and you will see bumber stickers saying i am with Child of the H.G. (AFTER THE BOOK IS OPENED. GBU. Jeremiah saw the whole world in travail and and birth pains, Fact 27 times in the O.T. THE PROPHETS SAW THE WORLD IN TRAVAIL AND BIRTH PAINS. Thats y he always refered to himself as the SON OF MAN. Which is mankinds fruit unto God a baby CHRIST. ROMANS 7 : 4 KJV
  • S Spencer
    Hi Dan.

    Would you say plain people is one without the Holyspirit? if he has the Holyspirit he's not plain!! He has a helper and a truth revealer.

    1 Corinthians 2:12-14. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

    Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

    But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. The Carnal mind can't understand what is written literal.

    Here's The commandment Christ is speaking of-

    John 15:12. This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

    And this is not done by you, It is the Holyspirit that causes you to Love by virtue. This is a fruit. You can't produce fruit, You bare it by being connected to the vine. The Law could never Change the inner Man. Fruitl is interior!

    Here's the concept. Matthew 23:25-26. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

    Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

    Jesus is not talking about the Law because noone has been able to keep the law if so there was no need of a mercy seat that pointed to Christ.

    The law was given to Israel and there was no tolerance in keeping it. It was the ministry of condemnation. If you break one you broken them all and if you do it once you're forever lost if you're not covered by the Lambs blood.

    Colossians 2:13-14.

    Romans 7:10.

    Romans 7:11.

    Romans 7:12.

    The first sabbath that was broken when the law was given a couple was stoned to death for gathering sticks.

    As plain as it gets.

    God bless.
  • Alex N
    Plz lemme give ya my slant on why Jesus always refered to himself as the Son of Man , 88 Times Jesus refered to himself as the Son of Man, Simply b/c mankind has to be bornagain of an incorruptible seed which is the seed of Christ That living WORD . Romans 7 : 4 Paul tells us that we must be married to Christ and bring forth fruit unto God which is the H.G. the Child of Promise ,This fruit unto God is a baby Christ which is the Child of PROMISE THE H.G. Unless ya receive the Kingdom of GOD as lil Child you will in no wise enter there in. The H.G is his offspring that is born in us via his seed and he said whosoever receiveth one SUCH CHILD IN MY NAME RECEIVETH ME . Thus he is truly the Son of Man , Manskinds fruit unto God. Thou shall suck dry the breasts of the Gentiles, Even the Gentiles are gonna birth a baby Christ mankinds fruit unto God . Kings shall be your nursing fathers and Queens shall be your nursing mothers impling that men and woman are gonna birth a baby Christ The son of man. Thats what the new birth is all about that great Promise that Christ Jesus wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven which requires that we wd birth a baby Christ the Child of PROMISE . When he breathe on them they were impregnated by his seed ,his breath was his word which is his seed ,B/c I have spoken these words sorrows has filled your hearts ,When a woman is in travail she has sorrows But after the Child comes which is a Baby Christ. The son of man The H.G.that Child of PROMISE , her sorrows are turned into Joy. Our new Birth . She brought forth a manchild which is a Baby Christ, Mankinds fruit unto God. Thats y he always refered to himself as the SON OF MAN
  • Free - in Reply on 1 Corinthians 1
    authority, Is a long distance from speak or tell or pray or smile or sing or make coffee, or do any woman work like give birth and life to this earth!

    Cant see that have a meaning here.

    We are all the same and stand in same position in front of God. But for husbands Romans 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. She is indeed!

    And who have the real authority Jesus Lives and have! That evan over a man. please dont be foolish. The meaning is too hold a standard in the meatings and in society. example: If all talk in the same time no one will hear anything.

    Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

    Diddnt u know?

    Love u all in Christ Jesus
  • Mishael - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    You do as Jesus told Nicodemas in John 3; be born again and receive Jesus as your Savior and Lord.

    There is a link on this website named

    "Become a Christian". It's right where you clicked to enter this room.

    It tells you step by step and even has a prayer you can pray. You receive salvation by the words of your mouth. Jesus will send The Holy Spirit to you. He teaches you everything you need to know about Jesus.

    Everybody in this room will become your brothers and sisters in Christ. We'll try to answer all your questions with the love of Christ.

    It's such a grand thing to buy your first Bible and write your name in it. Revelation 22:7 Your name is written down in the Book of Life.

    From my experience it's easier if you'll find a church that teaches Bible and not philosophy. You can ask the Holy Spirit anything.

    Start reading in Matthew and head towards the back of the Bible. I love Romans 7 because Paul asked himself all the questions I was mulling over too :D

    Welcome to Gods family!
  • Alex N
    Jesus says that Spirits can be born in us via his seed the Word which is a Godly Seed. Conception comes by hearing his voice that living Word the good seed thus the Child is Spirit the H.G.in essence Jesus wants to multiply himself ( his spirit, God) in humanity as humanity is the field where that good seed is gonna be sown the World. That was the great Promise that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven and that will be accomplished by his death and ressurrrection. Smite the sheppard and the sheep will be scattered then i will turn my hand to the lil ones which are Baby Christ the Children of Promise , the babes and sucklings is our new innerman has to be born in us via his seed the words of the new covenant th book in the Fathers right hand. I will turn my hand to the lil ones thats y she birth a lil one a Baby Christ ( a baby spirit ) the Granson an ISRAEL OF GOD which is our new birth . My lil children of whom i travail in birth Again till Christ is formed in you, Thats y he has to know us. Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil child you will in no wise enter there in impling a birth of Christ in us which is the HG that child of Promise The Israel of God a heavenly Jacob that is coming in the last days Isaiah 49. Remember NATURAL JACOB WAS THE GRANSON, THE 3 RD PERSON IN THE ABRAHAMIC TRINITY. THUS THERE CANNOT BE AN ISRAEL OF GOD WITHOUT THIS 3 RD PERSON That heavenly Jacob the GRANSON. Thats y he tells Moses that his name was Abraham Issac and Jacob simply b/c there ii gona be an ISRAEL OF GOD that is gona be as the stars of heaven born in us sinners via his seed. Thats y he always refers to himself as the SON OF MAN simply b/c mankind is gona bring forth fruit unto God via that good seed as Romans 7:4 says which is the H.G. the Children of Promise. I wish God wd baptise this whole world in the NAME OF THE FATHER SON AND THE GRANSON. Unless ya receive the Kingdom as a lil Child that heavenly Birth.
  • Messenger - in Reply
    Hello, "James Bedsworth"

    Romans 7
  • JESUS GIVES US VICTORY__mishael - in Reply
    It's in Romans 7. Known as the "I" chapter. In Romans 8, victory over his dilemma.

    15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

    16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

    17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

    18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

    19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

    20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
  • Alex N
    When ya think about the law think about David and Bathsheba and Uriah a love triangle, The early Church was still married to the LAW but she had a relationship with Christ and birth a Child but the Child ( Christianity ) was sick and died in its infancy, The 1st Child died. Romans 7: 4 Thats y Paul is saying you are dead to the law ( Uriah ) by the body of Christ (DAVID) that you should be married to another even to him that was raised from the dead,That you shall bring forth fruit unto God which is the H.G The CHILD OF PROMISE, . At Horeb Moses married all ISRAEL to the law. And the LAW was still their husband Thats y Paul said you are dead to the Law by the body of Christ, that you should bemarried to another even to him that was raised from the dead. David put away Uriah as Christ put away the law . Bathsheba was barren under Uriah as Israel was barren under the Law, but became fruitful under David. But the 1st Child died .My lil children of whom i travail in birth AGAIN AGAIN till Christ be formed in you WHICH IS THE WOMAN IN REV 12. tHEN THE kINGDOM COMES. UNLESS YA RECEIVE THE KINGDOM AS A LIL CHILD ETC. Solomon saw the 2 nd Child that shall stand up in his stead and there is no end to the ppl that he shall be king over which is the manchild that is gonna be born in us.That Woman in Rev 12 is giving birth to the 2 nd Child,The H.G the Kingdom Child . The Kingdom did not come under the 1st Child ( Christianity ) the early Church. But the Kingdom comes under the 2 nd Child. Rev 12 now is come salvation and the Kingdom of our GOD ETC Rev 12 : 10. But to love God with all our hearts and our neighbor as our selves is the very essence of God. which is the righteousness of the law.
  • Chris - in Reply
    Great Scriptures, brother S. Spencer. Indeed, the NT is replete with verses revealing to us that the Jewish believers "are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter." ( Romans 7:6).

    It is my perception, that many of us have been tutored from a young age to memorize the 10 Commandments & to endeavour to live by them. But when those of 'strong meat-eating' age arrive at the Scriptures, & bring all of it together to properly understand this subject, we still tend to hang on to the first oracles, somehow syncretizing them with the new. And this cannot work as brother Earl gave a good example in Luke chapter 5, where the workings of Grace through Faith is totally incompatible to that of the Law, which could only reveal the extent of our sin, condemn us & ultimately slay us. Our inner ear must always be inclined to the Holy Spirit within, revealing all that God requires of us to live lives that are wholly pleasing to Him. Thank you brother for those thoughts.
  • Chris - in Reply
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    Brother Dan, I have not responded to this particular post from you, as I believe my other comment to you answers your questions: "What is your definition of strict obedience of the law? Is trying our best to adhere to God's 10 commandments too strict?"

    If we make any appeal to the Ten Commandments for righteous living, then the Cross of Christ will have no effect to the earnest soul. As the apostle wrote, "For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good." ( Romans 7:11,12).

    What is this Commandment that he speaks of? All the Law that God had brought forth to His people, which included the Decalogue. What was the purpose of those Holy Laws? Romans 7:13: "Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful".

    God's Laws not only revealed to Israel what He required of them, but that they might learn how sinful they can be & how their inability to obey the Law can separate them from a Holy God. As the apostle stated, that Law brought the prospect of death to him, finally slaying him. But only in Christ he could find release & the ability to obey God correctly.
  • Messenger - in Reply
    Romans 5:12 Wherefore (as a result), as by one man sin entered into the world ( Genesis 3), and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

    Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God

    all man (woman, children) on this earth are sinners . Jehovah ( Psalm 83:18) is not looking for perfection.

    he's looking for *grief (repentance) and repentance from within ( Ps. 51:4). that inner thought and mind.

    that inner regret and groaning because of bad . but what if a person keep sinning willingly? Hebrews 10:26; 1 Corinthians 6:9,10

    however, what can be done to run in a way that doesn't cause

    a big stumble or fall with self or others?

    Psalm 1:1-3; 2 Timothy 3:16,17 study and correct

    Luke 22:40 prayer

    1Corinthians 15:33 Abandon anything that is influencing bad behavior.( Proverbs 13:20)

    *Example of major sin:

    2Samuel 12:1-18; Ps. 51:4

    I hope this helps. there is more... but don't want to

    overwhelm. ( Romans 7:14-25)


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