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  • Bennymkje - 7 months ago
    Ge.2:20 Name Day

    "And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; "

    In Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches there is name day in which the feast day of a day after whom a person is named. It is a tradition. In accordance with the abstract, God blessed His creation as had indeed in his Son. So God duly brought Adam His creation and whatever names he called them, that were accepted. They were His associates so when the Word of God exhorts him,"Go to the ant, thou sluggard; Consider her ways, and be wise: Which having no guide, Overseer, or ruler, Provideth her meat in the summer, And gathereth her food in the harvest."(Pr.6:6-8) it is his spiritual space and it is addressed to his spirit. Instead if man wants to heap us riches as with the Parable of the Rich Fool what spirit is he laboring under? Is it not an unclean spirit wrecking the spirit that calls for sobreity and godly living? Similarly spirit of times clamors for incendiary rhetoric and actions against 'deep state' without an iota of evidence. Does it have to invade your sovereign spiritual space where you are only accountable to God. The Parable of Jesus is very relevant in our times.

    " When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none./Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished./ Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell therre: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation." (Matt.12:43-45)

    The spiritual space without being anchored on truth precisely shows in the wicked generation. It is no-brainer what ails our world. "Be ye separate!" exhorts the Spirit. "What concord has Christ with Belial?" Are we to behave as fools as they?
  • Oseas - In Reply - 7 months ago
    "Bennymkje"

    Yes, as JESUS revealed,"when unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places seeking rest". The dry places where the unclean spirit walks are the men made by the dust in the belly of the Serpent( John 8:44-45), and are without the Spirit of GOD, without the Spirit of Christ, as was Israel, the clay, the dry land. The unclean spirit finds none among them which were born again from GOD and really remain in the body of Christ. 1John 5:18-19->18 We know that whosoever is born of GOD sinneth not; but he that is begotten of GOD keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. 19 And we know that we are of GOD, and the WHOLE WORLD lieth in wickedness.(Because they live in the belly of the Serpent,and only within them the unclean spirit finds rest.)

    The unclean spirit saith: I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished./ Then goeth the unclean spirit, and taketh with himself (7) seven other spirits more wicked than himself,

    1Peter 5:8-9

    8 Be sober,be vigilant;because your adversary the Devil(the old Serpent),as a roaring lion,WALKETH about, seeking whom he may devour. 9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

    Job 1:6-There was a Day when the sons of GOD came to present themselves before the Lord,and Satan(the Old Serpent)came also among them.(By the way,we are entering the Day of the Lord,the last millennium)

    Reevelation 11:15-18

    15 - The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

    ...

    The battle is against three unclean spirits like frogs: Revelation 16:13-15

    13 I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon,and out of the mouth of the beast,and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

    14 They are the spirits of devils, working miracles...

    15 Behold, I come as a thief. ...
  • Bennymkje - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Dear Bro.Oseas,

    Isn't it amazing how the Spirit drawms entire narrative to one centre of gravity that is the Son? He does so by certain principles after a similitude. Of Moses what does God speak, "and the similitude of the Lord shall he behold:" Principle of Similitude explains the basis of comparing the like with like; So the heaven is compared with the earth. The world of the Spirit in his Son has a similitude, consequently we speak of Moses as a double for Jesus. But to confuse the role of servant Moses with that of Jesus Christ as the Son over all his shall lead a believer to confusion. The Spirit has thus provided signposts all along and it is solely for perfection in his Son. "the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

    "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:/That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." Faith and good works are in the Son and not by dragging Law of Moses in between. Besides there is no greater or lesser in Trinity. Office of the Holy Spirit is to organize the Word, time of fulfillment and letting all glory to the Son.

    If we follow the Spirit for doctrine for reproof and for correction we shall be indeed instructed in righteousness. Faith with which we were led and good works that produces are not apart but the fruit of the Spirit.
  • Oseas - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Thank you for your reply, dear Bro. Bennymkje

    I see that according to the your theory, the """Principle of Similitude explains the basis of comparing the like with like; So the heaven is compared with the earth."""

    Along the same line as your theory above or interpretation saying "the heaven is compared with the earth" by the Principle of Similitude,

    so I took your example to compare the Similitude between the Son of GOD and the angel who was sent by Him to the isle of Patmos- Revelation 1:1-Revelation of JESUS Christ, which GOD gave unto Him, to shew unto His servants things which must shortly come to pass; and He sent and signified it by His ANGEL unto His servant John. (Different of the translation, In my vision an Archangel). But what is the Similitude between the Son of GOD and the archangel sent by JESUS to speak with John?

    Here goes the Similitude: Revelation 1:13-16. (By the way, JESUS was in heaven when He sent the archangel to meet John , He was sitting on the right hand of the Father).



    Verse 13 - And in the midst of the seven candlesticks (7 Churches of Asia) one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

    14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

    15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

    16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged Sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

    Revelation 22:8-9

    8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.

    9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship GOD.

    Surely He is our fellowservant. Praise our GOD.

    Blessings
  • Bennymkje - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Bro. Oseas,

    There is one more point with regards to the nature of angels: measurement of the holy city of God where Jesus Christ as the Head gives every believer called to be a saint the same measurement. "And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel."(Re.21:17) God hates unequal weights, is it not? "

    Divers weights are an abomination unto the LORD"(Pr.20:23)
  • Oseas - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Bennymkje

    The most important thing is what JESUS said: Luke 20:35-36

    35 But they which shall be accounted WORTHY to obtain that world (next world-the Kingdom of GOD- Revelation 11:15-18, among other biblical references), and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

    36 Neither can they die any more: for they are EQUAL unto the ANGELS; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

    Revelation 5:10

    10 And hast made us unto our GOD kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

    Matthew 5:5

    5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

    Act 1:9-11

    9 And when JESUS had spoken these things, while they beheld, He was taken up; and a CLOUD received Him out of their sight. ( Matthew 17:5-5 While JESUS yet spake, behold, a bright CLOUD overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

    10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

    11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same JESUS, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
  • Bennymkje - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Bro.Oseas

    First your question of the angel whom Jesus Christ semt 'and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John'(Re.1:1) The angel reveals himself, " I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things./ Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book."(Re.22:8-9) 'fellowservant' and 'brethren' Again we have "And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." (Re.19:10) Those who have the testimony of Jesus. They are the saints called before the worlds began. They are the cloud of witnesses ('Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses'-He.12:1) We see them as St Stephen saw(Ac.7:56) or St Peter (Ac.10:11) and our heart is not anatomical part but carries a spiritual space. Daniel saw in the night vision, "thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him." (Dan.7:10) This is a great congregation that Psalm 40:10 refers to. On account of this what we whisper in our bedchamber is like shouting from the roof tops. Nothing is hidden.

    Secondly regarding principle of Similitude He.11:3 The unseen world (of the will of the Father- the heaven) with the visible earth (seen the word become flesh-the Son)The Lord's prayer.Matt.6:10 ('Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.') Principle of Association is about the gospel. (Matt.10:40; Luke 10:16) Thirdly Ministry of Reconciliation. All 'theory" or suppositions must be backed by the word of God. Hope this makes clear.
  • Oseas - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Bennymkje

    It seems that you did not understand that GOD gave the sealed book of Revelation unto JESUS,and JESUS called an angel(different of the translation,in fact an Archangel,as an ambassador of the Lord),and delivered the message unto Him to reveal the content of the book to the apostle John who was in Patmos because of the Word of GOD,and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

    Being on Patmos,the archangel presents himself to John being behind Him as recommended by the Word( Isaiah 30:21),not in front,in front only JESUS must be,do you understand?And John heard behind him a great voice, as of a trumpet, so John turned to see the voice that spake with him, and being turned he saw seven golden candlesticks (the 7 Churches of Asia, whose spiritual conditions reflect the spiritual conditions of the Churches in this current time of the END, time of Apocalipse, by the way reflect a very terrible condition);

    John saw in the midst of the seven candlesticks ONE LIKE UNTO THE SON OF MAN. How was him? Revelation 1:13-16:

    13 He presents himself "clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle".(This picture or scenary remembers Joseph in Egypt- Exodus 41:38-45)

    14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

    15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

    16 And he had in his right hand seven stars:and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged Sword:and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.(By the way, he was also with Joshua in the Old Testament- Joshua 5:13-15)

    Paul Apostle spoke about him in 1Thes.4:16 and 1Cor.15:51-52.Take a look.

    JESUS warned:At midnight there was a cry made,Behold, the bridegroom cometh;go ye out TO MEET him-Mat.25:6.Who's going?

    See,IT'S NOT ENOUGH to just have lamp-the Word of GOD-a lamp for the feet-Ps.119:105;It's necessary also to have oil,otherwise the lamp will go out.
  • Bennymkje - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Compare Dan.7 especially vv.10-14 with Re.5. I have to conserve my energy whatever left of it for needful things and it is not to give you understanding, Holy Spirit is the best tutor, and I can only explain my understanding on the basis of the Bible Study. You seem to approach literally while I have another approach to the Bible. Sorry if I am not inclined to draw in another round. it shall be wasting my effort. Ask God to enlighten your understanding as He did with mine. So leave it that brother.
  • Oseas - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Bennymkje

    You said that my posts "seem to approach literally while you have another approach to the Bible", actually my posts/messages reflect a spiritual interpretation of the Holy Scriptures, in fact the Holy Spirit is my Preceptor, Tutor as you said, but it seems you do not discern what is spiritual, it's due to lack of the gift of discernment, thus you know only and only what is literal, like the killers of souls, the letter kills, only the Spirit gives life. The believers know that the Word is Spirit, the Word is GOD, self-executing.

    Having read the circumlocution of your replyes, or mere verbiage, I would say opinions is good for nothing, what matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, self-executing, understand? John1:1. Your thinking is from a human perspective, a stumblingblock, not from GOD's perspective. Your interpretations of the Word of GOD differ not of the interpreter of Genesis 3:1. The one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth, the one who comes from above is above all- John 3:31.

    Revelation 20:2-3 explains:

    The dragon will be laid hold, and bound/chained, and cast into the bottomless pit, he will be threw into the Abyss (in this current millennium), and he will be shut up, a seal will be set on/over him in this current millennium, seventh and last millennium, that he should deceive the nations no more.

    Be careful, or then get ready



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