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Why is Tobit shown with the King James Bible?

1 The book of the words of Tobit, son of Tobiel, the son of Ananiel, the son of Aduel, the son of Gabael, of the seed of Asael, of the tribe of Nephthali;

2 Who in the time of Enemessar king of the Assyrians was led captive out of Thisbe, which is at the right hand of that city, which is called properly Nephthali in Galilee above Aser.

3 I Tobit have walked all the days of my life in the ways of truth and justice, and I did many almsdeeds to my brethren, and my nation, who came with me to Nineve, into the land of the Assyrians.

4 And when I was in mine own country, in the land of Israel being but young, all the tribe of Nephthali my father fell from the house of Jerusalem, which was chosen out of all the tribes of Israel, that all the tribes should sacrifice there, where the temple of the habitation of the most High was consecrated and built for all ages.

5 Now all the tribes which together revolted, and the house of my father Nephthali, sacrificed unto the heifer Baal.

6 But I alone went often to Jerusalem at the feasts, as it was ordained unto all the people of Israel by an everlasting decree, having the firstfruits and tenths of increase, with that which was first shorn; and them gave I at the altar to the priests the children of Aaron.

7 The first tenth part of all increase I gave to the sons of Aaron, who ministered at Jerusalem: another tenth part I sold away, and went, and spent it every year at Jerusalem:

8 And the third I gave unto them to whom it was meet, as Debora my father's mother had commanded me, because I was left an orphan by my father.

9 Furthermore, when I was come to the age of a man, I married Anna of mine own kindred, and of her I begat Tobias.

10 And when we were carried away captives to Nineve, all my brethren and those that were of my kindred did eat of the bread of the Gentiles.

11 But I kept myself from eating;

12 Because I remembered God with all my heart.

13 And the most High gave me grace and favour before Enemessar, so that I was his purveyor.

14 And I went into Media, and left in trust with Gabael, the brother of Gabrias, at Rages a city of Media ten talents of silver.

15 Now when Enemessar was dead, Sennacherib his son reigned in his stead; whose estate was troubled, that I could not go into Media.

16 And in the time of Enemessar I gave many alms to my brethren, and gave my bread to the hungry,

17 And my clothes to the naked: and if I saw any of my nation dead, or cast about the walls of Nineve, I buried him.

18 And if the king Sennacherib had slain any, when he was come, and fled from Judea, I buried them privily; for in his wrath he killed many; but the bodies were not found, when they were sought for of the king.

19 And when one of the Ninevites went and complained of me to the king, that I buried them, and hid myself; understanding that I was sought for to be put to death, I withdrew myself for fear.

20 Then all my goods were forcibly taken away, neither was there any thing left me, beside my wife Anna and my son Tobias.

21 And there passed not five and fifty days, before two of his sons killed him, and they fled into the mountains of Ararath; and Sarchedonus his son reigned in his stead; who appointed over his father's accounts, and over all his affairs, Achiacharus my brother Anael's son.

22 And Achiacharus intreating for me, I returned to Nineve. Now Achiacharus was cupbearer, and keeper of the signet, and steward, and overseer of the accounts: and Sarchedonus appointed him next unto him: and he was my brother's son.

Discussion for Tobit 1

    Please why were these books (judit, tobit, wisdom of solomon etc.) removed from the bible? (am really blessed in studying them)

    muslims do go against us by saying our bible is no more complete (pls i need urgent clear answer)
  • Chris - in Reply on Tobit 1:4
    Page 3.

    Jesus could only be the Perfect Offering to pay for our sin & to turn away God's Anger against us. So, this Jesus Who is in Heaven now says, that He will come again one day to restore all things back to perfection, but for now He gives us the opportunity to come to Him in faith in what He has done for us. So, after creating all things new for those who love Jesus & God, is there anything that can be added to Scripture after this? Nothing can be added at all.

    I hope this helps you a little in your understanding & discussion with Muslim friends.
  • Chris - in Reply on Tobit 1:4
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    You may not be able to do Scriptural comparisons, since only the very learned who know both the Bible & Quran well are able to do, so all you can do is:

    a. tell them that we (Christians) agree that the Bible as given to us by God, is complete from beginning (with Creation) to the end (destruction of the Earth & the bringing in of the new heavens & Earth freed at last from sin's corruption). And God warns us in Revelation 22:18,19: "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." So what Jesus (by the Angel) has said, is that we are forbidden to add anything more to what God has revealed to us or else God will judge us.

    b. the Muslim will then say to you that this is false & why has Allah then given us the Quran? You cannot enter into debate about this as you & I can't give clear answers about Quranic writings, but we can tell them the reason why ONLY the biblical message is important: that is, we are all sinners (Muslims will agree to that, though their understanding about sin is slightly different to ours), & as sinners God has to judge us (because He is Holy & Just), we're found guilty as a result & sent to Hell forever. We earlier did tried to obey God & do our best, but all our good efforts were not acceptable to Him & we remained guilty. But since God loves us so much (John 3:16), He had to do something permanent: He gave of Himself, through Jesus, the "Word of God" & (a Soul) (Quran calls Him Kalimat'ullah, (Surah 4:171).

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  • Chris - in Reply on Tobit 1:4
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    Emmanuel, the books you mentioned form part of what we call 'The Apocrypha' & were not included in the Canon of Scripture. Canonizing of Scripture took place over the ages since post-Apostolic days, which essentially means that the Church fathers & others involved in Scriptural examination viewed that some published writings did not conform to the accepted doctrines or teachings in the other accepted books: because of their authorship, authenticity, or dubious references, raised 'red flags' as to their worth to be included in Scripture. I'm not saying that everything in the Apocrypha is wrong, but there are many differences there to cause concern, & so these books were left out (i.e. not canonized).

    That "Muslims say that our Bible is incomplete". I've worked with Muslims & studied Islam in my earlier ministry so am aware of this claim, amongst many others. This claim of theirs has to do with the Bible being current & valid only to a certain point in time. That is, only till the coming of Jesus (the Prophet) & with His Life & Ministry. They don't accept the letters written by the apostles of Christ & when they understand the Gospels, they think of the Gospel of Barnabas only, which is not accepted at all by Christians. So, if (to them), the Bible has ended with Jesus, then why shouldn't everyone then accept God's next prophet, Mohammed & his revelations from Allah. This is why they claim that our Bible is incomplete: because al-Quran is given by Allah to bring His latest message to all. So what do they do when someone like Baha'ullah comes on the scene after Mohammed? They of course, reject him, because it won't fit into their belief that Mohammed is God's last prophet. You & I can't use any of this as an argument with Muslims, as they will just reject your words. In fact, it is not advisable to even find fault with their Book, as this will cause them anger & to not listen to you at all.

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  • Mishael - in Reply on Tobit 1:4
    You have to choose one book or the other eventually. One follows Muhammad, the other follows Jesus, the son of God.

    Both came through the bloodline of Abraham, until Mary, of the bloodline of King David. That's why Jesus said he was the Son of Man.

    Ishmaels bloodline was through Abraham and Haggar. God blessed Ishmael with good things: recorded in the Bible.

    However, God had made a Covenant with Abraham that would be passed down through the son, Issac. Jesus's mother would come through that bloodline.

    Read in Genesis 17: 19-21. Ishmael's blessing verse 20.

    There's just differences between the Bible and the Quran. I'd go with what speaks to my heart and soothes my soul; but that's just me.

    I grew up in a church that preached so much hell fire damnation that I was more fascinated by the various colors the pastors face showed. Pink meant it was time to go home.

    I've had Muslim neighbors. They're very family oriented. Older relatives are treated with respect. Very approachable and kind.
  • Theresa cheatham on Tobit 1:2
    If God asked you. are you confident in your salvation What would you think He meant
  • Chris - in Reply on Tobit 1:2
    If God asked me that question without any further qualification, I think He meant:'whether I believed that His Son's Work on the Cross was perfect & final, whether my sins had been forgiven according to the Scripture, & whether I am living the crucified life' I have no doubt in Jesus' Work on the Cross & the forgiveness of my sin through the gift of faith, but I know that living the crucified life is & always will be hard. As a sinner saved by His Grace, I can only live as He wants me to, by dying daily & living victoriously through His Spirit. With bowed head, I fall short - but with raised head, I know He understands & His continual Work continues in my life to make me more like His Son.
  • Theresa cheatham - in Reply on Tobit 1:2
    Thank you so very much. No words can say how much it means to me that you answered. I wasn't expecting that. I do believe and all the more now. I have no one to ask things things since I have been saved but the Holy Spirit. If I am unsure again about something can I contact again?
  • Chris - in Reply on Tobit 1:2
    I'm glad my comment was helpful to you, as are comments from others who read & answers those who may be uninformed or perplexed. Most of us here, I feel, are mature believers & can identify with some of the concerns that are raised & we use God's Word only as our basis for advice & counsel. Some here may have had quite interesting & challenging experiences in their Christian walk & ministry, so the reader can get some glimpses of personal testimony of the generous & timely provision from the Lord. Please feel free to ask of us - we will respond as the Lord directs. But never forget, that your own Bible reading, prayer for the Spirit's assistance in understanding it, & keeping short accounts with the Lord, will be of far greater value than whatever another can give you. I hope you attend a strong Bible-based Fellowship where the Word of God & fellowship with His people, can only strengthen your journey in this life.
  • Theresa Cheatham - in Reply on Tobit 1:2
    Thank you for your response. You will be hearing from me soon. It's so good to know of someone more mature in spiritual matters than I.


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