Titus Chapter 3 Discussion Page 2



 
  • Mishael - in Reply on Titus 3
    Commendable Comment Richard
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Titus 3
    Interesting. So after 60 years of "intense" study of the Bible that is all you can say to me? I must state again. You proclaim there is no unforgivable sin(blasphemy of the Holy Ghost) though Jesus Christ says there is. ( 2 Peter 20-21.

    With your one statement of "God shall never allow His Son to be crucified afresh". You mean like Hebrews 9:24-26. Yes I understand that. This does not give us free will to go about sinning in this world. Like stated in Hebrews 10:26-29 which I left for you in the previous post. Which would just be putting His blood to shame as stated. Sounding to be of the unforgivable sin which only the Lord shall judge. Of coarse we can make mistakes and we will always have forgiveness if we are true to humble ourselves before the Lord. Confess our sins, or mistakes, and strive to repent of them. To live for the Will of God not our own will. James 4:7-8

    Seeing no real response to my couple questions which is ok. Back to the original question which is what led me to post to you in the first place. The Holy Ghost and the Holy Spirit being different. Which again I say is false. Giving you detailed information of the original Greek texts which predates the English translation of the Scriptures.

    As you have veered to reply to this information several times I do not expect a reply from you.

    Thank you for all your time.

    God Bless.
  • Tom Rue - in Reply on Titus 3
    Hebrews 6:1-6. John 17:1-31. 1 John 2:1-2. 1 John 5:18. 2 John 9 3 John 11

    God shall never allow His Son to be crucified afresh...

    Matt 12:30...
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Titus 3
    Dear Tom,

    One other aspect I have been led to reply to is about how you stated "once anointed one cannot sin". As I can only perceive what you mean is to have received the Holy Ghost after giving our life to the Lord? Unless this is from a higher level in which God knows exactly who are His from before we took our first breath in this earth. How He knows the end before the beginning which is truth.

    Now I know some believe in "once saved always saved". Which is nice to think but there is Scripture to contradict with this thought. Like Hebrews 10:26-31, ( 2 Peter 10:20-22. Jesus stating in Matthew 7:21-23. Also in Matthew 24:10-12 that there shall be a falling away and it is "he that shall endure until the end, the same shall be saved".

    As we are all just vessels it is Gods choice alone who is to be saved. As in Romans 9:19-24, ( 2 Timothy 2:19-21. Even when God spake to Moses in Exodus 33:19. It is all His will which is Holy and pure.

    Though as stated in the couple verses I have posted it seems that people can lose their salvation. As I would believe there are people who have fallen away and maybe hate God and Jesus Christ now. Also knowing of a couple that have fallen away but come back to the Lord. Which I believe shall be forgiven. As it is His will and all things are possible with God.
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Titus 3
    Thank you much for your reply Tom,

    I very much enjoyed reading your reply and I agree with most of what you stated. One thing you stated is very special to me. Shown to me very early, by our Father, in my journey with the Lord.

    To try and not make this too long. About ( 1 Corinthians 15 24-28. Stating how the last enemy to be destroyed is death, this being the end. The end of just my life or all physical life? I cannot see how God is not all in all now. How He is the source of all life. The Creator of all. Knowing everything about everything, knowing the end before the beginning, and always being in control in Heaven and earth. Like you stated it is His Will that shall be done not ours. Job 34:14-15. Death being a part of this physical life when our spirit shall return to God. Ecclesiastes 12:7. All we see is vanity but what is not seen is eternal as ( 2 Corinthians 4:18.

    How do you perceive when Jesus states of the sin that shall not be forgiven in Matthew 12:32 "neither in this world, neither in the world to come"? Do you perceive this as another physical earth or world after us? Or as like unto the angels who sinned and were cast down(from Heaven) to Tartarus ( 2 Peter 2:4? Meaning neither in earth or in Heaven.

    I thank you very much for your reply and cherish very much someone to converse about spiritual things like this.

    I still do not understand what you mean about the Holy Spirit and Holy Ghost to be different. Can you please give a reply about how in the Textus Receptus, the Greek texts, which our Holy Bible(NT) is translated from. "Ghost" and "spirit" is the same Greek word "pneuma". Strongs number G4151. Translated over 250 times as "spirit" and over 90 times "ghost" in English. There is no difference in Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost. That I can see anyway.

    Thank you again for your time sir. God Bless you.
  • Tom Rue - in Reply on Titus 3
    Man shall not liue by bread alone, but by euery word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Every word means just what it says. God's mystery is written in parables. These two letter words are just as meaningful as any other words. Thy kingdome come. Thy will be done, in earth, as it is in heauen.(in earth) one must be careful here to understand the spiritual meaning, not the physical meaning. It is actually saying; Thy will be done in the physical(earth) as it is in the spiritual(heaven). blasphemie against the holy Ghost, shall not bee forgiuen vnto men. The Holy Ghost is the spiritual baptism given to a few by the Father through Jesus the Christ. He mediates this anointment. Once anointed one cannot sin ( 1John 3:8-9) making blaspheme of the Holy Ghost impossible which eliminates the unforgivable sin spoken of. I could never go against the teaching of my brother Jesus Christ. Read throughly 1Cor 15:24-28, it answers if and when God shall be all in all, that time is yet to come. And when all things shall bee subdued vnto him, then shal the Sonne also himselfe bee subiect vnto him that put all things vnder him, that God may be all in all. If defilement could occur then God the Father would be judged as mistaken, heaven forbid. God makes no mistakes. The word 'if' puts a condition on the statement that follows it. God's decision making is never wrong so a judgement of God would never occur. Many statements in God's word are proceeded by 'if', be careful to under stand their true spiritual meaning, they are there for a reason just as 'in' and 'on' have their purpose. When one understands these words put there by God the Father one's walk becomes wholesome and one's faith grows into knowledge, knowledge no man can takeaway. May God's grace be with you.
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Titus 3
    Tom,

    I am in no way frustrated. Your question of "in" or "on" has nothing to do with what started our conversation. Please don't think I called you a fool sir. The question was foolish to me. When Jesus spake(or Isaiah himself) Luke 4:18 "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me" does that mean He was not filled with the Spirit of God? Or was it just "upon" Him? Not seeing any reason to give thought to that detail. Just to show "on" or "in" is in Scripture and doesn't seem to make much of a difference. And that being about the Spirit of the Lord being "in" or "on".

    So back to thinking "spirit" and "ghost" are different for some reason. Even stating in the original Greek texts there is no "spirit" or "ghost". It is the same word. What do you reply to that? Also no reply about Luke 11:13 etc?

    Maybe another thing. You state there is no unforgivable sin. Which Jesus spake in Matthew 31-32 that there is. Are you against the teachings of Jesus Christ?

    You also state there will be no more Jesus Christ one day? Is not God all in all now? Is he not the source of all life and the Creator of everything? His knowledge, wisdom, is surpassing anything anyone can even comprehend. He knows everything because He is in everything.

    Then you stated "God the Father would be judged as mistaken" for whatever reason. God cannot be judged by anyone or anything. He is the Almighty and He does whatever He pleases. As you wrote "God makes no mistakes" which is correct. Then why would have Jesus spake of an unforgivable sin. But you say there isn't? It seems you have come to your own conclusion on this and surpassed the Word of God?

    Jesus Christ is our Savior and Salvation sent by our Father. He is the only way to the Father and I don't think He's ever going anywhere.

    Seeing as you are and elder saying "you have studied the Bible for 60 years" I shall patiently wait for your reply to the couple questions I stated. If you would like. With respect.

    God Bless.
  • Tom Rue - in Reply on Titus 3
    Our discussion seemingly has led you to a point of frustration. That was never my reason. If you are upset or perturbed I am sorry ( Romans 7:9-10). As far as where have I (heard) what I have shared with you; thats an easy answer. In your terminology, I (heard) it from 60 years of intense study but more importantly I (heard) it from my Father God Jehovah. As far as my question you judged as foolish? Maybe to that question you should consider again with or without our interaction. The answer may just be a furthering of your walk to glory ( Hebrews 6:1). After all is said and done God shall be 'All in All' ( 1Cor 15:28), no more Jesus, no more Christ; that is where the question I ask came from, foolishness may God forbid. I have so much more to share but I'm not sure you could hear ( Matthew 11:5). These are not physically blind, lame or deaf but spiritually just as in John 6:53 -61. May you enjoy your walk as I have fully enjoyed mine; Christ, Jesus, Holy Ghost, Holy Spirit, Comforter, Satan, yes they are all of God, not on God but in God.

    Tom
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Titus 3
    Tom,

    So no answer to my question of "where have you heard this"? Again, the Spirit of Truth, the Comforter, and the Holy Ghost are all spoken of as one in John 14. Also as I have stated that the word "ghost" and "spirit" are the same Greek word in the Greek texts. Just translated to two English words that mean the same thing. Is not the word Holy more important than "ghost" or "spirit"? If it is Holy it is from God.

    So in places like Luke 11:13 is Jesus speaking of another "spirit or ghost" than in John or anywhere else? How's John 7:39? There are many other verses also that speak of "the Spirit of God" and the "Spirit of Christ" being in you after you are saved. Romans 8:9, ( 1 Corinthians 3:16, Ephesians 4:30.

    Do you know of ( 1 John 5:7? Where it states the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost are one?

    Seeing as you have not given an answer to my one question I shall not entertain your foolish question. Which has nothing to do with our discussion.

    Thank you for your time. I hope what I have posted shall open your eyes.

    God Bless.
  • Carleton - in Reply on Titus 3
    This hymn verse speaks to me: When He shall come with trumpet sound, O , may I then in him be found; Clad in His righteousness alone, Faultless to stand before the throne.

    On Christ, the solid Rock, I stand; All other ground is sinking sand, All other ground is sinking sand.

    "The Solid Rock" verse 4

    Edward Mote 1797-1874

    The Lord is my defense, and my God is the rock of my refuge- Psalms 94:22
  • Tom Rue - in Reply on Titus 3
    I see where you have stated 'the Holy Ghost and the Comforter are one' from chapter14. But nowhere does 14 state Holy Ghost and the Holy Spirit are one. The Holy Spirit is the holiest of all spirits, it is the spirit of the Father Jehovah, while the Comforter is the 'comfort' (knowledge of the truth)

    given to the members of God's true church, the church of God. The Holy Ghost is the anointing given to those of the true church, the spiritual baptism.

    My question to you is, do you believe 'in' Christ or 'on' Christ?

    Tom
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Titus 3
    Where have you heard this? The word "spirit" and "ghost" are the same Greek word "pneuma" throughout the NT. As in John 14 the Holy Ghost is referred to as the "Spirit of truth" and the "Comforter". The Holy Ghost and the Holy Spirit are one and the same. Just using a different English word "ghost or spirit".

    God Bless.
  • Tom Rue - in Reply on Titus 3
    If one mistakes the Holy Spirit and the Holy Ghost as one and the same, confusion will occur. Blaspheme of the Holy Ghost Is an impossibility. So there are no unforgivable sins. The Holy Ghost is an anointing given by God through His Son, Jesus Christ to those worthy. If defilement could occur then God the Father would be judged as mistaken, heaven forbid. God makes no mistakes.
  • Brother dan - in Reply on Titus 3
    Willie, The Law as referenced by Jesus ...is God's Law. It is the 10 commandments. Jesus did not come to change this law.
  • Adam - in Reply on Titus 3
    I think it's healthy to express your emotion to God when praying. It's a sign you're being real. Use that opportunity to lay your burdens at his feet and to put your trust in God. If this occurs over an extended period of time and you don't feel any relief or healing you might evaluate whether you're truly giving it to God or if you're truly believing that you're forgiven, or whether you truly forgive others, or if you've truly forgiven yourself. May God bless you.
  • Teresa - in Reply on Titus 3
    Why do i cry when praying
  • Andrew Kingsly Raj - in Reply on Titus 3
    In replying Kaden Huggins (Mathew 12:31) All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven but blasphemy against the holy spirit shall not be forgiven.

    Yes, If you want to repent and ask Lord for forgiveness, He is faithful to forgive you(even it may be bestiality or homosexuality). But blasphemy against holy spirit is not be forgiven.

    Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

    So submit your life unto God and ask for Holy Spirit(which will guide you in the path of rightiousness.
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Titus 3
    Kaden, if they repent and turn from their sin and ask forgiveness in Christ, then that is my opinion yes Bestiality and sodomy can be forgiven. But there comes a point in time when the Lord sears one's conscience with a hot iron. in other words the door of salvation is slammed shut and then nailed tight.

    1 Timothy Chapter 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

    2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

    Romans 1: 26 For this cause God GAVE THEM UP (gave up on them?) unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

    27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God GAVE THEM OVER to a REPROBATE reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

    If the Holy Spirit convicts them, it is time to repent. When someone seeks and wants the Lord more than their sin they shall find the Lord.
  • Adam - in Reply on Titus 3
    Hello, I believe the answer is yes. God forgives deeply. The man who authored more books of the Bible than anyone else used to murder Christians before he transformed into a strong Christian evangelist. I believe to be forgiven there needs to be genuine repentance and regret. For example, I think a Christian is on shaky ground if they intentionally repeatedly sin with the mistaken idea that they will be forgiven regardless and just try to follow the world and enjoy sin as much as possible. Lately there's even Christians spreading that idea that sin, which I believe comes from satan. There's no downside to following Jesus 'too much' or being 'too obedient'. Hebrews 10:26, John 14:23.
  • Kaden Huggins on Titus 3
    Mathew 12:31 All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven but blasphemy against the holy spirit shall not be forgiven, Does that mean bestiality and homosexuality shall be forgiven theres only one unforgivable sin?
  • James brooks on Titus 3
    Leigh;These six(6)things doth the LORD hate:yea,seven(7) are an abomination unto Him:A proud look,a lying

    tongue,and hands that shed innocent blood,an heart that deviseth wicked imaginations,feet that be swift in running to mischief.He hates a froward mouth.
  • Nathan on Titus 3
    Is it proper for a human being to kill an animal for consumption without praying and in a brutal way such as cracking the skull with an ax?
  • Peter on Titus 3
    ET/everything was made by God. What a fantastic statement. When i think of that; When i think of etccc.... How great thou are. and another favorite is All is well with my soul

    You tube and Hymn supply a treasue of relaxing very enjoyable hymns

    and he walk with me and talks with me and what a wonderful way to develop my mind, ET was made by God. Consider that and all those little microbes of the soil and sea that he made to give us such habitats all over the world and Adam to look after ET but he was a little lower than angels and a man capable of Sin as we all are. and all have sinned. But luckly , we have Jesus and look what they did to him when he came; and they would do the same today One day at a time; Dear Jesus, that all I am asking of you; etc.... Do you remember ....and of ourse he never forgot ; but it is worst now than then etc,, You would be surprised on al the things God [ and teach your old people before they get too old That Gpd make ET;and as long as they remember; they will feel happy and it should be the last tht they will forget; Unfortunately yoday a lot of Alzheimers people Forget that God made ET but sill I find themand autistic people the best to r talk to.
  • Peter - in Reply on Titus 3
    ALL things were made by him: and without Him, was not anything made, that was made.

    amen

    great comments

    a treasure
  • Mishael on John Chapter 11-14 - in Reply on Titus 3
    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word is God

    The same was in the beginning with God.

    ALL things were made by him: and without Him, was not anything made, that was made.

    Verse 14: And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us.

    I don't see how you can write these things and not believe Jesus made it. This is mockery.
  • Ira israel - in Reply on Titus 3
    He came to fulfill the things written of him not everything..read luke 24:44 acts 3:18
  • Chris - in Reply on Titus 3
    Willie, in Matthew 5:17,18, Jesus spoke to His disciples concerning the full meaning & requirements of God's Laws. Jesus spoke about the preciousness of God's Laws & that not one of them would be removed until they were completely fulfilled. We know that the Law was given to God's Chosen, the Jews, as one of the marks of identification with Him. But it was given not only for their understanding of their relationship to their Creator, but also in their relationship to their fellow men. And they soon found out that they couldn't fully obey God's Laws because they were sinners & had no hope to obey Holy Laws. So every year sacrifice was made by the High Priest on their behalf for their sins.

    So, all these Laws, including those that applied to their ceremonies, sacrifices & moral behaviour, were given as a temporary measure as God planned for the future when His Son, Jesus Christ, would come into the World to be the Perfect & Final Sacrifice for mankind's sins ( Rom 5:6). Also read Romans 8:3.

    Then what you're reading in Mt 5, is Jesus saying that He had come to fulfil God's Laws: He fulfilled prophecy given about Him & alone could completely obey God's Laws & therefore would never need to sacrifice for Himself, simply because he never sinned. In fact, His Love was so great for us, that He willingly became the sacrifice in death in our stead - for our sins: He became our Substitute, our Saviour to save us from sin's penalty which is eternal death. So, if Jesus perfectly fulfilled God's Laws & became our Sacrifice, then all who believe in Him through His Blood, are also now freed from the curse of the Law ( Gal 3:13). In other words, if we still want to obey the 'old Law' to satisfy God or contribute to God accepting us, then Christ's death is counted as nothing. However, Rom 8:4 says, that "the Righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in us"; the letter of the Law failed, but the Law of the Life giving Spirit (8:2) is put in our hearts to help us correctly obey God.
  • Willie Everett on Titus 3
    Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

    please explain this verse
  • Frances on Titus 3
    God is telling us how strong our faith must be for loving someone we havent seen or havent heard but to them that keep the faith what a glorious day it will be I'm keeping the faith
  • Mishael comment on Titus - in Reply on Titus 3
    I looked at the commentary on this website.

    Put the verse you're searching in the search box.

    Touch the screen and it will turn yellow.

    Scroll down to the Commentary Box. Click

    You should be seeing basically what the verse means. We can also google too.

    It says Paul was up in years and we know he had been abused every way imaginable by all kinds: especially Jews. Yes he tells us to avoid what they are yelling, etc.

    Don't invite them to your church or meetings unless they are believers in Jesus!

    The commentary refers us to the Book of Galatians for more information on this.

    My comment: God has a plan for the resistant Jews; but it will not be in force until the fullness of the Gentiles is completed.

    I like a book by Arthur E Bloomfield;

    written in the 70's but read it alongside today's daily news and your mouth might drop.

    *Before The Last Battle (Armageddon) 1971

    *Understanding Revelation (2002)

    *Signs Of His Coming (Olivet Disclosure) 1962

    *How to Recognize The Antichrist (1975)

    He has other books: early 70's

    End of Days: Daniels Vision

    The Changing Climate (Bible Story of Water)

    These books are very inexpensive and easy to obtain from my favorite bookseller:

    AbeBooks. They're not easy to find locally.


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