I believe that this is a wonderful type of the Grace of God given to us today in this Dispensation, through Jesus Christ, who payed for all of our sins: past present and even sins that we haven't even committed yet. Even "before we have done any good or evil" "Christ died for the ungodly",as Jacob was ungodly in his ways.
I think the scripture means exactly what it says. It does not say that it wasn't speaking about the two as individuals. It calls them by name. In fact it does not say anything at all about the descendants, however I feel that this certainly is true. For we have seen both at enemy with each other for thousands of years now. Why can't people just believe God's word? Why do they have to insert man made doctrine. My advise is just read and believe Gods word and understand the final warning to man at the end of the Holy Bible to people who change (add to, or take away) the true words of God. The true word of God has no copywrite in the front of the bible. In fact, God wants us to spread that word by mouth, or written. Anyway that we can is ok with Him. Try using the other versions and if you take donations or receive any money for your publications prepare to go to court and be sued. God himself has preserved the true Word of God until this day, and even though it is far down the list on all other versions that pop up when using Google search, I am convinced that it is for settled in Heaven and will stand the test of time. It makes me sick when anyone tries to tell me a scripture does not mean exactly what it says.
Nevertheless, I love you and pray that the Lord will bless you.
Foreknowledge precedes any predestination ( Rom 8:29). ( Gen 18:19) "For I know him," Then God proceeds to speak of what Abraham will do. Pharaoh is "foreknown" before he hardens his heart ( Ex 3:19); Judas is "foreknown" before his betrayl ( Jn 6:64). Biblical election is based on "foreknowledge" see ( 1 Pt 1:2).
The passage simply tells us that our natural ability,professional trainings are not enough to guarantee success. For the bible says if God didn't build the labour of him who built is in Vain.
Romans 9 vs 11 was given to me in my dream after my prayers to the lord about my will to do His only will. your explanation of the scripture gave me an incling to the understanding of what the lord is saying to me. i had doubted my call but was assured through the scripture. it is not by works but my election was made before i was born. This simply means that my calling is from God for a purpose and to His glory. pls remember me always in your prayers.Thanks
According to romans 9:16,it show that man's ability,certificate,qualification on both physical and spiritual things are vain.mercy is the key that unlock the heavenly gate, indeed he said,my way are not your way,may thought are not your thought. Preacher samuel JIMOH
might not know much but this what I understood verse 7-23 is saying that not every body is God children there are those that was promise to the forefathers by Godin their seeds are the chosen ones
To me Romd9:16 Expkains,in the race of life success,God is the only determing factor,which is a devine secret,though you still have a responsibility to be prepared for it.Apostle Paul,Daniel etc understand by books.
In my limited understanding of Roman 9:16, the Apostle Paul was building on the Words of our Lord Jesus Christ written in John 15:5. Indeed, it is not on our effort that we are successful but the mercy of God working in us.
In my own explanation, Rom.9:16 teaches us that we can do nothing on our own accord except by God's grace. Yes, man has d will power but it's not by man's will that we provoke God to act. It's just by his mercies. In otherwords, all our cares and burdens should be laid at his feet.
This is my response to Beverly's comment dated 9/12/2013 at 10:11pm on Romans Chapter 9 about verse 25):
That's right.. Osee is Hosea because that verse in Romans 9:25 was quoted from Hosea 2:23, "And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God".
For as it is written without Faith it is impossible to please God. No matter how any situation look, sickness, disease, financial problems, anything. Dont look at your problem just tell Jesus about it and ask Him to strengthen you to get through it. And believe and know in your heart that He hears you and not only will He hear you but is very well able to do that which you asked him to do in FAITH. Just plz know He is the same Forever
From my own interpretation of what apostle Paul was saying here; success or whatever height one attains in life is not by the effort one makes, but by God�s mercy. It goes to prove that though everyone is created by God, but not everyone is on his mercy list. It also contrasts Solomon�s personal view; in his conclusion in the book of Ecclesiastes 9:11 (talking about time and chance). This implies that man�s willingness or effort without God is baseless.
We can never be good enough in and of ourselves to make it, but praise the Lord for sending Jesus to take our place and pay a price that we could never pay. That is the real message of this holiday season. Jesus came and died for our sins and was raised from the dead that we might experience newness of life through His victory over sin and death. Look at salvation like a Christmas present handed to every person in the world. It belongs to all, but only those of us who open the present and receive it for ourselves will benefit from what He did for us.
I think what Paul is saying is that he has great sorrow for the people that are not saved. He has great love for them and does NOT want them to go to hell. He loves them so much and wants them to believe in Christ.
Our Father,Creator of everything that ever was, that is , and that ever will be. Thanks and praises be to you, through our Lord Jesus Christ.Amen!
Chapter9 has a very important message to humanity.
1.We should never declare ourselves righteous before God by justifying our works in the law of righteousness.We all fall short of the Glory of God and we should accept the fact that we are all sinners and should therefore:
2. Seek to attain righteousness through Faith in God, through Jesus Christ and not through our WORKS in righteousness.
Nevertheless, I love you and pray that the Lord will bless you.
That's right.. Osee is Hosea because that verse in Romans 9:25 was quoted from Hosea 2:23, "And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God".
Chapter9 has a very important message to humanity.
1.We should never declare ourselves righteous before God by justifying our works in the law of righteousness.We all fall short of the Glory of God and we should accept the fact that we are all sinners and should therefore:
2. Seek to attain righteousness through Faith in God, through Jesus Christ and not through our WORKS in righteousness.