Romans Chapter 8 Discussion Page 6



 
  • Deborah - In Reply on Romans 8 - 3 years ago
    Hi Adam

    Actually we had a class and we were to discuss what do we think God is. Everyone had different perspective to what God is to them so when I read Genesis I was aroused to ask this question. Thankyou very much!
  • Adam - In Reply on Romans 8 - 3 years ago
    Hi Deborah, God is referred to as He throughout the Bible, never 'she'. Being made in likeness doesn't necessarily mean gender. What might be the source of your doubts?
  • Deborah Kuradal on Romans 8 - 3 years ago
    I was reading through the book of Genesis and this question came to my mind, "Is God a male or a female?" though it says in Genesis 'Chapter 1' that God created man in His own image and likeness I still have doubts.
  • Henry - In Reply on Romans 8 - 3 years ago
    Thanks Jessie for your response.Was also thinking in that direction.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Romans 8 - 3 years ago
    Henry,

    I'm not sure there is an answer on why angels are included in that list. I can give you my unbiblical guess.

    I do know that Paul is declaring that nothing can separate us from God, including angels.

    Angels are very powerful. When Paul lists all these things saying that he is persuaded that none of them can separate us from the love of God, he includes angels.

    My guess is that when he says angels, that includes Satan who is also an angel. And not even Satan can separate us from God's love.

    Again, this is just a guess!
  • Henry on Romans 8 - 3 years ago
    Why were "angels" included in Romans 8v38-39

    Thanks
  • Simon on Romans 8:9 - 3 years ago
    MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN

    MENE, God has numbered the days of your kingdom and brought it to an end;

    TEKEL, you have been weighed ... and found wanting;

    PERES, your kingdom is finished...
  • Sarah McCarthy - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 3 years ago
    Hi

    Thank you yes I have turned to Jesus and God and repented for my sins. I however have autism which causes me great anxiety and wanting to do things right of that makes sense. I have looked for bible studies online and have found one which should help me.
  • Sarah McCarthy - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 3 years ago
    Hi

    No by that I mean that I mean I have repented for my sins and that I believe in God and his son Jesus Christ and that I believe Jesus died for our sins etc. Yes I'm also going to be following the 10 commandments. I have autism so my main thing is anxiety of getting things wrong as I want to live right by God
  • SkipVought - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 3 years ago
    Sarah,

    When some people say that they have turned their life to God, they mean that they are trying to do better, go to church more often, give more to charities to help poor people, read their Bible more, stop smoking, stop getting drunk, stop getting angry with people, etc.

    Those attempts have some merit, but that's NOT how you turn your life to God.

    "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Rom 3:23

    We do and if a we are honest with ourselves and with God, we realize that we fall far short of Perfection.

    "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Rom 6:23

    Sometimes we realize that our situation is dire, but if we die without Christ, it will be eternal living death. But because The Son of God became a man, suffered and died for your sins and mine, God offers a free gift to those who will turn from their sinful ways and put their trust in Jesus.

    "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." Eph 2:8-10

    God offers us grace if we have trust in God through Jesus Christ's death, burial and resurrection, by granting us salvation as a free gift that we don't have to work for. But what should happen when a person places that kind of active trust in God is that they will demonstrate a life of good works that results from God woking in them both to want to and to actually do things that please God.

    Baptism is not a requirement for salvation. It is something that you ought to do when the time comes and it may come sooner than you think. If, God forbid, you get hit by a car and die before you're baptized, if you are trusting Jesus, you'll be with Him in heaven.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 3 years ago
    Sarah,

    I can only assume from your post that you have received Jesus Christ into your life as your Lord and Savior. If that is the case, then you have been baptized with God's Spirit. The baptism you are speaking of is water baptism. That does not save you. Being baptized by the Holy Spirit happens the moment you receive Christ. That is His ministry.

    In Mark 1:8, John says I indeed have baptized you with water: but He (Jesus) shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, the Holy Spirit.

    This is one of the great verses in the bible. John is saying all I do is baptize with water. That is it. That is a tool. I have a message, but I don't baptize with the Holy Spirit, He does, the Messiah does!

    Let me share with you this important information about the Lord's ministry:

    The baptism of the Holy Spirit is the Lord's ministry. That is what He does. It is not an afterthought. And it's not somewhere down the road. When you are touched by, and saved by the Spirit of God, you are baptized in the Holy Spirit.

    That is a Jewish term. So we have to understand it from a Jewish standpoint.

    Paul himself said in first Corinthians Chapter 12 Verse 13, "For by one spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free, and have been all made to drink into one Spirit"

    When you are baptized by the Holy Spirit, you are brought into the body of Christ. You are saved! When a person gets baptized in the Spirit, it represents the fact that the coming of God's Spirit into their spirit has cleansed them. You are clean. In your spirit, you are perfectly clean, because that's where Jesus dwells!

    Water baptism can take place later on down the line. It does not impact your salvation at all. If you've received Christ, He has already baptized you with the baptism that has saved you!

    As far as bible study, you can do that at home until places of worship and fellowship open back up.
  • Sarah McCarthy - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 3 years ago
    So I've recently turned my life to God but because of this whole covid thing I won't be able to go to a bible studies etc. I'm also concerned that I won't be able to get baptised etc when the time comes. So what would happen then?
  • Darren Croft - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 3 years ago
    Dawn,

    Let's say satan impregnated Eve, don't you think satan would have chastised Jesus for eternity for being born of the devil? We would have heard much more about it, but we don't. Jesus would not have been able to overcome the grave without being of God.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 3 years ago
    Hi Dawn,

    That's not all 2 Peter 3:8 says, watch closely, let's pick up around vs 3 thru vs 9. and get the context.

    2 Peter 3:3-4, 8-9 (KJV) Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

    And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation...5.....6......

    8: But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord "AS" a thousand years, AND A THOUSAND YEARS "AS" ONE DAY...

    Now if the first part of vs 8 makes a day an 1000 years, "very long" Then the other half of vs 8 makes a 1000 years an DAY! "very short" so calculating time using this vs would make a day fractions of a second!!

    The setting here is God stands outside of time looking in.

    The emphasis is on God's patience, not the length of a day.

    Look below at verse 9

    9: The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is LONGSUFFERING to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. I Hope that helps
  • Mishael - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 3 years ago
    The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages.

    Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

    Isaiah 6:8

    Romans 1:20

    Colossians 2:9

    Acts 17:27-30

    1 John 5:7

    John 10:30

    These are scriptures of when the 3 persons of the Godhead were speaking to each other.

    I was taught that Adams name means, Man. Eve's name means, Man with a womb.

    Adam and Eve were of flesh, soul and spirit up until they ate of tree. Then the spiritual connection was severed.

    By being Born Again, Jesus restores that spiritual connection through the Holy Spirit who indwells us.
  • Dawn Elizabeth Dodgen - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 3 years ago
    Adam and Eve weren't the first man and woman. Haven't you read the first chapter of Genesis? Gen. 1:26 - And God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness..."

    Gen. 1:27 - So God created man in His own image...

    6th day Man - (Hb.) adam (no article) = mankind

    'eth-Ha' adam (WITH article) is the Adam, and then Eve, who God created on the 8th day, in which Christ, bellybutton to bellybutton comes from.

    Also remember that 1 day of our Father is equal to 1,000 years for us (man). 2 Peter 3:8
  • Richard in Christ - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 3 years ago
    Hello Jesse,

    Thank you for that very kind, personal , and accurate reply. May the Lord Bless you while we complete our journey, for our Father, abiding in these mortal bodies. Peace be upon you!!
  • Jesse - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 3 years ago
    Richard,

    I read your post and I just want to say Amen! And thank you for using 1 Corinthians 14:22. I believe that to be the only verse in the bible that specifically tells us what tongues are for. And I also believe that the only place we see its proper use is in Acts Chapter 2.

    They spoke in languages (Tongues) unknown to them but known by those who were hearing them speak. Those "tongues" were actual known languages. They had no clue what they were saying. But the ones who heard them understood. What a beautiful picture of God's Spirit in action. Those who heard them speak in tongues knew that they had no way of knowing their native languages, adding more power to what they were hearing had to be from God.

    I personally have never spoken in tongues. But if I ever do, I hope it is the same as those in Acts Chapter 2, God's power working through me to witness the gospel message to someone in their language, perfectly, a language I do not know. And like you, I know I have God's Spirit living inside of me. And by knowing that, I find comfort in knowing that I lack nothing.

    And when we talk about "gifts," I believe the only gift we are promised is the gift of the Holy Spirit. I believe that is the only gift we are all given. Everything else is just an expression of God's Spirit and His grace!

    God Bless!!!
  • D W L - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 3 years ago
    Jesus said father if thou WILL let this cup pass from me, not my will but thy will be done.

    I think I understand you but Jesus prayed not my will but thine be done.
  • Dawn - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 3 years ago
    Then why is Cain's genealogy different than Adam's, and in John 8:44 Christ, speaking to the scribes and Pharisees, "Ye are of your father the devil.... he was a murderer from the beginning...."?

    Cain, in God's Word, is the first murderer, in His Word.
  • Mike - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 3 years ago
    Actually Cain is the son of Adam because Adam and Eve was the first man and woman ever to be created by God and because of their disobedience Cain and Abel his brother come into existence to know more about it reading the book of Genesis from the beginning will tell you everything
  • Mike on Romans 8:9 - 3 years ago
    God said in his word ask and it shall be given you knock and the door shall be open seek and you shall find.If a evil man know how to give good gifts to his son well when you ask the Lord Jesus for something he will give it to you all you have to do is to obey the Lord and live by his word and anything you asked of him he will bless you with. And remember now we are children of the king our King is king of all Kings and Lord of all Lords and there is nothing impossible for him to do and also don't forget before we was formed in our mother's wom he knew us and before we was borned he laid the foundation down for us so he wants us to ask him for whatever we need but also don't forget Deuteronomy chapter 28 verse 1 tells us if we obey God and do as he command automatically we are blessed in everything we do but also God want us to pray and ask him for whatever we need but our prayer must be very sincere and remember now we can't fool God so if you are very sincere with your prey and you obey his word yes the Lord Jesus will give you what ever you ask of him.
  • Charles R Peek on Romans 8:9 - 3 years ago
    If someone used the sinners prayer to be saved, I'd like to hear your testimony?
  • Genealogy Questions Answered - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 3 years ago
    It pays to read all of the Geneology scriptures. If it's recorded, that is the final answer.

    If your Bible has center of the page references to other relevant scriptures, I read all of those too. Those open up the total picture of Bible people.

    There's hundreds of Geneology charts on Google you can look at. Pick the ones that agree with scripture. Prove validity always.

    Mishael
  • SkipVought - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 3 years ago
    "And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD." Gen 4:1
  • SkipVought - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 3 years ago
    Ms T,

    Succoth appears to be given to the tribe of Gad.

    "And Moses gave inheritance unto the tribe of GAD, even unto the children of GAD according to their families. And their coast was Jazer, and all the cities of Gilead, and half the land of the children of Ammon, unto Aroer that is before Rabbah; And from Heshbon unto Ramathmizpeh, and Betonim; and from Mahanaim unto the border of Debir; And in the valley, Betharam, and Bethnimrah, and SUCCOTH, and Zaphon, the rest of the kingdom of Sihon king of Heshbon, Jordan and his border, even unto the edge of the sea of Chinnereth on the other side Jordan eastward. This is the inheritance of the children of GAD after their families, the cities, and their villages." Jos 13:24-28
  • The Godhead Scriptures on Romans 8:9 - 3 years ago
    Write these on the inside cover of your Bible. It comes up a lot.

    The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages.

    Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

    Isaiah 6:8

    Romans 1:20

    Colossians 2:9

    Acts 17:27-30

    1 John 5:7

    John 10:30

    God is Spirit

    The Holy Spirit is spirit

    Jesus said he's the Son of Man: all God and all human
  • Charles R Peek - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 3 years ago
    John 3:5-7 "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again." Notice that Except a man be born of water; is talking about hat which is born of the flesh is flesh; born of water is the water birth when you were born in the flesh. not water baptism, baptism is not mentioned.
  • Charles R Peek - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 3 years ago
    Exodus 8:15 "But when Pharaoh saw that there was respite, he hardened his heart, and hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said."
  • Charles R Peek - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 3 years ago
    Who, does the Bible say should be baptized? Not to the Gentiles, although most gentiles get baptised.


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