Romans Chapter 8 Discussion Page 10



 
  • Richard in Christ - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 3 years ago
    Hello brother Ezekiel,

    I very much enjoy looking over the 1611 text, pictures of every page, on this site. As you've stated I've noticed some capital letter differences. With the spelling I myself wouldn't really call them errors. With other things like Jerusalem "Ierufalem", evil "euill", up "vp", ointment "oyntment", have "haue", son "fonne" etc. It seems in the old English they had a different way with some vowels and letters in certain words.

    It is enjoyable to look over though. I believe the KJV is the best version of the Holy scripture we have. It is also very interesting to look over the Hebrew and Greek texts and compare with the KJV.

    God Bless brother.
  • Ezekiel on Romans 8:9 - 3 years ago
    Hello KJV believers? So am I. Use KJV-1611 which is better than KJV. The words are identical but 1611 has chapter summary, and cross references and literal translations in the margin notes. KJV changed a few capital letters to lower cases or vice versa, for example, like from Prince to prince. 1611 has real spelling errors like Ifaiah for Isaiah. I found about 38 typos so far. Big one. Go to Micah chapter 4 page; it shows Ioel (Joel) instead at the top of it.

    I want to see 1611 large print and hopefully with spelling corrections but it is not available yet. Why did KJV remove chapter summary and margin notes what I consider very useful features? I still wonder!!??@@

    Anybody found KJV English grammar pattern? For example, second person, singular, present and past tense, the verb has either 'st' or 'est' ending. If thou wert = If you were thou wast = you were thou (singular) and ye (plural).

    Third person or object, singular, present tense, the verb has either 'th' or 'eth' ending. He saith, cometh; it hath.

    Satan interferes people from using KJV; he wants them to read corrupt versions. Some of them are really outrageous--completely different thoughts--and some are less serious. We KJV onlyism people are blessed to read it. GOD is perfect and so is HIS Word. Then KJV is the only (or near) perfect GOD'S Word, isn't it? Just think about it. Would HE not provide a genuine Bible for us when HE wants us to know HIM and obey HIS commandments CORRECTLY?

    Do not bother with comparing difficult verses with corrupt versions because they would not help you at all but they would mislead you rather. Ask friends or go to KJV commentary or annotation notes to find out what they mean. If you have one and ask me thru this website, then I will help you gladly. Again stay with KJV. Try to understand them with cross references, and pray to GOD more importantly. Holy Ghost will teach you. Thanks
  • Edna on Romans 8:9 - 3 years ago
    How is the mark on christians different than the mark of the beast?
  • Richard in Christ - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 3 years ago
    Hey Michael,

    I will do my best to answer your question of "How do you pray in the Holy Ghost" from Jude 1:20. Others may want to give their view on this also.

    In my experience as I have only been saved by the Lord Jesus Christ for just under two years. My life has taken many turns from a power not of my own. Experiencing miracles of healing, repenting from things of this world, and my prayer life that was non existent before being led to the Lord. I will testify that the Holy Spirit has taught me how to pray. As starting out praying I would maybe only say the our Father prayer. The prayer I say now every day takes about one hour and is from my heart. I give all credit to the Holy Ghost expanding my prayer life.

    One other thing is that when I pray I usually don't speak out of my mouth. It is in Spirit.

    I agree with what S Spencer stated on the most excellent gift of the Holy Ghost being love/charity.

    Hope that helps some. God Bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 3 years ago
    Why don't we covet what's said to be the best gift? " Charity" Is it because it is as not noticeable and unique?

    1 Corinthians 13:2-5, 13. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

    And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned,

    """and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing"""

    Should Charity be accompanied with these other gifts?

    Here is where I believe Charity separates it self from speaking in tongues, some of those who do seems to feel they are ahead of the pack.

    (( Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up ))

    Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

    And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

    I'm not sure they "always" confirm salvation.

    Does The scripture says you know them by their fruit, are you Know them by their gifts?

    Matthew 7:22. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

    And we know the story of Balaam.

    I don't think the gifts of the spirit do you any good with out the fruit of the spirit.

    Do we always exercise these gifts and stay humble?

    If it takes an experience for us to have faith is that really faith?
  • MICHAEL PEREZ - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 3 years ago
    Hello Richard

    I only have one question ? Book Of Jude 8/9 says to pray always in the Holy Ghost building up our most holy faith praying in the Holy Ghost ...How do you pray in the Holy Ghost.......

    Please be aware i have made the same spelling mistake ( spelling speak as sleak in my comment ) i wrote twice
  • MICHAEL PEREZ - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 3 years ago
    REWRITNG MY FIRST COMMENT DUE TO SPELLING MISTAKES......

    ROMANS 8 VERSE 9 Refers to ACTS 5 VERSE 32.... and we are wittness of these things; and so also is the Holy

    Ghost , whom God has given to them that obey him..

    The problem today is Pastors who do not have the Holy Ghost have preconcieved ideas if the infilling of the Holy Sprit

    referring to the fulness of God sperating the experience of what Jesus told Nicodemus what he must do to enter into the Kingdom of God..

    Many preach the wrong context of the experience saying sleaking in tongues is a gift and Mark 16 says ...believers would speak in tongues ......

    Zephaniah C 8 says ..

    Therefore wait ye upon me , saith the LORD, until the day i rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that i may assemable the kingdoms,to pour on them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devouredwith the fire of my jealousy ..

    Zephainah C 9 says... For then i will turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent .....

    Isaiah C 28:11 says ..For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to his people .

    Isaiah C 33:19 says...Thou shalt not see a fierce people, a people of a deeper speech than thou canst percieve; of a stammering tongue, that thou canst not understand .....

    STAMMERING LIPS AND ANOTHER TONGUE IS REFERRING TO SPEAKING IN TONGUES

    Book Of Jude ... best to read the book its only one page that referrs to mockers sensual having not the the Spirit of God when God instructs to pray always in the Holy Ghost building up our most holy faith, tells us how we do it praying in the Holy Ghost......
  • Chris - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 3 years ago
    Well, Mark 16:15-20, also tells us that those who "speak with new tongues" are also those enabled by the Spirit to cast out devils, take hold of poisonous snakes, drink poisonous substances, & heal the sick. I wonder whether all who have the Gift of speaking in other tongues, can do the other things mentioned in those verses, or does 1 Corinthians 12:28-31 have some bearing on this matter?

    I know that the 'Tongues' issue has severely divided believers, but we all need to take a fresh & good look at the Scriptures on this issue & not depend on what we're taught from the pulpit.
  • Richard in Christ - In Reply on Romans 8:9 - 3 years ago
    Hello Michael,

    Just to reply on your last sentence. I cannot say anything about people preaching the wrong context which I'm sure there are some that do. Only being able to speak on my own behalf. I believe speaking in different tongues is a gift from the Holy Spirit. Jesus does not say that every single believer, who receives the Holy Spirit, should "speak in tongues". Saying "these signs shall follow them that believe". It is not written that Jesus Christ ever spoke in tongues.

    As I have no doubt that I have been blessed by the Lord to have received the Holy Ghost. As I may have some things, or gifts from the Lord, given to me that people who can speak in tongues don't have. Not that any of us in Christ are more important than the other. We are all One. 1 Corinthians 12 is a good chapter by Paul speaking of spiritual gifts and the body of Christ. 1 Corinthians 14:19 states how it is better for people to hear and understand your words than to speak in an unknown tongue to them.

    As I am not taking anything away from people who have been blessed with the gift of speaking in tongues. I myself have no interest in this gift and have met other brothers in Christ who very much wanted this gift. They prayed earnestly for it and received it. God Bless them.

    Please don't take my reply as an offense. I just wanted to post my feelings on this. Thank you.

    God Bless you brother.
  • MICHAEL PEREZ on Romans 8:9 - 3 years ago
    Romans 8 VERSE 9 refers to Acts 5 VERSE 32 ..and we are his wittness of these things ; and so also is the Holy Ghost, whom God has given to them that obey him...

    The problem today are Pastors who do not have the Holy Spirit and preconcieved ideas of the infilling of the Holy Spirit referring to the fulness of God seperating the experience what Jesus told Nicodemus what he have and must do to enter into the Kingdom of God.....

    Many preach the wrong context of the experience saying sleaking in tongues is only a gift and Mark 16 says beleivers would speak in tongues
  • Chris - In Reply on Romans 8 - 3 years ago
    Romans 8:28, "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose."

    The Apostle Paul's affirmation that to a child of God, all things (whether of good or ill) work together according to God's Plan for us, for our good & blessing. So, even if something appears hurtful or a tragedy in life, we know that God is mindful of our physical suffering but has allowed it for a purpose, maybe just to draw us closer to Him & trust Him more for the future. Gold can only be refined through extreme heat, but the refining process is not a single event but multiple, until all the dross is removed. As God's children, we have to accept the good with the bad, knowing that it's for our growth in Christ & for His Glory as we are witnesses for Him in difficult circumstances.
  • Elizabeth Chavez on Romans 8 - 3 years ago
    I am trying to find the rest of this Romans bible quote.

    God promises to make something good out of the storms that bring..... and that's all I remember. I saw this quote on Facebook and my iPad turned off. I just remember Romans...
  • Aloysius Nathan on Romans 8:20 - 3 years ago
    You have written perfect and truth, we teach the same, first to become Disciple ( mark 8:34) and make Disciples ( mat 28:19) so we are chosen by God to do his will ( John 6:38) so let us build the Body of CHRIST with 100% Holiness!
  • Daniel LaVigne on Romans 8 - 3 years ago
    I want Romans 9:18-22
  • Mark on Romans 8:16 - 3 years ago
    please explain Genesis 3:15
  • Randy - In Reply on Romans 8:16 - 3 years ago
    Satan accuses the brethren of sin day and night before the throne. Jesus said HE took away all of our sin. I know whom I believe!!!
  • Beating the Sheep - In Reply on Romans 8:16 - 3 years ago
    John 16

    8 And when HE is come, HE will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

    9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

    10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

    11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

    12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

    13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

    14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

    15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

    COMMENT:

    It is not your job to attempt to do the Holy Spirits job for Him. He's the only one who can operate on a human heart.

    Psalm 23: the shepherd's staff is to guide the sheep. Pull them away from danger. He carries the lambs in his arms. At no time does he use the staff to beat a sheep into condemnation. ITS the Holy Spirits WORK to watch over and perfect the New Birth. We don't all get it perfect on day one.

    You could learn alot from Chris's style of Teaching. It does not cause a stampede. Painstaking, reasonable, patient, truth.

    Your condemnation of people who are not perfect like you think you are, shows that you are a hireling.
  • Randy - In Reply on Romans 8:16 - 3 years ago
    Do you believe Jesus took away your sin? All your sin? If so...how can you still be a sinner? Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin...cannot sin! Sin is all unrighteousness. How can we serve two masters?
  • Mishael - In Reply on Romans 8:16 - 3 years ago
    Yes I do. I also believe in Matthew 26.

    My belief in relieving the suffering of others comes from what Jesus taught, and showed us about humility. (Beatitudes)

    It's only a loss of rewards at the Bema Seat judgment of Christ.

    I pray with people in the Prayer Request Room because people need to hear God loves them and is ready to meet their Needs.

    I begin my prayer with the Prayer of Agreement:

    "19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

    20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."

    Faith is Action. It does something. It changes us. It changes people we pray for.

    Sometimes I hear back from people who were healed. It boosts my desire to bring Jesus to his lambs and hurting sheep.

    Adam and Eve were spiritually connected to God. They knew the rules. Yet they ate the fruit (disobeyed), and lost that spiritual connection. They sinned.

    If the Holy Spirit taps my shoulder, I listen up real quick.
  • Randy - In Reply on Romans 8:16 - 3 years ago
    The word "rapture" is in the latin vulcate. Translated as 'caught up'.
  • Randy - In Reply on Romans 8:16 - 3 years ago
    So you don't believe Jesus took away your sin?
  • Sinning after Salvation How to Conquer it - In Reply on Romans 8:16 - 3 years ago
    Very simply, it takes mountain size FAITH in the finished work of Christ Jesus on the Cross. He didn't leave anything undone or over-looked.

    After we believe and accept the Gift of forgiveness; we take steps to work out our salvation, with joy: also fear and trembling.

    Satan doesn't want us to Feel Free. He comes immediately to ACCUSE us of sins past, present and next week. It'll keep happening until our faith in Jesus gets up off the floor and counters satan With Our Newborn FAITH in the finished work of Jesus. Satan always tempts us to listen to voices that accuse it wasn't enough. We even accuse ourselves! That is the flesh. It is NOT faith. fAITH stands up and screams, "I am the righteousness of God, in Christ Jesus."

    Isaiah Chapter 1

    16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; CEASE to do evil;

    17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.

    18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

    19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:

    Many people are easily confused (satan is the Author of Confusion), because as newborn Christians we still act sinful, Until we begin to absorb into our spirit, the Bible truths. The Life of Jesus. His shed blood over all of our sins: past, present, future.

    When sin happens, repent from the heart, and forgive yourself. Don't give up. Ask the Holy Spirit to help you; warn you when you are getting off course. Obey His promptings.

    Study the strength and wisdom of Jesus through the Gospels. He is the Lion of the tribe of Judah (Revelation). He is your faith.

    Michael
  • Randy - In Reply on Romans 8:16 - 3 years ago
    First of all, the Scripture says "anything without faith is sin!" And "a little leaven leavens the whole lump"! So how can we be "faith full" if we are still "sin full"?????? We were sinners, Jesus took away all our sin, we became 'born again'! What changed? We are supposed to be "NEW"! How can we be "NEW" if we are still old sinners?
  • Chris - In Reply on Romans 8:16 - 3 years ago
    Matthew 24:45-47 & Matthew 25:14-23.

    The faithful servant in these portions is not given a name as Jesus wanted to highlight the Truth associated with the behaviour. As a servant, by definition, is one who serves, Jesus showed in both these illustrations that the "faithful servant" is one who behaves & works as his master intends.

    In the first Matthew reference, Jesus commends the servant for faithfully looking after his master's house, providing necessary food for others working there as they needed, while he was away. In the second reference, two servants were commended for faithfully & wisely dealing with their master's finances so as to produce an increase in the principal amount given.

    The message in both accounts speaks of the level of trustworthiness & busyness of the Lord's servants (His children) so that whenever He comes for us, or we should unexpectedly pass through the vale of death, we shall be commended for our faith & work for His Glory rather than being the unprepared, lazy sluggard who is not watching or being careless in his Christian walk.
  • Janet Shelley on Romans 8:16 - 3 years ago
    Who or what is the faithful servant spoken about In Mathew
  • Rob - In Reply on Romans 8:16 - 3 years ago
    The wages of sin is death .

    New Testament teaching by Apostle Paul .

    Sin shall not have dominion over you .

    If you sow to the flesh you will die .

    False teachers appeal to the flesh and turn the Grace if God unto sinful practice .

    So if you are sinning and unable to get the victory , look at the gospel you believed , it may be devils gospel .

    Ask the Lord to help you as you read the scriptures to set you free .

    It's not a doctrine alone but real power over sin and a liberty in Christ to follow him in love and truth by his grace .

    Faith worketh by love , it not hard to believe God when you know he loves you .

    The devil causes all kind of errors to be sure .
  • Rob - In Reply on Romans 8:16 - 3 years ago
    At least if you are going to criticize me do it in a contextual way instead of taking my words out of context , yes you may need a little more education to understand it as well .
  • Rob - In Reply on Romans 8:16 - 3 years ago
    The Lord had his critics too so I can take it as well ! I'm not trying to impress anyone ! But keep to the truth if that offends the fakes too bad !
  • T on Romans 8:16 - 3 years ago
    There was an old man and his wife at the car wash. After going through the wash a young man came to the car with his towels to wipe it off. As he finished, the old man angrily barked at the young worker "you missed a whole bunch of spots on the windshield!" The young man apologized, grabbed his towels and began to wipe the windshield again. As he finished the old man angrily said "what are you Blind? There are still spots all over my windshield." The young man again apologized and this time grabbed a fresh towel and proceeded to scrub the windshield. As he finished, the old man became irate but before he could bark at the young man his wife stopped him. She asked "Alfred, let me see your eye glasses. When is the last time you cleaned them?" As she investigated his glasses she noticed many spots all over the lenses.

    Ask yourself; what is the moral to the story and how can I apply it to my own life and walk in Christ.

    Let's get our lenses clean and help others to see better as well.
  • Rob on Romans 8:16 - 3 years ago
    Where is the rapture in the Bible , we know the word is not but the event ?

    Last time Mishel gave verses that where out of context and other things and then changed his view saying he did not know , well yes we already knew that !

    So again where is this rapture event found in the Bible a second chance to prove you are not a false teacher ! Go for it !


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