Romans Chapter 7 Discussion



 
  • Alex N - in Reply on Romans 7
    Dr. Lyle Lee Gbu your post is so interesting....Lemme give ya my take on the law a type of Uriah a husband to Bathsheba but Bathsheba was barren under Uriah just as Israel was barrren under the law...At Horeb Moses married Israel to the law just as Uriah was married to Bathsheba...The early Church was married to the law but she had a relationship with Christ Jesus which resulted in a Child called Christianity...Thats y Romans 7 : 4 is saying you are dead to the law ( Uriah ) by the body of Christ that you should be married to another even him that was raised from the dead Christ Jesus...Bathsheba was dead to Uriah by the body of David. Bathsheba was bathin and David was on his roof top when he took Bathsheba ,Jesus had already ascended when he took the church who was bathin in H.G.. baptism...But she had a husband which was the law.

    .....Thus Bathsheba was an adultress as long as Uriah was alive...verse 3 if a woman who is married have another man she shall be called an aduleress but if her husband dies she is no more an adulteress...But the 1st Child was sick which was Christianity and died in its infancy...Bathsheba had to travail Again to get the Child of Promise which was Solomon a type of the H.G. The Comforter that is Gonna make OUR BODIES HIS TEMPLE... Thats y Jesus said a greater then Solomon is here...Thus the H.G. IS GONNA BUILD A GREATER TEMPLE THEN SOLOMON Gal 4 : 19 My lil Children of whom i travail in birth AGAIN .The Church will have to travail again to get the 2 nd Child the H.G. THE Child of PROMISE...She brought forth aman Child that is gonna RULE ALL NATIONS...Which is the H.G that CHILD OF Promise..Thats y Romans 7 : 4 is saying you are dead to the law by the body of Christ that you will bemarried to another even Christ Jesus...Just as Bathsheba was dead to Uriah by the body of David, We are dead to the law by the body of Christ thus we will marry Christ...The 1st Child died but the 2 nd Child is the Child of Promise the H.G. Emanuel GBU LYLE.
  • Dr. Lyle Lee on Romans 7
    Law; we are told in verses 1-4 that the law is the Ten Commandments written in stone, this law binds a marriage until the partner dies, then in verse 4 ew are told we have become dead to the law, meaning the Ten Commandments in stone. Now in :6 we are delivered from the Ten Commandments in stone, and this law has died, again in :4 we are dead to the law, but in :6 the law is now dead. The Apostle Paul states the reason is for the Christian to obey the Ten Commandments in the heart, he calls this serving in the spirit. Notice, our human spirit obeys the Ten Commandments written in the heart, and this is called serving God. Yet we cannot serve God from the Ten Commandments written in stone, why not someone may ask, the reason is that we have died to that law, and that law has also died to us. Then in :7 he specifies the law we are delivered from in :6 and the law that is now dead in :6 is the law in :7 that teaches THOU SHALT NOT COVET.
  • Tina - in Reply on Romans 7
    Jude 1:20

    How do you pray in the Holy Spirit?
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Romans 7
    Amen Brother Carl.

    Well spoken.

    God bless.
  • Brother Carl - in Reply on Romans 7
    The outward man is the flesh:

    For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

    Rom 2:28 (KJV)

    But the inward man is the Spirit:

    But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

    Rom 2:29 (KJV)

    We perfect holiness in the fear of God (Afraid to Sin) by cleansing ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit:

    Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

    2 Cor 7:1 (KJV)

    This cleansing is done with washing by the word of God:

    That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

    Eph 5:26 (KJV)

    Man is spirit, soul and body which must be blameless when JESUS CHRIST comes back:

    And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    1 Ths 5:23 (KJV)

    The Spirit of man is the Candle of the Lord, searching all the inward parts of the belly - Proverbs 20:27

    The washing of the regeneration is with the renewing of the Holy Ghost - Titus 3:5

    Building up your most holy faith praying in the holy ghost - Jude 1:20

    This way the inward man is renewed day by day.

    For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

    2 Cor 4:16 (KJV)

    JESUS CHRIST bless you.
  • Joyce on Romans 7
    who is the inward man?
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Romans 7
    Hi Charles.

    The conflict over Israel is not the wrong DNA.

    GOD said he will make a nation out of Abraham. Genesis 12:2.

    God confirmed a covenant with Abraham and his seed afterwards. Genesis 17:7.

    These promises was also confirmed with Isaac and Jacob.

    It's the heir of promise given to Abraham.

    Down through Isaac and Jacob that is fought over.

    See: Galatians 4:29-30. But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

    Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

    The seed that was promised to come that would bless the world is Christ.

    Galatians 3:16. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

    If you study the Genealogy of Christ you will see they're Gentiles in it. Ruth being one. and also Rahab.

    God sanctified Israel and gave them the seal of circumcision. "A cutting away the filt of the flesh " Gentiles was considered unclean. but if the wanted to come into the camp and remain they had to be circumcised.

    Genesis 17:12. And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

    TODAY CIRCUMCISION AVAILETH NOTHING.

    Galatians 5:6.

    Galatians 6:15.

    We become that new creature through our new birth in Christ. "Baptism of The Holyspirit ".

    God bless.
  • Charles R Northup on Romans 7
    Powerful, for this cause God forbid Israel to take wives from other nation because sin is passed through are blood and multiplies from generation to generation through are flesh. God was keeping Israel pure do evil wouldn't overtake their nation like we seen happen. That why the NT says, Come out from among them (the world) and be ye separate and touch not the unclean thing, parallel we are repeating the mistakes of Israel, Todays Church is.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Romans 7
    Great answer GiGi!

    Very insightful and gets us to take a closer look when using "Wilfully sin" when separating Christians and non Christians.
  • Gigi - in Reply on Romans 7
    Hi Virginia

    I believe that everyone will continue to sin in this life, even after conversion. And I think that Christians do enough willfully. If you are a believer and you lie, that is something you choose to do willfully. If you are a believer and you have axial relations with your boyfriend/girlfriend. You choose to do so willfully. If you are a believer and you choose to gossip about someone, you choose to do so will willingly. Anytime you do something you know is wrong, you are choosing to do so willingly. And I don't really think that any believer could say that after conversion they never chose to do something they knew was wrong to do. When you choose to do what you know is wrong you are using your will to choose to do it.

    Some people employ semantic gymnastics to say there is a difference between choosing to commit a sin and willful sin. But they are both the same thing.
  • Kent Bass - in Reply on Romans 7
    Hi Virginia while our spirit is still inside this fleshy body we still sin by the flesh. You can sin by thought by word by deed or by the things you did not do. But the spirit within is without fault when our flesh departs our spirit goes to be at home with Yahweh Jesus and The holy Spirit
  • Virginia Freeman on Romans 7
    When it says you will sin as long as you are in the flesh, does that mean before you are saved or after or both? My friend says after you're saved you won't sin every day, but I say you will sin but not willfully???
  • David - in Reply on Romans 7
    Hi Tim The commandment are the commandments given by God to Israel that's why in verse 12 the law and commandment are holy and just and still summed up in Mathew to Love God with all your heart and soul and mind and strength. We are now above the law because walking by the spirit is walking above the law by the spirit of God which fulfills the royal law in mathew.
  • Tim Larkin on Romans 7
    In verses 7-13 the commandment is referred to. What commandment is this?
  • Rick - in Reply on Romans 7
    Bsp Amen to that
  • BSP on Romans 7
    Even a mature Christian may be inclined to do what is bad. The apostle Paul was a mature Christian but he faced this struggle. We have a war or struggle inside us as we fight against the law of sin.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Romans 7
    Brother Kenneth, May CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and His understanding.

    What ever sin you see in yourself; GOD DOES NOT SEE.

    The WORKS of Christ REMOVED them as far as the east is from the west.

    WE ALL murdered Christ.

    His last words were Father FORGIVE THEM.

    Stand in that Forgiveness.

    Just give thanks for his WORKS OF SALVATION.

    Draw nigh to me and I will draw nigh to you.
  • Battleground part two - in Reply on Romans 7
    Satan's objective is to keep the mind "blind" to the Gospel. Satan has a vast assortment of weapons at his disposal. Remember that Satan has 6,000 years of experience with billions of people. You will not win any battle with Satan on your own, but you can be victorious through Christ. To accomplish his task, Satan looks to our flesh, our fallen nature, to build his kingdom on our lusts and weaknesses. Fallen nature is the nature of the flesh ruling. Satan rules in this realm, he keeps those under his influence as captives.

    As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, in which you used to live when you followed the WAYS of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air ( Ephesians 2:1).

    Our relationship with Jesus Christ liberates us from Satan's power. We are now a part of the Lord's army, advancing the kingdom of God on enemy territory. This does not stop Satan from trying and as such, we must remain ON GUARD. He works through lust to capture us. The word for lust in Greek is epithumia, and means desire, craving, longing, and the desire for what is forbidden. Satan pursues our fallen nature through the mind, feeding our lusts with perceptions. Satan attacks three areas of our mind. They are lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and pride of life. For all that is in the world-the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life-is not of the Father but is of the world ( 2 John 2:16).

    John 3. You must be born again to receive:

    Salvation through Jesus

    Forgiveness of sins: past, present, future

    Receive right standing with God the Father

    Confess that the Holy Spirit is your Teacher

    Tell someone that you have been born again.

    Stay in 1 Corinthians until you see what is available to you, through the Holy Spirit. Ask him to Help you with fleshly passions. Rid your house of objects of temptation. Everything. Stay in the New Testament until you are stronger. Talk to Jesus 24/7 He hears you!

    Mishael
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Romans 7
    Hi Kenneth.

    Amen to both comments given to you by Sacha and Adam.

    Turn from what ever that's hindering you and most important, Turn to the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Ask him to come into your life and guide you through his word.

    God bless you.
  • Lauren - in Reply on Romans 7
    the depth of your sin is not nearly as powerful as the Blood of Christ,

    shed for you. Only believe...... lift up Christ Jesus, not the power of

    your sin. Ask God to show you the riches of the Cross. God Bless.
  • Sacha - in Reply on Romans 7
    Dear Kenneth Tipton , please do not despair , you have not done one thing that some one else hasnt done before you did , you have not done any thing that God didnt see you do , he was with you the whole time , you cannot ever hide from him and thats a good thing , repent of you sins , open your heart to Him in prayer , dont attempt to hide anything from Him because you know you cant and dont attempt to hide anything from yourself , be honest , the truth is often awful but it must be faced , God loves the truth , talk to Him ,read the Bible ,this isnt about beating yourself up its about recognising your sinfull self and asking God to forgive your sins and help you to move on , surround yourself with other Christians ,keep away from the things and people that tempt you , God loves you ,always ,He will not EVER leave you ,reach out to Him and He will take your hand .
  • Adam - in Reply on Romans 7
    Dear Kenneth,

    It's a common trick by the enemy to persuade you into assuming your sin is too big for grace. That's false. The only unforgivable sin is blasphemy of the holy spirit- all others are absolutely forgivable. Paul used to murder Christians before being the biggest evangelist for Christ in world history and writing most books in the Bible. Moses killed someone. David had a twisted affair where he killed her husband. God can forgive you if you repent.

    Is Jesus's death on the cross not good enough for you? God already loved you so much He died for you- what else can He do? If you're a lost sheep all you need to do is call out to Jesus- give your heart to Him and He will find and rescue you. Don't believe the devil's lies. Fight back by reading God's word and staying in the truth- keeping your metaphorical armor of God on to fight against satan's lies. Then once you find your way back to Jesus, 'go and sin no more'. God bless you!
  • Kenneth Tipton on Romans 7
    I have gone so deep in sin that I am ashamed to ask the Lord Jesus to help me. I am so alone and afraid. The "Prodigal Son" would be ashamed to be seen with me and that only the least of my shame.
  • Jhon doe on Romans 7:19
    I liked the part about the 19 dollar fortnite card
  • Chris - in Reply on Romans 7
    I do agree that God's forgiveness shown to us goes beyond human comprehension, but I fail to see how God forgives when a 'Christian' spurns His Love & Grace afforded him, by living a life of sin - even in the matter before us, on divorce & re-marriage. I even suggested that such a person needs to have a good look at his 'Christian' life & testimony & discern whether he's been living a life of deception to himself & others all the while. When that 'Christian' finally comes to the place of real contrition for his sins (in humility & brokenness), yes, there is a place of repentance, though much damage has been done to several parties which can't be undone & he will have to live with it.

    And I suppose "the one thing that a person can commit that cannot be forgiven even by God" would ultimately be a full rejection of His Love shown through the giving of Himself through His Son. But this opportunity is open till one's last breath, though some mistakenly believe that they take that chance & do so successfully.
  • Daniel - in Reply on Romans 7
    "If you care about having committed the unforgivable sin, you probably haven't."

    I at one point in my life when I was a young man thought I may have committed this sin. I sought scriptures on it , I sought people to explain to me what it actually was. I was in a phycological hell for a time. Until I read a piece on what the unpardonable sin really was. The man who wrote said what I just quoted. The unpardonable sin, he said, was total disregard for the things of God especially if one knows the will of God and has rejected all. Then you die in your sin without the saving Grace that is called the Gift of God. ( Ephesians 2:8)

    If you CARE about having done such a thing points to want to repent . And sorrow that one may have committed it. The person who does not care will not have such a conviction. Because the Unpardonable sin is ignoring the Love of God and the conscience is seared. Faith cannot be restored by such an individual.
  • Dianne - in Reply on Romans 7
    Gentlemen the only sin that can't be undone is the one that can't be forgiven because it can't be reversed, and I know there will be more that one understanding of what that may be, so question is what does it mean to blaspheme the holy spirit, have heard several takes on this, but ask yourself what is one thing person can commit that cannot be forgiven even by God.
  • Chris - in Reply on Romans 7
    If I could add, Seeker of Truth, & for your consideration: would a true child of God continue to live a life of rampant sin? You say that "no amount of sin will take you from His hands" & in a sense you're correct as our salvation is sealed & secure, but the question again, can a Christian even sin is such a manner without taking stock of his life & questioning his salvation? I simply can't see that happening - the Spirit of God will not permit it, under any circumstance. He has either been fooling himself to think that salvation is his or he will face the discipline of God, even death, if he continues to shame the Lord with his life & testimony.

    Many Christians suffer much because of a disregard to God's Holy requirements upon them & they wonder why 'the devil' is attacking them. If our hearts are clean before the Lord, we may then have reason to wonder, but that enquiry will turn to peace & trust in the Lord as we await His help & recovery from our temporary distress. In the matter of divorce, it can & does happen & the believer is to remain single & serve the Lord in that state. If a believer chooses to remarry, even multiple times in search of the 'ideal', then that can never be in the Plan of God, rather we being in a state of total disregard & opposition to Him & having a carnal desire to please the flesh, seeking earthly happiness. We cannot serve the lusts of our flesh & God at the same time; we would have to cast off all conviction & urging by the Spirit so that our lusts may be consumed upon ourselves - & that goes for all sin, aside from divorce.
  • Hindrances To Prayers Being Answered - in Reply on Romans 7:21
    This is a really good place to go to work through Hindrances to Prayer. I went through this years ago. I had to forgive others. I had to forgive myself.

    The Cross of Christ Jesus, and His shed blood, showed on "our balance sheet", PAID IN FULL.

    It's the Holy Spirits Work to help us work out our own salvation, every day. Give thanks that He's Helping us. Praise and then get quiet and listen. Faces of people who hurt me would come forward in my mind. That is who we need to pray about. You will know when you've wiped the sheet blank.

    Sometimes The Accuser, will accuse that God didn't do enough. Rebuke that voice in the Name of Jesus. A day we I'll come when you will experience the freedom that is in Jesus.

    Go here to see what the hindrances may be:

    You can put it on your Google page by clicking/touch the ICON that has an arrow point upwards from a box. Save. That page will be in a box on your google page. It is a lot to read all at once. Get ready for miracles ... hearing Holy Spirit every day.

    Website:

    HINDRANCES TO PRAYER

    Prayer and Intercession

    Resource Ministries.org

    By Jim and Jean Stephens
  • David W Black - in Reply on Romans 7:21
    A few things to realize about being saved. First you must have repented as Luke 13:3 says "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." Luke 13:5 says the same thing. Christ told man to repent. So what is repentance? It is a request made to God, you are confessing sins, you are saying you are sorry for doing the sin, you are asking for forgiveness, AND you are stating that your opinion and mindset towards sin has changed. Repent is to change decision or your mind. So repentance includes your future actions are not to commit sin again. It's not on us alone to shun sin. You have a need to be honest with God and you must do your part to distance yourself from sin. That part is described in 2 Corinthians 7:1 "Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God." Cleansing ourselves from filthiness is not forgiving our own sins, it is removing sinful things from our lives. Former smokers throw the cigarettes out. Don't keep beer in the fridge. Don't buy the adult magazines. YOU actively do not bring the sinful thing into your life, distancing from the sins is your job.

    Secondly there's a 2nd work on your spiritual man that's needed. Sanctification. This is only for those free from sin via repentance, those that do not sin still. Prayer to God again, that admits you are carnal, that you ask God to remove the carnality, and to fill your heart with the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit which is the same part of God. Paul asked this question in Acts 19:2 "He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost." Vs 6 same chap. "And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied." Speaking in tongues were needful then but not today & it's not a sign of holiness, but a life free from sin is.


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