Romans Chapter 6 Discussion



 
  • Faye Denny on Romans 6
    Sir, Dr. Masters,

    Thank you for your exceptional knowledge of God our Lord Jesus Christ.. Sir, it seems that people are having a hard time knowing what is sin.....where to find the sins.....I told my friend that the Old Testament has them listed....in the first 5 Books of the Bible.... they told me that those are for the Jewish people ...I calmly answered her saying..." Do we learn from the Jew's that there is even a God that spoke to Abraham , Moses, Mary? Do we say that we taught ourselves about sin....from the New Testament.....Paul listed 22 in Romans 3....She said that we are not under the laws....but are saved by Grace....I said that is right to a point...We are to repent of our sin , Believe that Jesus Christ to them to the Cross, died with them and arose clean and arose to Heaven...All we hear of is repent of sin but please share the list. Thank you, Faye
  • Randy on Romans 6:6
    Satan's still a sinner too! Just like you unbelievers!
  • Erich on Romans 6
    I love this chapter in Romans! Like the Book of James, this is very much a chapter of "where the rubber meets the road". As Christians, we are called to a life of obedience and holiness. We, being filled with the Holy Spirit, seek to bring honor and glory to our risen Savior, who gave his life for us! We love him because he first loved us and it is never grievous to do his will!
  • Destiny osaretin on Romans 6
    The wages of sin is death but multitude still follow the wrong road which is bad the world is turning into something else death ,war, famine, sickness are now the topic of the day i pray God keep us safe will shall endure this time of trial in jesus name
  • Jerry smith on Romans 6:23
    I think that too many try to define scripture by a word or passage that may or may not actually indecisively define the true context of what is written and or said,,, Jesus declared that He is the resurrection and the life,, that no man comes unto the Father Sept by Him,, AND IF YOU BELIEVE IN HIM ,,,THEN YOU WILL LIVE,,,. EVEN THO YOU DIE!!!!!

    What does He mean,""" if we believe in Him"" ,,,and what does He mean""even tho we die,,,?? Many try to seperate"the person from the body here and say that only the body dies and the person is immortal,,even tho Jesus just said that """ (you)will live,,,""" even tho ""( you)""( will die"), is that contradictive to what He says in John 8:51, if anyone keeps my word, He will not see death,He will live forever ,,or in the passage just prior to when He says"" I am the resurrection and the life, the one that believes in me will live,,EVEN THO YOU DIE"" and the one that lives believing in me will not see death,nor ever die,

    To twist a declaration of man being immortal in any sense by standing on these words is self serving to that person's doctrinal belief and not according to these passages,

    The revealing understanding that the person is spoken of in the same state as the very one that dies being the very one that never dies is a clear reference to what happens to us in death, and those believing in him are resurrected to eternal life and in that state never die or see death ,,So,,,,,even tho we die,,,,(the person) not just a person's body as some declare allowing for a immortal soul conceptual belief,,but the person of ,, and once resurrected back to life,, will live eternally

    This is proven by His resurrection to life being a bodily resurrection

    The same body he died in now glorified and renewed free from any disease etc The spear in the side was of great significance, it allowed them to see that He was mortal as His brothern bleeding blood as they will,for theyhad to witness this lest any man believe ,
  • Ron - in Reply on Romans 6:23
    Amen Jerry Smith, At the resurrection, our sleeping soul and body will awake and put on immortality and if we fear man instead of God and not be obedient to God, we will face the judgment and punishment of the second death the eternal death that was past to us from the first Adam, that will destroy the body and the soul.

    What is our spirit? Some use the Bible verse Ecclesiastes 12:7 to support the belief of going to heaven when we die. Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. God gave us breath like in Genesis; God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life.

    Without spirit, the body is dead. Psalm 104:29 Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust. James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. Therefore, in the Bible, the word ruach is translated not only as "spirit" but also as "force," or life-force, breath is life.



    Think of when you go in or out of a room you flip the light switch and the light goes on or off, the electricity is the spirit of the light bulb and without it the bulb is dead. There is also the Spirit we worship God, is it also similar to the electricity that turns on the light bulb?

    Yes, it flows like electricity but it carries comfort, guidance, truth, love, it regenerates and renews and assists believers in prayer. Spirit, is the same word as breath, but what flows through this Holy Spirit is not air or electricity. It is an invisible channel and a door, we communicate to and from God in the name of Jesus, a dwelling place (mansion) in us, Jesus restored with his death on the cross.

    God bless, Ron
  • Kay on Romans 6:1
    So are you saying we can be sinless , If a christian sins occasionally does that mean he is lost again
  • Mountain Preacher - in Reply on Romans 6:1
    Kay : To say that you live a sinless life is to down play the precious blood of Jesus Christ , Those who claim to live sinless do not mean to do this but that is exactly what they are doing ! if sinless perfection had ever been possible to achieve then Jesus shed his Sinless Blood in vain !
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Romans 6:1
    Hi Kay.

    Romans 6:1. Is continuing from ch 5 where Paul explains how the law slew us because we were Kinsman of Adam,

    And those who "TRULY" accepted Christ has been baptized into Christ has been baptized into his death and given power over the "DOMINION" of sin.

    Romans 6:1-2 (KJV) What shall we say then? Shall we "CONTINUE IN SIN", that grace may abound?

    God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, "LIVE ANY LONGER THEREIN"?

    Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

    Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

    I've highlighted key phrases such as Dominion, Continue in sin, Live any longer therein. and other places you will words like "practice"

    These words and phrases suggest a person born again want CONTINUE living in sin, but it doesn't say they will ever be able to live a sinless life.

    Paul elaborates on this in Romans 7.

    Also see John here:

    1 John 1:6-10 (KJV) If we say that we have fellowship with him, and ""WALK"" in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

    But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the BLOOD of Jesus Christ his Son CLEANSETH us from all sin.

    VS 8: IF WE SAY THAT WE HAVE ( NO SIN) WE DECEIVE OURSELVES, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN US.

    If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    VS 10: IF WE SAY THAT WE HAVE (NOTSINNED) WE MAKE HIM A LIAR, AND HIS WORD IS NOT IN US.

    I hope that helps.
  • Paul is saying we no longer live under the law of "sin and death" Paul is not saying we don't live under God's law. Context is everything. When we fall short, we have grace, but as Paul and yeshua has said, not till heaven and earth pass will the law of God pass. If we no longer live according to the law of God, and if it is truly not applicable to new testament Christians, why then when yeshua returns to rule on earth does he practice the law? He will practice the law untill all things written by the prophets is fulfilled, then heaven and earth will pass away with the law of God, we won't need it after that because there will be no more urge. To sin.

    We don't follow God's law to save us, we practice GODS law because we are saved, see the difference?

    Your faith in the word (yeshua is the word in the flesh) is what justifies you.
  • JESUS1 on Romans 6:22
    God is so good. Thank you Lord Jesus!!!
  • R ERVIN on Romans 6:11
    What was ham sin sexual ?
  • Chris - in Reply on Romans 6:11
    If you're referring to the account in Genesis 9:20-25, then, No, the sin of Ham wasn't sexual; he was passing by where his Father Noah was asleep because of imbibing too much, & he "saw" (i.e. he continued to gaze instead of walking away quickly) his Father's nakedness. In one sense, Ham, & his descendants, would not have been cursed, had Ham not reported this thing to his brothers. He must have described in detail what he saw to them, & Noah learned of this act, & so the curse upon Ham.
  • Ajjos - in Reply on Romans 6:11
    Gen 9:25 puts the curse on Canaan, Ham's Son. Thus Canaan descendants the "Canaanites" which settled in Canaan were the ones cursed by Noah. In fact when the Israelites moved into the promise land they were to remove the Canaanites due to their sexual depravity. This idea of Ham being "cursed" was one of the main reasons slavery was accepted by most Christian religions for centuries and another example of how some have used the Bible to oppressed various races down to this day.

    Gen 9:24 does say Noah cursed his youngest son which would be Ham however lets reason on that statement. Is it unusual for a grandparent to consider his grandson as his son? An extension of his loins?

    Gen 48:5,6 Records Jacob adopting Joseph's two sons Epharim and Manasseh saying they will become mine, but children after them will be yours...

    Even Adam was called a son of God since it was through him that he came into existence. Luke 3:38

    Even today a father or mother can claim their son-in-law as their son or their daughter-in-law as their daughter.
  • Steve Anderson on Romans 6:11
    We all know what jesus accomplished ... what i would like to know is how he did it. ???????????????
  • SkipVought - in Reply on Romans 6:11
    Steve,

    I'm not sure that "We all know what Jesus accomplished." I think that lots of people have written lots of books on just that topic over the past 2 years. But to mention just a few that come to mind from Colossians:

    "we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins"

    "by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him"

    "having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself"

    "you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses"

    "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross"

    "And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it"

    Just to site a few.

    But what do you mean by, "how He did it?"

    Can you be more specific what you're looking for?
  • Steve Anderson - in Reply on Romans 6:11
    All things have an order ,,, or a pattern especially in the word of God.. Even Jesus had to follow a pattern .. for he never did anything outside of the will of his father ... he always did those things that pleased his father never usurping his Authority..He would not have been able do those things he did if he had chosen to do his own will . Even in the Garden when it came time to fulfill the will of his father , he said NOT MY WILL BUT THY WILL BE DONE. He is the Cheif cornerstone of the temple , whitch temple we are , for his spirit abides in us .
  • SkipVought - in Reply on Romans 6:11
    Naturally, as God in the flesh, He did the will of His Father. Not to do so would be incongruous; that is, it would be God contradicting Himself. One cannot separate the Person from the total nature of The Godhead.

    The Father is fully God, but is not The Son or The Spirit.

    The Son is fully God, but is not The Father or The Spirit.

    The Spirit is fully God, but is not The Father or The Son.

    So your question to clarify still stands:

    "i would like to know is how he did it."

    What do you mean by that?
  • Steve - in Reply on Romans 6:11
    My Dear Bro..... let me ask you ,,, How do you believe he did it.... we know that He never relied on any thing or anyone but his Father . Everything he did he did in accordance with and by his fathers will... He even had to submit to his Natural Parents to fulfill all righteousness . He had to be baptized By John to fulfill all righteousness. this was part of the pattern .

    Baptism by Water, Baptism of the spirit and Baptism of fire... What was it he had to suffer ,
  • Steve Anderson on Romans 6:11
    What is the gospel of reconciliation ????
  • Chris - in Reply on Romans 6:11
    I've never heard of the Gospel of Reconciliation. Do you have a Scripture for this?
  • Steve Anderson - in Reply on Romans 6:11
    All through the scripture i see the process of God reconciling man back into a wright relationship with him...

    there are many scriptures that describe being reconciled ,, i would leave it up you to choose them in the context of what it means .
  • Chris - in Reply on Romans 6:11
    I think the most pertinent portion of Scripture on this matter, is found in 2 Corinthians 5:17-20. Others are: Colossians 1:20-22; Romans 5:10.

    I see that you understand its meaning, by what you've written. And that is, through the offering up & sacrifice of His Son, God no longer charges us with our past sins, but has accepted us in through the merits of Christ alone. And the enmity that existed between us, is now gone, having been taken away, thereby bringing our hearts & spirits into a real & vital relationship with the Father. So we can joyfully say, that we have been reconciled to God through His Son, having those sins that condemned us, taken away so that God may now accept us by the peace that the Cross brings to both God & man. So one of the fruits of the Gospel, would be the reconciling of the sinner to a Holy God.
  • Steve Anderson - in Reply on Romans 6:11
    Did Jesus die and resurrect to save sinners with there sin or sinners from there sin.... i believe that Salvation is a process of maturing in the spirit of Christ. I believe that Salvation is not the gift but is the result of the Gift... I believe that its all about Jesus its all about his Character . we are to take up our own cross and follow in his footsteps , not to say that we alone can obtain unto the High calling of Christ, for it is of him to will and to do of his good pleasure... its Christ in us the Hope of Glory , that is able to reconcile us back into an Holy and Unblameable relationship with God the Father.
  • Charles R Peek - in Reply on Romans 6:11
    Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures: 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"
  • Chris - in Reply on Romans 6:11
    Neither. I understand that the crucifixion & resurrection of Jesus was for the forgiveness of our past sins & removal of them that were held to our account. Hebrews 10:16,17: "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more." And, Romans 4:25: "Who (Jesus) was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification." Our sins placed on Jesus at the Cross have been taken away, no longer imputed to us & we remain justified (i.e. to be declared not guilty, absolved, acquitted) from any further recourse or punishment. When God looks at us, He sees us IN Christ & clothed in His Righteousness (& not our own which could only condemn us).

    Salvation, I believe is a once only event that was accomplished at the Cross & received through full faith in that Work. It can't be undone or re-given: we're either saved or not, or else, we show that we despise this great Work & count it of little worth. What you wrote, "that Salvation is a process of maturing in the spirit of Christ", I see that as the ongoing filling Work of the Spirit, as we continue to empty ourselves of that which hinders His Work. And when we do, He reveals to us more of Jesus, endeavouring to make us more like Him in every way. (Ephesians 3:19, 5:18).
  • Steve Anderson - in Reply on Romans 6:11
    The first four books of he new test,,,,, three tell us of Christ and what was accomplished the fourth the book of John tells us more about how it was accomplished ,, i could be wrong but that s what i see..
  • Steve Anderson - in Reply on Romans 6:11
    We are saved from our past sins,,,, we are being saved from our present sins and if we endure our own cross and overcome we shall be saved....PRAISE GOD.
  • Charles R Peek - in Reply on Romans 6:11
    We were saved from all sins, past sins, present sins, and future sin the second we believed Paul's Gospel to the Gentiles during the age of grace. Which is: 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"
  • Steve Anderson on Romans 6:6
    Mankind was cursed the day Adam chose to be his own God,

    Jesus overcame the curse, he was tempted in all points such as we are yet without sin,

    He always did those things which pleased his father.

    Jesus never gave himself to the lusts of the flesh, the lust of the eyes or the pride of life.

    HE NEVER KNEW INIQUITY,

    Ironic that Even Jesus could not accomplish what he did with out the spirit of his father abiding in him..


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