Romans Chapter 6 Discussion Page 4



 
  • Jesse - In Reply on Romans 6 - 3 years ago
    T39Ann,

    If "Once saved always saved are for those who stay in the Faith and do not sin again," what happens to a saved person that sins?
  • T39Ann - In Reply on Romans 6 - 3 years ago
    Hi, God bless and I hope I can help you understand via the Word and Holy Spirit. It is of a truth the Holy Spirit is being poured out opon all flesh, but that does not mean a person is saved. And Christ can not be with a person if they are NOT saved. So the answer would be: correct, recieving Christ comes after salvation.

    The word is very clear that even evil spirits know who the Son of God is. They do not worship Him, and that is why we must test the spirits. If there is no truth in a person then by thier words, as it is written, we can learn of what spirit they have or if they are lacking the Holy Spirit. Recieving the Holy Spirit can only be done by Christ, Jesus.
  • T39Ann - In Reply on Romans 6 - 3 years ago
    I can attest that there is such a person or two that was once baptized even as the Word states in His Holy Precious Name, but they were not sincere in thier salvation and loved wickedness and even one of them denounced "Faith", turning to worshipping idols, will for sure see Hell. Once saved always saved are for those who stay in the Faith and do not sin again. All Sin is unbelief and all unbelief is sin...without belief and salvation (both are obedience) a person has no hope for eternal life. Then all that is left is a fearful waiting for the firey indignation as the Word states. That was thier choice, God abliged. Infirmities and iniquities are different. We still can make mistakes.
  • Sunday Alaka Ogechi on Romans 6:14 - 3 years ago
    The strongest motives against sin, and to enforce holiness, are here stated. Being made free from the reign of sin, alive unto God, and having the prospect of eternal life, it becomes believers to be greatly concerned to advance thereto. But, as unholy lusts are not quite rooted out in this life, it must be the care of the Christian to resist their motions, earnestly striving, that, through Divine grace, they may not prevail in this mortal state.
  • Fred on Romans 6:16 - 3 years ago
    Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.or if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.Freedom comes from God , that is why we cry Abba Father!Jesus said to Nicodemus,If I tell you earthly things and you believe not ,how will you believe if I tell you of heavenly things! The kingdom of heaven is within you. We worship Him in truth and in Spirit! To know Him is to love Him!
  • CARLOS RAMIREZ TREVINO - In Reply on Romans 6:16 - 3 years ago
    Generally, Christians have argued against Hypnosis because:

    1. It isn't reliable

    2. There is a fear it might be associated with spiritual mysteries that make us vulnerable

    3. It weakens your spiritual defenses and allows an external force to control your mind

    However, done in the proper clinical setting, by a trained Psychiatrist, it becomes another tool in the arsenal of medical treatments. I wonder if there is just a lot of superstition associated with it. But as Christians, I don't think we have to be afraid of it. There are many mind altering drugs we have to take for various ailments, but when done right, in a controlled medical setting, they should be safe. That is not to say we should just take anything and everything someone prescribes. But from my perspective, Hypnosis has its place in medical science.
  • Chris - In Reply on Romans 6:16 - 3 years ago
    Stephanie, I'll start this off with some thoughts. I would say that using Hypnosis is a sin even though not specifically mentioned in the Bible. Through it, a believer leaves himself open to more problems leading to sin, being no longer subject to clear, rational thinking & obliged to obey whatever is suggested.

    Hypnosis, as you know, is a science to place a person's mind into a state of subjugation, whether done by another or oneself. It effectively alters the critical thinking of a (vulnerable & willing) person to one of obedience regardless of the wishes of that person. It seems to have some benefit in helping those with lingering medical problems. However, the question is, as Christians are we permitted to let our normal critical/decision making minds become open to external commands that would otherwise be rejected by us? Or, in computer terminology, should we allow a downloaded file not be subject to a firewall and an anti-virus examination?

    Scriptures that come to mind: Phil 4:7; 2 Tim 1:7; 1 Pet 1:13, all speak about having sound, Christ-honouring minds that engage in a mental/spiritual warfare to keep them under subjection from outside forces. In fact 2 Cor 4:4 says "the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not". We can get the sense here, that their minds were veiled, or even affected/hypnotized, so that they can't ever perceive that they're believing a lie. I realize that I'm adding 'hypnosis' here, but I can see how this can be applied to the response of those so affected.

    So, it comes down to: Who has control over our minds/our lives? The Bible says that we must at all times be in control over it, even to the avoiding of substances that would diminish that control or even allowing external forces (people or demons) to gain control over us. When we use the Holy Spirit's Power in our lives, then we should never allow another to take it over nor allow hypnosis to become a play thing as is often done these days.
  • Stephanie on Romans 6:16 - 3 years ago
    Could we open Hypnosis up for discussion. Why is Hypnosis a sin? I have just been called to the ministry. Could we keep our answers as clear and simple as possible. Thanks so much and God Bless You.
  • Joselyn Molina not a prophetess or teacher just a believer on Romans 6:3 - 3 years ago
    we are baptized into Christ (not by water) but by the Spirit the moment we believe!

    1 corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

    Galatians 20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

    Ephesians 1:12-14 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
  • James on Romans 6 - 3 years ago
    Does ether bible talk about eating shellfish.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Romans 6 - 3 years ago
    Hello Deason,

    I think the sin we repent of is the sin nature we are born with. It's not just the sin of unbelief, but all sin that we must repent of. I do think the demons both know of Jesus and know who He is. They know and believe He is the Savior of the world, they just won't submit to Him. They also know about His second coming. So they believe. The demons in Matthew Chapter 8 knew Him. They gave a perfect confession of who Jesus is. So yes, I would say they know Him.

    I am just curious, have you received Christ, and have you been born of His Spirit? If so, that would be good enough for me, and I would say praise the Lord for that!
  • Deason K Baybayan III - In Reply on Romans 6 - 3 years ago
    Yes Jesse, the devils know of Jesus Christ but not know Him. Just like many people "know of" Jesus Christ today but never believe in Him. In the context of James, James says that they, the religious people, know that there is one God and they do well but that knowledge is not enough for salvation. Even the pope recognize, confess that He is the Son of God but will suffer the condemnation of His wrath unless he repents. My friend, the only sin that needs to be repented of for salvation is the sin of unbelief. Aloha
  • Jesse - In Reply on Romans 6 - 3 years ago
    Deason, I would have to say that the devils, more accurately translated demons, they do believe in Jesus. They know exactly who He is. In Matthew 8:28-34 when Jesus healed the two demonics, notice the confession of the demons: They said what do we have to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? Art thou come hither to torment us before the time.

    They know who Jesus is. They recognize Him, and they confess who He is, Thou Son of God.

    Also, you say you don't need to believe the whole bible to be saved. I agree. You don't have to believe any of the bible to be saved. The bible does not save you, Jesus Christ does. A person can still be saved without any knowledge of the bible. What sins are you referring to that a person does not need to repent of?
  • Adam - In Reply on Romans 6 - 3 years ago
    Hi Deason, it appears that Jesus and the Bible disagrees with that belief. Previously cited scriptures among others are proof- you still didn't address those. Jesus directly said you need to repent and He said you need to obey Him. It sounds like you're trying to disagree with Jesus. No one is going to win an argument against Jesus. May God bless you.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Romans 6 - 3 years ago
    Hello again Deason. It looks like we have a different understanding of the salvation process. Scripture tells me that the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost/Spirit of God/and Spirit of Christ are all the same Spirit. You say that when we are saved, the Spirit of God quickens in us, gives us life, teaches us the truth, seals us, etc. To that, I say amen!

    You then say without the Holy Ghost you cannot receive Christ. How does that work? If you have the Holy Ghost, who has sealed you, wouldn't you have Christ also? It's His Spirit. Are you saying that receiving Christ comes after salvation?

    When we receive Christ, He gives us His Spirit/Holy Ghost. Would you say that a man can believe the truth of the everlasting gospel, but still refuse to surrender their life to Christ? I would say yes. The person who refuses to surrender their life to Christ will never be saved, no matter what truth they believe. Belief is important, but if it doesn't cause us to surrender to Christ, there is no salvation.
  • Deason K Baybayan III - In Reply on Romans 6 - 3 years ago
    Aloha Adam, first, the devils don't believe in Jesus, they believe that there is one God. Believing that there is one God won't save anyone. Believing the gospel of Jesus Christ will save you. To obey Jesus Christ is to believe His words and His promise. He said, "He who believes has everlasting life". Every word that He teaches on salvation is based on faith. James talks about works because he is not God, James cannot look into a mans heart and see faith but God can. For a man to prove to another man that he is saved he must show works. But before God his works is filthy. You don't need to believe the whole bible to be saved, you don't need to repent of all your sins either. Aloha
  • Adam - In Reply on Romans 6 - 3 years ago
    Hi Deason, the reason I think that believing in Jesus isn't enough is that the Bible already says that believing isn't enough. Even satan and demons know the truth and believe in Jesus, so do you think they're saved? James 2:19, if obedience wasn't important, then why did Jesus say it was? He said you don't love Jesus if you don't obey Him. So, for those who disobey Jesus, do you think it's likely that you go to heaven and be rewarded as much as those who spent their life in service and obedience to Him? Romans 2:6 Satan wants to deceive Christians into believing you don't have to be obedient because he's trying to get more people to go to hell. James 2:26. And what about the many verses saying to repent and confess of your sin? Matthew 4:17 If it wasn't necessary then why did Jesus say it was? If obedience wasn't necessary, why would Jesus say it was? The real question is does someone fully believe the Bible and do they truly believe Jesus? Matthew 7:22
  • Deason K Baybayan III - In Reply on Romans 6 - 3 years ago
    We are saved by faith not of works. Yes, if we believe the truth then the good fruit will be good works. I just want to make it clear that any mans work for salvation is worthless because Christ came to do the works of God. He did it perfectly and He finished it. Now, all men who believe the gospel of Jesus Christ are counted righteous not by the deeds of the law but by faith. God is looking down on this planet with 7 billion souls living here, He is looking in the heart of men and will He find faith? Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God. The only way men can have faith is by men proclaiming the gospel of Jesus Christ. Aloha
  • Deason K Baybayan III - In Reply on Romans 6 - 3 years ago
    Aloha Jesse, thanks for responding. Yes, the devils believe there's a God but they will perish, the same with men. Believing in God won't save you, believing in the gospel of Jesus Christ will. Yes belief and faith alone can't save anyone if it is not based on the truth. But any man that believes the truth of the everlasting gospel is saved. When we are saved, the Spirit of God quickens in us, gives us life, teaches us the truth, seals us, etc. Without the Holy Ghost you can not receive Christ, He is the One that will bring you to the cross and reveal Who the Son of God is. Just like Christ, you cannot come to the Father except through the Son. It is Jesus Christ Who brings us to the Father.
  • Adam - In Reply on Romans 6 - 3 years ago
    If you love Jesus, obey His commandments. John 14:15 If you don't obey His commandments then you don't love Jesus. If you don't love and follow Jesus you won't be with Him in heaven for eternity. It's pretty simple. You were given the freewill to choose and many will not chose the narrow path, but will believe satan's deception that it's ok to do evil, that you don't need to try or make effort to do anything good, etc. Matthew 7:22-23
  • Jesse - In Reply on Romans 6 - 3 years ago
    Deason, I agree that a Christian is someone who has been born again of God's Spirit, or Holy Ghost, and believing the gospel is also important. But wouldn't you agree that belief in itself is not enough to save a person, that they have to receive Christ in order to be saved? James 2:19 says that even the demons believe. But their belief does not save them.

    I am not trying to discredit anything you are saying, and I agree with everything you said for the most part. I just didn't see any mention about receiving Christ. You are spot on about eternal life, and about people who claim to be Christians but have never been born again. I think you just described the people Adam is referring to in his post, the ones who claim to be followers, but then later denounce the whole thing. I don't think those people were ever saved to begin with. 1 John 2:19 describes the people Adam is referring to. Those people were never saved, even though they were "followers," proving John's point!
  • Seventh day is sabbath - In Reply on Romans 6 - 3 years ago
    Deason K. ( James 2:26) For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. ( James 2:17) Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. ( James 2:18) Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Read James 2:19-24..I am not trying to work my way to heaven, by my faith I will have good works, faith and works go hand in hand, if you have one without the other than it is not complete..That's why Matthew 7:20 says By their fruits ye shall know them. May God bless you.
  • Deason K Baybayan III - In Reply on Romans 6 - 3 years ago
    We are saved by grace through faith, and justified by faith. Your works are dead if your working for eternal salvation. The moment you believed the gospel of Jesus Christ is the moment you inherited everlasting life. You have been made a new creation, not of your will but of the will and power of the Spirit of God. If there is anything you must repent of, it is your unbelief of the promise of everlasting life through the Lord Jesus Christ.
  • Deason K Baybayan III - In Reply on Romans 6 - 3 years ago
    A Christian is someone who is born again by the power of the Holy Ghost. To be born again you must believe the gospel of Jesus Christ, that He died for your sins, He was buried, and He rose on the third day. By believing the gospel God gives you everlasting life. If you have everlasting life how can you die? Your flesh will die because of sin but your soul and spirit are saved because of the righteousness of faith in Christ. Now there are a lot of people who call themselves "christians" but are not born again. Do you know for sure that if you were to die today, you will go to heaven?
  • Sophia Acha - In Reply on Romans 6:7 - 3 years ago
    The good news of the Gospel is that God so loved the world that he sent his one and only son for whosoever believe would not perish, but would have eternal life ( John 3:16). We are called to have faith (believe) that our savior, Jesus Christ, came to take on all the punishment of our sin and drank the whole cup of the wrath of God and was crucified in our place, was separated from God, so that we would not have to be. He died an undeserving death (for he was perfect so the grave could not hold him), so that we wouldn't have to die an eternal death separated from God. We can only be justified (cleansed) by faith alone through Christ alone. Salvation is a gift from a loving God.
  • Sophia Acha - In Reply on Romans 6:7 - 3 years ago
    In regards to "dust you are and to dust you shall return, ( Gen 3:19)" the Bible is talking about physical death. It isn't referencing spiritual death. We can see through passages like Psalm 30:3, Psalm 55:15, or even more direct verses like Revelation 21:8, Mathew 25:46, 2 Thessalonians 1:9, that there is a spiritual second death where people are sent down to the realm of the dead. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God ( Rom 3:23), the gospel news is that sin was defeated through the death of Christ on the cross which reconciles that he both a loving God, and a HOLY God. If the sin's punishment (eternal separation from God) did not exist, then God could not be called Holy.
  • Richard castillo - In Reply on Romans 6 - 4 years ago
    Thank you for your prayers and please keep them up it helps to know that others struggle with the same thing I am it gives me hope.
    Respectfully
    rich
  • Richard castillo - In Reply on Romans 6 - 4 years ago
    Thank you for your prayers
  • Anonymous Sibling in Christ Part III - In Reply on Romans 6 - 4 years ago
    And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding. So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine. And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters. And they that kept them fled, and went their ways into the city, and told every thing, and what was befallen to the possessed of the devils. And, behold, the whole city came out to meet Jesus: and when they saw him, they besought him that he would depart out of their coasts." "And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus
  • Anonymous Sibling in Christ Part II - In Reply on Romans 6 - 4 years ago
    So, it MAY help the sins to go away, the more you feed your Christianity muscles. Just like you get stronger by going to the gym and lifting weights for your body's muscles, or a marathon runner gets faster and gains more endurance the more they run/train. So to, with fighting off the spiritual darkness that wants us to FAIL! Also, there's POWER in calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ OUT LOUD! I am not the only one who has experienced this! You can pray silently, maybe praying aloud will help? But yes, Saying the Lord's FULL NAME OUT LOUD-remember the devils KNOW and OBEY HIM! "What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?


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