Romans Chapter 4 Discussion

  • Juan Gertzen on Romans 4:17
    I see a lot of people twist the verse, and say we are on the same level of God? We are on the same level and can do the same things as He? Were is that part of verse? Dear brother and sister it is a ability we dont have. Only God can call things into existence. If we say its ability we have we take scripture out of context. Who wanted to be like God and what happened to him? Be blessed.
  • Emeka johnson on Romans 4:5
    Thank you lord for your love you showed in the cross of calvary for my justificatio, thank you my father and my God for your mercy that counted in righteousness!
  • DARLENE M WARNICK on Romans 4
    looking for scripture :call that which is as it is not
  • Wanda S Williams on Romans 4
    I thank you for God's word released into my life, at such a time as this
  • Use of Cannabis on Romans 4
    To Ed George

    This is a comment that someone wrote in regards to Big Pharmacy and marijuana.

    When you think about it....Big Pharmacy does provide America with enough opioids to kill a planet. I see the point. What do you think?

    > commenter unknown. WRONG! Your research is ancient and full of old prohibition deception. Sounds like you're a religious pharisee and definitely a legalistic. Not all who say Lord Lord. You can twist and pull scripture out of context all day long. Once pulled out of context, becomes a pre-text. Doesn't work. There is freedom in grace. Not to be taken lightly of course. Our motives determine everything. I don't agree with recreational, however medical has saved the many from harmful pharmaceuticals something I'm sure your on the payroll for so of course you are going to claim cannabis is oh so dangerous. Big pharma is dangerous and deceitful beyond measure. Big pharma happens to be one of the biggest opponents of cannabis along with alcohol and tobacco. That sure says a lot.

    In Scripture we are to obey Gods precepts. There is nothing there regarding cannabis except to say do all things in moderation. As well don't offend your weaker brother. Again.. stop twisting scripture to suit those who keep your bank account full Big Pharma.

    ( Writer unknown)

    Mishael comment: I had 2 little brothers die from long term drug use. My view is rather harsh. Maybe we should talk about this?
  • Kaelyn on Romans 4
    Does this website use the KJV Standard edition from 1769 or 1900?
  • Adam - in Reply on Romans 4
    I think all KJVs in print and on the web today had a big revision in 1769 and a minor one around 1900s. People ask why and what the rationale was and there are books on that you can buy for every single letter, hyphen, punctuation, capitalization change. It didn't change the translation or meaning of course, but needed change to keep up with changing English language as it changed substantially from 1611 to present.
  • Mishael - in Reply on Romans 4
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  • Fredscanlan on Romans 4
    This chapter uses the word circumcision. If God wanted man circumcised,Why didn't He create man circumcised? Why is it used to show us what it is a sign of. Paul, a professor of the law, is moved directly to the heart of the matter! It is unfortunate, that the doctrine described is merely nothing less than a Jewish tradition, mans tradition. In the year 2020, we might think that this tradition is outdated, and perhaps may be! The point is this, Our father Abraham used it as a sign of the hope and promise from God ,not only to Him, but all that would believe after Him. It therefore should be made clear, that these words do not distinguish that a woman is any less than a man in the eyes of God! On the contrary, that the circumcision we now have is of the heart both of man and woman. This circumcision could be considered a cutting away of the pericardium. Extreme example, yes! That was my reaction after open heart surgery. What better way to get the point across.
  • Stanjett - in Reply on Romans 4
    circumcised? Most babies now days are circumcised at birth unless the doctor is told not to.
  • Fred Scanlan - in Reply on Romans 4
    Good point! Perhaps we should let the individual decide , unless like you say, the parents make the decision for them. It should not be automatic. While we are living in a world of equal rights, I wonder if the Lord would mind if I made a reasonable gesture (explanation) that they (the woman) may not feel slighted as it were too our equality before God? Being married, and understanding the complexity of the opposite party unlike the priest that guide us today.
  • Karlie on Romans 4:25
    For all have sinned come short of the glory of god Being justified friendly by his grace Through The redemption That is in Christs Jesus: But for us also, to whom it shall Imputed, If we believe on him that raised up Jesus up Jesus our lord from the dead,"

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  • Louise Beaulieu on Romans 4
    What 2 scriptures speak of resurrection in Roman's chapter 4?
  • Mishael - in Reply on Romans 4
    Romans 1:4

    And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

    Romans 6:5

    For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

    That's all there is.

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  • Mishael in SHEEP or GOAT on Romans 4:3
    Matthew 22:32-33...7:15; Ezekiel 34:12

    John 10:12, 8

    Luke 15:4-7

    1 Peter 2:5

    People are sheep, or a goat. Jesus is THE SHEPHERD. He will know who is what.

    There also are wolves in sheep's clothing and ravening wolves.

    If the sheep are lost, we need to take them over to 1 John verses 5-10; particularly verse 9. Show them how to get all that mud and stickers out of their wool. Baby Christians need to learn to run to Jesus and pray verse 9. Lay it all out and admit everything. They learn to love clean and Light.

    A new commandment 1 John 2:8-17

    1 John 3:10 in this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness, is NOT of God (a goat); neither he that loveth not his brother.

    Once I got to carry a "lamb" in intercessory prayer, for weeks. Someone desperately wanting to die. As soon as that person turned to God for help, I was released. If Jesus let's you carry a lamb you will never be the same person. Sheep, lamb, goat?
  • Benjamin on Romans 4:3
    who are the witnesses peter referred to in Acts 2:32 - the apostles (including Matthias) or the early church?
  • Jesse - in Reply on Romans 4:3
    The apostles, including Matthias were witnesses.

    From Verse 14 to 47 of Acts Chapter 2, Peter is giving the principles of salvation to the Jews. We know from Verse 14 that Matthias was there. But I believe he is giving his message to the Jews. The original language puts markers in for us so that we know how to break down the message. In Verse 14, it says "Ye men of Judaea." That's a marker. Another marker in Verse 22, "Ye men of Israel." And then Verse 29 says "Men and brethren." So Peter is speaking to Jewish brethren, the ones who were eyewitnesses to Christ's resurrection. Acts 2:36 seems to indicate that he's speaking to the Jews. They were witnesses of Christ's resurrection. We see in Acts 1:11, it says, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
  • Rev.Rick - in Reply on Romans 4:3
    It seems probable that Peter refers here to the whole 120 who were present, and who were ready to attest it in any manner.The matter which was to be proved was that Jesus was seen alive after he had been put to death. The apostles were appointed to bear witness of this. We are told by Paul (1Corinthians 15:6) that he was seen by more than five hundred brethren, that is, Christians, at one time. The 120 assembled on this occasion were doubtless part of the number, and were ready to attest this. This was the proof that Peter alleged; and the strength of this proof was, and should have been, perfectly irresistible.
  • Benjamin on Romans 4:5
    Thank you, Jesus Christ, for having mercy on a wicked sinner like me.
  • Bob on Romans 4
    I m impressed with a number of things here in Romans 4 , and I m not limiting the chapter by any way there is so much in the chapter worth reading many times ... that goes for all the word of God . 1 there is a blessedness that accompanies salvation , it s not an empty experience . And a person must not doubt but be fully persuaded to enter into this blessing that God gives . Be Humble
  • Thomas Beckjorden on Romans 4
    Reading my Bible makes me realize two things: one, I am flawed and thank goodness for Jesus Christ going to the Cross for my sin. Second, We must always v4:20 not doubt. I have doubted and not received. I will pray for strength and wisdom from God.
  • Bruce JAMES Seymour - in Reply on Romans 4
    It is Easter here in Australia.Thank you for allowing Jesus to be Crucified, for my sin.On the third day he will be RISEN.Praise God for his goodness.
  • Gina on Romans 4
    Believing like Abraham we have to believe that God has sent Jesus to us to save us . But we have the same blessings that Abraham has and he had faith and believes God for his righteousness and that we should believe in Jesus and his righteousness. We also are blessed through Jesus Christ. The blessings of Abraham are up on us through the circumcision of Jesus. Having faith in Jesus is believing .
  • Douglas G Wells on Romans 4
    Are works plus are God rightness is what made this nation so the. Nation of the United States of America we. Should not allow country god try control this nation of. Are just like Isreal did in old days. First the start right then they would other god to. To have concrol of the nation
  • BSP on Romans 4
    Verses 17 and 18- Jehovah God’s purposes are absolutely certain of fulfillment so he “calls the things that are not as though they were”.
  • A disciple on Romans 4
    KH; The seal of circumcision and the circumcised heart; the sign in the flesh of the covenant; and so we henceforth, the sign in our flesh of the Covenant of Christ, that we live not after the flesh, and are markedly set apart by our manner of life and good works: very nicely put! When the Lord gives us wisdom and understanding everything fits and makes sense, showing truth eternally applicable!
  • KH on Romans 4
    It is a true blessing to be forgiven. In the full context of the passage,Paul reminds us the Abraham believed first and then was circumcised. It was his seal that he had been redeemed likewise, our works are only our seal that we have been redeemed also. We are saved only by faith and that is the blessing. May our works always show who redeemed us.
  • A disciple on Romans 4
    "Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered." Romans 4:7 The elder Apostle John wrote, I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth. While we cannot change the past, we can be of the truth today and walk with a perfect heart toward God and man. What God respected about Abel and his sacrifice, was that he was a man of truth and being wholly of a good conscience and unfeigned faith, offered up sacrifice in honor and memorial of the Promise of Christ coming into the world wherein was ALL his standing and acceptance of God. While we're in this world, AS IT IS, we owe all to the Lord Jesus and what He has done to pay for our sins and set us free from them. We are blessed because we have Jesus!
  • GB on Romans 4
    Hi Jim, you are right with both, the confusion is that there are 2 programs. How you figure out the programs is stated in 2 Tim 2:15. Rightly divide the Word of Truth. Divide meaning to cut straight, you have to separate God's programs as He has. Mid Act's to Philemon are Paul's instructing God's children how to function the Dispensation Of Grace. The Gospels, early Act's - Hebrew on the Kingdom P
  • Kevin LaMonica - in Reply on Romans 4
    Amen, amen, amen!! Finally, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed!

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