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  • Louise Beaulieu
    What 2 scriptures speak of resurrection in Roman's chapter 4?
  • Mishael
    Romans 1:4

    And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

    Romans 6:5

    For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

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  • Mishael in SHEEP or GOAT for verse 3
    Matthew 22:32-33...7:15; Ezekiel 34:12

    John 10:12, 8

    Luke 15:4-7

    1 Peter 2:5

    People are sheep, or a goat. Jesus is THE SHEPHERD. He will know who is what.

    There also are wolves in sheep's clothing and ravening wolves.

    If the sheep are lost, we need to take them over to 1 John verses 5-10; particularly verse 9. Show them how to get all that mud and stickers out of their wool. Baby Christians need to learn to run to Jesus and pray verse 9. Lay it all out and admit everything. They learn to love clean and Light.

    A new commandment 1 John 2:8-17

    John 3:10 in this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness, is NOT of God (a goat); neither he that loveth not his brother.

    Once I got to carry a "lamb" in intercessory prayer, for weeks. Someone desperately wanting to die. As soon as that person turned to God for help, I was released. If Jesus let's you carry a lamb you will never be the same person. Sheep, lamb, goat?
  • Benjamin for verse 3
    who are the witnesses peter referred to in Acts 2:32 - the apostles (including Matthias) or the early church?
  • Jesse for verse 3
    The apostles, including Matthias were witnesses.

    From Verse 14 to 47 of Acts Chapter 2, Peter is giving the principles of salvation to the Jews. We know from Verse 14 that Matthias was there. But I believe he is giving his message to the Jews. The original language puts markers in for us so that we know how to break down the message. In Verse 14, it says "Ye men of Judaea." That's a marker. Another marker in Verse 22, "Ye men of Israel." And then Verse 29 says "Men and brethren." So Peter is speaking to Jewish brethren, the ones who were eyewitnesses to Christ's resurrection. Acts 2:36 seems to indicate that he's speaking to the Jews. They were witnesses of Christ's resurrection. We see in Acts 1:11, it says, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
  • Rev.Rick for verse 3
    It seems probable that Peter refers here to the whole 120 who were present, and who were ready to attest it in any manner.The matter which was to be proved was that Jesus was seen alive after he had been put to death. The apostles were appointed to bear witness of this. We are told by Paul (1 Corinthians 15:6) that he was seen by more than five hundred brethren, that is, Christians, at one time. The 120 assembled on this occasion were doubtless part of the number, and were ready to attest this. This was the proof that Peter alleged; and the strength of this proof was, and should have been, perfectly irresistible.
  • Benjamin for verse 5
    Thank you, Jesus Christ, for having mercy on a wicked sinner like me.
  • Bob
    I m impressed with a number of things here in Romans 4 , and I m not limiting the chapter by any way there is so much in the chapter worth reading many times ... that goes for all the word of God . 1 there is a blessedness that accompanies salvation , it s not an empty experience . And a person must not doubt but be fully persuaded to enter into this blessing that God gives . Be Humble
  • Thomas Beckjorden
    Reading my Bible makes me realize two things: one, I am flawed and thank goodness for Jesus Christ going to the Cross for my sin. Second, We must always v4:20 not doubt. I have doubted and not received. I will pray for strength and wisdom from God.
  • Bruce JAMES Seymour
    It is Easter here in Australia.Thank you for allowing Jesus to be Crucified, for my sin.On the third day he will be RISEN.Praise God for his goodness.
  • Gina
    Believing like Abraham we have to believe that God has sent Jesus to us to save us . But we have the same blessings that Abraham has and he had faith and believes God for his righteousness and that we should believe in Jesus and his righteousness. We also are blessed through Jesus Christ. The blessings of Abraham are up on us through the circumcision of Jesus. Having faith in Jesus is believing .
  • Douglas G Wells
    Are works plus are God rightness is what made this nation so the. Nation of the United States of America we. Should not allow country god try control this nation of. Are just like Isreal did in old days. First the start right then they would other god to. To have concrol of the nation
  • BSP
    Verses 17 and 18- Jehovah God’s purposes are absolutely certain of fulfillment so he “calls the things that are not as though they were”.
  • A disciple
    KH; The seal of circumcision and the circumcised heart; the sign in the flesh of the covenant; and so we henceforth, the sign in our flesh of the Covenant of Christ, that we live not after the flesh, and are markedly set apart by our manner of life and good works: very nicely put! When the Lord gives us wisdom and understanding everything fits and makes sense, showing truth eternally applicable!
  • KH
    It is a true blessing to be forgiven. In the full context of the passage,Paul reminds us the Abraham believed first and then was circumcised. It was his seal that he had been redeemed likewise, our works are only our seal that we have been redeemed also. We are saved only by faith and that is the blessing. May our works always show who redeemed us.
  • A disciple
    "Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered." Romans 4:7 The elder Apostle John wrote, I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth. While we cannot change the past, we can be of the truth today and walk with a perfect heart toward God and man. What God respected about Abel and his sacrifice, was that he was a man of truth and being wholly of a good conscience and unfeigned faith, offered up sacrifice in honor and memorial of the Promise of Christ coming into the world wherein was ALL his standing and acceptance of God. While we're in this world, AS IT IS, we owe all to the Lord Jesus and what He has done to pay for our sins and set us free from them. We are blessed because we have Jesus!
  • GB
    Hi Jim, you are right with both, the confusion is that there are 2 programs. How you figure out the programs is stated in 2 Tim 2:15. Rightly divide the Word of Truth. Divide meaning to cut straight, you have to separate God's programs as He has. Mid Act's to Philemon are Paul's instructing God's children how to function the Dispensation Of Grace. The Gospels, early Act's - Hebrew on the Kingdom P
  • Kevin LaMonica
    Amen, amen, amen!! Finally, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed!
  • Jim
    Romans tells us the KNOW so salvation (I know I am saved by believing) and in the book of James tells us the SHOW so salvation (I will show you I am saved by my works)
  • Keith Holm
    Jim: YES! Thank you! I try to tell people that, Like the Book of James 1:22 says, "But be ye doers of the word and not hearers only, deceiving yourself. But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
  • Jim
    God bless you Ray321 !
  • Alex
    Not only was abraham the father of the circumcision but also of the uncircumcision in that he was a Heathen justified by faith, Thus the gentiles come under the new covenant by faith, The scripture forseeing that God wd justify the Heathen by FAITH Preached the gospel unto Abraham SAYING IN THEE SHALL ALL NATIONS BE BLESSED,Isaiah i have given thee as a covenant to the ppl and a light to gentiles.
  • A disciple
    "Now to him that works is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that works not, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." The Lord has told us we will be rewarded according to our works as showing what kind we are by them. But the redemption of our souls can only be by the blood of Jesus, and our salvation by faith and His grace.
  • Eric S
    Jesus simply states to the Pharisees that they are of their father the devil, who was the first murderer in that he caused Cain to slay Abel in the Garden of Eden. Jesus even states later that Abraham loved to see his day, then they said how could Abraham have seen you when you are only thirty years old, and Yeshua said "before Abraham was, I am". Then, the Pharisees picked up stones to stone him
  • Edna
  • Peter A. Okebukola
    The importance of faith for justification is underlined in this chapter. Abraham's faith is counted for righteousness. We should seek the cleansing of our sins from the precious Blood of Christ and have undying faith in God to be "counted for righteousness" We should also note that what God has promised in our lives, he is able also to perform.
  • Ray321
    Romans 4:7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Abraham and David sins were forgiven and covered back in the old testament, but our sins are all washed away , that's how God sees us. God sees us Holy, even though we are not outwardly. 2 Corinthians 4:16 For which cause we faint not but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed.
  • Douglas Gilbert Wells
    We should live by faith not on works so no. would say look at what did sham on that man
  • A disciple
    You have to read the WHOLE story; the Lord is saying that, although He knows they are the seed of Abraham, by their evil hearts of unbelief, and having no place for the truth in them, they WERE NOT Abraham's children, but the devil's children. "And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God."
  • Lu2677
    He did not call Abraham a liar, Insight 777, Abraham was a righteous man. John 8:44 Jesus is talking to the Pharisees.

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