Romans Chapter 14 Discussion

  • Rebecca39s on Romans 14
    Vs 17 chapter 14. The kingdome of God is not meet and drink, but righteousness joy and happiness in the holy ghost Joy can only be with happiness in the holy ghost her devotion to God makes her plight with the holy ghost untenable.. But can joy find happiness with the holy ghost or heavenly peace.
  • Carolyn on Romans 14:16

    ""Let not then your good be evil spoken of:" I thought this meant if you are a married man you shouldn't be seen in public with other women even if you say they are just friends."

    What should I say to him? He gets angry if I tell him he is wrong.
  • Chris - in Reply on Romans 14:16
    Hi Carolyn. Romans 14:16 shouldn't be forced to mean what you've suggested, about a married man being seen in public with other women. We can't pull out a Scripture & try to make it read something that it wasn't intended to do.

    This chapter is speaking of some of those delicate & difficult questions that arose at that time, in respect to the behaviour between Jew & Gentile believers. And these questions centred around food and observance of particular days, rites, etc. The Jewish converts expected that the Gentiles would also bind themselves to Jewish customs & adherence to Mosaic Laws. The matter of circumcision came up in Acts 15:1,2 and Galatians 2:3,4. Here in Romans chapter 14, matters pertaining to food offered to idols, Jewish fasting days, clean & unclean animals, and subsequently, judging another because of their belief & therefore resulting in not walking in love & understanding with each other.

    So verse 16: "Let not then your good be evil spoken of", tells us that as Christians, we should be aware that even though we might enjoy our liberty in Christ to do many things that might appear wrong in the sight of others (e.g. Jews, or those weak in faith or unlearned in the Scriptures), we should abstain from doing so, if it means that strife & controversy arise leading to unkind words exchanged & separation from each other.

    However, I do agree with you that a married man should be careful in how close he gets to other women: the time he spends with her or the places they meet for discussion, since that meeting, though maybe perfectly harmless & genuine, may easily be misconstrued by another. In that instance, I would use 1 Thessalonians 5:22: "Abstain from all appearance of evil." And if you need to share this with a man (a husband?), the Scripture can be used as part of a 'loving' discussion to the pitfalls in such an association, as well as a misunderstanding or gossip by others.
  • Carolyn Morgan on Romans 14:16
    "Let not then your good be evil spoken of:" I thought this meant if you are a married man you shouldn't be seen in public with other women even if you say they are just friends.
    A Ministry of PRAYER

    2 Corinthians 5:18-21

    And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the MINISTRY OF RECONCILIATION: to wit, that God was in Christ, RECONCILING the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us THE WORD of reconciliation. Now then WE ARE AMBASSADORS FOR CHRIST, as though God did beseech you by us: WE PRAY YOU in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

    For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

    Hebrews 2:17

    Wherefore in all things it behoved him (Jesus) to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make RECONCILIATION for the sins of the people.

    Ezekiel 45:15

    And one lamb out of the flock, out of two hundred, out of the fat pastures of Israel; for a meat offering, and for a burnt offering, and for peace offerings, to make RECONCILIATION for them, saith the Lord GOD.

    Daniel 9:24 finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make RECONCILIATION for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

    Leviticus 8:15

    And he slew it; and Moses took the blood, and put it upon the horns of the altar round about with his finger, and purified the altar, and poured the blood at the bottom of the altar, and sanctified it, to make RECONCILIATION upon it.

    2 Chronicles 29:24

    And the priests killed them (animals), and they made RECONCILIATION with their blood upon the altar, to make an atonement for all Israel: for the king commanded that the burnt offering and the sin offering should be made for ALL Israel.

    Comment: We are priests through Jesus. Our prayer life is important. We are bold through His righteousness. Be strong and faithful to pray.

  • Lauren - in Reply on Romans 14
    what a mighty purpose we have in Him

    and what a mighty privilege
  • James G Reese on Romans 14
    some one slams your right cheek turn the left cheek, today we are being punched in the nose are we to take that or to say its time to stand up for the lord?
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Romans 14
    Hi James,

    As I can't tell exactly your detail of "stand up for the Lord". Of coarse we are to keep our faith and hope till the end and never deny our Lord as in 1 Peter 3:15-17.

    The state of this world is much worse than many can plainly see. The things done behind the scenes are far worse than many people would believe. The deception going on in this world is huge.

    If you are implying maybe it's time to stand up and take our world back by force? I believe we are past that and that is what the "powers" of this world want. As their plans of "divide and conquer" are again deeper than any really know.

    I myself have come to peace with what is going on in this world. The only thing that matters, to me anymore, is being with the Lord Jesus Christ and our Father. Even though the earth, and the things in it, are so beautiful it is all vanity. We are all going to perish, our physical bodies, one day and to me that is my destiny and what I wait on daily. To be with the Lord where He is. Not in this world full of evil that is deeper than many know.

    I believe staying peaceful no matter what happens is a way of showing the Spirit of Christ in you. Did Jesus Christ or any of His Apostles fight when they were arrested, persecuted, then put to death? As I'm sure you know, no. They stayed innocent and when put to trial just let the Holy Spirit flow in them when asked questions. As Christ probably was the most quiet in His persecutions. 1 Peter 2:21-23.

    So as I just felt to write you this reply to show that violence is never the way and nothing good ever comes from it. It is better to stay innocent than to get involved with fighting. Of coarse this does not mean "don't speak the truth" or keep quiet when you see something wrong. Just don't let anger get you riled up too much. God knows everything that is going on. 2 Corinthians 12:9-10.

    My reply to you is from the heart. Keep the full armor of God, Ephesians 6:11-17.

    God Bless you in these tough times James.
  • Philip Christian Parks on Romans 14
    CHRIST; v.9 = Why did Paul use the title "CHRIST" rather than HIS proper name JESUS, or even HIS royal title LORD in this identification? The answer lies in the soteriological usage of the DIVINE Title.

    The title "CHRIST" translates from the Greek adjective root (transliterated "Christos"; pronounced "khris-TOS"), meaning "anointed".

    The Old Testament Hebrew MESSIAH and the New Testament Greek CHRIST are synonymous, both identifying LORD JESUS CHRIST (cp. Jn. 1:41).

    While the proper name "JESUS" identifies HIM as one of the Three DIVINE PERSONS of The GODHEAD, the title "CHRIST" designates JESUS as The MESSIAH within the TRIUNE GODHEAD. GOD appointed JESUS as HIS solely authorized CHRIST and sent HIS SON to perform the Work of Salvation, and to occupy the Office of the Church's HEAD, Chief CORNERSTONE, and Chief SHEPHERD.

    Anointing someone means to apply a liquid or ointment on a surface and rubbing it in. For the literal application, compare how CHRIST restored the blind man's sight by anointing his eyes ( Jn. 9:6 & 11), or how James instructed the Church elders to anoint the sick with oil (Jam. 5:14).

    CHRIST's anointing (cp. Lk. 4:18; Ac. 4:27; 10:38; Heb. 1:9) appointed HIM to HIS Offices as the DIVINE PROPHET, PRIEST, and KING much like the Old Testament symbolic act of anointing a man to the office of prophet ( 1Ki. 19:16), priest ( Lev. 8:12; Num. 3:3), or king ( 1Sam. 10:1; 15:1; 2Sam. 2:7).

    GOD The FATHER anointed HIS SON JESUS CHRIST "with The HOLY GHOST and with Power" ( Ac. 10:38), thus appointing HIM the Ultimate and Supreme

    + PROPHET ( Mt. 13:57; Mk. 6:4; Lu. 4:24; 13:33; Jn. 4:44; Ac. 3:20-23),

    + PRIEST ( Heb. 3:1; 5:5-6; 7:24), and

    + KING ( Mt. 2:2; 21:5; 27:11; Mk. 15:2; Lu. 23:3; Jn. 12:15; 1Tim. 6:15; Rev. 17:14; 19:16).
  • Carleton - in Reply on Romans 14
    Hello Phillip, The Romans scripture may have been Paul trying to prove his point.

  • Philip Christian Parks on Romans 14:11
    Furthermore, Paul declared that such prohibitions directly insulted GOD WHO considered all HIS creatures "good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is Sanctified by the Word of GOD and prayer" (vv. 4-5).

    In summation, the Apostles including Apostle Paul, were in complete agreement over the reality that nothing was inherently unclean for dietary consumption. The only prohibition was consuming the animal's blood described in the expression, "we (the apostles) write unto them, that they abstain from things strangled, and from blood" ( Ac. 15:20 & 29). Eating an animal killed by strangulation meant no blood was shed during the killing and the preparation process for eating which permitted the blood to coagulate within the blood vessels.
  • Philip Christian Parks on Romans 14
    there is nothing unclean of itself; v.14 = The adjective "unclean" is the same word as "common" in Peter's protest to The LORD: "I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean" ( Ac. 10:14). Review the full footnote under verse two.

    Yet, Paul fully knew that believers came to their own conclusions based simply on their erroneous individual assumptions and personal preferences rather than on in-depth doctrinal comprehension and wisdom.

    Paul may well have been familiar with The LORD's discourse with the scribes and Pharisees over the trivial matter of eating without first washing their hands before handling their food. To this criticism, The LORD replied they hypocritically adhered to false "commandments of men" and enforced them as "doctrines" ( Mt. 15:9).

    Here ( Rom. 14:14), the adjective "unclean" describes anything Jewish converts to Christianity might deem ceremonially defiled, thus prohibiting its ceremonial use or consumption. This "uncleanness" included not only the unclean animals prohibited in the Mosaic Laws, but also any meat sold in the markets that idolators previously dedicated to pagan idol deities.

    Paul, through DIVINE Inspiration, instructed Christian believers not to consider this meat unclean for dietary consumption. To avoid needless personal concern regarding the meat's prior history, Paul simply instructed, "Whatsoever is sold in the shambles {meat markets}, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake" ( 1Cor. 10:25).

    Additionally, in the context of First Timothy Chapter Four (vv. 1-5), Paul condemned any false religion which enforced man-made commandments "to abstain from meats, which GOD hath created to be received with thanksgiving (v.3). Such prohibitions were based on demonic "seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils" (v.1).
  • Charlene Cozart on Romans 14
    How does the Bible liken us to Elijah
  • Stewart on Romans 14
    How many days did it from Jesus' death to his resurrection? Friday-Sunday?
  • Cindy - in Reply on Romans 14
    He rose on the third day which was the first day of the week, Sunday.

    The day of His crucifixion has been debated between Wednesday and Friday before He rose on Sunday.
  • SkipVought - in Reply on Romans 14

    "And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and THE THIRD DAY he shall rise again." Mat 20:19

    "For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise THE THIRD DAY."Mar 9:31

    "And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead THE THIRD DAY:" Luk 24:46

    "Him God raised up THE THIRD DAY, and shewed him openly;" Act 10:40

    "And that he was buried, and that he rose again THE THIRD DAY according to the scriptures:" 1Co 15:4

    Friday was the first day, Saturday, the second, Sunday the third.
  • Ron - in Reply on Romans 14
    Hi, Stewart, This is hard to show in a short post but here goes. Good Friday has been a tradition for many years. If we go back to the 1st Passover which this Passover should match the lamb was taken up on the 10th of Nisan and sacrificed on the 14th. We must keep in mind the Jewish day begins and ends at sundown. Jesus fulfilled the feast of Passover so, it was the same as the first. We see in John 12:1 Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead. The next day Jesus rode into Jerusalem. That would be 5 days until Passover that would be as called today Palm Sunday, Sun.10th of Nisan, the next day Mon.11th, Tue.12th, Wed.13th, Thur.14th of Nisan the Passover day. The next day is Fri the 15th the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread which is a holy day.

    Jesus said he would be in the grave for 3 days and 3 nights. Some say Fri, Sat, Sun. on the third day. Ok, first we know Jesus was crucified on Passover day but Passover day is also a preparation day for the Feast of Unleavened Bread because that is a holy day and no work could be done except to eat. John called it a high day. When the sun went down Wednesday13th it became Passover day the night of the Lord's Supper. In the garden, the betrayal, arrest, trial, and crucifixion all were done before the sun went down that started the 15th, the night they ate the Passover. Remember the days start and end at sundown.

    Fri.day15th=1day Sat. night16th=1night Sat. day16th =1day Sun, night17th =1night all equal 2 days and 2 nights Jesus rose before the sun came up.

    Thur. day=1day Fri. night=1night Sat night =1night=1night Sun night=1night Jesus rose befor the sun came up. All = 3 days and 3 nights.

    I hope this was not too confusing but if you read in Exodus the first Passover will help. Many think they ate the Passover meal on the 14th but it was eaten the night of the 15th, that is part of the confusion. Ron
  • Darren Croft - in Reply on Romans 14

    "the 6th trumpet the 2nd woe. If we read Revelation 11 and Revelation 12 it was the third woe the final woe"

    You misspoke. The 7th trumpet is the 3rd woe.

    I must say this is a defining moment. You almost had me...

    Revelation 12:12 will just have to wait a little season. Rev 12:12 will be given robes like their fellow servants.

    God Bless America
  • Stewart - in Reply on Romans 14
    That is confusing. I'm new.

    I and I's is logical.

    Thank you

    Bless you!
  • Ron - in Reply on Romans 14
    Hey Stewart, Sorry for any confusion. If you study from Matthew 21-28, Mark 11-15 Luke 19-22 John12-13 This covers after Jesus rode into Jerusalem to when he was crucified. You can study and decide for yourself what day Jesus was crucified. Remember a Jewish day starts and ends at sundown. Here is a few verses may help. Read Luke 22:15-16 and John 18:28. One thought if Jesus was crucified on Wednesday the next day would be the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, that would be a holy day and they could have gone to the tomb on Friday.

    The day Jesus was crucified is a discussion that should not cause division or confusion so, let the Spirit lead you and the scriptures interpret the scriptures for yourself, what we do is done unto the Lord.

    God bless, Ron
  • Vince - in Reply on Romans 14
    To Stewart.

    Take it slowly. It's not meant to be quick. Understanding is like that. Remember Adam and Eve in the garden? They lacked understanding. But after receiving the spirit of evil by eating the forbidden fruit, then understanding started to grow in them. God bless you
  • Stewart - in Reply on Romans 14
    spent 3 days on web looking at all different theory's,,, dozens of them. 2 men say there Jesus,,,1 of them must be wrong. the pool is poisoned,,,
  • Vince - in Reply on Romans 14
    Hello again Stewart,

    I'm not quite understanding your post to me. Could you be so kind to clarify "2 men say there Jesus." Thanks. God bless you
  • I and I - in Reply on Romans 14
    Jesus was crucified on Wednesday, before the high sabbath

    Jesus died Wednesday at sundown and was removed from the cross because of the high sabbath

    Jesus was resurrected Saturday at sundown beginning the weekly sabbath.

    From Wednesday at sundown to Thursday at sundown = 1 day

    From Thursday at sundown to Friday at sundown = 2 days

    From Friday at sundown to Saturday at sundown = 3 days
  • Vince - in Reply on Romans 14
    Friday,Saturday and rose Sunday morning. A evening and the next morning is a day according to the creation story. So Friday evening to Sunday morning is 3 days. God bless you
  • Susan Hicks - in Reply on Romans 14
    How do you possibly get 3 full days starting from Friday-Sunday? God grief Good Friday has got you sussed.

    fri/sat @morn

    sat/sun @morn

    sun/mon @morn = 3 full days or 72 hours

    How can that possibly be right, and how can you teach that. You are guessing!!!
  • Vince - in Reply on Romans 14
    To Susan Hicks,

    Biblically the first SECOND in a day is considered a whole 24 hour. So even though Jesus was crucified and buried Friday evening, that's 24 hours, all day Friday. He laid in the tomb the whole day Saturday, "SABBATH." He rose from the grave early Sunday morning, a whole 24 hour. A day biblically is 24 hours. Hope you see. God bless you
  • Vince - in Reply on Romans 14
    Everyday starts by a second, then to a minute, then to a hour and so on. At that very second a day starts, it's considered an entire day according to the Bible. This is why God says to Adam, "in the day you eat," meaning the whole day. The very word day means 24 hours. God bless you
  • I and I - in Reply on Romans 14
    The Israelites day ended at sundown. So, Monday at sundown became Tuesday morning about 6 pm.

    You have to take into account that Jesus was crucified before the "high sabbath" (feast of Unleavened bread), which was separate from the weekly sabbath (Friday at sundown through Saturday at sundown).

    JESUS WAS CRUCIFIED IN THE MIDST OF THE WEEK = Wednesday ( Daniel 9:27).

    The Roman soldiers had to remove His dead body from the cross at sundown, Wednesday, by Jewish law.

    Jesus was resurrected Saturday at sundown, at the end of the weekly sabbath, beginning Sunday (Sunday is the 1st day of the week).

    Listen to this: "Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils." Mark 16:9
  • Vince - in Reply on Romans 14
    To talk about JESUS, is a transcending of all cultures and times. Jesus is not and cannot be only for one people or one race of people. His death on the altar of the cross is for chosen people of all nations and tongues of the whole world. This is the greatest LOVE of all. God bless you

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