Romans Chapter 14 Discussion



 
  • Free - in Reply on Romans 14
    Dear "Wade Harrids" Acts 2:38 are words that many are saved by, and are my favorite words. It also says that: If there are any pp who doubt whether they should be baptized with water, they usually repent, as they understand the word here. Amen

    Personally, i believe that a water baptism is a covenant of good conscience with the Lord. This is also confirmed by one of the Apostles in:

    1 Peter 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: Amen.

    Personally, i also think we can change the tactics with water burial/baptism. Because many shy people don't actually get baptized. Because of the white apron they will dress with. Shows the most delicate things a person has.

    A proper baptism must take place in the person's own everyday clothes. You could probably say that they should be freshly laundered in that case. In the sea under the sky it is not so difficult. But there is probably chlorine in the baptismal font.

    God bless u and yours in Jesus name, love u in Christ John 7:10-24
  • Wade Harrids on Romans 14
    Can you explain Acts 2:38
  • Free - in Reply on Romans 14
    Dear D W I, am not a fan to ppl who always see what other ppl do. In Peace :) but what am afraid for is: Too be sleepy, so if its The Lord or not, i try always to remember too wake up. Like tonight, from northen Europe. The birds are not in sleep eighter.

    But then ill think of the web site KJV and my heart lifting up in the high, not sky yet. Here on the web with all my brothers and sisters i feel like home, yes indeed. A good place too be.

    Jesus will never leave anyone behind.

    But our brother Paul talk alot of sleepy ppl in

    1 Corintihans 15:6 15:18 :15:20 and may other places example in 1 Corintihans 11:30.

    Jesus talk about He will wake Lasarus up. Here i read a lot of sleepy/dead ppl who Jesus will wake. Or humbly am i wrong?

    Stay strong in the word of God, love u in Christ.
  • D W l on Romans 14
    Revelation 21:7 To him that overcometh shall inherit all things.

    Romans 14:17 The Kingdom of God is not meat and drink but rightness and peace and joy in the Holy Ghost.

    Not sure how after we inherit all things some may not have access to all of God's eternal Gift.
  • Rick Mentzer - in Reply on Romans 14
    Phillip That's what's written rewarded for out renewed mind walk in the spirit everything else forgiven

    and toasted. Reminds me of Jude verse 24.
  • Philip Christian Parks on Romans 14
    the Judgment Seat of CHRIST; Rom. 14:10= This expression occurs only twice in the New Testament ( Rom. 14:10; 2Cor. 5:10).

    Distinguish this Judgment Seat, before which only redeemed saints will stand, from that Judgment described as the "Great White Throne" Judgment, before which only the unredeemed "dead" will stand (read Rev. 20:11-14). These two Judgments are not one and the same.

    The expression "Judgment Seat" translates from the Greek noun root (transliterated "bema"; pronounced "BAY-ma"). LORD JESUS CHRIST will preside upon this Judicial Throne, and from which HE will Judge HIS saints according to their works, "whether good or bad", while living upon the earth ( 2Cor. 5:10).

    This Judgement Seat will not determine the saints' Salvation or even their qualifications to enter Heaven, for that was set at the moment of confession and belief in JESUS CHRIST as their LORD and SAVIOR. This Judgment will determine what rewards or losses every individual saint will receive or suffer according to their works (cp. 1Cor. 3:13-15).
  • GiGi again - in Reply on Romans 14
    Such a lovely, encouraging, and helpful post.
  • Come Back Here Often __we are Here for You - in Reply on Romans 14
    The Lord to bless you Alice. God will help you__Mishael

    Psalm 27:10

    When my father and my mother forsake me, then the LORD will take me up.

    Romans 8:15

    For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

    Ephesians 1:5

    Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to HIMSELF, according to the good pleasure of his will,

    There is no greater commandment from God than we are to love God and love others. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind, and all your strength. The second most important command is this: Love your neighbor the same as you love yourself. There is none other commandment greater than these ( Mark 12:30-31).

    The ultimate commandment is to love. When we love God, we trust God, we trust God's Word, and we want to obey all His commandments. We love our neighbor (family, friends, children and strangers), we treat them with gentleness, kindness, patient, hope, support, trust, forgiveness, and we believe in them. In the same way, when we love ourselves, we are positive in our actions and hope, we believe in ourselves, and we believe in our position in Christ. When we love others, we are obeying God's greatest commandment.

    Children's needs are small really: a bed, food, hugs and touch, a few special toys, a walk around the block to imprint where they live now, see other children. Assurance that you will never leave them; and that their mother is ok and they can talk to her in prayer. They don't need details unless they ask.

    When sin happens, we wait 30 mins for impatience and anger to pass. Discuss the issue, both parties decide appropriate "punishment" calmly. I took a favorite toy and put high up out of reach for an hour so they see it and long to be restored to it. Set a alarm clock.

    Yelling hardens the heart and resentment boils inside. Daily, read a few Proverbs & discuss their meaning.
  • GiGi - in Reply on Romans 14
    So sorry about your daughter. Such a huge loss, especially with the way she died. This is hard to go through. My prayers are with you. As believers, we just don't think about these things happening to our kids as they grow through childhood since they are being raised in a Christian home. It is confusing, because we do not know why God allowed this to happen when we have tried our best to bring them up God's way and provide a loving faith filled environment for our children.

    When awful things happened to my sons when they hit the teen years, I was blindsided, having thought that God would keep them due to the way we believed. I learned to pray every day for them since then. You are blessed to have two younger children, but surely you miss your daughter every day and grieve for her. Commit yourself to pray to God help. Grieve before Him. He will comfort you day by day. Pray for your other children more diligently than ever before.

    Lean on friends and accept help. Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. I really don't think we can ever draw as near to Him as is possible. e will be your strength through this time. He is the Mighty One. God's blessings on you and your family.
  • Alice - in Reply on Romans 14
    Good morning Jennifer, I'm so very sorry for your loss. 2 Timothy 1:12 b this load is to heavy for you, commit it to Christ, and He will carry your load. I have proved it true. Isaiah 53:4,5 and Matthew 11:25-28. Give yourself time to mourn, but when thoughts crowd in with "if only, would've ,should've, say no! That's God's business, He will carry you and give you strength for your small children. He will carry you close to His heart like a shepherd does a lamb, leave it with Him He is able. You are in my prayers.
  • Bro dan - in Reply on Romans 14
    Dear Sister Jennifer,

    So sorry for the loss of your daughter. Please trust in God, read your bible and He will strengthen you, and your faith will grow, and He will give you rest during this time of heavy burden. Here's some bible scripture that you may find comforting:

    Matthew 11:28-30

    28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

    29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

    30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

    Psalms 147:3

    "He healeth the broken in heart, and bindeth up their wounds."

    Psalms 73:26

    "My flesh and my heart faileth: but God is the strength of my heart, and my portion for ever."

    Psalms 34:22

    "The LORD redeemeth the soul of his servants: and none of them that trust in him shall be desolate."

    God Bless.
  • Rick - in Reply on Romans 14
    Hi Jennifer Gods knows your need better than anyone else, also he knows your heart, these are for the mind to heal, He sent His Word and healed them. Romans 5:1+2 Peace with God, greatest cargoes of life come in over quiet seas.

    Romans 8:28-39 more than a conqueror and nothing [think about that] can separate us from the Love of God which was in Christ Jesus our lord. You and God are not at odds anymore he is your Father and fathers meet the need of all His Children.

    1 John 3:1+2 Beloved now are we the Sons of God, also 3:20-22 he's there to answer prayer and needs during confusion quilt, condemnation, because he knows we will deal with this stuff.

    2 Timothy 1:7 Anything opposite of these three is not of God.



    Change your mind change your heart

    Put on in the mind Colossians 3:15-17 also Colossians 1:11-14 and Ephesians 3:14-20 notice how many times Christ is mentioned. We were saved by confessing Romans 10:9+10 and at that time we received the spiritual power that raised Him from the dead that why Paul wrote Christ in us the hope of Glory

    Ephesians 4:23-32 Putting on the new man in the mind that's why I said change your mind change your heart. Proverbs as a man thinketh in His heart so is he.

    Philippians 4:6-9 Be careful for nothing means anxious in verse 6, now verse 13 notice through Christ again that's the power that works in us.

    Colossians 1:11-13 we are strengthen with might and we have been made partakers of the saints in light its incredible.

    We have been made more that conquerors through Him that loved and loves us and those scripture are part of that. There are over 400 promises in Gods word to us who believe we can only do whar we know and act on.

    Prayerfully this helps.
  • Rebecca39s on Romans 14
    Vs 17 chapter 14. The kingdome of God is not meet and drink, but righteousness joy and happiness in the holy ghost Joy can only be with happiness in the holy ghost her devotion to God makes her plight with the holy ghost untenable.. But can joy find happiness with the holy ghost or heavenly peace.
  • Chris - in Reply on Romans 14:16
    Hi Carolyn. Romans 14:16 shouldn't be forced to mean what you've suggested, about a married man being seen in public with other women. We can't pull out a Scripture & try to make it read something that it wasn't intended to do.

    This chapter is speaking of some of those delicate & difficult questions that arose at that time, in respect to the behaviour between Jew & Gentile believers. And these questions centred around food and observance of particular days, rites, etc. The Jewish converts expected that the Gentiles would also bind themselves to Jewish customs & adherence to Mosaic Laws. The matter of circumcision came up in Acts 15:1,2 and Galatians 2:3,4. Here in Romans chapter 14, matters pertaining to food offered to idols, Jewish fasting days, clean & unclean animals, and subsequently, judging another because of their belief & therefore resulting in not walking in love & understanding with each other.

    So verse 16: "Let not then your good be evil spoken of", tells us that as Christians, we should be aware that even though we might enjoy our liberty in Christ to do many things that might appear wrong in the sight of others (e.g. Jews, or those weak in faith or unlearned in the Scriptures), we should abstain from doing so, if it means that strife & controversy arise leading to unkind words exchanged & separation from each other.

    However, I do agree with you that a married man should be careful in how close he gets to other women: the time he spends with her or the places they meet for discussion, since that meeting, though maybe perfectly harmless & genuine, may easily be misconstrued by another. In that instance, I would use 1 Thessalonians 5:22: "Abstain from all appearance of evil." And if you need to share this with a man (a husband?), the Scripture can be used as part of a 'loving' discussion to the pitfalls in such an association, as well as a misunderstanding or gossip by others.
  • Carolyn on Romans 14:16
    Carolyn

    ""Let not then your good be evil spoken of:" I thought this meant if you are a married man you shouldn't be seen in public with other women even if you say they are just friends."

    What should I say to him? He gets angry if I tell him he is wrong.
  • Carolyn Morgan on Romans 14:16
    "Let not then your good be evil spoken of:" I thought this meant if you are a married man you shouldn't be seen in public with other women even if you say they are just friends.
  • Lauren - in Reply on Romans 14
    what a mighty purpose we have in Him

    and what a mighty privilege
  • WE ARE AMBASSADORS FOR CHRIST on Romans 14
    A Ministry of PRAYER

    2 Corinthians 5:18-21

    And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the MINISTRY OF RECONCILIATION: to wit, that God was in Christ, RECONCILING the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us THE WORD of reconciliation. Now then WE ARE AMBASSADORS FOR CHRIST, as though God did beseech you by us: WE PRAY YOU in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

    For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

    Hebrews 2:17

    Wherefore in all things it behoved him (Jesus) to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make RECONCILIATION for the sins of the people.

    Ezekiel 45:15

    And one lamb out of the flock, out of two hundred, out of the fat pastures of Israel; for a meat offering, and for a burnt offering, and for peace offerings, to make RECONCILIATION for them, saith the Lord GOD.

    Daniel 9:24

    .....to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make RECONCILIATION for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

    Leviticus 8:15

    And he slew it; and Moses took the blood, and put it upon the horns of the altar round about with his finger, and purified the altar, and poured the blood at the bottom of the altar, and sanctified it, to make RECONCILIATION upon it.

    2 Chronicles 29:24

    And the priests killed them (animals), and they made RECONCILIATION with their blood upon the altar, to make an atonement for all Israel: for the king commanded that the burnt offering and the sin offering should be made for ALL Israel.

    Comment: We are priests through Jesus. Our prayer life is important. We are bold through His righteousness. Be strong and faithful to pray.

    Mishael
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Romans 14
    Hi James,

    As I can't tell exactly your detail of "stand up for the Lord". Of coarse we are to keep our faith and hope till the end and never deny our Lord as in 1 Peter 3:15-17.

    The state of this world is much worse than many can plainly see. The things done behind the scenes are far worse than many people would believe. The deception going on in this world is huge.

    If you are implying maybe it's time to stand up and take our world back by force? I believe we are past that and that is what the "powers" of this world want. As their plans of "divide and conquer" are again deeper than any really know.

    I myself have come to peace with what is going on in this world. The only thing that matters, to me anymore, is being with the Lord Jesus Christ and our Father. Even though the earth, and the things in it, are so beautiful it is all vanity. We are all going to perish, our physical bodies, one day and to me that is my destiny and what I wait on daily. To be with the Lord where He is. Not in this world full of evil that is deeper than many know.

    I believe staying peaceful no matter what happens is a way of showing the Spirit of Christ in you. Did Jesus Christ or any of His Apostles fight when they were arrested, persecuted, then put to death? As I'm sure you know, no. They stayed innocent and when put to trial just let the Holy Spirit flow in them when asked questions. As Christ probably was the most quiet in His persecutions. 1 Peter 2:21-23.

    So as I just felt to write you this reply to show that violence is never the way and nothing good ever comes from it. It is better to stay innocent than to get involved with fighting. Of coarse this does not mean "don't speak the truth" or keep quiet when you see something wrong. Just don't let anger get you riled up too much. God knows everything that is going on. 2 Corinthians 12:9-10.

    My reply to you is from the heart. Keep the full armor of God, Ephesians 6:11-17.

    God Bless you in these tough times James.
  • James G Reese on Romans 14
    some one slams your right cheek turn the left cheek, today we are being punched in the nose are we to take that or to say its time to stand up for the lord?
  • Carleton - in Reply on Romans 14
    Hello Phillip, The Romans scripture may have been Paul trying to prove his point.

    Carleton
  • Philip Christian Parks on Romans 14
    CHRIST; v.9 = Why did Paul use the title "CHRIST" rather than HIS proper name JESUS, or even HIS royal title LORD in this identification? The answer lies in the soteriological usage of the DIVINE Title.

    The title "CHRIST" translates from the Greek adjective root (transliterated "Christos"; pronounced "khris-TOS"), meaning "anointed".

    The Old Testament Hebrew MESSIAH and the New Testament Greek CHRIST are synonymous, both identifying LORD JESUS CHRIST (cp. Jn. 1:41).

    While the proper name "JESUS" identifies HIM as one of the Three DIVINE PERSONS of The GODHEAD, the title "CHRIST" designates JESUS as The MESSIAH within the TRIUNE GODHEAD. GOD appointed JESUS as HIS solely authorized CHRIST and sent HIS SON to perform the Work of Salvation, and to occupy the Office of the Church's HEAD, Chief CORNERSTONE, and Chief SHEPHERD.

    Anointing someone means to apply a liquid or ointment on a surface and rubbing it in. For the literal application, compare how CHRIST restored the blind man's sight by anointing his eyes ( Jn. 9:6 & 11), or how James instructed the Church elders to anoint the sick with oil (Jam. 5:14).

    CHRIST's anointing (cp. Lk. 4:18; Ac. 4:27; 10:38; Heb. 1:9) appointed HIM to HIS Offices as the DIVINE PROPHET, PRIEST, and KING much like the Old Testament symbolic act of anointing a man to the office of prophet ( 1Ki. 19:16), priest ( Lev. 8:12; Num. 3:3), or king ( 1Sam. 10:1; 15:1; 2Sam. 2:7).

    GOD The FATHER anointed HIS SON JESUS CHRIST "with The HOLY GHOST and with Power" (Ac. 10:38), thus appointing HIM the Ultimate and Supreme

    + PROPHET ( Mt. 13:57; Mk. 6:4; Lu. 4:24; 13:33; Jn. 4:44; Ac. 3:20-23),

    + PRIEST ( Heb. 3:1; 5:5-6; 7:24), and

    + KING ( Mt. 2:2; 21:5; 27:11; Mk. 15:2; Lu. 23:3; Jn. 12:15; 1Tim. 6:15; Rev. 17:14; 19:16).
  • Philip Christian Parks on Romans 14:11
    Furthermore, Paul declared that such prohibitions directly insulted GOD WHO considered all HIS creatures "good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is Sanctified by the Word of GOD and prayer" (vv. 4-5).

    In summation, the Apostles including Apostle Paul, were in complete agreement over the reality that nothing was inherently unclean for dietary consumption. The only prohibition was consuming the animal's blood described in the expression, "we (the apostles) write unto them, that they abstain from things strangled, and from blood" (Ac. 15:20 & 29). Eating an animal killed by strangulation meant no blood was shed during the killing and the preparation process for eating which permitted the blood to coagulate within the blood vessels.
  • Philip Christian Parks on Romans 14
    there is nothing unclean of itself; v.14 = The adjective "unclean" is the same word as "common" in Peter's protest to The LORD: "I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean" (Ac. 10:14). Review the full footnote under verse two.

    Yet, Paul fully knew that believers came to their own conclusions based simply on their erroneous individual assumptions and personal preferences rather than on in-depth doctrinal comprehension and wisdom.

    Paul may well have been familiar with The LORD's discourse with the scribes and Pharisees over the trivial matter of eating without first washing their hands before handling their food. To this criticism, The LORD replied they hypocritically adhered to false "commandments of men" and enforced them as "doctrines" ( Mt. 15:9).

    Here ( Rom. 14:14), the adjective "unclean" describes anything Jewish converts to Christianity might deem ceremonially defiled, thus prohibiting its ceremonial use or consumption. This "uncleanness" included not only the unclean animals prohibited in the Mosaic Laws, but also any meat sold in the markets that idolators previously dedicated to pagan idol deities.

    Paul, through DIVINE Inspiration, instructed Christian believers not to consider this meat unclean for dietary consumption. To avoid needless personal concern regarding the meat's prior history, Paul simply instructed, "Whatsoever is sold in the shambles {meat markets}, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake" ( 1Cor. 10:25).

    Additionally, in the context of First Timothy Chapter Four (vv. 1-5), Paul condemned any false religion which enforced man-made commandments "to abstain from meats, which GOD hath created to be received with thanksgiving (v.3). Such prohibitions were based on demonic "seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils" (v.1).
  • Vince - in Reply on Romans 14
    Hello again Stewart,

    I'm not quite understanding your post to me. Could you be so kind to clarify "2 men say there Jesus." Thanks. God bless you
  • Stewart - in Reply on Romans 14
    spent 3 days on web looking at all different theory's,,, dozens of them. 2 men say there Jesus,,,1 of them must be wrong. the pool is poisoned,,,
  • Ron - in Reply on Romans 14
    Hey Stewart, Sorry for any confusion. If you study from Matthew 21-28, Mark 11-15 Luke 19-22 John12-13 This covers after Jesus rode into Jerusalem to when he was crucified. You can study and decide for yourself what day Jesus was crucified. Remember a Jewish day starts and ends at sundown. Here is a few verses may help. Read Luke 22:15-16 and John 18:28. One thought if Jesus was crucified on Wednesday the next day would be the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, that would be a holy day and they could have gone to the tomb on Friday.

    The day Jesus was crucified is a discussion that should not cause division or confusion so, let the Spirit lead you and the scriptures interpret the scriptures for yourself, what we do is done unto the Lord.

    God bless, Ron
  • Vince - in Reply on Romans 14
    To Stewart.

    Take it slowly. It's not meant to be quick. Understanding is like that. Remember Adam and Eve in the garden? They lacked understanding. But after receiving the spirit of evil by eating the forbidden fruit, then understanding started to grow in them. God bless you
  • Vince - in Reply on Romans 14
    To talk about JESUS, is a transcending of all cultures and times. Jesus is not and cannot be only for one people or one race of people. His death on the altar of the cross is for chosen people of all nations and tongues of the whole world. This is the greatest LOVE of all. God bless you
  • Vince - in Reply on Romans 14
    To Susan Hicks,

    Biblically the first SECOND in a day is considered a whole 24 hour. So even though Jesus was crucified and buried Friday evening, that's 24 hours, all day Friday. He laid in the tomb the whole day Saturday, "SABBATH." He rose from the grave early Sunday morning, a whole 24 hour. A day biblically is 24 hours. Hope you see. God bless you


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