Romans Chapter 12 Discussion

  • Chris - in Reply on Romans 12
    2 Corinthians 2:7, should read 2 Corinthians 5:17. Apologies, don't know what happened there.
  • Chris - in Reply on Romans 12
    Hello Doug. Just to add to brothers Rick & Kent's wise advice, my thoughts first turn to 1 Corinthians 9:24-27. This speaks of not just a disciplined body to run the spiritual race before us, but we must note that the Apostle Paul's first act was to engage his mind in that direction. Without being fully convinced & fully focussed on winning the race, all other exercises to attain our goal will ultimately fail. Every professional athlete knows that it is both mind & body that are exercised & engaged to win the prize. A body that is prepared, but with a mind wandering on the concerns of family & other matters, or with having some doubt of winning, has already set a precedent for failure.

    And when Paul tells us in Romans 12:2, "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God", he speaks of changing the focus from off worldly matters & pursuits (though, we must still live in the world). Paul uses the Greek word that we know as 'metamorphosis', or to transform or change into a "new creature" ( 2 Corinthians 2:7) by first causing our minds to be renewed (re-focussed; in a new direction). And this can only happen when we first determine this in our hearts & minds, allowing God's Spirit to take full control, thereby causing us to have power to live for Christ & to live to make Christ known. And indeed, as already been said, our minds need to feed on God's Word that our spirits might be refreshed daily, giving "proof (in our hearts) of that good, acceptable & perfect Will of God" in our lives.
  • Kent Bass - in Reply on Romans 12
    Hi Doug,

    You renew your mind by reading and staying focused on the word of God. It will change your way of thinking to better align it with God's thinking.
  • Rick - in Reply on Romans 12
    Hi Doug Work the word daily and keep it first in everything you do. In practice work the Church Epistles they are written to us in this the age of grace the body of Christ,also the gospels then old testament. Its all Gods Word giving you my perspective. The church epistles give the doctrine reproof and correction on walking by the spirit in the body of Christ, Romans is the magna carta of Christianity, Ephesians is the spiritual pinnacle and Thessalonians is the gathering together or also whats known as the rapture of the body when Christ returns and we're taken up. God Bless
  • Doug on Romans 12
    How do you renew your mind?
  • Christian Noce on Romans 12
    I need clarification on the word conceits Romans 12:16.
  • English sacha - in Reply on Romans 12
    Hahaha ! A giant swimming pool full of puke ! You have a fab way with words Grace , thankyou for making me laugh and also cringe !
  • Grace - in Reply on Romans 12
    What's scary is a life outside of Jesus.

    Search out other young people who love reading the Bible. And anything to do with Jesus or God.

    Don't hear their words cuz if they say they love Jesus or are saved but don't have any good fruit like reading Bible ,praying, worshipping

    ( which usually includes looking upward and smiling with that sparkling I love you look in the eyes).

    And get saved out loud. Yes, in front of the church.

    Living life without Jesus is like swimming in a giant pool of other peoples puke mixed with your own! In other words, it's just awful! And it will make you feel that awful too.

    Jesus loves you. Take a step of faith. Be bold!
  • Mishael - in Reply on Romans 12
    Jesus is the one calling you. I felt exactly like you do. Like everyone was staring at me. They aren't. It just feels that way.

    Even tho you can't see Him, Jesus is at the front of the church. Walk towards him. Receive His salvation in a prayer. Write the date inside your Bible. Start reading it in the Book of John.

    He will never leave you, no matter what happens.

    We are here to answer any questions you need answers for.
  • Caylee alston on Romans 12
    I love this Bible it's so helpful in church I just whip out safari! But, I have a question I'm 12 so I prayed to myself and I think I'm saved and don't know if it means I am and,what if I'm scared to go and get saved??!!
  • Rebecca - in Reply on Romans 12:2
    What a blessing!! Beautifully put! Thank you
  • Donna Franks on Romans 12:2
    Micah 6:8 - He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

    John 7:17 - If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

    As we yield our members, servants to obey, we are led by His life in us.

    Walking not according to this world, but weighing everying thing in view of eternity.

    Christ in you, the hope of GLORY. Not willing that any should perish, we, by HIS GRACE bring light, transforming light must begin.....

    ..... that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

    Ephesians 5:17 - Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.
  • Warren Gibbs on Romans 12:16
    Herein there is no where the churches of our time have erred more greatly and especially in these United States. So far from condescending to men of low estate the desire of most gravitates toward those who are prestigious, and socially prominent. Thus for the most part only the well to do are found in the prominent places of our churches. This is in total contradiction of how it ought to be according to St. Paul as it is the POOR who are richest in faith, while the wealthy of this world, those most often given to greed and oppression should be those we trust the lest! It would be wise therefore we heed Paul's admonition and CONDESCEND to men of low estate, and let us thus prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God herein by putting some of our very poorest on our pulpit committees, and our Church boards to help direct things, rather then to only catering to our rich young rulers. Those poor among us in this worlds goods are not nearly as dumb as we seem to think. And if putting such like in these slots gives offence then so be it. We ought to just do it anyway. After all, who are we out to please? God or Man?!
  • Warren Gibbs on Romans 12:16
    Herein there is no where the churches of our time have erred more greatly and especially in these United States. So far from condescending to men of low estate the desire of most gravitates toward those who are prestigious, and socially prominent. Thus for the most part only the well to do are in found the prominent places of leadership in our churches here. this is in total contradiction of how it ought to be which is made so clear by St. Paul that it is the POOR, who are richest in faith, while the wealthy of this world being naturally greedy are most often oppressors! Therefore it is wise to CONDESCEND to men of low estate. Make sure poor folk are on our pulpit committees, our Church boards, and our board of directors, rather then to only be catering to the rich herein. The poor are not nearly as dumb as we seem to think, and if that means we must downsize than that is exactly what needs to be done. Who are we out to please? God or Man?!
  • Warren Gibbs on Romans 12:3
    It appears to me within the context of this passage certain believers in the church of

    Roam tended to feel they had callings beyond what was true. As such they thought too much of themselves. This for sure is often the case with those young in the Lord once they discover themselves to be in posession of spiritual gifts.
  • Virginia ulrich on Romans 12
    Yes, since John 8:33 Esau now resides at the holy city, and acknowledges that they are Esau, and, are responsible for the wars, plagues, sacrifice and torture of many millions of children, we have a problem, as also explained at Malachi 1:3-4.

    Esau, and Canaanites of pollution with fallen angel mating, plus those Masons and others who take imprecatory secret oaths to Satan, are spreading great hated and lies against The Creator, King of Heaven and earth, and, His Savior Son, who by His Blood Redeems us from eternal death if we truly love Him to live according to His Spirit and His Word. Now as Obadiah, Isaiah 63, tells us, as well as John 8:33-44, Matthew 23, Rev. 2 and 3 of the Synagogue of Satan. They have even polluted all institutions on the earth. They are also now destroying all creation, and have brought on the Mark of the Beast of Rev. 13:16, that tracks people by a matrix of computers over all the earth, and changes the DNA of our bodies that house the temple of our Savior and His Holy Spirit IF we choose the jab to be owned by Satan, instead. People are taking that Beast ownership Mark, which can not be undone.

    We have not called on The Holy Names that Never changes since the beginning. See Palms 91, daniel 9:19, Exodus 9:16, Matthew 23:39 in the institutions of the earth! Like the 10 virgins, we need to call on Our Father in Heaven, and Hallow His Name, and forgive our debtors as we want to be forgiven, and, pray for enough Holy Spirit in our lamps.

    At Declaration of Independence, last paragraph, we find THE CREATOR is our Judge! At Deuteronomy 17:8, hard matters are brought to Him for Judgement. Vengeance belongs to Him. He owns everything. Psalms 24. At Zephaniah 3, He Judges between His people and Satan. Isaiah 66, Hosiah 5:15 we find examples of The Creator's judgment. At Joel 3, we find The Creator gathering the people's of the earth of war, together for a feast of the condemned flesh for the predator animals of the earth.
  • Eve baptiste on Romans 12:7
    don't be like this World living in sin ,but change is important living a life for Jesus that is tranformation
  • Adam - in Reply on Romans 12:21
    Matthew 12:40 is only 1 piece of evidence as to the timeline

    Matthew 28:1 - says it was Sunday Jesus rose

    Mark 16:1 - same the same

    John 20:1 - same

    Luke 24:1 - very early in the morning the first day of the week (Sunday), even more specific.

    I think it's solid that Jesus was gone from the tomb by early on Sunday morning.

    Theory: maybe Matthew 12:40 doesn't mean Jesus's body in the tomb, but Jesus preaching to spirits in hades in the center of the earth? 1 Peter 3:18-20, Ephesians 4:8-10. Maybe his body was in the tomb from Friday to Sunday morning, but his spirit was in the 'lower parts of the earth' for 3 days and 3 nights. This is only a theory.
  • Brother Dan - in Reply on Romans 12:21
    Christians celebrate Easter because Jesus was resurrected on a Sunday, the 1st day of the week.

    To meet the 3 days and nights in the earth....Jesus could NOT have died on Friday.

    So since he remained in the earth for 3 days and nights...he died before Friday. We also know he rested on Saturday (Sabbath). He even honored the Sabbath in death - very important example for us.

    So a possible timeframe is Jesus died on Thursday, late day, and remained in the earth:

    Thursday night

    Friday morning

    Friday night

    Saturday morning

    Saturday night

    Sunday Morning for a period of time

    God Bless
  • Easter or Passover - in Reply on Romans 12:21
    "Easter" is only found in the Bible once. In Acts, I think concerning James being killed and Peter in prison waiting for Roman holiday (Easter) to be over.

    The Lord sprung Peter out of jail that very night!


    The Jewish/Christian holiday we celebrate, is:


    It was hard for me to get bunnies and Reese eggs out of my head too...
  • Mishael - in Reply on Romans 12:21
    Jesus had five half brothers, namely, James (Ya'qov), Simon (Shim'on), Judah (Yehudah), Joses (Yosef) and Thomas (Toma'). And he also had two half sisters, Rachel (Rakhel) and Lea (Le'ah).
  • James Michael on Romans 12:21
    The truth shall make you free.
  • Markcus Burch - in Reply on Romans 12:21
    Mark 6:3, Matthew 13:55-56, Mark 3:31-35.
  • PRIVRATE NOT SHOWN on Romans 12:21
    Who were Jesus's Brothers and sisters?
  • Barbara Benish on Romans 12:21
    If Jesus was crucified on Friday and to be in the grave 3 nites and 3 days, why do we celebrate Easter onSunday?
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Romans 12:21
    Richard, may the Spirit grace us with HIS wisdom and His understanding.

    When Christ returns with his saints to rule and judge this world then we will see:

    Isaiah 26:9 With my soul I have desired in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I speak early: for when thy JUDGEMENTS are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world WILL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

    Revelation 17:16-17 And the ten horns (overcomers, judges) which thou saw on the beast (man who does not have the name of their Father written in their forehead) shall hate the whore (those unfaithful to Christ their husband) and shall make her desolate and naked (judgement), and shall eat her flesh (judgement), and shall burn her with fire (judgement).

    (vs 17) For God has put in their hearts to fulfil his will (turn the other cheek, love your enemies), and to AGREE (with him), and give THEIR KINGDOM unto the beast, until the words of God be fulfilled.

    Revelations 15:4 ..... for ALL NATIONS shall come and worship before thee; for thy JUDGEMENTS are made manifest.

    Psalms 67:7 God shall bless us; and all the ends of the earth shall fear him.

    Isaiah 52:10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of the God.
  • Carleton - in Reply on Romans 12:21
    Amen brother Richard. Amen.

    These verses are for all of us!

    Matthew 16:17

    "And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven"
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Romans 12:21

    I feel to reply to your post and expand to what Carleton stated. In this wicked world we live in one of the most important questions we, those who follow Christ, can ask ourselves when a situation occurs is "what would Jesus Christ do"?

    It is right that the truth be spread and exposed. What is right and wrong. A big problem is the evil powers of this world own pretty much everything to do with mass communication. T.V., radio, internet, schools, etc and many people are brainwashed and deceived. Only a very small portion can be trusted to follow truth in whatever way. Although the devil mixes lies with truth to make it even harder for people to denote one from the other.

    As I have been following what has been going on with the powers that be in the world for probably the last decade. Violence and fighting physically accomplishes nothing but more violence and blood shed. What the evil one wants. People to destroy themselves, by dividing them in any way, for their gain.

    We, who follow Christ, are to live in peace. To turn the other cheek. To love and have mercy even on our enemies. Who I do not see as any other "person". It is the devil and the evil powers that be who control people in this world. That is what/who I hate. Not people. As I feel sorrow that they are being led to damnation. Hoping, and praying, one day in their lives they shall see the light and give themselves to the Lord. One more repentant sinner who has been saved.

    Here are a couple verses from the OT and NT for you. With Romans 12:21. Reading Romans 12:17-21 gives a better view. Fear not those who can destroy the body, but Him who can destroy both body and soul in Gehenna/Hell.

    Matthew 10:27-28.

    Ecclesiastes 5:8

    Micah 6:8

    Matthew 5:39-45

    Ephesians 6:11-17

    They that take the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52.

    Jesus Christ is the only way. Not fighting for this, or any, "country". "Vengeance is mine, I will repay, saith the Lord."

    With respect. God Bless.
  • Carleton - in Reply on Romans 12:21
    Jesus is the Lamb and I want to be like Jesus. Those who want to fight are plenty, those who want to be a lamb are few. The world will be the world to the end, it is corrupt and is close as our very flesh. But Jesus died for me so that I can have power over my lustily flesh to avoid revenge and power to love my neighbor as myself and present the message in this untoward world that Jesus is Calling.


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