Revelation Chapter 7 Discussion

  • Thedorse on Revelation 7
    In Genesis, God said Let Us Create Man in Our Own Image. All Things we're Created by God for His Pleasure. So Who is Us ? It's the Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost. In Matthew 3 :: When John the Baptist Baptized Jesus , The Son of God . The Bible says The Holy Ghost like in Acts 2 as Cloven Toungues of Fire is Literally Visible. And He , The Holy Ghost Descends on Jesus like a Dove. As this is Occurring, The Father Speaks from Heaven and says,, This is My Beloved Son in Whom I am Well Pleased. It's Impossible to Argue but Yet People will that All 3 Members of The Godhead are Present. And Each 1 is Completely Separate from the Other. Why is that ? Because They are 3 Separate in the Godhead , but Each is God. I had a Jesus Only Doctrine tell Me one Time when I Brought these Scriptures to His Attention. His Response was " Don't You think God could Stand on Earth and Talk to Himself from Heaven.. " And I said " Sure He could, but why would God Use Trickery and Deception. When He is not a Man to Lie or Repent. " I have never Understood the Conflict in Something that is a ABC Type Thing, a Fundamental to Learn Teaching. Why Man has went back and Forth, Wrote Books, Formed Entire Doctrines over Scripture a Child could Grasp. None of this is going to Disqualify Anyone from Heaven. But why are We Straining at Gnats and Swallowing Camels. Jesus is Coming like a Thief in the Night. But there is Good News, So We Must Always Remember that All Who Call Upon The Name of The Lord Shall be Saved. Amen.

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  • Crystalfaithe on Revelation 7
    And shall wipe all the tears from their eyes.
  • Baker - in Reply on Revelation 7
    Dear Adam , and T.Levis

    I've read where you both stand , but It is from experience that when this question is asked, the intention is to use it as support and or argument (for) the pre-trib rapture , either for now or in future discussions . As we , and they know , Either word is not in scripture , therefore claiming the method used for support of the Trinity (The Godhead) which is a Triune God , for the rapture . where scripture gets twisted .
  • GiGi - in Reply on Revelation 7
    T. Levis

    I do not think that describing the Godhead as a Trinity isolates believers. I think that it clarifies what Scripture speaks about the Godhead. Adam has often given many Scriptures that speak to the Godhead as a Trinity or Persons who is One in His Being. There is nothing about what Adm has said that necessarily isolates people.

    The Reformers you mentioned upheld the Scriptural teaching of the Godhead being a Trinity.

    I recognize that there are some who adhere to the Oneness doctrine you are speaking of, but the vast majority of Christians now and through the centuries attest to believing that the Godhead is a Trinity. I believe it was Tertullian who first use the term "Trinity".

    Paul mentions often to those he is addressing in his epistles concerning holding to doctrines that were taught by the apostles. So, there is nothing wrong with speaking about doctrinal teachings that can be supported by Scripture.
  • Adam - in Reply on Revelation 7
    Hi Estelle, the trinity (or Godhead) is mentioned in verses like 1 John 5:7.

    The Godhead is mentioned in verses like Romans 1:20.

    The KJV doesn't have the word trinity, but "Godhead" and uses 'we' and 'us' plural in places even though God is one. Galatians 3:20

    Some unfortunately use this as a weapon to attack who God is, so its worth noting that the word Bible isn't in the Bible either, but that doesn't mean it isn't one. The KJV doesn't have the word demons, but that doesn't mean there's no demons. It doesn't have "labor", "encouragement", "suicide", "anxiety", "honor", but they are still real and true subjects discussed within. So for any onlookers with questionable motives in their heart, this busts one of the most common strawman arguments dishonestly made against God.

    God bless.
  • Estelle on Revelation 7
    Is the word Trinity in the Bible??? If so please tell me where that scripture is
  • T Levis - in Reply on Revelation 7
    Going back to Genesis 49, note Genesis 49:17, also Genesis 48, note Genesis 48:5,6

    Deuteronomy 29:18-21, Judges 1:34, Judges 5:17, Judges 18, 1Kings 12:30, 2Kings 10:29, Amos 8:14,

    Revelation 7:9-17,

    Hope this helps explain for understanding
  • Rita Poe on Revelation 7
    what about the tribe of Dan
  • Richard H Priday - in Reply on Revelation 7
    The subsequent verses clearly indicate that this group is taken out of great Tribulation. Many would argue that the 144,000 were witnessing to this great multitude; and this is the result of the world's greatest evangelistic outreach.

    I; however question that in light of verse 14 of the same chapter. This indicates that their robes were washed and made white in the blood of the Lamb. It would seem that there is a link here to those who had stained garments such as Sardis church in Rev. 3:4; with a further admonition in the next verse of being victorious. In light of those who are in white and unwrinkled garments in Ephesians 5:27 and even the admonition of Ecclesiastes 9:8 as well as possibly the parable of the wise virgins it seems like a strong possibility that in the first part of the Tribulation some may be left behind who are currently compromised and worldly. In other words; that would make the Rapture a reward issue; rather than merely a salvation one.

    At some point of course there will be those who are martyred for not taking the mark of the Beast. That appears to be after this event if we take things mainly chronologically. Even in that case; we need to remember by the sixth seal everyone is aware of God an Christ and they go to the caves to hide from their presence ( Rev. 6:15). That is a far cry from when eventually they fight against Christ at Armageddon. My point though is that there will be no need to preach as we do now that Christ is Lord but a declaration of judgment ensuing; and the Kingdom arriving on earth will be proclaimed. We see this also once angels and apparently an eagle go throughout the earth admonishing man to worship the Creator; not to take the mark; and the woes are given to Babylon. ( Rev. 14:6-12). Notice that at the end of this passage those who are about to die are mentioned; thus bolstering another group of martyrs after the one mentioned in Revelation 7.

    Not worth arguing about; let us all be Bereans.

  • Jag on Revelation 7
    Who are the great multitude in Verse 9?
  • Jerry Harmon on Revelation 7
    Love the revelation as taught by hal lindsey/ revelation
  • Richard H Priday on Revelation 7
    Commentary Rev. 7

    Chronologically; it would seem that this would be an event immediately after the seal judgments. It is entirely possible even with some overlap after the Tribulation begins that the 144,000 had already begun their ministry. We go then immediately to the great multitude of those in verse 9 and 10; and repeated in verses 13-14. This would appear to be resurrected bodies which would mean this signifies the Second Coming when they finally appear. What is not clear is whether these 144,000 were actually involved at all in witnessing to the multitude; we notice the absence of any mention of it here. What we do know is that they are given a seal of being "untouchable" much as Elijah was and will be along with the other prophet giving witness in Jerusalem at that time. The trumpet judgments destroying the earth will not affect them (verse 3). This reminds us of the angel in Ezekiel 9:4 where those who would decry the evil would be marked and preserved from destruction (also something like those who had blood on their door before the Exodus).

    Clearly Antichrist will mock this with his OWN mark either then or right after the 2 prophets are killed and resurrected. He also will imitate the works of Elijah bringing fire down from heaven; no doubt to authenticate his "divinity" and also to imitate what the 2 Prophets did.

    It seems the 144,000 may be translated; there is no doubt that they will be persecuted which could explain Matthew 25:36-40. Those who help or don't help the Jews in prison at that time will be judged accordingly as to being saved or not; as once again we have to remember the sixth seal will mean any declaration of Jesus being Lord is moot; as all will KNOW that God and the Son are in heaven and starting wrath. If the wicked know certainly the righteous will. This is more like Christ when he went to free the captives in sheol; it is a declaration of victory over the grave to those imprisoned there; man; angels and nephilim.
  • Hazel carty on Revelation 7
    behold the Lamb of calvary I saw my JESUS with a nail in his hand and they take him to the

    toom and they berried him and he rose again upon the third day,

    GOD shall wipe away all tears from our eyes thanks your son LORD,

  • Streetpreacher - in Reply on Revelation 7
    Read some of Nelson Walters teachings on YouTube.

    Type: Nelson Walters 144,000

    I like his stuff. I've been waiting for someone to put out videos on the 10 nations. He has. And it includes Turkey which is the one, no one wants to discuss.
  • OLD MAN WILSON - in Reply on Revelation 7
    Young Man:

    God's word's:

    Romans 3:3 For WHAT IF some do not believe? shall there UNBELIEF make the faith of God without effect?

    What if, is a QUESTION.

    If you study God's Word you will find God asking thousand of QUESTION.

    Those scriptures end with a QUESTION MARK.

    Go look, God wants you to know the answers to those QUESTIONS.

    God Bless YOU.
  • YOUNG MAN SPALDING - in Reply on Revelation 7
    The Bible is not about "what ifs"
  • Richard H Priday - in Reply on Revelation 7
    It is clear that after these 144,000 are marked; that they are not affected by the remaining seal and trumpet judgments before they are taken up to heaven. ( Rev. 14:1). Since they are standing on Mt. Sion (the spiritual true Mt. Zion in heaven) as opposed to the martyrs under the throne apparently awaiting resurrection bodies ( Rev. 6:9-11) it would appear that they are as the scripture indicates taken to heaven as "redeemed" firstfruits ( Rev. 14:2-4). So therefore; it appears that they are raptured; as firstfruits would include O.T. saints (some of which came out of the grave after the Resurrection of Christ; and the church possibly also including the rest of the godly O.T. saints at different intervals). It would certainly appear with their sealing that it could encompass not dying but I'm not sure that can be proven from that verse. In theory; it is even possible that they could be like the 2 prophets who die and are resurrected about the same time (that could I suppose mean they are all killed at one time and subsequently resurrected rather than raptured). That's the only possibility I see.

    It is rather controversial the timing of the O.T. saints (which in the book of Daniel seems to occur around the midpoint of the Trib) and that of the whole true believing church (which occurs in conjunction and immediately preceeding the Rapture as I see it). Again; we do have Enoch and Elijah who were taken out of this world; although it appears Elijah has been preserved and never given a Resurrected Body; and perhaps if Enoch is the second witness according to the Hebrews 9:27 principle he also was preserved; but possibly he was raptured. And the saints coming out of the graves was the beginning of a series of events between the Resurrection (Christ being first of firstfruits) and the rest of the firstfruits such as the 144,000.

    That's my best take on it; remember most will die in the Trib; a few will survive physically until and through the 1000 years.
  • Walter Mintz on Revelation 7
    I have a question. Are the 144,000 raptured during the Great Tribulation, or are they killed?
  • Daniel Lindenbaum - in Reply on Revelation 7
    Ephesians 4:11-12

    "And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:"

    Although I sincerely believe two of these were fulfilled my the perfect which is Revelation but evangelists, pastors and teachers remain in the post-apostolic/early church. There have always been women evangelists and teachers. Now, bishop (not referring to what catholics or lutherans may define of that role) was a type of pastor; that's where things have gotten out of order a bit in modern churches. When the role of bishop/pastor is held by a does make me scratch my head a bit. Why?

    1 Timothy 3:2

    "A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;"

    "...the husband of one wife..." That cannot be translated to mean woman. The word man can as in Genesis sometimes the word man was in reference to mankind (which includes woman). But if a woman says, "I'm the pastor of the church." My question is, "then you must also be the husband of one wife?" Now, sometimes a pastor (husband & wife) lead a ministry jointly and the husband dies...I've seen the wife step up and I don't really see a problem with that. What I see a problem with are the Joyce Meyers' types out there who believe they are the head in God's order. They weren't called to that role but they self appointed. Regardless, it's not scriptural.
  • Women in Shepherdin__by Mishael - in Reply on Revelation 7
    If God calls you to do it, He will Equip You to do it.

    You need to try to live a life without controversy. You will pray for the Holy Spirit to anoint you for the work.

    Without the Anointing, there is no Harvest. Without a solid Prayer Life with fasting, the seed will fail.

    God will hold us responsible to teach and preach THE WORD of God. Revelation 22. It's a serious thing to be a Shepherd to Gods flock. They get born again, and you bring them up like children. They grow from baby to adult under Jesus's watch.

    Try street ministry first. I did it all wrong of course. Then the Lord said to me: are you through doing it your way? I went from tears of failed efforts to the greatest harvests I could imagine.

    But you have to get the newborns into the care of a shepherd (pastor). They carry the babes in arms and prayer. They guide, rescue, teach, correct, encourage in difficulties. Grow the up into a spiritual man or woman. To an age, when they themselves are reproducing Christ.

    Are you ready for the task? God will make a way for you, no matter the obstacles, if He has called you.

    Street preaching is a whole different call. It is not being. Shepherd. You guide them to a church who will carry them to maturity. You need to work within the church in any function: childrens church, adult women groups. Singles and married groups. Do tasks in the church. Like phone ministry, visiting elderly at home, sick at home, organize and help benevolence ministries. Churches always need helpers.

    If that is beneath you, you're not ready to shepherd.

    I'm not criticizing. Just telling the truth. I personally did myself. Following Jesus's steps all the way. I did all the stuff no one else volunteered for.

    It was a season. My true love is street ministry.
  • Dale - in Reply on Revelation 7
    1Timothy 2 :12
  • Fannie on Revelation 7
    Are women permitted to preach the word according to the bible?
  • Roman - in Reply on Revelation 7
    Sorry about the Revelation 11:7 typo. It should read like below:

    -Look who the 5th seal saints were told to wait for before He judges the earth. Revelation 6:9-11 & Revelation 11:7
  • Roman on Revelation 7
    What group is resurrected first, at the seventh trumpet?

    Revelation 7:1-8 occurs before the six trumpet, before the day of the Lord, when the 144,000 saints are sealed. Continuing, Revelation 7:9-15, where now it's the seventh trumpet, Revelation 11:15, and the same sealed saints have been resurrected, and are now standing in heaven. We know it's the saints because we're told they came out of the great tribulation.

    (same scene, different angle)

    Revelation 5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;*10,000 x 10,000 = 100,000+ remaining = 144,000

    Look at the moment the saints are resurrected? Revelation 11:11-12

    Look who the 5th seal saints were told to wait for before He judges the earth. Revelation 6:9-11 & Revelation 11-7

    1 Thessalonians 4:17 Paul was not talking to the general population, he was talking to his kind, first fruits, fellow elite, saints, dead and alive. The scriptures bear this out, who they are, and is always up for debate if you think you are a first fruit.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Revelation 7

    Dan was one of the tribes that committed idolatry. And God's judgment came on the tribes that committed idolatry.

    Their land will be returned to them at the second coming of Christ.

    So when you see the several lists in the Old Testament of the tribes, they'll line up differently than the 12 tribes that are listed in Revelation chapter 7.

    Because of the tribes that were under the judgment of God for idolatry, they were not sealed.

    But at the second coming of Christ in Revelation Chapter 19, the land and the boundaries will then be returned to the tribes that were under judgment. They are only under judgment up to the second coming of Christ.
  • JT KNOTTS - in Reply on Revelation 7
    There are, I'm sure, many intelligent answers that will be given in response to your inquiry. Some will be based partly in scripture while others are will be pure speculation. However, if you diligently research each explanation given you will find that none of them seem to completely add up and fall short. For instance, why are they listed out of order? They are not out of birth order anywhere else that I'm aware of. Did God have a moment of forgetfulness? Was it an error? Did God decide to change things up a bit from His established M.O.? The answer is "NO". God does not make mistakes and He does not change so the "logical" explanation is that there must be a reason for the missing names and them being listed out of chronological birthing order rather than being listed in order from eldest to youngest as per everywhere else in the Bible that I'm aware of.

    Hebrew names in the Bible of people and places use a precise form of onomastics and transliteration, i.e. Joshua = Yhosua = "Jehovah or YHVH is salvation". Many examples are provided all throughout scripture (ex. Gen 16:14) Now, if you take this fact based scriptural knowledge and apply it to God's Word all throughout you will find the truth you seek. When applied properly to Gen 5 you will see God foretells the plan of salvation through Jesus (actual Hebrew name Yhosua). Now apply what you have just learned to Rev 7 and you will discover that the whole, complete and logical answer to your question is a veiled account of the Church being given as the bride of Christ a 6 thousand year struggle coming to an end, reproach being taken away and God turning to Israel to redeem her (as scripturally promised). Now at this point using this fact based scriptural approach the following verses from Rev 7:13-17 should suddenly become obvious as to what just happened. You will find the cipher key starts in Gen 29:32 and ends in Gen 43:51. Just organize them as ordered in Rev 7.

    P.S. - 6000 from creation is upon us. Be blessed
  • T. Levis - in Reply on Revelation 7
    Here are scriptures, hopefully these are helpful :

    Genesis 49:16-18, Judges 18:1-31, 1 Kings 12:30, Amos 8:14, 2 Chronicles 16:4, 1 Kings 15:20, Jeremiah 8:14-17, * Deuteronomy 29:1-29,

    Replaced by Manasseh, * Genesis 48:1-6, Numbers 26:28, Psalms 77:15,
  • GiGi - in Reply on Revelation 7
    You may want to google some on tis topic. What I have read is that tribe of Dan turned from Yahweh and set up a golden calf in his land of inheritance, turning the people away from the True God to idolatry. I encourage you to research more on this. I would be interested in what you find out.
  • GiGi - in Reply on Revelation 7
    I do think the mark of the beast will be obviously brought to bear when the antichrist is already in power and people will know that it is is mark.
  • Rosa johnson on Revelation 7
    In Revelation 7 why was not Dan mention as one of the 144 thousand?

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