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  • Liaise on Revelation 7
    I like this book it is interesting I like how God is going to wipe away our tears
  • 4readybowhatters on Revelation 7:9
    Hosea 14:5

    "I will be as the dew unto Israel: he shall grow as the lily, and cast forth his roots as Lebanon."



    1 Thessalonians 2:10

    "Ye are witnesses, and God also, how holily and justly and unblameably we behaved ourselves among you that believe:"

    HOLILY
  • Elmo Newsome on Revelation 7:9
    How soon after the rapture, does the anti Christ

    show up? Days months? I don't think it will be long.
  • Mishael - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    3 1/2 years: he's setting things in place.

    Final 3 1/2 years all hell and mass world murders start.
  • Mishael - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    I have a book by Arthur E Bloomfield: title is How To Recognize Antichrist. It's a good source of timing information. His book, Before the Last Battle is a good one too.

    It helps with understanding some of the Book of Daniel.

    AbeBooks has older books. Cheap.
  • Richard on Revelation 7:9
    Will people be saved during the great tribulation? I heard a minister say that anyone left on earth after the rapture are finished.

    Thanks
  • Jesse - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    Richard,

    Yes, there will be an opportunity for salvation during the Tribulation Period. Just like Mishael says, there will be evangelizing during that time. God's mercy and grace will extend during this period. And there will also be an opportunity for salvation during the 1,000-year millennial reign of Christ. That's how far God's grace extends.

    During the first 3-1/2 years of the Tribulation Period, there will be two witnesses walking the streets of Jerusalem preaching the gospel. Many believe, as do I, that these two are Moses and Elijah. There will also be 144,000 Jews, 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel who will be preaching the gospel. Also, there will be an angel flying mid-heaven non-stop for 3-1/2 years warning people not to take the mark. So the whole world will be reached during that time. Those left behind will be without excuse. They will not be able to stand before God and say "we didn't know." However, they will have a chance for salvation.

    If there were no chance for salvation during the Tribulation, why would God's plan be to send two witnesses, 144,000 Jews evangelizing, and an angel flying in mid-heaven warning people? If people cannot be saved during that time, what would be the purpose of preaching the gospel? It would serve no purpose. I mean, why preach a gospel message of salvation if it's impossible for people to be saved?
  • NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE mishael - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    The Holy Spirit will not be as active. There will be evangelizing by other people who missed the rapture.

    The problem is the Antichrist getting his one world money system going; the Beast,

    One world church and one world Leader: him. It's going to lead to receiving a Mark in your hand or forehead; to access buying power with your funds. I'd read Forbes. They are the ones pushing this one world calendar that's been in the news. Google that.

    Bibles will be outlawed. Guns, I don't know. You'll have to Buy ammo now.

    If you think all the current rioting is bad now; multiply that by 1000.

    It was reported that in Israel someone re-did all the Palestinians names on maps, renamed to Israel properties. Genesis has the recorded deeds to the land. It is theirs.

    No one has taken responsibility for that. It could be Russia & Syria that did that to further turn the world against Israel. Read JerusalemPost newspaper online; daily.

    Prophesy teaches that USA will do something that will anger the whole world. That near the end, that Russia will be obliterated by God. China is working with Russia, Syria, Iran. Iran wants to take over Iraq. China is acting like they're the Antichrist but that's not true. Antichrist will most likely have Palestinian ancestry but deny it. He may not be married; doesn't have time for women?

    Whatever happens it will happen quickly like it is now. Genesis 6:3, Luke 19:42, Galatians 6;16-17, 1 Peter 3:20; Psalms 78:39 to end. Read all that Bob.

    Why would any of you neglect to be born again and risk going to hell, you and your family?? Can you watch yours or someone else's child be beheaded? If you don't take the Mark, you'll be beheaded. If you do take it, God will have to send you to hell.

    What are you thinking? Can anyone hide from God and Antichrist? All this you see is going to be BURNED. 2 Peter 3:10-11. It'll make global warming look like a marshmallow roast. Super quakes, Wormwood Asteroid/star, super volcanoes!

    Get Saved
  • Carleton - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    My ammo is the Love of God. The Lamb could have defended himself but for love he chose to give Life, even his own.

    :)
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    Hey Richard look at this

    Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    These died refusing to worship the beast and take the Mark 666. They are with Christ and will live with him for the thousand year intro to the kingdom.

    I would find another church if the pastor is that ignorant of scripture.
  • Richard - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    My pastor said he believes the 2 witnesses and the 144 thousand will only be preaching to the Jews on earth at that time, but what i have read and what you tell me make much more sense
  • Bee Peterson on Revelation 7:9
    In verse 10 highlights the great amount of love that Jehovah God and Jesus have for us. We know we can't earn nor do we deserve salvation but it is only because of Jehovah's underserved kindness that we can share in the loud shout of praise mentioned in this verse. So it is important for us to express deep appreciation for Jehovah God and Jesus and to help others to do the same.
  • Barbara E Jones on Revelation 7:9
    Our country is being attacked from inside by numerous different groups. We need God more than ever. All that our fore fathers fought and died for us being corrupted. I am requesting as many prayers for peace to be returned to America as well as many of the American people to turn back to God as possible! Pray for our people and country. GOD BLESS AMERICA! Thank you!
  • Nancy on Revelation 7:9
    Remember my sister and AJ, my nephew who just lost their Son/Brother to Drug Overdose. They have so many puzzling emotions going on .. Why, What if's, Love, Emptiness. Your Prayers are Appreciated
  • Soldiers need our Prayers on Revelation 7:9
    More than 6,000 veterans die by suicide each year, taking their own lives at a rate one-and-a-half times that of other Americans. Female veterans are at an even higher risk, with a suicide rate of more than twice that of other Americans.



    From 2005 to 2016, the veteran suicide rate rose by an alarming 26 percent. In the past, these heroes were too often overlooked by our leaders, who sent our troops to fight in foreign lands without taking care of them once they returned home.



    Someone please pray for our soldier.

    Hire one that needs a job. Thank you
  • Soldiers need our Prayers on Revelation 7:9
    More than 6,000 veterans die by suicide each year, taking their own lives at a rate one-and-a-half times that of other Americans. Female veterans are at an even higher risk, with a suicide rate of more than twice that of other Americans.



    From 2005 to 2016, the veteran suicide rate rose by an alarming 26 percent. In the past, these heroes were too often overlooked by our leaders, who sent our troops to fight in foreign lands without taking care of them once they returned home.



    Someone please pray for our soldier.

    Hire one that needs a job. Thank you
  • Melani on Revelation 7:9
    Prayer for repentance and protection for my family
  • Renee on Revelation 7:9
    First,giving God all of the praise and honor I do believe the word of God and standing on it I sometime don't understand what"s going on in my life. Its like as soon as I go through one trail after, another I am doing all that I know to do. I do so go before the lord. I ask him what ever area in my life that's not pleasing to him to please show me.I am standing on his word for my home, my children's. My baby is a little mixed up about her identity. My oldest have no respect, neither do her children's for me.I would love for God to bless me with a godly mate,and yes I have ask.Spirit Fill and love the lord. Financially bless as well, a stable man of god. A praying man believe in the holy ghost and laying on hands.
  • Vickie - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    Renee,

    If you are studying and following God's Word don't be surprised when the devil fights. 1 Peter 4:12 says "Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you."

    If you're children are grown you cannot change them but you can pray for them and try to counsel them using Scripture. If they're still in the home get in the Word together and deal with the issues that you are facing. Finally, I would ask you a question that I ask myself daily. What are you focused on? If you're focused on worldly things (a husband, money, career, etc) that God doesn't want you focused on it will make things hard. If you focus on him then you'll be able to rejoice no matter what.
  • JLeigh - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    The world will not be right until all come back into the order set for all creation by the father of all creation the sooner you wake up and get real to that and show your children that the better off you will be stop looking for a fake magic to save you there will be no salvation for any of creation until all creation comes back to the order set for all creation by the father of all creation! The house is going to fall unless the people rise and come back to the order! That is the whole of the prophecy! Repentance is to come back to the order set for all creation by the father of all creation that you all deny for the system's of the ruler's of this world! Time to wake up to reality so you can fix your family!
  • D.J. on Revelation 7:9
    Kim B.

    Charles Stanley may very well be a devout Christian, a good man, an excellent preacher, and know what he is talking about concerning Scripture. No preacher, however, is correct concerning everything they preach (Ecclesiastes 3:11).

    Understanding the 7th Day, Law and Grace, are important topics in the Word of God

    Some of the best education I have received concerning the Word of God came from Pastor Arnold Murray of the Shepherds Chapel. A Bible scholar that many times stated: "Don't take my word for it, research it for yourself. From his advice, I realized that he was not always correct.

    2 Timothy 2:15

    Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
  • PAUL WILLIAMS on Revelation 7:9
    What part of Bible states about when the sun stop turning
  • Mishael on Joshua 1013 - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    Joshua 10:13

    And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher?

    So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

    They were fighting a battle and needed daylight to win the day. How awesome is God?!
  • K8mb - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    2nd part reply

    Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law (Galatians 3:13 NASB).

    The apostle Paul said the Law was added only until Christ comes:

    Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressionsuntil the seed should come to whom the promise had been made (Galatians 3:19 NASB).

    Paul goes on to say the Law was our "tutor to lead us to Christ"; now that we are justified in Christ, we are no longer under the Law:

    But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor (Galatians 3:23-25 NASB).

    While the moral principles expressed in the Ten Commandments are reaffirmed in the New Testament, the command to observe the Sabbath is the only commandment not repeated. There is no New Testament command for believers to set aside the Sabbath as a day of worship. Exodus 31:13 says the Sabbath was a "sign between God and Israel," not God and the church.

    The first Christians were, of course, Jews, and when Gentiles began to enter the church, some Jewish Christians (Judaizers) tried to force new Gentile believers to follow the Law and observe the Sabbath (among other things). It became such a problem that Paul warned that no believer was to judge another believer with regard to the Sabbath:

    Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day-things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ (Colossians 2:16-17 NASB).

    A shadow is only an image cast by an object which represents its form. Paul said the Sabbath was a "mere shadow" that pointed to Christ. Once a person finds Christ, he or she no longer needs to follow the shadow.

    I hope this helps, God bless you.
  • Chris - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    Great comment Kim & very true. While reading the part about the Sabbath, I was reminded of Revelation 1:10, when John on the day that he first heard from Jesus, the Alpha & Omega, was the Lord's Day. Interesting, that he didn't call it the Sabbath but referred to it as the accepted term for a separate day to that observed by the Jews. So yet another piece of evidence that the Sabbath was no longer recognized & the Lord's Day was set aside as Sunday & the day for worship.
  • Kimberly Burrow - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    That information didn't come from me, I had a question about that at sent it in to Charles Stanley and that was his reply. Just didn't want to take credit for something that I didn't write. God bless you.
  • Kim burrow - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    Christians have never worshipped on the seventh day. Christians have worshipped on the first day of the week since the church was born on the first day of the week at Pentecost and Peter preached the first sermon on a Sunday. After that first Sunday, those same Christians continued to meet and worship regularly on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:2). Sunday worship can be historically traced in unbroken succession all the way back to the first century to Jesus' disciples in Jerusalem meeting on the first day of the week. For two thousand years, Christians have faithfully followed the New Testament pattern given by the Holy Spirit at Pentecost and practiced by the apostles, the first Christians, and the early church.

    Some believe that Constantine and the Roman Catholic Church changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday, but the church had been worshipping on the first day of the week hundreds of years before Constantine was born and before the Church of Rome ever existed. Constantine only declared officially in the fourth century what the church had been doing since the first century. There was no change in the day of worship for Christians because Christians had never worshipped on the seventh day. Christians had worshipped on the first day of the week since Pentecost in Acts chapter 2.

    Believers are not under the Law. The requirements of the Law were met in Christ (Matthew 5:17). Believers are released from the Law, believers are dead to the Law, and believers are redeemed from the Law (Romans 6:14; 7:6, 9; Galatians 3:13):

    You are not under law but under grace (Romans 6:14 NASB).

    But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound (Romans 7:6 NASB).

    For apart from the Law sin is dead. I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died; and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me (Romans 7:8b-10 NASB).

    1st reply
  • D.J. - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    Kim Burrow

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    Paul also wrote that "the Law is not of faith: But the man that doeth them shall live in them" (Galatians 10:12); quoted from Leviticus 18:5. And Paul immediately reminds us that "Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree" (Galatians 10:13) quoted from Deuteronomy 21:23. Those that hang on trees have transgressed the Law. Paul uses two passages from the Law to show us that we cannot live without the Law?

    James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

    The words of Jesus confirm the 10 Commandments found in the books of the LAW, Exodus 20:1-17, Luke 10:27.

    The only people that do not NEED the Law are those that are not sinning. No matter how righteous we may think we are, we all sin every day and are made new (every day) through repentance and forgiveness.

    Just because we have been brought to Christ does not mean that we cannot fall away again.
  • D.J. - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    Kim Burrow

    Page 2

    Concerning the abolishment of the Law of God:

    The book of Hebrews shows us that the 7th day, the Temple, the Tabernacle, the Ark of the Covenant, etc., are a copy or replication of what God has already established in Heaven.

    Hebrews 8:5 "They serve in a place that is a COPY and SHADOW of the heavenly meeting tent. This is indicated when Moses was warned by God when he was about to set up the meeting tent: See that you FOLLOW THE PATTERN that I showed you on the mountain in every detail;" from Exodus 25:40.

    The heavenly pattern is what we follow, and God has not left us any information concerning that being changed in any way.

    The fulfillment, partial or total that Christ has done in the Law does not make that Law abolished. For instance, the Temple is gone. We have become His Temple. The veil was rent from top to bottom (Matthew 27:51) to show that we no longer need a priest to reconcile our sins for us. We all have forgiveness based upon repentance.

    Fulfillment, in full, or in part, of the Law does not abolish it. What do you do with all other Scripture that does not agree with your assessment?

    When Christ rose and spoke in the Synagogue on the Sabbath, He specifically left out the words in Luke 4:18-19 concerning the "Day of vengeance of our God" (Isaiah 61:1-2) because that day has not come upon us all yet.

    Christ came to fulfill the Law, not abolish it. Has the Law been completely fulfilled? No. We are still under the Law, which

    Paul states "is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself" (Galatians 5:14)

    The "curse" of the Law is a persons' inability to keep it. That "curse" is what Christ has taken on for us. Not the Law. The Law is just and perfect. It is humans that cannot remain righteous; not even a single day of our lives!


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