Revelation Chapter 7 Discussion



 
  • Rosita on Revelation 7
    Why is the tribe of Dan not listed here?
  • Simon - in Reply on Revelation 7
    Revelation 7

    The sealing of 12 tribes: The Elect

    Jacob's 12 sons in order of birth: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph and Benjamin.

    Prior to the 6th trumpet, day of the Lord battle, 12 tribes of Israel are sealed 42 months from death, and witnesses to antichrist's atrocities.

    Revelation 7 tribe sealing in order: Judah, Reuben, Gad, Asher, Naphtali, Manasseh, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph, Benjamin.

    In the field of 14 tribes, 12 are sealed; Dan and Ephraim have been left out. Joseph still represents two tribes, but in this case, for their apostasy, he replaces both Dan and Ephraim . Their seal exclusion implies that the 144K elect will be pure and righteous, having a strong testament of God's word.

    In Judges 17-21, before Israel had a king, and in their territories, Dan and Ephraim refused to conform to religious standards. Moreover, Dan was not pleased with the land God gave them, and they with Ephraim chased after idols.
  • Tamara on Revelation 7
    In Revelation 7:10 it says "salvation to our God" ... I am baffled as to how our God needs salvation? This is really throwing me for a loop . Thanks for any clarification, Tamara
  • The Two Martha39s - in Reply on Revelation 7
    The Bible Commentary feature on this website is accessed through the Search Box. Put the scripture in the search box. Touch the verse and it will highlight in yellow. Drop down until you see the Commentary Box. Select Commentary.

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    Wesley's Notes for Revelation 7:10

    7:10 Salvation to our God - Who hath saved us from all evil into all the happiness of heaven. The salvation for which they praise God is described, verse 15; #Rev 7:15 that for which| they praise the Lamb, verse 14; #Rev 7:14 and both|, in the sixteenth and seventeenth verses. #Rev 7:16|,17

    People's Bible Notes for Revelation 7:10

    Re 7:10 Salvation to our God . . . and unto the Lamb. The praise of our salvation be given to God and to the Lamb.

    In this scripture, God and Jesus are being praised for salvation of the earth, and humankind.

    Something that I do when a scripture seems unclear, is to ask The Holy Spirit to explain it. He desires to be our Teacher. Jesus sent him to all believers on the Day of Pentecost. We all should ask for help.

    It may involve being still before the Lord. Which generally means turn off the media in the room and listening intently.

    If you read the story of the two women both named Martha: one was scurrying around serving the company. The other Martha was sitting at the feet of Jesus, totally engaged with what He was teaching. The 2nd Martha is the one that was remarked upon.

    Point: being busy and distracted is not really a good thing if you cannot hear what Jesus is saying.

    My comment: hearing an answer or reply from the Holy Spirit, will create a hunger within your spirit to spend time with Him.

    Don't ask things you can easily look up in a Bible Encyclopedia, a Commentary or googling History. Do you see my suggestion? If you are still not understanding something, ask, believe, and you shall receive.

    Mishael
  • Simon on Revelation 7
    THE FIRST RESURRECTION: The seventh trumpet resurrection happens in the twinkling of an eye. (1 Corinthians 15:51-52) Judgment for these resurrected Christians takes place in the space between the seventh trumpet and before the twinkling, rather simultaneously.

    The 144 out of great tribulation are judged (Revelation 20:4) and made whole. These are the elect only, no others. Resurrection scriptures were tailored for the elect, of the great tribulation, who rise first.

    The resurrection accounts of the 144 are on record, and their numbers add up: "10,0 x 10 = 100,000 + thousands and thousands" is another way of saying 144. (Revelation 7:9 [that's them]) ...a great multitude...in white robes...out of the great tribulation. (Revelation 11:12)

    (Revelation 5:11) And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands.

    (Revelation 7:13-14) And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes (fifth seal brethren) and whence came they?....they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes...

    It makes sense for the 144 to rule the world with Christ for the 1 years. Then bring up the balance for the new heaven and new earth.

    For resurrection perspective, the current world population is 7.8 billion people.

    Conservatively speaking, 25 billion Christians have lived since the first century AD.

    If these 25 billion dead in Christ are resurrected at the last trumpet, where will they go?

    25 billion (physically) are not sustainable, suggesting that the first fruits are a small body of the core church. Many will remain asleep.

    THE SECOND RESURRECTION: God's balance of 108 billion souls will come to the table. (Ecclesiastes 12:7) The new earth & new heaven will accommodate all.
  • Darren Croft - in Reply on Revelation 7
    Greeks astronomers discovered during a lunar eclipse, the earth casts a perfect oval shadow on the moon. It is easy to verify. There was never a big foot, just a guy with a million dollar marketing strategy.

    If you are indeed a young man, you're gonna pick up grease. Keep in mind, there's also adventure out there to put you on the floor laughing, remembering to breathe.
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Revelation 7
    Hello Kayden,

    As I noticed in one of your other posts that you are young and are close with the Lord. This gives me great pleasure.

    I just wanted to respond to this post. As the "shape of the earth" has been brought up here before. The main thing is that it is a topic that seems to divide the body of Christ more than do good for us that follow the Lord.

    Again, I am very pleased to see someone so young on the path of truth.

    I hope none of my brothers and sisters are angry with me for this but I must respond to you with this. Just the other night I was reading Isaiah. I came across Isaiah 38:7-8 where the Lord made the sun go backwards.

    Just another verse for you to note.

    God bless.
  • Dorothy myers on Revelation 7
    thanks I love this . I use it for my daily devotionals and study. Im blessed to have this bible. thanks again and God bless you
  • Chris - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    In every Bible-based, Bible-believing congregation, the 'leader of the Church' (also, called an Elder or Pastor) should have elders & deacons to assist in the teaching, direction, & management of the flock. So in Acts 20:28, Paul called for the Ephesians elders & gave them this instruction: "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood."

    The Pastor & the eldership have the responsibility & endorsement by God to teach & shepherd His flock, ruling well & directing the Church according to the Scriptures & in a society that opposes Christ. In the early Church, believers were heavily dependent on their leadership for proper spiritual guidance as they had little else by way of the full counsel of God & spiritual maturity to discern correct or incorrect teaching. Therefore, the apostles had to often 're-teach' or warn the believers of wrong teaching & to beware of the 'wolves' lurking in the Church to destroy her.

    Today, we have the full revealed Word in our hands & the Spirit to help us understand & apply its Truths. If the Pastor or speaker has said something that seems incorrect, or in your case, a questionable decision he has made, then I believe it is the right & responsibility of the Christian to enquire further about it. If it's a question of something spoken from the Word, one can approach the speaker (as a couple have even asked me to further expand a point that I may have glossed over). If it's to do with a Church matter (its organization, its direction, its ministry, etc.), then doubtless the elders would've come together to discuss & pray over the matter & the Church informed so the matter is fully aired. If there is an individual dispute over it, then it would be correct, in all humility & knowing the Pastor's position & responsibility, to seek further light on it from him or the elders. One shouldn't be chastised for it.
  • Diana Q on Revelation 7:9
    Was the star that led the wise men to Jesus ever an Old Testament prediction?
  • Chris - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    The Old Testament doesn't provide any clear reference to a star to be seen over Bethlehem. These 'wise men' or magi from Eastern lands were observers of the starry kingdom, & even though they may have used their art for dubious purposes, there was suddenly an observance that appeared to them that was out of sync with the placement of the heavenly bodies at that time of the year. And it was not only different in that way but also of increased intensity (maybe similar to the recent alignment of two planets) which prompted their travel into that direction.

    Now, they would have to travel a great distance, even if it was on animals, so it's possible that at the first appearance of this special star they commenced their move. And in the providence of God, their arrival at baby Jesus' crib, an animal's feeding trough, coincided with His birth. But the question: how did these magi even know that this babe was to become "the King of the Jews"? We're not told this: it could have been a prophecy (as in Micah 5:2) that reached them, or some other belief in that part of the world expecting a ruler-ship to happen in Israel. But they immediately responded to that heavenly phenomenon.

    Just my thoughts to guide you, but can't be verified from the Scriptures.
  • Adam - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    Hello, that's great that you are seeking help both from God and your fellow Christians.

    I noticed you said you make 'good money' but struggle financially. Your statement tells me both the problem and the solution. The problem is not that you don't make enough money, the problem must be how you manage it- your saving and spending habits. By chance have you heard of Dave Ramsey and his information on managing money? You can see most of the information for free online and on YouTube.

    What's interesting is that income doesn't have much to do with how stable someone is financially. Poor people with low incomes can still save and some have done so and have become quite wealthy later in life. But other poor people spend what little money they receive right away and have nothing left over- often debt. On the other hand you also have people with a high income- some spend responsibly and save and have security, but others spend it all and have no financial security, but dept. Many millionaires have gone bankrupt from poor money management habits. So, some people with low income can be more rich and prosperous than those with a high income.

    What's really hard for people is humbling themselves and lowing their income, because they don't want to lower their luxurious lifestyle. People do it, but people end up feeling entitled to a certain lifestyle and is very hard to break it. It will take discipline, but can it be done? Of course, if you stopped spending so much money you of course would recover. Programs like Dave Ramsey with a support system might help break bad spending and money habits.

    God bless!
  • Alex on Revelation 7:9
    Alex Comments about the WOMAN IN REVELATION 12, Her Child is the Israel of God which is the H.G. That was born by the seed of God ( the Word of God ).Remember Jesus said the good seed/Word are the Children of the Kingdom .YA gotta realize that Christ sows a heavenly seed which is the very LIVING WORD of God .Which is a much greater seed then Abrahams seed . Natural Israel . The seed of Christ is the Israel of GOD Which is her Child the living WORD of God thats how he will Rule ALL NATIONS HE IS GONNA BE BORN IN ALL of US VIA that good seed which is the seed of the sower . Thus her Child is the Child of PROMISE WHICH IS THE H.G. THE KINGDOM, that is gona rule all nations simply b/c he is gonna be born in the hearts of ALL MEN humanity, Remember Jesus said the field is the WORLD where that good seed will be sown,as God so loved the world, If i be lifted up i will draw ALL MEN unto me. Thus the WOMAN IS THE WORLD THE BRIDE the CHURCH but her CHILD IS EMANUEL THE H.G. GOD WITH US. Our Kingdom, Remember Jesus said unless you receive the kingdom of God as a lil CHILD you will in NO WISE enter there in . The wedding was started 2 days,2000 yrs ago at Pentecost ,They were all intoxicated at Pentecost in the spirit but they ran out of that 1 st wine,Jesus has kept the best wine for last Which is the new covenant , CONTENTS OF THE BOOK, Mankind is gonna have a baby Christ, the Womans BABY WHICH IS SPIRIT THE H.G. Thats y he always called himself the Son of MAN. Unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given which is the results of the seed of the sower the Words of GOD , that NEW WINE, Ya gotta realize that the Kingdom nor true salvation comes till the woman gives birth . Revelation 2 v 10 . I HEARD A LOUD VOICE FROM HEAVEN SAYING NOW IS COME SALVATION AND THE KINGDOM OF OUR GOD AND THE POWER OF HIS CHRIST ( the womans CHILD is our new birth,our new innerman ,our new heart and new spirit .THE KINGDOM OF GOD BORN IN US VIA THAT GOOD SEED THE LIVING WORD THE H.G. GBU.
  • Alex - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    Comments by Alex about the Israel OF GOD, The Children of Promise as Jesus was refering to when he spoke of the H.G. saying that which is born of the spirit is spirit which is our new innerman the H.G. the ISRAEL OF GOD from the seed of Christ the living WORD . Romans 9 : 7 Not all Israel is Israel its the children of Promise that are counted for the good seed which are spirits the H.G. THE ISRAEL OF GOD that comes out of the loins of Christ , his seed , his breath etc .But he says the children of the flesh are not the children of God, its the children of Promise that are counted for the good seed which are spirits the H.G. plural the children of PROMISE that are gonna be as the Stars of Heaven which are the ISRAEL OF GOD OUR NEW INNERMAN, THAT NEW CREATURE THAT IS GONNA BE BORN IN US VIA THAT GOOD SEED the words of Christ. That new covenant, the contents of the book in the volume of the book it is written of me i delight to do thy will O GOD meaning the words of the book are living beings GODS to whom the word came it made them GODS and the scripture cannot be broken. As them that are born of God cannot sin and thats God will that we might not sin period be ye perfect as your father in heaven is perfect,The Israel of GOD are gonna be perfect which is the result of the New Covenant the blood of Christ. The seeds of the sower . The children of PROMISE but the main thing to remember is the children of the flesh are not the children of GOD . GOD has a more perfect people in mind which are his spirits the H.G. plural THE CHILDREN OF PROMISE. Whosoever receiveth one such child in MY NAME receiveth ME. A lil one shall become a 1000 and a small one a strong NATION I THE LORD WILL HASTEN IT IN ITS TIME THESE ARE THE ISRAEL OF GOD THAT ARE GONNA BE BORN IN US SINNERS. The children of the kingdom . Unless ya receive the Kingdom as a lil child etc. Thats y the new birth is so important, there is a baby Christ in the seed of Jesus. The kingdom can only come via a birth gbu
  • Michael on Revelation 7:9
    After the rapture of the church will those left behind have an opportunity for salvation? If any take the mark of the beast they will suffer God's wrath... does this mean if you don't take the mark you have an opportunity to be saved from hell?
  • COMING SOON ON THE WHOLE EARTH Mishael - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    If you have refused to accept Jesus's invitation to be born again (John 3)

    And you are Left Behind on earth, after the Rapture of millions/billions of believers

    No one knows how rapidly the Beast will set up the Economic takeover of all institutions using money, currency. It will come by force. The Antichrist is revealed after the Rapture. There is also a False Prophet who will set up a One World Religion. All nations will get on board with it.

    A Police State will be formed. There are testimonies from workers that have already witnessed guillotines in warehouses. Not on national news. A one world system of money will be formed. Meanwhile there will be assurances from the Antichrist that everyone will be taken care of. Food will be barely enough, water too. Look how disrupted ALL nations are now with this CoronaVirus plague. People aren't all working; businesses closed, bankrupt; schools barely limping along. Children who have not blasphemed Jesus Christ will be raptured; all infants, toddlers, handicapped. Why? People in the Bible ate their children in famines.

    And then 1/2 way through the 7 years, the Antichrist will turn from solving problems to become a mass murderer in ALL nations. All banking is ended. You will have to take His Mark (666) in your forehead or hand. You will have to Worship him; become a traitor to those who refuse to get the Mark. You can't trust anyone. Rioters will invade homes to get food, water or gasoline. An asteroid named Wormwood will hit the earth and climate will change to winter. Water will be poisoned, all fish will die. Earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis & more will occur. There will be hailstones big as cars. Animals will attack humans for food. Read Revelation & minor prophets! Try to get informed! Read some Hal Lindsey books NOW!

    Why go through this? Look for the BECOME A BELIEVER link on this website. Block Print it and Tell others before it's too late. Depend on JESUS. He is your ONLY safe place.
  • Paul WALKER - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    There are no direct scripture statements from anyone in the bible stating a,coming of Jesus before the trib. Why reach something rhats,not there?
  • James - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    Hal Lindsey ? Good grief ...
  • Cory - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    Sorry but no rapture , get real faith Jesus is coming watch and pray
  • Bill - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    Beware of false prophets!

    Saying the end is near .

    Wells without water ,clouds without rain
  • John Rooney on Revelation 7:9
    What is not Created in Goodness and Faith? We who Do GOOD Deeds Yesterday, Today, and Tomorrow always and always now and forever more will find the right direction.

    John
  • John Rooney on Revelation 7:9
    Do Good Deeds yesterday!

    Do Good Deeds today!

    Do Good Deeds tomorrow!

    May the Lord God and Jesus Christ Guide and Protect us always to Heaven, Amen

    John Rooney
  • Liaise on Revelation 7
    I like this book it is interesting I like how God is going to wipe away our tears
  • 4readybowhatters on Revelation 7:9
    Hosea 14:5

    "I will be as the dew unto Israel: he shall grow as the lily, and cast forth his roots as Lebanon."



    1 Thessalonians 2:10

    "Ye are witnesses, and God also, how holily and justly and unblameably we behaved ourselves among you that believe:"

    HOLILY
  • Elmo Newsome on Revelation 7:9
    How soon after the rapture, does the anti Christ

    show up? Days months? I don't think it will be long.
  • Mishael - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    3 1/2 years: he's setting things in place.

    Final 3/2 years all hell and mass world murders start.
  • Mishael - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    I have a book by Arthur E Bloomfield: title is How To Recognize Antichrist. It's a good source of timing information. His book, Before the Last Battle is a good one too.

    It helps with understanding some of the Book of Daniel.

    AbeBooks has older books. Cheap.
  • Mishael-How To Find Rapture in the Bible - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    The Bible teaches on: The Day of the Lord; also named, Caught Up in the Clouds. Just enter any of those in the top Search Box.

    Also, Thief in the Night, in the Clouds.

    Rapture is a state or experience of being carried away. The English word comes from a Latin word, rapio, which means to seize or snatch in relation to an ecstasy of spirit or the actual removal from one place to another. In other words, it means to be carried away in spirit or in body. The Rapture of the church means the carrying away of the church from earth to heaven.

    The Greek word from this term "rapture" is derived appears in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, translated "caught up." The Latin translation of this verse used the word rapturo. The Greek word it translates is harpazo, which means to snatch or take away. Elsewhere it is used to describe how the Spirit caught up Philip near Gaza and brought him to Caesarea (Acts 8:39) and to describe Paul's experience of being caught up into the third heaven (2 Cor. 12:2-4). Thus there can be no doubt that the word is used in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 to indicate the actual removal of people from earth to heaven.

    It is commonly asserted that the word rapture doesn't appear in the Bible, and this absence is held forth as evidence that the teaching of the rapture is a falsehood. But this claim is untrue. The word rapture does appear in the Bible. It appears in the exact same way that words like angel and apostle appear in the Bible. he word rapture is simply the anglicized form of the Greek word (harpaz) that appears in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 in the original text.

    To begin with, the English word rapture is derived from the Latin participle raptus from the verb rapio. And Latin rapio and Greek (harpaz) are cognates - they are the same word.Don't be fooled by the superficial differences between Latin rapio and Greek harpaz. The - (-az) on the end of (harpaz) is not part of the shared stem but a common Koine Greek verb ending.
  • WHHamilton - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    Thanks for your reply,I have read all this but wanted to get the word out to many people that still thinkthe word (rapture ) is an actual word in the bible
  • WHHamilton - in Reply on Revelation 7:9
    Thank you for your answer. I have read this before but some people seam to believe the word RAPTURE is really in the bible.People actually believe the actual word appears in the bible--just wanted to set some readers straight.


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