Revelation Chapter 4 Discussion Page 2



 
  • Philip Lotze on Revelation 4 - 2 years ago
    In verse 5 is there a description of the 7 spirits of God & what each signifies?
  • Reading Commentaries for More Light - In Reply on Revelation 4 - 2 years ago
    Revelation 3:18 COMMENTARY

    Wesley's Notes for Revelation 3:18

    I counsel thee - who art poor, and blind, and naked. To buy of me - Without money or price. Gold purified in the fire - True, living FAITH, which is purified in the furnace of affliction. And white raiment - True holiness. And eyesalve - Spiritual illumination; the unction of the Holy One, which teacheth all things (the Holy Spirit)

    People's Bible Notes for Revelation 3:18

    I counsel thee to buy of me gold. In Christ are "all the treasures of wisdom" ( Colossians 2:3). And white raiment. That they may have the wedding garments ( Matthew 22:11-13). Anoint thine eyes with eyesalve. The unction of the Holy Spirit ( 1John 2:20).

    Many people have no faith to ask Jesus, themselves, to be healed (physically, emotionally, financially, making decisions, etc). Why?

    It's one thing to lay on your mat and stare at Jesus wishing he would heal you. The man explained his parents must've sinned. Jesus had mercy on him. Stand up, pick up your mat and walk home. The man lays there a minute, then obeys. He stands up, dances around leaping for joy-picks up his mat and walks home.

    His faith in Jesus's ability, opposed his belief in his parents sins. His faith stood up.

    ONLY THE BIBLE can counteract our unbelief and excuses why we are sick or downtrodden by society at large.

    Mix faith with obedience to the known Will of God.

    Pray the Lords Prayer, and let your ears hear each line. Each one is a YES and AMEN, from God the Father.

    Let's be real here? If there's some kind of hidden sin hindering that prayer; dig it up and give it to Jesus. "I did "this" and I'm sorry for it." Jesus's blood erases it. Guard your heart and mind.

    The Lords Prayer says, THIS DAY. This is a daily thing. I do it every day. I'm not perfect yet. Some day I may shine a little like gold or silver, that I purchased with prayers. I have His Love and Acceptance now. So do you.

    Mishael
  • Dante p. antiporda on Revelation 4 - 2 years ago
    What does gold, silver and (?) can do for our health?
  • Gary - In Reply on Revelation 4 - 2 years ago
    Thank You
  • Jesse - In Reply on Revelation 4 - 2 years ago
    Gary,

    Chapter Revelation 4:1 is the verse that's used by those who believe that the believers will be raptured prior to the Tribulation Period, because number 1, the door had been opened, and number two, a trumpet was talking to him.

    It's the same as Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 4:13, I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that you sorrow not, as others which have no hope. He had just said in this chapter that the trump of God would sound. It would be a great shout, and the trump of God would sound. And so here is the trumpet talking to John saying come up here.

    And those who hold the Pre-Trib. position see that as equivalent to the rapture of the church that is happening. And from now on, John will see everything from heaven, and the church will no longer be on the earth, but the multitudes will be in heaven.

    And many believe that's an indication, among other scriptures, especially 1 Thessalonians Chapter 5 where it gives us the Tribulation Period, and he says this is for the wrath of God, and we (have not) been chosen for the wrath of God.
  • Methuselah - In Reply on Revelation 4 - 2 years ago
    God bless you Gary...i think Rev 4 is happening now...the beasts are the gospels(Jesus the loin/king=mathew;Jesus as servant/sacrifice =mark;Jesus as man/fully human=luke;Jesus fully God/the eagle)saying "HOLY HOLY HOLY..."and the elders rejoice whenever it is preached...
  • Wesleys Commentary on this Website - In Reply on Revelation 4 - 2 years ago
    Wesley's Notes for Revelation 4:1

    4:1 After these things - As if he had said, After I had written these letters from the mouth of the Lord. By the particle and, the several parts of this prophecy are usually connected: by the expression, after these things, they are distinguished from each other, # Rev 7:9|; 19:1. By that expression, and after these things, they are distinguished, and yet connected, # Rev 7:1|; 15:5; 18:1. St. John always saw and heard, and then immediately wrote down one part after another: and one part is constantly divided from another by some one of these expressions. I saw - Here begins the relation of the main vision, which is connected throughout; as it appears from the throne, and him that sitteth thereon; the Lamb; (who hitherto has appeared in the form of a man;) the four living creatures; and the four and twenty elders, represented from this place to the end. From this place, it is absolutely necessary to keep in mind the genuine order of the texts, as it stands in the preceding table. A door opened in heaven - Several of these openings are successively mentioned. Here a door is opened; afterward, the temple of God in heaven, # Rev 11:19|; 15:5; and, at last, heaven itself, 19:11. By each of these St. John gains a new and more extended prospect. And the first voice which I had heard - Namely, that of Christ: afterward, he heard the voices of many others. Said, Come up hither - Not in body, but in spirit; which was immediately done.
  • Gary Tatterson - In Reply on Revelation 4 - 2 years ago
    Thank you , I appreciate your answer
  • S Spencer. - In Reply on Revelation 4 - 2 years ago
    Hi Gary.

    I will share my thoughts.

    The Lord gives the outline of the book in chronological order and division of this book into 3 time periods of past, present, and future in Revelation 1:19. The things he has seen, "past tense" is the Glorified risen Christ, the things which are, "present tense" the Church here and now and the better of over 2000 years. And the things after these things, "future" Gods program after Revelation ch 2 and 3. "Church here on earth"

    That brings us to Revelation 4:1. "The Lord says I will show you the things hereafter" After What? The Church things!

    ( This is the things future tense described in Revelation 1:19.) " Things shall be hereafter ".

    Note: Revelation 4:1. We have an open door! Everyone around the throne had to go through that door. Who's the door?

    In Revelation 4:2. The scene is in Heaven.

    In Revelation 1:20. The Lord tells us that the seven golden candle sticks/lampstands in Revelation 1:12-13. Is the Churches. (The Church as a whole over the ages ). In Revelation ch 4 the lamp stands is in heaven.

    "After these things" you see the 24 elders/representatives in white robes, who has been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb and according to Revelation 5:9-10. They are kings and priest. Only three in scripture is called kings and priest, That's the Lord, Melchizedek, and the Church. 1 Peter 2:9.

    Hopefully that helps.

    God bless.
  • Adam - In Reply on Revelation 4 - 2 years ago
    Hi Gary,

    I don't know the answer to your question, but beware of people replying that go against scripture and don't cite any scripture themselves. God's word always dominates over man's opinion.

    1 Thessalonians 4:17 clearly talks about believers being caught up in the air.

    Luke 17:34-37

    1 Corinthians 15:52

    This event is called rapture and comes from the Bible.

    God bless
  • Glenn - In Reply on Revelation 4 - 2 years ago
    Ezekiel chapter 13 ,.. there's no rapture,.. there's no going away,.. pray , repent, an ask of God for knowledge

    Peace
  • Gary Tatterson on Revelation 4 - 2 years ago
    Is Revelation 4:1 , a type of the Rapture, or is it what John see's and what we will see immediately after the rapture ?, thanks
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Revelation 4 - 2 years ago
    Hi Robert.

    There's two popular views, One is they're the 12 Apostles and the sons of Jacob.

    The other view is they represent The Church/ Redeemed.

    Because of what's mentioned in Revelation 5:8-10.

    Revelation 1:6.

    and 1 Peter 2:5-9.

    Revelation 5:8-10. And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

    And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION;

    And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

    What's interesting is what's mentioned in Revelation 5:6. in conjuction with Revelation 2:1.

    Seems to be a change of location In Revelation Ch 2 and 3 Jesus is in the midst of the Church on Earth, by the time we get to Revelation 4:1. The scene is in heaven!! And Jesus is in the midst of the Church in Revelation 5:6.

    Revelation 5:6. And I beheld, and, lo,-

    -" IN THE MIDST OF THE THRONE AND OF THE FOUR BEASTS, AND IN THE MIDST OF THE ELDERS, STOOD A LAMB"

    as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

    If this is the Church they're in Heaven it seems to suggest a pre trib Rapture.

    God bless.
  • GiGi - In Reply on Revelation 4 - 2 years ago
    Hi.

    Perhaps they are the twelve sons of Jacob and the twelve apostles?
  • Robert Shumate on Revelation 4 - 2 years ago
    Who are the 24 elders
  • Rene - In Reply on Revelation 4 - 2 years ago
    It was not me who brought up color. I cut and paste the answer to my question my Amazon tablet gave me which linked erroneously this website. I checked again and whoever moderates the browser removed it and referenced the correct website. I'm sorry if I caused any confusion. It wasn't meant to be an interpretation

    My original was "What color is jasper and sardine stone". I shocked by the answer and I had to respond. Amazon fixed it.

    Again sorry
  • Rick Colombe - In Reply on Revelation 4 - 2 years ago
    Rene. Does our Lord's skin color change who He is? Why would you even bring your comment forward for all to see? Does Jesus' skin color really matter to you or any other believer? I pray not.
  • Rene on Revelation 4 - 2 years ago
    Jarsper and sardin stone are dark brown like that of the brass. The appearance of the creator here is undoutbtedly negroid and John describes it perfty. Jasper and sardin stones are the only mineral stones dark brown in appearance which looks very beautiful and fit well according to the appearance of the Creator.

    REVELATION 4:3 KJV "And he that sat was to look upon like ...

    www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Revelation

    Where did this comment come from. It popped up linking your site using Amazon fire tablet. First no man has seen the Father. Second jaspers come in a variety of colors. Look up Fancy Jaspers. " undoubtedly negroid"? Did you ever think that John was seeing His radiant glory that of a sunrise or sunset. This entry looks suspicious.
  • English Sacha - In Reply on Revelation 4 - 2 years ago
    You are correct , if you haven't read the Old Testament please do , it's even clearer in there and it's what Jesus believed in and was brought up on .
  • Chris - In Reply on Revelation 4 - 2 years ago
    Hello Edward. The number seven in the Bible often depicts fullness or perfection. Even if you go through the Book of the Revelation, & search out this number, you will find that it seems to represent the completeness of the subject (e.g. Revelation 1:4,12,20; 8:2; & many more, reveal this idea of the Church & the angels (leaders) of the Church in entirety).

    Therefore, in Revelation 4:5, we find the mention of "seven lamps (or, torches) of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God". Now we understand from the Word, there is only One God, Who sent out His Word & His Spirit to accomplish His Purposes. The Word became flesh & He (Jesus) gave His Life for the World & is now risen & seated at His Father's right Hand. Before this position beside God, Jesus was the Word from within God. The Spirit of God was also within God but sent out to accomplish all that God planned for mankind. The Work of the Spirit was manifold, which included empowering, convicting, residing, teaching, comforting, help in praying, giving Light, etc. The Spirit that is represented by those lamps before God's Throne, may well be the Holy depiction of God's Spirit that has been at Work to complete the Plans of God & stand before the Throne in testimony of God's Mighty Work.

    Fire has been associated with the Holy Spirit: Matthew 3:11,12 (purging); Acts 2:3 (infilling & empowering), & the Spirit stands represented by this Fire of God accomplishing all that God has purposed for the World. Others here may have more to add according to the revelation given to them.
  • Glenn - In Reply on Revelation 4 - 2 years ago
    The 7 candles of the menorah,. Marking the 7,000 of Gods elect
  • Edward Robbins on Revelation 4 - 2 years ago
    what about the seven spirits of God found in revelations?
  • Carleton - In Reply on Revelation 4 - 2 years ago
    Daniel 7:9 says "thrones were cast down" , if we were to consider this meaning, seats were set up. Seats for both Old and New Testament believers whom overcame forces of evil, kingdoms of the world, and understood and were kept spiritually safe in the church in the wilderness. True authority has one Throne and only one seated at the Throne. Lightenings and thunderings are the powers of God. How close can saved men be to this Throne, the Throne of Righteousness? As close as the New Covenant the rainbow. This rainbow is the hope and peace between God and saved men.The sea of glass is ahead of the Throne. The redeemed could stand on this sea of glass because their sins were now transparent. The light of God could pass through them completely because of the one seated at the Throne. The twenty-four elders fall down to worship him that sat on the throne. Living representations (beasts) of all of creation witness with the elders to the Truth upon the Throne as their creator too in their continued and everlasting worship saying, "Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come". The connection to the Cherubims of Genesis 3:24 which were living creatures to Ezekiel 10:20 "This is the living creature that I saw under the God of Israel by the river Chebar; and I knew that they were the cherubims." This chapter of Ezekiel helps to understand chapter 1 of Ezekiel where the beasts had the likeness of man, where man was the crown of God's creation in Christ Jesus.

    My meditation would lean towards that these Cherubims are the beasts and are at the four corners of the earth as borders to keep men ,because God so loved the world, on the straight and narrow way towards Salvation by the One on the Throne of God, Jesus Christ.

    :)
  • Mishael - In Reply on Revelation 4 - 2 years ago
    What can I say? I was going to bed. Sent the wrong link. My humble excuse
  • James - In Reply on Revelation 4 - 2 years ago
    I can assure you that the four beasts in Daniel 7 are not the same as the cherubs that sit around the throne of God in Chapter 4 of Revelation. They're wildly different beasts. If I inferred incorrectly your meaning and have fuddle your explanation, then I apologize and would request further information for clarification.
  • James - In Reply on Revelation 4 - 2 years ago
    I don't know about all of Earl's Comment. I have never heard that argument made, but very well could be some productive insight. I can tell you quiet simply that the four beast's are the four Cherubs that sit around the throne of God.They are mentioned multiple times throughout the Bible, including in exodus and such when Moses makes the mercy seat (a representation of God's throne). Ezekiel 10:14 & 1:10 (read the whole chapters) for Cherub detail. These 4 are not to be confused with the beasts that come later in Revelation. We know there was, at least, a 5th Cherub (Satan) who obviously fell from heaven.

    Each Cherub, and face, I have heard taught is a representation of each gospel. Matthew is the Lion, which went forth to the Jews. Focuses on the Lion of the tribe of Judah, gathered from the genealogy there of Jesus. A book that focuses on the Jewish Kingdom. Mark is the ox. A servant animal and focuses on Christ the servant. Luke the man. Focuses on Christ's physical, man qualities. Finally, John is the eagle. Its focus is on the spirit flying forth, the gospel being spread throughout the world. The difference being here that John answers the question of who Jesus is, where the other gospels focus on what Jesus is. Obviously there is much more to these explanations that can't be covered on a message board.

    That may be more information than you sought. I can't find my reference notes on Cherubs and hence I can't give you the additional verses referring to their characteristics. Maybe someone else would be so kind as to list them should they know of more.
  • WHAT ARE THE FOUR BEASTS - In Reply on Revelation 4 - 2 years ago
    GOOGLE THIS. Just type your question in that box

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  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on Revelation 4 - 2 years ago
    Thami, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Revelation 4:7

    The four beast should be translated as the four LIVING creatures.

    These four living creatures are ALL OF CREATION:

    Man, Cattle, Fowl, and Beast.

    We can see this same thing explained when God made a covenant with CREATION never to destroy it again with water.

    Genesis 9:9 And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you (Noah) (MAN), and with your seed (MAN)

    after you.

    Genesis 9:10 And with every living creature (CREATION) that is with you (MAN), of the FOWL, of the CATTLE, and of every BEAST of the earth with you (MAN).........

    Revelation 4:7 And the first living creature (CREATION) was a lion (BEAST), and the second living creature (CREATION) was a calf (CATTLE), and the third living creature (CREATION) had a face as a man (MAN), and the fourth living creature (CREATION) was a flying eagle (FOWL).

    This same thing is in:

    Ezekiel 1:10 As for the likeness of their faces, they (CREATION) four had the face of a MAN, and the face of a lion (BEAST), on the right side: and they (CREATION) four had the face of an ox (CATTLE) on the left side, they (CREATION) four had the face of an eagle (FOWL).
  • Thami on Revelation 4 - 2 years ago
    Good day, I would like to ask about the four beasts in Revelation 4:7. What do they represent?
  • Justin on Revelation 4 - 2 years ago
    its a question, what does the name 'Nicolaitans' stands for


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