Revelation Chapter 2 Discussion



 
  • Ronnette - in Reply on Revelation 2
    Our Spirits talk at each other. I know you are blessed by God. I enjoyed all verses you gave, every word in those chapters spoke clearly to me. All things work together for good for those who truly love God. Thank you my fellow bride in Christ. My prayers have been answered.

    Grace to you and peace from our God, The Father in Heaven and The Lord Jesus Christ.

    "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose." Romans 8:28 KJV
  • Ronnette - in Reply on Revelation 2
    Our Spirits talk at each other. I know you are blessed by God. I enjoyed all verses you gave, every word in those chapters spoke clearly to me. All things work together for good for those who truly love God. Thank you my fellow bride in Christ. My prayers have been answered.

    Grace to you and peace from our God, The Father in Heaven and The Lord Jesus Christ.
  • ELB - in Reply on Revelation 2
    Ronnette:

    1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the saviour of ALL MEN, specially those that believe.

    What do you think is going to happen when Christ resurrects those in the graves back to their bodies of flesh the second time; UNTO JUDGEMENT.

    Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature (creation) WAITETH for the MANIFESTATION of the SONS OF GOD (those that believe in this age of grace).

    Romans 8:21 Because the creature (creation) ITSELF also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption (the grave) into the glorious liberty of the children of God (when they are judged).

    Psalms 149:9 To execute upon them (those that died in unbelief) the judgement written, this HONOUR hath all his saints (those that believed).

    Isaiah 26:9 ....an when thy judgements (of the saints) are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world SHALL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

    1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things have been SUBDUED to him ...... GOD WILL BE ALL IN ALL.

    God Bless YOU!
  • Ronnette Radican on Revelation 2
    The more I read the entire Bible after the wisdom and knowledge hidden treasures from God, and of the Father, and of Jesus Christ, I do believe the seven churches refers to the true believers. One must examine their own self. You will find that the prophesy applies to all true believers. Otherwise, John would not write all the warnings given by God.

    I testify fully how the words speak to me. I walk only in the Spirit of God after the knowledge of the blood Jesus did to redeem me knowing I am a sinner according to the law.

    My fellow bride of Christ, the time is short. I see and talked to people about the truth according to what is written only in the KJV Bible. We cannot make them see what we see and read.

    I would ask a fervent prayers and fasting for saving as many as we can saved.

    I was just looking for more believers to do these prayers and fasting with me until Jesus comes in the cloud.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Revelation 2
    The seven churches in Revelation 1:4 were actual churches in that region in that day. So the Lord is giving messages specifically for these seven. But they are not the only churches in these areas.



    It is kind of interesting that if you do a little digging, you will find that each one of these cities is the head of the postal district in that area. So these are the main cities within their districts.

    And there are other churches around, but the Lord picked out seven. And again, each church has its own problems, and each church has its own good points.

    But everybody's church today has some of these things in it. In fact, if you put them all together, you would have the complete seven messages to the church before Christ comes back.

    It tells us in Revelation 1:20 that the seven stars are the seven angels of these 7 churches.
  • H a m p l e t o n H i c KS on Revelation 2
    The meaning of the seven churches and the Seven Stars
  • Philip Christian Parks on Revelation 2
    Regarding the Nicolaitans Rev. 2:6) = The proper name means "conqueror (or destroyer) of the laity (people)." There is no proof that they were disciples of the Nicolas mentioned only in Acts 6:5. The reader certainly should not desire to defame that particular Nicolas based on conjecture or speculation.

    The implication of the term "Nicolaitan" suggests that a despotic authoritarian, or a power-grabbing hierarchy desired to assume unauthorized lordship as priests over the church, thus usurping The Headship of CHRIST ( Eph. 1:22; 5:23; Col. 1:18).

    The church must never underestimate the influential power these charismatic religious heretics have over gullible churches. Note how the Ephesian Church hated "the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I (our Glorified CHRIST) also hate" ( Rev. 2:1-6). Yet, the Pergamos Church appointed certain Nicolaitans into their church leadership positions and adopted and practiced ("hold") "the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate" ( Rev. 2:12-16).

    There, the word "hold" ( Rev. 2:15) translates from the Greek verb root (pronounced "kra-TEH-"), which speaks of church leaders using dictatorial power over the church to enforce their Nicolaitan "doctrine". This sets a dangerous precedence, for the powerful often gain manipulative power over the church far beyond that prescribed in the New Testament (cp. Mt. 20:25-28; 1Pet. 5:2-3).

    If "Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them" (3Jn. v.9), was not a Nicolaitan, he certainly seemed to have patterned his authoritarian intimidation after their doctrine.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Revelation 2
    Hi Carl.

    Here's a day on our time clock.

    Genesis 1:5. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.

    ( AND THE EVENING AND THE MORNING WERE THE FIRST DAY.)

    24 hours to us.

    God bless.
  • Michael Monaghan - in Reply on Revelation 2
    Dear Carl, I have the exact question about ten days as you. I have worried over this part of v10. Thanks for asking. I wish I knew. Best, Mike.
  • Chris - in Reply on Revelation 2
    Donna, the answer is given in Revelation 1:20 & these pertain to the seven Churches outlined in Revelation chapters 2 & 3.
  • Donna on Revelation 2
    What are the seven stars and seven golden candlesticks in Rev. 2:1?
  • T. Levis - in Reply on Revelation 2
    Hopefully these scriptures are helpful

    2 Peter 3:8

    Psalms 90:4

    Daniel 9

    Ezekiel 4
  • Carl on Revelation 2
    5 Oct 2021

    In reference to verse 10, actually how long is ten days?

    Literal or does each day represent months or years?
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} GRACE Through faith - in Reply on Revelation 2
    Precious friend, I apologize if I was 'vague' about "GRACE Through faith" 'alone.' This ONLY refers to the 'past tense' Of God's ETERNAL Salvation! Hope this 'clears up' any Misunderstanding:

    God's Will, Today, Under HIS PURE GRACE? Very Simply, To "know you're going to heaven":

    (1) God 'Establishes HIS Eternal Relationship' With those who humbly:

    believe, 100% trust, place Total faith, In The LORD JESUS CHRIST, HIS Death {Precious BLOOD}, Burial, And HIS Resurrection, According To The Scriptures! ( 1 Corinthians 15:3-4) ( Ephesians 2:8-9) ( Romans 3-5)

    "GRACE Through faith" 'Alone,' In The Merits Of HIS Precious And ALL-Sufficient BLOOD Results:

    All sins Forgiven, HIS Eternal Life, And, Peace With God! {This Is Eternal DELIVERANCE From the PENALTY of sin!} ETERNAL 'Justification' First, And, THEN:

    (2) The believer SHOULD do "good works" {Which will NEVER EQUAL CHRIST's PAYMENT For the above PENALTY of sin!}, for Which we Are Created In CHRIST JESUS, to perform for HIM, ( Ephesians 2:10), having "been Called into fellowship With HIM!" ( 1 Corinthians 1:9) Amen?:

    We "work out 'OUR OWN' salvation" {This SHOULD Be a lifetime of DELIVERANCE From the POWER of sin!} This is OUR 'Personal' sanctification, and Must not be confused with the above "Justification Which ONLY God Can 'Perform!'" Notice the JUDGMENT DAY, Showing

    These DIFFERENCES! ( 1 Corinthians 3:7-15):

    1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

    1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: {'personal' sanctification}...

    ...but he himself Shall Be SAVED {God's JUSTIFICATION}; yet so as by fire.

    Yes, 'fooling ourselves' is By "Mixing these TWO" Up saying they are both FOR ETERNAL Life, thus NULLIFYING "The ALL-Sufficient BLOOD" Of The Saviour, JESUS CHRIST! Amen?

    Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!

    ( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 =

    Grace/Mystery fellowship, today?)
  • Brother dan on Revelation 2
    Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

    I hope all are healthy. I am interested in serving others and doing God's will on this blessed Sabbath Day!



    So I will continue to address the current popular christian belief of Faith/Grace and Nothing else. I will share some scripture below that affirms that Jesus will judge us according to our works.

    Revelation 2:23

    "And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works."

    Revelation 22:12

    "And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be."

    James 2:19-24

    19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

    God gives us the choice to believe and accept this scripture and act on it, or ignore it. It is our choice. It's might be easy to fool ourselves, but we can't fool God!

    God Bless.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Revelation 2
    Hi Sheila.

    Good observation. Dan and Ephraim is omitted from witnessing in Revelation, However Dan goes into the Millennium kingdom, And so does Ephraim.

    I believe they lost their Witness but not Brotherhood for lack of better terms.

    Appearance in the Millennium-

    Ezekiel 47:22. And it shall come to pass, that ye shall divide it by lot for an inheritance unto you, and to the strangers that sojourn among you, which shall beget children among you: and they shall be unto you as born in the country among the children of Israel; they shall have inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel.

    Ezekiel 47:23. And it shall come to pass, that in what tribe the stranger sojourneth, there shall ye give him his inheritance, saith the Lord GOD.

    Ezekiel 48:1-2. Now these are the names of the tribes. From the north end to the coast of the way of Hethlon, as one goeth to Hamath, Hazar-enan, the border of Damascus northward, to the coast of Hamath; for these are his sides east and west; a portion for DAN.

    And by the border of DAN, from the east side unto the west side, a portion for Asher.

    Ezekiel 48:5. And by the border of Manasseh, from the east side unto the west side, a portion for Ephraim.

    God bless.
  • Sheila Davis - in Reply on Revelation 2
    Genesis 49:16-17 Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel. Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that bite is the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backwards.

    Those were the words of Jacob to Dan concerning The Last Days _ Genesis 49:1and Jacob called unto his sons, and said, gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days.



    Isn't it possible and most likely that it is through the tribe of Dan that the Antichrist of the Beast shall arise from?

    What Jacob said to Dan is almost the same exact words God said to the serpent in Eden after the fall of Adam - plus directly calling him a serpent.

    The Tribe of Dan was lost in idolatry and was rebellious, if my understanding is correct, refuse the land God allotted him, wiped out a people and took their land.

    If my belief is correct, all the original 12 Tribes of Israel will be present in the last day - one in the fallen state.
  • TRIBES OF ISRAEL - in Reply on Revelation 2
    John the Apostle omits the tribe of Dan when mentioning the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel, in regard to the 144,000 sealed Israelites. Instead of Dan, the tribe of Joseph appears twice (being also represented by Manasseh).

    Ten Lost Tribes of Israel, 10 of the original 12 Hebrew tribes, which, under the leadership of Joshua, took possession of Canaan, the Promised Land, after the death of Moses. They were named Asher, Dan, Ephraim, Gad, Issachar, Manasseh, Naphtali, Reuben, Simeon, and Zebulun-all sons or grandsons of Jacob.

    The Book of Joshua records that the tribes of Reuben, Gad and half of Manasseh were allocated land by Moses on the eastern side of the Jordan River and the Dead Sea ( Joshua 13:15-23). ... By 900 BC, some of the territory and Reuben and Gad had been captured by the Moabite kingdom.

    The Levites do not get an inheritance of land; rather, they are scattered among the other tribes through the allocation of cities among the other tribes.

    You're going to have to google reputable websites; even Jewish ones.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Revelation 2
    Hi Carol.

    Ephraim and Dan may have been omitted in Revelation 7 is because they was the first to go into Idolatry and they Lost their Witness.

    Deuteronomy 29:18. Lest there should be among you man, or woman, or family, or (TRIBE,) whose heart turneth away this day from the LORD our God, to go and serve the gods of these nations; lest there should be among you a root that beareth gall and wormwood;

    Judges 18:30. And the children of Dan set up the graven image: and Jonathan, the son of Gershom, the son of Manasseh, he and his sons were priests to the tribe of Dan until the day of the captivity of the land.

    However just speculation.

    God bless.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Revelation 2
    Carol Bartow,

    You are welcome. As for why Dan is not listed as one of the 12 tribes, I don't know the answer to that. I'm not even sure the Bible tells us why. I did read something about it somewhere but I can't remember where or what it even said. Hopefully someone here can shed some light on the reason for the omission. That is a great question. You have me wondering myself!
  • Carol Bartow - in Reply on Revelation 2
    Jesse, thank you so much for answering my question. It is something I have wondered for a long time and could not find anyone I knew that could answer it. It appears several times in Revelation and I can now read it with more understanding.

    Also, do you know why the tribe of Dan is not included in the 144,000? It names all the other tribes including the 2 tribes of Joseph, but not Dan. In reading the Old Testament, I see many reasons why Ephraim could have been omitted, but have not found why Dan. Ephraim is not specifically named but is referred to as 'of the tribe of Joseph'.

    As to the Carla Bartow to whom you refer, I don't know of any. My Dad was the youngest of 13 children and was 20 some years younger than the oldest. Several had large families, most of which were in the western Nebraska area. We moved to Missouri when I was 2 and because in the 40's and 50's money was short, we did not visit them. There were also members of my grandfather's family in Pennsylvania and Oklahoma, but we never met them.

    Again, thank you very much for your help.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Revelation 2
    Carol,

    The word Nicolaitan is actually made up of two Greek words. The first word is pronounced "Nee-kay" which is the Greek word that means to overcome. It is actually spelled like the sneaker with the swoosh mark on it. I can't spell it out because this site will reject it as advertisement. The second Greek word is LAOS which means the people.

    So the word Nicolaitan represented the democratic control of the people in the church, where the leaders ruled and lorded it over the flock. And the Lord says He hates that. Jesus Christ is still the head over the church, not the church leaders, or so called Nicolaitans. God speaks to His people in the church and in the congregations, and those in ministry positions need to be sensitive and humbled to that fact.

    In the church, we are all equal. No one should lord and rule over us because Christ is our Lord. If God wanted me to be a leader, it would not be because I am more special than any other believer. He might call me to that particular function, but that doesn't mean that once I start functioning in that area, that I know the Lord better than anyone else.

    Many churches over the years have fallen because the leaders took human control over the church, and these leaders themselves were not governed by God's Spirit. So church leaders are not there to rule and lord over God's people. The human democracy over God's people, God says He hates! That's who the Nicolaitans are!

    If I may ask, I have a friend Carla Bartow (Patterson) who has a sister named Carol Bartow. Would that be you?
  • Carol Bartow on Revelation 2
    Who or what were the Nicolaitans?
  • Bendito Palavra - in Reply on Revelation 2
    To better understand the admonition of Jesus to the church of Ephesus, it is helpful to go back to study Paul's epistle to the Ephesians.
  • Kathleen K. Collins on Revelation 2
    Trying to learn Revelation, thank God this is available!
  • Daniel on Revelation 2
    Rereading verse 5, "the good works"...

    Where do we find these good works (specified) ?
  • Chris - in Reply on Revelation 2
    Hello Estela. Yes, many people have enquired how a good God can permit so much suffering upon us. If He is so good, shouldn't He step in & put an end to sicknesses, diseases, murders, etc.?

    I think of it this way: if God did put a stop to these things, then they would only be temporary, since every man, woman & child is born a sinner ( Romans 3:23), & because of our sinful condition, all these things come upon us. When Adam & Eve were created, they were sinless, enjoying God's Presence continually, no sickness, in harmony with animal life around them, & would never see death. But once they disobeyed God & sinned, they lost all that perfection, & they had to hide from God (Genesis chapters 2 & 3).

    And ever since, their sinful nature & death was passed upon all of us ( Romans 5:12) & the proof is the way we behave before God & our fellow-man even now. Even the one who murders another is no different to the one who has hate in his heart, according to Jesus ( Matthew 5:21,22). Or the man who cheats on his wife is the same as the one who cheats on his taxes. So all these evil traits that we might have in us are a result of indwelling sin. Yes, God can stop us from doing those evil acts, but evil will always be with us & in our hearts - and this is unacceptable before God.

    What God has done, was to give us a new heart & a new spirit so that we won't do those things that come from within ( Matthew 15:19). If our heart is clean & right before God, we won't do evil & hurt one another and that was why He sent His Son to this Earth to give His Life. Jesus paid the price for our sin, which we couldn't pay, & made us acceptable before God & a clean vessel to be used by Him. So in God's Sight, stopping the murder of someone doesn't fix the problem of murder: murder will always happen, whether against someone or in our hearts. The solution to stop them is that they be changed on the inside. But most people refuse His salvation & so evil will continue with so much suffering.
  • Estela on Revelation 2
    I have been saddened by questions that many people have ask me , and I have tried to answer as much as I

    Could but , notice that the people were not satisfied or convince. They asked me if there is a god why is there

    So much suffering and pain , why does he permit killings, rapes , and sickness, pain around the world.

    They asked if is true God exist why doesn't he stops all this evil.

    Thank you
  • Vernon muchindu on Revelation 2
    Very much interested
  • D W L - in Reply on Revelation 2
    Romans 9:15 For he saith to Moses, (I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy), and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

    Revelation 3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

    Luke 18:2-5 Saying, There was in a city a judge, which feared not God, neither regarded man: 3 And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary. 4 And he would not for a while: but afterward he said within himself, Though I fear not God, nor regard man; 5 Yet because this widow troubleth me, I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me.


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