Revelation Chapter 2 Discussion

  • Carol Bartow on Revelation 2
    Who or what were the Nicolaitans?
  • Jesse - in Reply on Revelation 2

    The word Nicolaitan is actually made up of two Greek words. The first word is pronounced "Nee-kay" which is the Greek word that means to overcome. It is actually spelled like the sneaker with the swoosh mark on it. I can't spell it out because this site will reject it as advertisement. The second Greek word is LAOS which means the people.

    So the word Nicolaitan represented the democratic control of the people in the church, where the leaders ruled and lorded it over the flock. And the Lord says He hates that. Jesus Christ is still the head over the church, not the church leaders, or so called Nicolaitans. God speaks to His people in the church and in the congregations, and those in ministry positions need to be sensitive and humbled to that fact.

    In the church, we are all equal. No one should lord and rule over us because Christ is our Lord. If God wanted me to be a leader, it would not be because I am more special than any other believer. He might call me to that particular function, but that doesn't mean that once I start functioning in that area, that I know the Lord better than anyone else.

    Many churches over the years have fallen because the leaders took human control over the church, and these leaders themselves were not governed by God's Spirit. So church leaders are not there to rule and lord over God's people. The human democracy over God's people, God says He hates! That's who the Nicolaitans are!

    If I may ask, I have a friend Carla Bartow (Patterson) who has a sister named Carol Bartow. Would that be you?
  • Carol Bartow - in Reply on Revelation 2
    Jesse, thank you so much for answering my question. It is something I have wondered for a long time and could not find anyone I knew that could answer it. It appears several times in Revelation and I can now read it with more understanding.

    Also, do you know why the tribe of Dan is not included in the 144? It names all the other tribes including the 2 tribes of Joseph, but not Dan. In reading the Old Testament, I see many reasons why Ephraim could have been omitted, but have not found why Dan. Ephraim is not specifically named but is referred to as 'of the tribe of Joseph'.

    As to the Carla Bartow to whom you refer, I don't know of any. My Dad was the youngest of 13 children and was 20 some years younger than the oldest. Several had large families, most of which were in the western Nebraska area. We moved to Missouri when I was 2 and because in the 40's and 50's money was short, we did not visit them. There were also members of my grandfather's family in Pennsylvania and Oklahoma, but we never met them.

    Again, thank you very much for your help.
  • TRIBES OF ISRAEL - in Reply on Revelation 2
    John the Apostle omits the tribe of Dan when mentioning the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel, in regard to the 144 sealed Israelites. Instead of Dan, the tribe of Joseph appears twice (being also represented by Manasseh).

    Ten Lost Tribes of Israel, 10 of the original 12 Hebrew tribes, which, under the leadership of Joshua, took possession of Canaan, the Promised Land, after the death of Moses. They were named Asher, Dan, Ephraim, Gad, Issachar, Manasseh, Naphtali, Reuben, Simeon, and Zebulun-all sons or grandsons of Jacob.

    The Book of Joshua records that the tribes of Reuben, Gad and half of Manasseh were allocated land by Moses on the eastern side of the Jordan River and the Dead Sea (Joshua 13:15-23). ... By 900 BC, some of the territory and Reuben and Gad had been captured by the Moabite kingdom.

    The Levites do not get an inheritance of land; rather, they are scattered among the other tribes through the allocation of cities among the other tribes.

    You're going to have to google reputable websites; even Jewish ones.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Revelation 2
    Hi Carol.

    Ephraim and Dan may have been omitted in Revelation 7 is because they was the first to go into Idolatry and they Lost their Witness.

    Deuteronomy 29:18. Lest there should be among you man, or woman, or family, or (TRIBE,) whose heart turneth away this day from the LORD our God, to go and serve the gods of these nations; lest there should be among you a root that beareth gall and wormwood;

    Judges 18:30. And the children of Dan set up the graven image: and Jonathan, the son of Gershom, the son of Manasseh, he and his sons were priests to the tribe of Dan until the day of the captivity of the land.

    However just speculation.

    God bless.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Revelation 2
    Carol Bartow,

    You are welcome. As for why Dan is not listed as one of the 12 tribes, I don't know the answer to that. I'm not even sure the Bible tells us why. I did read something about it somewhere but I can't remember where or what it even said. Hopefully someone here can shed some light on the reason for the omission. That is a great question. You have me wondering myself!
  • Kathleen K. Collins on Revelation 2
    Trying to learn Revelation, thank God this is available!
  • Daniel on Revelation 2
    Rereading verse 5, "the good works"...

    Where do we find these good works (specified) ?
  • Bendito Palavra - in Reply on Revelation 2
    To better understand the admonition of Jesus to the church of Ephesus, it is helpful to go back to study Paul's epistle to the Ephesians.
  • Estela on Revelation 2
    I have been saddened by questions that many people have ask me , and I have tried to answer as much as I

    Could but , notice that the people were not satisfied or convince. They asked me if there is a god why is there

    So much suffering and pain , why does he permit killings, rapes , and sickness, pain around the world.

    They asked if is true God exist why doesn't he stops all this evil.

    Thank you
  • Chris - in Reply on Revelation 2
    Hello Estela. Yes, many people have enquired how a good God can permit so much suffering upon us. If He is so good, shouldn't He step in & put an end to sicknesses, diseases, murders, etc.?

    I think of it this way: if God did put a stop to these things, then they would only be temporary, since every man, woman & child is born a sinner (Romans 3:23), & because of our sinful condition, all these things come upon us. When Adam & Eve were created, they were sinless, enjoying God's Presence continually, no sickness, in harmony with animal life around them, & would never see death. But once they disobeyed God & sinned, they lost all that perfection, & they had to hide from God (Genesis chapters 2 & 3).

    And ever since, their sinful nature & death was passed upon all of us (Romans 5:12) & the proof is the way we behave before God & our fellow-man even now. Even the one who murders another is no different to the one who has hate in his heart, according to Jesus (Matthew 5:21,22). Or the man who cheats on his wife is the same as the one who cheats on his taxes. So all these evil traits that we might have in us are a result of indwelling sin. Yes, God can stop us from doing those evil acts, but evil will always be with us & in our hearts - and this is unacceptable before God.

    What God has done, was to give us a new heart & a new spirit so that we won't do those things that come from within (Matthew 15:19). If our heart is clean & right before God, we won't do evil & hurt one another and that was why He sent His Son to this Earth to give His Life. Jesus paid the price for our sin, which we couldn't pay, & made us acceptable before God & a clean vessel to be used by Him. So in God's Sight, stopping the murder of someone doesn't fix the problem of murder: murder will always happen, whether against someone or in our hearts. The solution to stop them is that they be changed on the inside. But most people refuse His salvation & so evil will continue with so much suffering.
  • Vernon muchindu on Revelation 2
    Very much interested
  • Angela on Revelation 2
    We're in revelation it tells u the sign of the times
  • Edwin saunooke on Revelation 2
    who is the angel of the church?
  • Frances Tindley on Revelation 2
    Question does it say any where in the Bible God will throw your sins into the sea of forgiveness?

    please send and answer to my email address

    Thanks in advance
  • Jesse - in Reply on Revelation 2
    Frances Tindley,

    You might want to take a look at Micah 7:19. That may be what you are referring to. Also, I think sharing email addresses is prohibited on this website according to the rules of use.
  • Malachi on Revelation 2
    nice sciptre
  • Clinton Wieneke on Revelation 2
    How do I know which, English or Afrikaans, bible translations are true to the original transcripts, and which ones are not.
  • S Spencer on Revelation 2
    Here is God in us all,

    Ephesians 4:4-6 . There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

    One Lord, one faith, one baptism,


    "Now here is the Holyspirit and Christ in you and the Holyspirit is called the spirit of Christ"

    Romans 8:9-10. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the

    (((Spirit of God dwell in you)))

    (((Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.)))

    "Here is Christ in us"

    (((And if Christ be in you))) the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

    "Again God in you"

    1 Corinthians 3:16. Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

    There is Lord and one Spirit, God is a spirit. What kind of spirit is God? "Holy"!!

    Jesus was in the bosom of the Father and manifested in the flesh, How do a spirit have a bosom as we know a bosom? Revelation 1:8. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, (((the Almighty)))

    Here is that in the Greek Greek:

    Transliteration: pantokratr

    Pronunciation: pan-tok-rat'-ore

    Definition: From G3956 and G2904; the all ruling that is God (as absolute and universal sovereign): - Almighty Omnipotent.

    KJV Usage: Almighty(9x), omnipotent(1x).

    Occurs: 10

    In verses: 10
  • S Spencer on Revelation 2
    Galatians 5:9. A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump..
  • Timothy on Revelation 2
    In Revelation 22:11 I discern a definite reference to the closing of human probation upon the earth since the language spoken declares them forever after the character our Lord Jesus says they are. In chapters 15: verses 1 and 8, then chapter 16, we have the time for the pouring out of God's wrath (without mixture according to Revelation 14:10). The reference of those who live in the very end of human probation will live through the time of trouble. while the holy righteous class have the promise of mercy and protection even from the holy cherubim (see Psalms 7 and 91) the rest who are unjust and filthy shall receive the full wrath of God and be slain afterwards by the brightness of our Lord's glorious appearing, when He comes to be glorified in His saints. Both 2 Thessalonians 1:6-8; 2:8; Revelation 19:21. These Scriptures help us also to understand how the Lord will be said to come as a thief in the night during the outpouring of His wrath. His wrath upon those who have been marked for wrath are in contrast to them that are sealed in their foreheads. I am saddened that many will be unprepared to meet Him in peace, either because the have failed to put off sins by repentance and faith in our Lord and Savior, Messiah Jesus. Also many will be lost because they have been given a delusional eschatology and told they will be removed before the time of God's wrath. Jesus is coming soon, may we all be ready.
  • Jackie on Revelation 2
    Hi what does it mean in the book of revelation that the dead in christ will raise first?
  • Kevin markham - in Reply on Revelation 2
    the dead in Christ will rise first means that those who where believers but that have fallen asleep (died) before Christ's return shall be raised up before those believers that are still alive. those who are still alive will be taken up into the air and transformed!!! pretty awesome to think about!!
  • Sacha - in Reply on Revelation 2
    You have to trust in God ,just because a situation seems unfavourable to you doesnt mean that it is ,God knows all things from ever lasting to ever lasting ,whatever is going on in your life you must trust that God will put you where you are supposed to be according to his purpose for you ,pray for His mercy and for His will to be done in your life ,He always knows what and where is best for you better than you yourself do .
  • Georganna - in Reply on Revelation 2
    Thank you for your reply. I found 1 Peter 5:6-7 during my studies today. and I'm reading a book on Romans 8:28 I just wish man would not blindside me or hint at unknown outcomes.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Revelation 2
    Hi Georganna, Here's another scripture that go along with those you already have, 2 Corinthians 12:9-10. And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

    Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong. God does answer, I think often we try to muster up faith for our request but we take our eyes off God's Attributes, God is Love, God is Mercy, God is Justice, ect. We can put our faith in him and who he is and he will do his will which is always the best thing for us. I hope that helps
  • Georganna Moore - in Reply on Revelation 2
    Thank you, it's just the waiting to see what will happen (the eleventh hour) and not knowing what to prepare for next.

    If God gave me this purpose, why is man interfering. I truly do trust the Lord! It's like Hospice patients you wish they weren't dying but it's the natural path so you resolve that fact and you make them comfortable and wait.
  • KC - in Reply on Revelation 2
    It lasted about a 1/2 year (180 days). Look to Esther 1 starting at verse for.
  • BETTY HALL on Revelation 2
    Re: Discussion regarding once saved, always saved

    If saved person commits sin after he was saved, does he remain saved to the end? Is his name not written in the Book of Life at his salvation? Can his name be stricken from the book? If so, for what reasons? If he simply repents can his name be added back at that moment? Or, does he have to be judged on the day of judgement to be added back? I am truly lost on scriptures regarding once saved, always saved! After judgement, then Jesus makes the final decision right? How does this all work?
  • Mild Bill - in Reply on Revelation 2

    There are no temporary Christians.At the point you trust Christ to have paid for your sins,you are forgiven of all sins,past,present and future.I liken salvation to a person who is crossing a busy road.At some point between the curbs the person is suddenly hurled forward and out of the road.When they turn back to see what has happened,they find that someone has pushed them out of the path of a vehicle that would surely have killed them.Where they were,is the body of that person who gave his life for them.Recognizing that person was gracious to them and saved them,they want to know more about him and revere him in their life as gratitude for what he did.There is no doubt in their mind about what it was he did for them,as the experience was real for them.Despite their recount of the event,other people who never had that happen to them,question the verity of the story.It is not until they themselves are saved,no longer between the curbs on a road,can they lend some understanding to the truth of the story.

    There are two judgements from God in the future.One is at the Great White Throne,where unsaved people answer to God for the life they lived.(Revelation 20:11-15)The other judgement is for Christians,called the Judgement Seat of Christ.(2Corinthians 5:8-11 & 1Corinthians 3:9-15)) At that judgement,Christ will examine the" works"of believers and reward them accordingly.Saved people,in their desire to repay God for salvation,will do many things,only some of which are indeed what God wants them to do.Other things are their own works,which will never measure up to the standard of,being of God,and the rebuke of Christ then,is gladly received,only this once,and never again to be judged.Corinthians 6:1"We then,as workers together with him,beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain. In vain,would be to minimize Christ's work,by adding yours to it so as to save your soul.

    "I know whom",1Timothy1:12,and I pray that you do, or will come to also.

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