Revelation Chapter 2 Discussion Page 4



 
  • TheAmbassadors4Christorg - In Reply on Revelation 2 - 3 years ago
    What was the purpose of writing this message? We all know that there is one God. We should never debate the Godhead. Only through the Holy Spirit can it be shown the Oneness of God rather than a triune God that most people believe in this world. This is just one example why we have over 200 denominations under the umbrella of Christianity. Having over 200 denominations is not of God. There is only 1 truth. Jesus is the head of the church. How did we get to this place? Let this mind be in you that was also in Christ Jesus --- This was created by man's wisdom.

    Note: Water can exist in three forms: Solid, liquid and gas. What is common among these forms -- They all contain 2 hydrogens and 1 oxygen. But we don't call them by different names. Why? Because its still water.

    Another example --- The disciples in the book of Acts baptized in the name of Jesus Christ; this fulfilled the scriptures that Jesus told them to baptize in the 'name' of the Father, and of the Son and the Holy Spirit..... What name should we baptize in? The 12 disciples who became apostles baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Is this a coincidence? No. The Holy Spirit revealed to them the Oneness of God. When you're not baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, your sins have not been remitted (forgiven).
  • Chris - In Reply on Revelation 2 - 3 years ago
    As you started to read Hosea chapter 4, you would have noticed the extensive list of sins mounted against Israel & that certain judgement & destruction would follow. So in verse 5, the thought is that this judgement will fall upon the individual, the prophet (presumably those who falsely prophesied), & the mother (a reference to the whole nation, who mothered them). In verse 6, God speaks to this 'mother', that "He will (altogether) forget her children".

    Yes, the priests are the focus here, as those who should have given out the knowledge of God through His Laws, thereby bringing restraint by the people towards such rampant sin, but failed to do so. As a result, both man & his land will be destroyed (taken away into Assyrian captivity) as punishment when they should have rather come to their senses & enjoyed the full blessings of God. How much we also deny ourselves by not following hard after the Lord by giving Him second place in our lives, when we have all the blessings of Heaven at our disposal & enjoyment.
  • Richard in Christ on Revelation 2 - 3 years ago
    I don't understand why people want to condemn others who believe in God a certain way. We all worship the same God. There is only one true God and only one way to God. Through His Son Jesus Christ. Who was a free gift from our Father to pay for our sins. Having faith and giving yourself to Jesus Christ is the most important thing.

    There is only one God our Father. Should we not honor the Son as we honor the Father? Like we're told. Does not Jesus Christ have all the power and authority of the Father? Given to Him by the Father. I myself don't believe Jesus Christ is God the Father but that the Father is in Him and He in the Father. I also believe in the deity of Christ that He was with the Father before He came to earth. Like He says. Can I explain all this? No. That's what I believe and it all came to me through the Holy Bible.

    A couple verses showing God the Father is not Jesus Christ:

    Matthew 26:39 And He went a little further, and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from Me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

    John 8:17-18, 17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.

    18 I am one that bear witness of Myself, and the Father that sent Me beareth witness of Me.

    Hebrews 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, today have I begotten thee.

    Hebrews 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us

    ( 2 Peter 1:17-18, 17 For He received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to Him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

    18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with Him in the holy mount.

    Why can't some believe in two, plus the Holy Ghost, which is three in this new covenant? One God.
  • T on Revelation 2 - 3 years ago
    I wonder what God meant in Hosea 4:5 by "I will destroy your mother." Isn't He speaking to the priests of Israel? What is the main truth behind this text?
  • Sacha on Revelation 2 - 3 years ago
    I have only just realised that i am Job , you are Job ,we are all Job .
  • Steven Spencer on Revelation 2 - 3 years ago
    Mark 1:2-3 (KJV) As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

    The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

    Isaiah 40:3-5 - The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

    Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:

    And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
  • Steven Spencer on Revelation 2 - 3 years ago
    Here's more scriptures in the old testament why we believe in the trinity.

    Malachi 2:17 Ye have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the LORD, and he delighteth in them; or,

    ( Where is the God of judgment? ) ""Notice ch 3.1."" Malachi 3:1 (KJV) Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. ""Now let's tie this together with a few more verses"" ( Isaiah 40:3-The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.) Now let's see who came as these 2 characters. Matthew 11:10 - ( For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.) John the baptists came in the office of Elijah and God came manifested in the flesh. ( If he didn't Malachi, Isaiah and Jesus got it wrong. )
  • Steven Spencer - In Reply on Revelation 2 - 3 years ago
    Isaiah ch 11, and I sent you a few others but ran out of space on my former reply. thanks. now some he's going to rule in our hearts and the kingdom has already started, It certainly don't seem like that logic is working for them today does it, Now you just opened the door for a theology thats out of this universe, here comes the copy and paste ministry.
  • Steven Spencer - In Reply on Revelation 2 - 3 years ago
    Revelation 20:4 - And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    Revelation 20:1-15 - And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (Read More...)

    Revelation 20:7 - And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

    Isaiah 2:2-4 - And it shall come to pass in the last days, [that] the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. (Read More...)

    Isaiah 65:25 - The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust [shall be] the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

    Matthew 19:28 - And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

    Zechariah 8:3 - Thus saith the LORD; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the LORD of hosts the holy mountain.

    Zechariah 14:16 - And it shall come to pass, [that] every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

    Revelation 5:10 - And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

    Daniel 2:44 - And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never b
  • Harry on Revelation 2 - 3 years ago
    Where in scripture/scriptures does a kingdom on Earth be jjustified? I strongly attach myself to a pre-rapture theology.
  • Chris - In Reply on Revelation 2:7 - 3 years ago
    If you type the word in the Search Box at the top left of the Main Page, it will give you your answer. As it happens, the word 'Church' appears 114 times.

    However, the word 'Church' is from the Greek, 'Ekklesia', & this means 'an assembly or congregation'. So in Acts 7:38, Stephen, when testifying to the Jews, mentioned "the church (which was) in the wilderness", referring to the Israelite congregation that had fled the bondage in Egypt. So the 'Church' that was born from Jesus Christ is only seen in the New Testament, but it can have a broader meaning to any assembling of people or congregation, specifically those meeting as part of a religious group or gathering.

    And then one sees a group such as the "Church of Scientology" who regard themselves as a Church (because of the primary meaning of 'Ekklesia'), but has almost no reference in its teaching to anything of God & Christ leaving such belief to the conviction of its adherents.
  • Steven Spencer - In Reply on Revelation 2:7 - 3 years ago
    it actually says the paradise of GOD, thats always heaven in the scripture
  • James Canady - In Reply on Revelation 2:7 - 3 years ago
    The answers to your question is yes
  • Chris - In Reply on Revelation 2:7 - 3 years ago
    This can be a difficult question to answer depending on how you understand certain Scriptures.

    For those who deem that Heaven & Paradise are the same location, they will cite 2 Corinthians 12:4 & Revelation 2:7, where in each of these references, Paul & John indicated that Heaven, the abode of God, is intended.

    For those who believe that Paradise is a separate place, they will appeal to the location of departed souls pre-Cross, as in Luke chapter 16. Here we see the rich man being tormented in hell, & beyond the separating gulf, there was Lazarus, the beggar, who enjoyed relative comfort. And in Luke 23:43, Jesus tells the thief on the Cross that he would also go to Paradise with Him. We assume that this wasn't Heaven, as Jesus said that He had not ascended to the Father ( John 20:17). We understand that while Jesus' Body was in the sepulchre for the three days, Jesus, as also the thief, went down into Paradise. But at Jesus' bodily resurrection, those bodies in the graves also arose ( Matthew 27:53) with Him & we might assume that their souls once held in Paradise were now released to enter Heaven.

    Some compartmentalize Hades with a section of suffering & another section of comfort. At Christ's death & resurrection, the souls who were in comfort (being noted for their faith & love for God), were released from there & taken into Heaven, the abode of God. However, the wicked still remain in Hades awaiting their final judgement & casting into the Lake of Fire (in the future).

    So in answer to your question, both Heaven & Paradise can now be correctly considered as one & the same. But there was a distinction made pre-Cross, as those held in that Paradise (a place of comfort) awaited the great event of Christ's Sacrifice that provided the payment for their sins based on their faith & removed their condemnation. Romans 8:1.
  • Mishael - In Reply on Revelation 2:1 - 3 years ago
    Not all Bibles have red letters. I just like my study Bibles to have them.

    I'm more focused on when people try to delete scriptures.

    Revelation 22:18-19
  • Cara - In Reply on Revelation 2:1 - 3 years ago
    Red-Letter (Rubricated) Edition Bibles

    Louis "Klopsch published the first modern red letter edition New Testament later in 1899. The first modern, fully rubricated bible was published in 1901."1 According to Wikipedia,2

    Because the original texts of the Sacred Scriptures do not have quotation marks, which words exactly are Dominical has been interpreted, as opposed to explanatory text that follows them.

    While some red-letter edition bibles have Rev. 21:5-6 rubricated, others do not. In fact, Klopsch's own edition published in 1901 did not have these verses rubricated:

    Louis Klopsch Red Letter Bible, Rev. 21:5-6

    Book of Revelation

    In the Book of Revelation, the author consistently refers to God the Father as "He who sits on the throne."3 The living creatures give thanks to "Him who sits on the throne."4 John sees a book in the right hand of "Him who sits on the throne."5 He then sees the Lord Jesus Christ-"the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David"-come to open the book.6 Then, "he came and took the book out of the right hand of Him who sits upon the throne."7 In Rev. 5:13, "Him who sits upon the throne" is distinguished from "the Lamb."8

    13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. KJV, 1769

    It is likely that Rev. 21:5-6 is spoken by God the Father since the author mentions "the Lamb" elsewhere in the chapter,9 and the author continues to distinguish between God the Father and the Lamb.10 One verse later in Rev. 21:7, the subject (speaker) states, "He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he shall be my son."
  • Red letter verses in the red letter Bible - In Reply on Revelation 2:1 - 3 years ago
    All the red letters are the words of Jesus.

    He had been crucified and then resurrected to life again, before the Book of Revelation. That's why the Book of Acts and Revelation have those red letters. Jesus is alive.

    Nobody can dispute with the red letters.

    All the Apostles (disciples Jesus traveled with) knew they would be killed eventually.

    Except Apostle John. They dumped him on a little island to die alone. But first he wrote the Book of Revelation. :D

    When I was a new Christian, I would touch the red letters as I read them. Funny huh?

    Explore the website. Find the Commentary box by typing in a scripture in the top SEARCH BOX. Tap it to make it turn yellow. Scroll down.

    Read some from the Testimonies Link on the red page.
  • Red letter verses in the red letter Bible - In Reply on Revelation 2:1 - 3 years ago
    All the red letters are the words of Jesus.

    He had been crucified and then resurrected to life again, before the Book of Revelation. That's why the Book of Acts and Revelation have those red letters. Jesus is alive.

    Nobody can dispute with the red letters.

    All the Apostles (disciples Jesus traveled with) knew they would be killed eventually.

    Except Apostle John. They dumped him on a little island to die alone. But first he wrote the Book of Revelation. :D

    When I was a new Christian, I would touch the red letters as I read them. Funny huh?

    Explore the website. Find the Commentary box by typing in a scripture in the top SEARCH BOX. Tap it to make it turn yellow. Scroll down.

    Read some from the Testimonies Link on the red page.
  • Daniel Raymond Gibbs on Revelation 2:1 - 3 years ago
    Why is some of the printing in the REVELATION, RED, in Chapters 2 and 3? Also in REV. 14:10, 19:20, the Beast was also cast into fire and 21:8, it addresses the issue of fire, which is the second Death. Is this because the first Death was by water for the evil people? I also believe FIRE is pertaining to Nuclear Fire, for we are, in the near future heading this way. With the advancements of the Electronic age, the whole World is now engaged in Serious EVIL everywhere. Destruction from this age will kill all life, good and evil!
  • Chris - In Reply on Revelation 2 - 3 years ago
    Jesus is God's Son, holy & without sin. He can never lie because lying & all sin comes from a sinful heart & a corrupt nature. And Jesus, even after examination & condemnation by sinful men, was found to be Perfect & Holy, without any sin. So, if you're thinking of something that you've read, then please give us your reference so we can consider it & clarify it.
  • Bryan Kreischer on Revelation 2 - 3 years ago
    why or how can jesus LIE!!&be god too!?!?!
  • Flora pope - In Reply on Revelation 2:10 - 3 years ago
    Ephesus and Sardis
  • Danny Hundley on Revelation 2 - 3 years ago
    About how many people are going the heaven and hell
  • Chris - In Reply on Revelation 2 - 3 years ago
    Sherrie, I'm not sure whether this lady was thinking of one verse in Revelation that showed three heavens or whether in many verses you could find them. There are many verses about heaven in Revelation & in the Bible, but I've picked out some that show 4 heavens in Revelation.

    a. Heaven, the abode of God & His Holy Angels: Rev 4:2: "And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in HEAVEN, and one sat on the throne".

    b. Heaven, the universe that contains the worlds (the planets, stars & constellations): Rev 6:13: "And the stars of HEAVEN fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind."

    c. Heaven, the sky that has our atmosphere & clouds: Rev 11:6: "These have power to shut HEAVEN, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will."

    d. Heaven, that God re-creates in the future that will be totally new, where wickedness will have no more access (i.e. after Satan is locked away for good): Rev 21:1: "And I saw a new HEAVEN and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."
  • Mishael - In Reply on Revelation 2 - 3 years ago
    Go on YouTube and listen to this song: The Third Heaven. By Carman.

    You'll cry.
  • Sherrie L Hinson on Revelation 2 - 3 years ago
    A lady from my church was telling me today that there are 3 heavens mentioned in the Bible and she said I could find it in Revelations. Could you please tell me what chapter this is in so I may read about this for myself?

    Thanks for your help,

    Sherrie Hinson
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Revelation 2:10 - 3 years ago
    Revelation 2:7-17

    Isaiah 62:2

    Genesis 17:1-5

    Genesis 25 - 32: 32:28



    May the HOLY SPIRIT lead you in all truth & guidance.
  • Andy G van den Berg on Revelation 2:10 - 3 years ago
    If you should decide to start your journey of Repentance and turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God ( Acts 26:18), we strongly suggest that you start by disposing of your collection of worldly books ( Acts 19:18,19), containing strictly worldly wisdom that is after the wisdom of men but not after God ( 1 Cor. 2:4-7), and that has you in such terrible bondage.

    Seek, and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).

    In His Service.

    Andy & Dianne van den Berg - Nov Scotia, Canada
  • William M Patterson on Revelation 2:10 - 3 years ago
    hello, so in verse 17 where it reads "and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written"

    does that mean we are given a new name?

    or what is the new name he's referring too?
  • Mishael - In Reply on Revelation 2:10 - 3 years ago
    Welcome Elijah. I like your name.


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