Revelation Chapter 19 Discussion



 
  • Tupperdan - In Reply on Revelation 19 - 1 year ago
    Thanks for taking the time to respond in great detail. God is dealing with me. I've come to realize that sometimes I question things that don't need to be questioned. But on the other hand He tells us in (Mathew 24:4) to Watch out that no one's deceives you. So I know this trait I have of questioning someones statements is good. But I also must realize if I'm wrong I must quickly come to God for repentance.I'm saved by Gods love and grace for His creation.

    Have a great weekend God Bless
  • Chris - In Reply on Revelation 19 - 1 year ago
    I read Richard Priday's post quite simply as 'angels are not to be worshipped'; this he stated at the first. And he goes on to state that God, in the past, has used angels to carry out His requirements. We see this at Mt. Sinai, at Sodom, at Jacob's encounter with the Angel, in the Revelation given to John, & other places. Richard of course, mentioned these theophanies (an appearance of God, or a perceived appearance of God, to man); Genesis 32:24-30 being a good example of this, when Jacob exclaimed, "I have seen God face to face". Of course, it was God's Angel that Jacob saw & wrestled with, but his encounter with this Being & the blessing he received (which may have been extensive & with accompanying Glory), brought him as close to God on Earth as humanly possible. That of course was in the OT days. Those "in Christ" now, have God, by His Holy Spirit, residing in our being 24/7.

    And Richard's last sentence, "Such things would not be done by saints of God with created beings", I read it as a summary of his belief that such encounters, as we read in the Bible, can only be had with God & His angelic messengers, not with sinful man. So the belief is still strong: angels are not to be worshipped, but when God sent His angelic messenges, due reverence must be given to God alone, receiving the message or act from His angel as it were from God Himself. I hope I remained true to Richard's comment & this has helped you to come to grips with it.
  • Tupperdan - In Reply on Revelation 19 - 1 year ago
    My response was meant for the post after yours from Richard H Priday. I'm having a hard time interpreting his post. Maybe look at his post and let me know what you think. Please reference my original response, maybe I missed something but I feel it doesn't make since.
  • Chris - In Reply on Revelation 19 - 1 year ago
    Hi Tupperdan. I think you are responding to me, since I quoted Revelation 22:8,9,16.

    Yes, John would have done wrong by falling at the Angel's feet to worship. How he perceived this angel, we are not told & to make guesses about this would then be unfruitful. But am I doubting the passage? I only shared the applicable verses to show that it was angel directly before John at this point & not Jesus. But when we read the whole passage, vv 8-11 reveal the angel before John & speaking to him. Then vv 12,13 & 16, show Jesus speaking (the verses 14 & 15 are not in red, but this being man's highlighting does not give us certainty of who is speaking). More than this, I don't understand where my doubt exists. If you could clarify please.
  • Tupperdan - In Reply on Revelation 19 - 1 year ago
    I'm confused. All humans are sinners, John sinned when he worshipped at the angel's feet. The only perfect person was Jesus. It sounds as if you're doubting Rev 22:8,9,16.
  • Chris - In Reply on Revelation 19 - 1 year ago
    Hello Deborah. If you look at the following verses, your query should be answered: Revelation 1:1; Revelation 22:8,9,16; which then answers Revelation 19:9,10.

    One could compare this to the giving of the Law at Mt. Sinai ( Deuteronomy 33:2), when the LORD God came down upon the mount with ten thousand of His saints (angels), of whom it was said (in Acts 7:53), were present & used of God in some way in that delivery. There are various interpretations of this verse, but it can be seen that angels, at least certain angels, played an important part in the impartation of God's Message, which were actually voiced & given by the LORD & the risen Savior.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply on Revelation 19 - 1 year ago
    The previous verse mentions an angel. Men are not to worship angels; which is also synonymous with servants as they are there to serve the saints under Christ and also are messengers. God is in no way diminished by using angels as there are many instances in Revelation where that is the case. Deity always has a capital A in the word angel; as we see with the one who talked with Moses when the other two went to Sodom; as well as when Jacob worshipped the one who he wrestled all night; as well as asking a blessing. Such things would not be done by saints of God with created beings.
  • Deborah Phillips on Revelation 19 - 1 year ago
    Hello and thank you for your assistance today regarding Rev. 19:10.

    My question is who is the person who fell at Jesus' feet.

    Its confusing to me because if its John why would Jesus tell him not to worship him and that he was of his brethren.

    Was it the Spirit that was showing John what John needed to know?
  • Cynthia Seder on Revelation 19 - 1 year ago
    The Lord will come whether you believe or don't believe. Halelujah. Your denial will not stop Him, the King of Kings, the Name above all Name, He who sits at the right Hand of the Most Sovereign God, the Great I am. He is Eternal.
  • Richard H Priday on Revelation 19 - 1 year ago
    Addendum

    The literal aspect of horses as stated here and in other passages allows us to consider whether many advanced weapons are either destroyed (as part of Antichrist's original peace deal); or rendered useless with the fires and possible geomagnetic disturbances and/or God's judgments (such as the beast's kingdom being plunged into darkness at the 5th vial). The descriptions in Ezekiel 38 have been described by some as a certain type of wood that may be used as a sort of composite in advanced weaponry.

    It should be noted that the mobility of Asiatic troops and those in Muslim campaigns in mountainous terrain (such as those coming from areas around Turkey such as Ararat and into the mountains of the north from Syria) could certainly be something to consider here. Remember that Israel is said at that time to be a land of "unwalled villages" in Ezekiel 38:11. This verse describes people not suspecting such an invasion; which may be due to their continued retention of advanced weapons; or not searching out those who would attempt to invade with such a primitive method. These animals may not be detected going through narrow mountain passes; or deep gorges and not be taken seriously in a multi pronged campaign especially by multiple nations as indicated. The unwalled villages at the very least probably show the immediately surrounding nations conspicuously absent here; are taken care of in the prophetic Psalm 83. In any event; Israel is captured and has their walls of protection removed (interestly such a proposal occurred recently with the ongoing Middle East peace proposals). It would seem the endless rockets of the Palestinians and their backers would have to be eliminated completely for such a scenario to come to fruition; thus indicating the Gulf nations would have procured a successful and prosperous trade with the nation for some time; again as indicated by the final "Babylon" city that surely would affect Israel.
  • Richard H Priday on Revelation 19 - 1 year ago
    Rest of Revelation 19

    The rest of the book discusses the return of Christ with His saints; and the capture of the Beast; False Prophet and Satan (without stating who places them in their respective places of punishment although the next chapters show an angel has sealed the bottomless pit).

    There is a feast prepared for the birds of the air (v. 17-18; v. 21). God has in Isaiah 34:11 and other verses clearly considered the unclean beasts and provided for them richly (despite being unfit for man's consumption). Those who are animal lovers may not appreciate the fact that they will either be present at the wedding feast of the Lamb or themselves be part of the supper of wild beasts. No doubt these creatures will be starving themselves by this time and God isn't going to let a good meal go to waste. We should ponder this; those who are evolutionists and realize that in light of Ecclesiastes 3:19 that unregenerate men are no better than animals as to our fate. The soul of animals may go down into the earth (see verse 21 two verses later); but man is the only creature subject to eternal damnation and suffering as we see again in the same chapter; verse 11 where "eternity is put in their hearts."

    The last verse in this chapter; verse 21 shows the rest of man in the battle slain with the sword (see Malachi 4:1; Psalm 2; etal). They will be placed in Sheol; the "holding place" for the damned until their turn for the lake of fire. Undoubtably their involvement in this battle and enticement by demons means that they have taken the mark of the Beast. If for some reason someone is missing arms and or has a head injury and can't take the mark the image will be worshipped which basically amounts to the same punishment.

    In God's Providence He shortens the days or no flesh would survive (or be saved); see Matthew 24:22. There are interesting studies as to the mention of horses (verse 18) which also are seen in Ezekiel 38. I prefer to take that literally.
  • Richard H Priday on Revelation 19 - 1 year ago
    The first few verses describe as chapter 18 did the destruction of the city of Babylon "the great whore" (v. 2). Verse 7 talks about the marriage of the Lamb; with the wedding supper in verse 9. The scene in front of the throne here as well as the timing seem almost identical to what we see in Revelation 5. We need to keep in mind that not everyone will be present wearing the garments of white until the last saint appears in heaven; so this likely shows the Resurrection of all the Tribulation saints along with the church who were raised 7 years before. This brings in mind the parable of the Ten Virgins and associated verses as to the reference both to the Second Coming and Rapture. We need to remember that Israel itself isn't as a nation going to repent until the final destruction on Israel where half of the city is taken in Zechariah 14:2. Just because the Tribulation saints aren't in the dispensation of the church where the Spirit works within the Body as at present; that doesn't exclude the rest of the believers from being members of a corporate Body who all need white garments of righteousness. (Verse 8). All true saints; therefore must bring forth fruit. God may deem martyrdom necessary to procure that; particularly in the days when Christ will be known to all and seen by the world (once again; indicated by the scene in Rev. 6:16-17. John 20:26-29 shows those who have NOT seen are blessed; and the Rapture certainly would be a reward in that sense.

    Verse 10 also brings up a theme repeated in Revelation 22:9 where he tries to worship someone other than God (in the other case an angel). This should cause us to take pause to realize that the glorified bodies of the saints will be quite overwhelming.

    The rest of the chapter; of course relates to the Second Coming of Christ and the immediate victory He has over the armies of the earth. More on that in the next post.
  • Philip Christian Parks - In Reply on Revelation 19:20 - 2 years ago
    Brother Charles, My very first statement in fact does state that during CHRIST JESUS's crucifixion, HE did bleed HIS own blood and HE did die for our sins. My point disagrees with many who erroneously believe CHRIST dipped HIS vesture in HIS own blood which HE shed on Calvary's cross. This is their interpretation of the expression, "HE (LORD JESUS) was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood" ( Rev. 19:13).

    This blood on HIS vesture is not HIS own, but rather that of HIS enemies of whom HE slays (v.15).

    CHRIST shed HIS blood to save HIS people. HE did so during HIS crucifixion. But the context of Revelation Nineteen is not a context of vicarious sacrifice, but rather of war ( Rev. 19:11), bloodshed (cp. Rev. 14:20), and death ( Rev. 19:15 & 21).
  • Charles Robert Northup - In Reply on Revelation 19:20 - 2 years ago
    Dude if you don't think that Christ shed his blood on the croos you are lost and God lied, Everyone thinks they can interpreate Rvealations but miss the one most important part Rev1:3Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. So what are we to keep? Do you know what I get out of revelations, I don't want to live through it and if Revelations doesn't make us fear God nothing can. The fear of the lord leads to salvation. Man's wisdom is foolishness to God. So much more to focus on to live godly in the Bible so you don't suffer God's wrath. Revelations is God's wrath
  • David L Valentin - In Reply on Revelation 19:20 - 2 years ago
    Close and accurate with the exception of the blood not being of Christ. The necessity to be born of virgin not a man's will, he took on the form of flesh and was made a little lower than the angels for the atonement "I will build a new covenant in my blood!

    "For if the blood of goats could take away sin there would not be a need to enter in a second time!

    the only thing that protects us from the Holy Wrath of God is the precious blood of Jesus, after that everything is accurate

    "If you would be shy of me, I would be shy of you in front of my father"

    All sinners saved by Grace, our only defense " The Blood of the Lamb of God"!
  • The Battle of Armageddon - In Reply on Revelation 19:20 - 2 years ago
    Reading Revelation, you will find that the Ark of the Testament is in heaven. This means that it was moved; as was the Tree of Life.

    Realistically, it would take time to slay a 200 million man army + Antichrist's army. More than a day. I can't think of Jesus chopping off heads, arms or legs.

    I'm just thinking that the Ark will be on the battlefield. It will be opened and his enemies will drop dead.

    Revelation Chapter 11

    17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

    18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

    19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ARK of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

    I just have to go with what I know about our Lord. He's not a butcher. He's the King of kings; Lord of lords. We'll be there too, so however it goes down, we'll be part of it. Mishael
  • Philip Christian Parks on Revelation 19:20 - 2 years ago
    Rev. 19:13 = This blood is not CHRIST's own that HE shed during HIS crucifixion. No, this blood is the blood of CHRIST's enemies that HE will draw during Armageddon. Verse fifteen speaks of CHRIST treading the winepress (see also 14:20). Deuteronomy 32:14 describes the juice of the grape as blood. Interpret the graphic language to mean CHRIST will violently attack HIS enemies with such force that HE will splatter their blood on HIS vesture with such abundance that it will become soaked and dripping.

    All soldiers experienced in combat, and all who study war, know that soldiers often bloody themselves with the blood of those they kill. When JESUS CHRIST engages in the Battle of Armageddon, HE intends to save no one, nor take prisoners, for HE battles to slaughter the armies of the Antichrist without mercy. Even Revelation 19:21 describes CHRIST ensuring HE kills every last one of the Antichrist's rebellious armies: "the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which [sword] proceeded out of his mouth ..." The blood drenching HIS vesture is that of HIS enemies.

    Isaiah 63:1-4 describes JESUS CHRIST fighting Armageddon. Isaiah recorded that prophecy in the prophetic perfect tense. In verse one, Isaiah asks, "WHO is THIS that comes from Edom, with dyed {bloodied} garments from Bozrah?" The mentioning of Edom and Bozrah suggests Armageddon is a series of battles culminating in Armageddon. The PERSON in question is The MESSIAH/CHRIST.

    In verse two, Isaiah asked another important question: "Wherefore art THOU red in THINE apparel, and THY garments (including HIS vesture) like him that treadeth in the winefat?" This question accepts the fact that when one stomps grapes in the wine press, he traumatically expels the "blood of the grape" (Deu. 32:14) resulting in splattering the wine presser's clothing with grape juice. This metaphor proves that the blood drenching CHRIST's vesture is not HIS Own, but that of HIS enemies.
  • Faith works on Revelation 19 - 2 years ago
    Revelation chapter 19

    Read the whole chapter and see how Jesus totally defeats evil and the devil ends up bound a 1000 yrs ! Nothing evil can throw at Jesus church can stick .

    She is presented with out spot and ready , verse 7 and 8 .

    Verse 9 will you be there ?

    Praise God !
  • Mandy - In Reply on Revelation 19:20 - 2 years ago
    What does this have to do with the Bible?
  • Sacha - In Reply on Revelation 19:20 - 2 years ago
    It ain't me babe .
  • Robert Z on Revelation 19:20 - 2 years ago
    Sometimes I feel so low-down and disgusted

    Can't help but wonder what's happenin' to my companions

    Are they lost or are they found?

    Have they counted the cost it'll take to bring down

    All their earthly principles they're gonna have to abandon?

    Man's ego is inflated, his laws are outdated, they don't apply no more

    You can't rely no more to be standin' around waitin'

    In the home of the brave, Jefferson turnin' over in his grave

    Fools glorifying themselves, trying to manipulate Satan

    They say lose your inhibitions, follow your own ambitions

    They talk about a life of brotherly love

    Show me someone who knows how to live it

    I don't care about economy, I don't care about astronomy

    But it sure do bother me to see my loved ones turning into puppets

    There's a slow, slow train comin' up around the bend
  • Mishael - In Reply on Revelation 19 - 3 years ago
    I think you're right. I found it interesting that in their searching , they tied the event to an earthquake. The whole article is weighty with digs, discoveries, collaborations, etc.

    Today I thought that Passover will be soon and people ask the same questions every year. Sometimes it's good for the secular crowd to hear that scientists try to prove the Bible wrong or woefully lacking. Not true anymore. They have proven with evidence that an asteroid killed the dinosaurs by fire or starvation with plant life gone. Only little chipmunks survived it. They were underground. Cool huh?

    I appreciate the Bible online forum so much. I even wish there more of them. Most are for dating and small groups. I like the variety in KJB online. Why not a Pastors Online? I tell folks there are great FM radio ministries; 24 hrs a day.

    One thing I've noticed recently, is that Goodwill has very few Bibles to resale. People are buying them! Now that's good news. 5 yrs ago I took all my old Bibles and Christian textbooks to Goodwill to get them in circulation. I can't wait to see new faces in our Bible online room, teaching me things the Holy Spirit showed them! He never tires of answering our questions.

    I asked God one morning just before dawn broke: why do you feed the birds and cause people to buy tree food sticks to help trees be strong? This is what He said: The trees open their branches to praise Me, First, in the morning, and the birds adorn the trees and sing praises to me. The whole planet!

    I'm sad sort of because I pull up at the coffee maker first, before I go outside to pray for the day ahead for all peoples. I'm no hotshot ex-evangelist. The birds and trees beat us to it every morning. The the moon says, no, I sat with God all night long. Round the clock, God is praised. :D

    Let's turn up the Praise guys. We'll be with Him real soon.
  • SkipVought - In Reply on Revelation 19 - 3 years ago
    Interesting discovery.

    I'd take issue on your claiming that "All four gospels say the crucifixion occurred on a Friday." It was actually, "the Day of Preparation." Preparation for what Sabbath being that there was also Passover, a Sabbath.

    There is ambiguity in Sabbath in that it us used both to describe the weekly Sabbath, the seventh day and the Passover Sabbath and the Day of Preparation.

    During that era, they could do Passover on two consecutive days. Some say that Jesus' Passover meal with His disciples was the early Passover day. One of the things that we have to allow for is for the women to PREPARE spices...

    "And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid. And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on. And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid. And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment." Luk 23:53-56

    Some think Wednesday, others Thursday and yet others that Friday was the day of Jesus' death. I lean toward Friday but think that there's a good case for Thursday. In a sense it's academic. My trust in Jesus is not the least linked to any particular day.

    Thanks for sharing this interesting discovery.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on Revelation 19 - 3 years ago
    P Selchow, the Spirit has grace you with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Keep prophesying THE SPIRIT will cause some to hear.

    GBU
  • The Mark of the Beast and RFID implants - In Reply on Revelation 19 - 3 years ago
    I'm just going to make a comment on your points.

    There are many people who attend church, who look like sheep, talk like sheep; even serve in the church; but they are far from God in their hearts for whatever reasons. It's sad but it happens.

    The Mark of the Beast will be put on hands or foreheads.

    Right now people are not getting flu shots or covid vaccines because they are afraid it changes the DNA that Almighty God CREATED.

    The Antichrist will not allow anyone to buy or sell ANYTHING without His Mark on your person. He knows He's got you if you have His Mark. He's only going after the people who Don't have it.

    Vaccines are given in the ARM.

    Obama Care as first written and presented to the public, actually contained a section that clearly said all citizens with Obamacare must be implanted with RFID CHIPS. The public put up a massive outcry over it, it was re-written to explain RFID implanting is only at the patients request in cases of diabetes, constant heart monitoring and Pets. Everyone should read the Obamacare act online and know what it says: EVERY TIME ITS REVISED.

    Many people have closed eyes and minds to some facts about this Administration in the White House. Obama said on a televised lament, that HE wished he could run for a 3rd Term. Finally The Democrats lie, cheat and steal the current President into office. Who in his first 100 days hopes to rescind everything President Trump did.

    The first thing he has done is REASSEMBLE the OLD OBAMA DREAM TEAM. This behavior is very subversive and out in the open.

    That is how the Antichrist is going to come on the scene. Brazen, Openly denouncing anyone who is Religious, Attends Church who names Jesus Christ as Savior, refuses funding the killing of unborn infants. Who rejects sodomy lifestyles being taught in elementary schools.

    It's unpopular to follow Jesus Christ and Father God. He's against everything most politicians who routinely serve up lies.

    LIVE THE BIBLE.
  • P Selchow - In Reply on Revelation 19 - 3 years ago
    Hello,

    An understanding of the answer to your questions requires a good bit of bible study. Scripture teaches us that God has a mark of authority. See Rev 7:3. God's seal, or mark of authority is his holy law (see Ex 20), which represents his character. Jesus said all of the law hangs on these 2: Love for God and love for fellow man ( Mat 22:37-40). The first table of the ten commandment law represents love to God. The second table represents love for fellow man. God's character and kingdom are based on the law of love. ( John 14:15). When we choose to keep God's law, which is also written in our hearts ( Jer 31:33) we show the character of God, and also who's side we are on. These are the people who will be sealed ( Rev 7:3). There is a great battle between good and evil, between Jesus Christ and his kingdom and satan and his followers. Simply, when we keep the law of God in our hearts, we have the seal of God (we are under his authority).

    In contrast, Rev 13 tells us of the beast, also known as antichrist. Antichrist simply means someone who tries to take the place of Christ. ( 2 Thessalonians 2:4). This beast power (antichrist) also has his mark of authority- his counterfeit law. When we choose a counterfeit law over God's plainly written law, we can receive the mark of the beast ( Rev 13:16). This mark is not some visible, outward mark such as a tattoo, but a show of a heart that has hardened to reject God's law, and instead accepts the law, or authority of the beast.

    The seal of God, or the mark of the beast is a sign (not a visible sign) showing who we serve. It's what's in our heart and mind (forehead) or by our works and actions (on the hand).

    Hope this helps. Please feel free to study more on the seal of God and his law. Once you have an understanding of that, understanding the mark of the beast becomes more clear. Once you study and find out who the beast is, you will understand clearly the mark. Happy studying.
  • D39andre - In Reply on Revelation 19 - 3 years ago
    Revelation 13:16-18

    King James Version

    16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

    17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

    18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Revelation 19 - 3 years ago
    The mark is something a person has to receive either on their forehead or hand in order to buy or sell during the end times.

    In order to receive the mark, a person has to first worship the antichrist. You cannot receive the mark without worshiping him.

    Receiving the mark forfeits any hope of salvation.
  • A. on Revelation 19 - 3 years ago
    What specifically is the"Mark of the beast"
  • Mary lyn on Revelation 19:20 - 3 years ago
    When I pray, it is "Heavenly Father, in the name of Jesus". There is one God. Not 3 persons. We must know our God & obey the gospel. "Hear 0 Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord". When the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God & that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. Who will be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his power.


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