Revelation Chapter 18 Discussion

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  • Omar on Revelation 18:2
    there is more to life than...... just working , paying bills, staying on the computer so forth and so on ? I'd like to hear you alls comments please
  • Adam - in Reply on Revelation 18:2
    Hello Omar,

    You are asking the right question. People searching for meaning outside of God often come up empty. It's not about wealth, that's why so many famous celebrities are unstable and have alcohol and drug addictions. The wisest man in the Bible who was a wealthy king wrote about this exact subject. It is worth reading: Ecclesiastes 2

    I believe the meaning of life is love and relationships. Relationships with God, family, friends, neighbors. Life is a test and God is testing our character and if we want to seek and follow Him. The greatest commandment in the Bible is Mark 12:30-31. The Bible is full of wisdom on how to live our life- like an instruction manual for a good, meaningful life.

    In addition, people who help others often feel a great sense of fulfillment. Volunteering, helping neighbors, pursuing the betterment of others. Not everyone says thank you. Only 10% came back to thank Jesus for healing him. But this is a way to build 'treasure' in heaven instead of pursuing empty pursuits of this world, in my opinion. Matthew 6:20

    John 16:33, 2 Corinthians 4:17, 1 Corinthians 13:13. Link

    God bless you...
  • Omar - in Reply on Revelation 18:2
    Thanks Adam I appreciate your answers to my question. I was pondering that question with Father God and I just was wondering if people felt the way I felt about it. I feel that Jesus is all everyone will ever need. Love! Thanks Brother and Lord Bless!
  • Rick Colombe on Revelation 18:2
    With all the evil taking place in our country these past few months it's easy to see that people choose evil over good, while they justify their evil. Babylon sounds like a description of today's New York City. Sudden destruction will come within one hour. Ever wonder what an EMP bomb would do to our country? To New York City?
  • Obbie Beal on Revelation 18
    verse 2, And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, 'babylon The great' is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

    Note: in verse 2 the discovery on Babylon is over, and JEHOVAH /GOD begin to publicize some of the evidence found. GOD's evidence reveals her heart is overflowing with much wickedness, thereby she shall be destroyed according to THE WILL OF GOD.

    verse 3, For all nations have drunk of 'the wine of the wrath' of her fornication

    Note: all nations took part in her fornication, never-the-less GOD has put in place John 3:16-21, thereby we can rightly apply John 3:16-21 and similar verses and avoid the wrath that shall come.
  • When was the 1611 KJV revised to remove the apocrypha? The hank you, your site is very easy to use and an excellent source for research.
  • Chris - in Reply on Revelation 18:5
    To answer your question directly means I won't refer to the first & other previous occasions when the Apocryphal books were disputed. But to your question about the 1611 KJV, those books were present in that KJV version but removed later in AD 1885.

    They were considered as not Divinely inspired writings, having questionable origins, authors & whose canonicity (i.e. Scriptures that are accepted as standard & worthy) was doubtful. For example, the following references speak of money also being able to help in sin's atonement: Sirach 3:30, Tobit 4:10; 12:9; 14:11 & 2 Macc 12:41-45 (included prayer for the dead & purgatory). This speaks of also being saved by works: 1 Macc 2:52. The dead are praying: Baruch 3:4. And many more.

    The apostles of Christ nor Jesus, ever considered those writings as part of the body of Scripture though allusions to it were made a couple of times: e.g. 2 Tim 3:8 & Jude 14,15. Therefore, the Apocryphal books are not totally without Truth or useless, but they have sufficient spurious information that should make us cautious & particularly for someone unfamiliar with the Bible & its specific teachings on the accepted doctrines.
  • Obbie Beal on Revelation 18
    24 and in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

    Note: Babylon The Great as a 'slayer' left a very long blood-trail that could easily be followed, and matter-of-fact her blood-trail PLUS her sins caused Heaven to ensure her evil actions was recorded for Jehovah /GOD use. see verse 5 and 24.

    slay - to put to death violently.
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Revelation 18
    Jesus speaks in Matthew 23:37 - O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! (in Jesus time)

    Who killed the prophets? ...O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets...

    Revelation 18:24 and in her (Babylon) was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
  • Mishael on Heavenly Bodies in the Heavens on Revelation 18
    Earth spins around its axis, just as a top spins around its spindle. This spinning movement is called Earth's rotation.

    At the same time that the Earth spins on its axis, it also orbits, or revolves around the Sun. This movement is called revolution.
  • Mishael on War on Revelation 18
    Isaiah 2: 2-5

    I do not enjoy warning people to learn spiritual warfare. God gives us peace that passes understanding. Lack of peace, means something is not right.

    We are being shown to put on the armor of God (Ephesians 6) and be in an attitude of readiness. Our armor, of course, is spiritually lived in; comfortably. Our discernment sharpened by the Holy Spirit. At this time, Christians must learn war.

    Satan knows his time is short. These difficult times will WAX, WORSE and WORSE. He is amassing his evil armies for a future battle in Heaven; against Jesus with his warring angels. We're seeing things no other generation has seen before.

    We do our war, on our knees with the Sword of the Spirit of God. He Will teach us how to pray; what to pray; and give us names to bind on earth and Cast into outer darkness and dry places.

    If we have been born again; received the Holy Spirit; asked Him for the Gift of discerning of spirits and to teach us how it works. This depends on Him. He will guide you into all truth.

    They're rioting in the streets with demons; and we're cowering in our homes. Think of this: we know how the "story" ends.

    We'll be caught up to Jesus into the clouds. Alive or dead, our future is WITH HIM.

    You're not going to see anything that God does not allow you to see. He's not going to suffer us to be terrified. We are Jesus's Bride. Be at peace in your soul. It is written: that we will be returning, with Jesus on white horses (in Revelation) when He permanently dispatches Antichrist.

    LEARN about spiritual warfare. I'm hearing more Pastors on radio teaching it now to their churches, and to us. The prophetic word is confirmed. Take notes; read those scriptures. This is YOUR sword. Jesus's sword is 2 edged. It cuts going in and when it comes out. How awesome is our LORD!!

    We have that same sword. Fear not.

    I've checked out Derek Prince on YouTube and his teachings are sound; with scriptures. Write them down.
  • Obbie Beal on Revelation 18
    22-23 and the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; and the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived

    Note: Blessings, given to her by GOD is 100% stripped away from her by the destruction from GOD. All her buying & selling, global commerce or all her imports & exports ceases to exist forever. Millstone sounds are heard when corn and wheat is being ground for food but that day the milestones are silenced forever by destruction. Her light no longer shine thereby attracting nobody because she is now destroyed and in a form of darkness, also it appear the Godly-Joy found in marriage cease to exist. But we must remember, if we are rightly secured by John 3:16-21 or other such verses, the best is yet to come for us /those BORN AGAIN, for example, being at The Marriage Supper Of The LAMB.

    Using sorceries or her many evils tricks, she deceived ALL nations.
  • Barry L on Revelation 18
    ...some people just don't get it.........maybe that's why jesus had to stoop down and draw in the sand!
  • Alex on Revelation 18
    Comments about that which is BORN of the SPIRIT IS SPIRIT Matthew 13 The children of the kingdom that are gonna be born in US via his seed the Word.She brought forth a manchild that is gonna rule all nations. THE WOMAN IS US, WE ARE GONNA HAVE A BABY, the Child is the H.G. The Child is the Kingdom , the H.G. unless you receive the kingdom as a lil Child ( A BIRTH the H.G.))you will in no wise enter there in. his SEED is the WORD, the same seed that was implanted in Mary is gona be sown in all of US. Who is my Mother he asked ? Them that hear the WORD and keeps it ,Thus we will birth a baby Christ which is the H.G. A SPRITUAL CHILD, THAT WHICH IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT ( THE WORD ) IS SPIRIT THATS THE H.G. OUR NEW INNERMAN, tHAT NEW CREATURE . Our fruit unto God as PAUL said, When he was still on the cross he calling for Elijah to come and turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, His children that are gona be born in US. Thats y he said b/c i have spoken these words ( his seeds) sorrows have filled your hearts, SORROWS imply a spritual pregnancy thats when he told em of a woman has sorrrows till the Child comes then her sorrows are turned into joy, then he said i wil see you again he is the Child, th H.G. WHOSOEVER receives one Child in My NAME receives me, in my Name implies he is the father of the Child simply the child is ccnceived by his seed the word,REMEMBER he said the Father wd send the H.G IN MY NAME,THE H.G. being the Child. MEN AND WOMEN ARE GONA BIRTH A BABY CHRIST THAT WAS THE GREAT PROMISE THAT CHRIST WD BE MULTIPIED as the stars of heaven THUS THE BABES AND SUCKLINGS WHICH ARE SPIRITS TH H.G PLURAL AS THE STARS OF HEAVEN.Whoso ever receives one such Child in my NAME receives ME. Thats y the new birth is so important, there is a Child in the new birth.When Isaiah saw the Kingdom coming he says unto us a Child is born unto us a Son is given. thats y he always refers to himself as the SON OF MAN. Thats y Jeremiah saw all men in travail and birth pains
  • Mishael on Revelation 18
    You don't get saved with religion. Period. It takes RELATIONSHIP with Jesus your SAVIOR. Religion won't heal you; it won't find jobs; it can't save your soul from hell.

    Repent. Take up your cross. Follow Jesus daily. Not just on Sunday.

    Matthew 24:51, 25:12, 25:33

    Have you asked and received the Holy Spirit since you believed?
  • Barry L - in Reply on Revelation 18
    Can a Christian committ SUICIDE and still be Saved after they Die?
  • Mishael - in Reply on Revelation 18
    My email just lost my reply. I'll write it again this evening. Until then...

    Take Jesus's life; not your own. Have you given him a chance to show you what your life can be?

    Tell me what's going on, no matter what. I've been through what you're going through, too. You came to the right place.
  • Barry L - in Reply on Revelation 18
    Where's the email?
  • Adam - in Reply on Revelation 18
    God is the judge. But for someone to willingly kill themselves seems to be in defiance of God. It's destroying God's creation and God's holy temple. 1 Corinthians 6:19. It's also murder, which is one of the ten commandments. The Bible doesn't say specifically about suicide being forgiven or not, but God is a fair judge and knows the heart and will judge accordingly. I personally would not risk doing it, even if I'm struggling with my health. If in a coma and on a ventilator, dependent on a machine to live for a long period of time and bankrupting the family, I personally don't believe withdrawing such support (passive euthanasia) would be murder in my opinion. That is a situation I would pray intensely about.
  • Barry L - in Reply on Revelation 18
    Good answer ...
  • Chris - in Reply on Revelation 18
    I agree, that was a good balanced answer from Adam. However, he did introduce 'passive euthanasia', which got me thinking further. How would one then view these three: suicide, euthanasia & murder? I realize that each one is different, pursued for entirely different reasons, but what do you see as the common denominator? I see, & I can be corrected, that the common denominator is "the taking of life", i.e. taking of life that God has given to us.

    Maybe from this basic understanding/assumption, one could then formulate an appropriate view from God's Perspective, in regards to: to whose authority do we appeal to; is there any leniency or allowance given to us; and, where does God's control or interest end & the realm of man's responsibility & action begin?
  • Barry L - in Reply on Revelation 18
    Hmmm! Why all the Big fancy words? Why not a more ELEMENTARY -EXPLANATION...Like just plain old simple English? Not that I don't understand, I'm a very smart person; but in my experience with people, you know, the average person...

    They'd be like in the Dark right about now, with all the fancy words ya got going their and the others too! I'm Basically into STREET-MINISTRY...It's like the Apostle Paul said: I BECOME ALL THINGS TO ALL MEN, THAT I MIGHT WIN SOME! Sometimes you might have to sit in the mud Hole with pig and get Dirty too, if ya know what I mean Figuratively-Speaking, but doesn't mean you have to do what they other words you don't have to eat the SLOP, right?
  • Chris - in Reply on Revelation 18
    Barry, thanks for your comment. Sorry, that's just the way I talk & write: trying to compress as much of my thoughts into a rich use of words & sentences & so avoid unnecessary circumlocution & verbosity. And it's for good, smart folk like you that I write, so that I might get some good insight & feedback on this important issue. And, by the way, I did see excerpts of that sad account of the young girl who suicided. Very sad indeed, yet we don't know her full story.
  • Andrew Kingsly Raj - in Reply on Revelation 18
    No. If a person commit sucide, he will not enter the kingdom of God. Each we may do a small mistake. But when we seek earnestly for God to forgive that sin, He will forgive you.

    If a person commit sucide he will not enter eternal life.
  • Barry L - in Reply on Revelation 18
    Hmmm! small mistake! what some sins? i don't think our father in heaven considers any sin a small mistake! when i hear s comment like that, i'm like i dont think so! all sin is an abomination to god! you, my friend, can cut it & slice it anyway you want says: the wrath of god is revealed from heaven agaiinst all the ungodliness of men, just look in the book of romans. the book of romans...sounds like god is not too haply with sin according to the apostle paul if you wanna get technical about it!
  • Barry L - in Reply on Revelation 18
    Hmmm! are you like stereo-typing every person or every situation involving suicide? if that's the case! then you must be god.
  • Barry L - in Reply on Revelation 18
    I'm not asking for myself! Personally, I wouldn't do it...not Good. I witnessed a young woman 12yrs. Old committ SUICIDE by Hanging herself! It was a very Sad thing to see. The girl was only 12. I'm just wondering if you guys believe in maybe an age of accountability?
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Revelation 18
    Barry I am sorry to hear about that. I do believe the Bible teaches the age of accountability is 20 years old.

    Exodus 30:14 Every one that passeth among them that are numbered, from twenty years old and above, shall give an offering unto the LORD.

    One was not required to offer a sacrifice for oneself till they were 20 years old. otherwise the Father was offering on behalf of the family. in other words under the headship of the family.

    Numbers 1:3 From twenty years old and upward, all that are able to go forth to war in Israel: thou and Aaron shall number them by their armies.

    A male was not to be drafted into the army until they were 20 years old. Not considered an adult till then.

    Numbers 1:18 And they assembled all the congregation together on the first day of the second month, and they declared their pedigrees after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, by their polls.

    A census of the adults was not reckoned until they were 20.

    I am of the opinion that she shall grow up in the 1,000 reign of Christ after the tribulation and given a chance to accept or reject the Lord. After all in the kingdom believers do not marry as Jesus said in:

    Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

    Yet there are children in the kingdom.

    Isaiah Chapter 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

    7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

    8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

    until a Lion can eat straw this has not happened, yet there is a sucking child there, so where do they come from?

    Aborted kids?
  • Peter - in Reply on Revelation 18
    It is a very hard way to die. I think that the problem relates to getting away from God and then when you are stressed or confused or on drugs or are partying and then probably stressed and confused, and you have no one to talk to and understand; and you do not know God and Jesus; who do you talk to?

    When you have God; You always have someone who understand you; and will always stay with you etc.......

    Today people have turned their back on God for the belief and deception of evolution and money also seems to be the Goal; and their is nothing wrong with money if it is used for the right stuff but in this world; man control it and rules it and children starve, get sick, die. live in slums, etc.

    Children don't need to read and understand scriptures but they need the basis, God created the world and everything in it. etc.
  • Barry L - in Reply on Revelation 18
    You say, CHILDREN DONT NEED TO READ? Hmmm! If your basically saying, what I think your saying...WRONG...WRONG...WRONG...Children do need to read, I Disagree! I'm not talking about a 5 or 6yr.old, I'm talking here about a 12yr. Old girl that was just Lacking a few months from being 13, ok! The Jewish people started their children reading at a very early age! Didn't like the fact, that little girls were restricted pretty much from the study of the SCRIPTURES & the TALMUD and also other teachings! Point is...children should be taught God's word early! In most Hmes you hardly ever see FAMILY-ALTAR-TIME. In my Home, I started studying around 11yrs.old or earlier! I was considered odd & wierd by family members! I'll stop there! My point already made! People wonder why their kids do the way they Hang themselves in their families front yard, while Mommy and the other siblings are taking a Nap! So don't tell me kids don't need to read, or read the Scriptures...

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