Revelation Chapter 18 Discussion

  • Doug - in Reply on Revelation 18
    Richard, Just a few thoughts on Rev. 17,18. The figures of speech in prophecy can be many with various interpretations. We tend to apply it to what we know and are familiar with. A whore or harlot in the scripture is one who has many lovers (sources of affection). Some of the wording in these chapters suggests it is a church that lost their first love "Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird". she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. The reason she could think she "is a queen" is she is married to the King. "I am no widow" is because he husband is "risen". "and shall see no sorrow" she can't lose her salvation. Notice that she has "become" the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. At one time she wasn't the habitation of devils etc. When I read Revelation I try to apply only what the Bible says about the different things. It seems to take on spiritual meaning and warning. Example: Rev. 8:10,11 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. Possible meaning: star fell from heaven (minister of the word falls from truth) the 3rd part of the truth is altered (not all of it yet). The water (Word) becomes Wormwood (poisoned) and many men died (spiritually) because they were made bitter.
  • Richard H Priday on Revelation 18
    Revelation 18 commentary

    There is still speculation as to whether this "queen" that made these boastings in verse 7 is a symbol of the Statue of Liberty and symbolizes America with its maritime trade; particularly focused on the financial markets of New York City. There are many clues in Jeremiah and many have written on this subject; nonetheless it is possible that a future city to be built in the Mideast may fulfill this prophecy.

    We can certainly see the main theme here is that an economic system which the world will trade with in the last days will be destroyed at this point. The is fallen statement said twice in verse 2 (as I probably stated previously) would indicate the spiritual Babylon falling then the economic one; which makes this some point after the midpoint of the Tribulation. Verse 23 explains the merchants as being "great men of the earth" so that unbelievably it would seem that some are still living in luxury until very near the end of the Tribulation. The timing isn't exact here as chapter 17 and 18 are sort of a parenthesis between chapter 16 and chapter 19. It would have to be before the vial judgments as the whole world will be affected by that.

    Also it would be very near the time when the kingdom is plunged into darkness (4th vial I believe). That could symbolize an electrical grid (or as I suspect a solar powered infrastructure regional breakdown so that trade no longer can occur). This judgment of God in "one hour" verse 19 could not only show swiftness; but possibly the brevity of time when this worldwide trade was at its peak.

    The responsibility for the blood of prophets; saints and all those slain on earth is specific for that time; although certainly shows how a pattern of false worship has led to centuries of martyrdom for those seeking to keep their kingship; and economic power. Whatever false church (i.e. the great whore) that exists after the Rapture will resemble the Laodiceans today.

    RUN if truth isn't preached!
  • REAL TIME AND THE BOOK OF REVELATION__Streetpreacher - in Reply on Revelation 18
    The Book of Revelation concerns the LAST YEARS ON EARTH.

    We are given some SIGNS to be looking for, in Matthew chapter 24, and Luke 21.

    Another sign we are able to search is current news through the internet. The Palestinians in the Middle East (I mean specifically NON-Jews). They are looking for a man they call Mahdi. Some say Muhammad Mahdi). Most likely he will become The Antichrist. He may be in the United Nations. He will be Palestinian by blood line. So whoever he is, his father is also Palestinian.

    DONT be involved too much. But it's proof. Let GOD reveal the mystery.

    There are people right now who are making movies of THE END TIMES. For those who have not yet studied all the prophesies; who are media oriented: I think the easiest way to orientate someone on what is to soon come upon us in Reality; in daily life,

    Is to watch some End Time videos (year 2021 and forward). If you are into stock markets and like subjects; this will help you. Globalism is our Enemy. The Green Deal is a Religion. The Thought Leaders are in on it. Elon Musk is not a Christian, or a "savior". Just beware.

    Watch these videos on YouTube:

    1. BLESSON Tribulation (Genesis to heaven in 63 minutes

    2. REVELATION STATION. It used to be a gigantic video but it's several videos in one. After on ends a disclaimer box may appear, but the next video will start auto playing.

    Each segment is focused on:







    there's a separate video called: revelation station MAMMON (worship of money, deceit, sex, drugs/sorcery)

    This should awaken you to WHY things are happening. Like world wide drought. Water sources drying up. Food is becoming limited because of crop and meat animal deaths. No fertilizer. We may become like Africa which is experiencing mass deaths of people, meat animals, no fresh water. Christians are being killed for their faith.
  • Richard H Priday - in Reply on Revelation 18
    Basically; the final destruction of Babylon didn't occur. Revelation 17 seems to talk of the spiritual Babylon; something the Beast has to destroy to gain complete worship for Himself (i.e. Satan). Revelation 18 discusses the economic Babylon and a "great city" being destroyed. Some have guessed this is New York City; others suggest that it is in the same geographical locale as ancient Babylon. The ecumenical center of the 3 monotheistic faiths in Dubai along with a city 30 times larger than New York City which is planned to be ultramodern; with a drone based transportation system makes this seem more feasible.

    At any event; this will make way for the Mark of the Beast; and either worship of Satan or of God. There will be no more false religious system; or any comfort in materialism. We must remember that it is worshipping the image of the Beast with food being a sidenote that drives people to taking the mark. Death will be for all those not taking it; although a few will survive until the end and into the Millennium period in hiding.

    Thankfully; 2 Thess. 2 seems to indicate that the church will be out of here before that. Also we have the verse about the gates of hell not prevailing against the church today ( Matt. 16:18). However; the saints will be overcome according to Daniel in the time of Jacob's trouble ( Rev. 13:7; Daniel 7:21; Jeremiah 30:7).

    These prophecies must surely occur; although it is held back to some extent now. Once the lawless one is revealed; things will be exponentially worse than ever before and than it ever will be ( 2 Thess. 2:8; Matt.24:21).

    May you be richly blessed as you study His word; particularly Revelation as we are promised that reading that book ( Rev. 1:3).

    Agape; Rich P
  • Giannis - in Reply on Revelation 18
    The Revelation, dear Michael is all about events to happen during the last seven years on earth, at the time that the antichrist will rule on earth till the very end with the coming of Jesus and His saints on earth. GBU
  • Michael Pfeiffer on Revelation 18
    Is this a prophecy for older times and so not much applicable to today? How do I discern from what is past and upcoming future events? God Bless your efforts, just trying to follow his word not believing every spirit that comes before me.
  • Ronnette - in Reply on Revelation 18
    I prayed with you Sandra. Amen.

    Take care. Agape.
  • Doug - in Reply on Revelation 18
    Hi Ronnette. The figures of speech in prophecy can be many with various interpretations. We tend to apply it to what we know or what we think is a problem. Just a few scriptures and thoughts on Rev. 17,18. A whore or harlot in the scripture is one who has many lovers (sources of affection). Just the wording to me suggests it is a church that lost their first love and fallen away from the truth."Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird". Notice the word "become" (she wasn't at one time) and is "fallen" (was standing at one time). Another verse to consider Verse 7: she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. Interpretation: "I sit a queen" she thinks she is married to the King. "am no widow" her husband is alive (risen). "shall see no sorrow" (nothing I do will lose this standing) "eternal security." Just some thoughts that has come over the years.
  • Sandra Driscoll - in Reply on Revelation 18
    Amen Father God please take us home. Please szve our children and their salvation.

  • Ronnette on Revelation 18
    "And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived." Revelation 18:23 KJV

    I noticed the word sorceries here is Pharmacy. I have no confident with the Pharmaceutical industries. I was sick and healed so quickly by taking all natural supplements. My "Professional"Doctor seems to be frustrated by me taking supplements. Because Certified Doctors are promoting Pharma drugs. Scary. I know for a fact that my Mom died using all drugs from doctors gave her. I witnessed her transformation until the end of her life. Pharma also seems to know how long you will get hooked to drugs until a person ready to be expired. And then Government in cahoots to stop social security pension to the point of death. Wow a great system we have. God judgments will come soon. You wonder why Politician will say something like we will give you transparency and then be silent when they get elected? Hmmmm sounded like Obama promised. We watched and we learned and understood the motives of these liar Politicians. Come soon O Lord Jesus Christ according to your will.
  • Donald Grant Cheesman Cheesman on Revelation 18
    Thank you for your great work for God and We the People.
  • Free - in Reply on Revelation 18
    Dear Darius, indeed, many young ppl begin to see where we are in the Prophecy, There will mean revival, and people who repent and believe in dead works. To tribute to the living Almighty God in the name of Jesus. Love u in Christ. Revelation 12
  • Darius on Revelation 18
    Sorcery=Pharmakeia=Covid=Strong delusion? Great merchants of the earth=Pharmacy lobby...
  • Suze - in Reply on Revelation 18
    Before I found this site , two or three years ago , I found quite a few other so called Christian sites . The Bible was never discussed on any of them , they were basically people bitching about and judging others on the site . I made a Bible reference about not judging one another on one of those sites and was shot down in flames by everyone on there for using the Bible against them . Oh the irony ! There's definately a difference between Christian sites and Bible sites , give me a Bible site any day , there are far too many people who call themselves Christians who make no effort at all to understand any of the Word of God and they actually resent others who do make the effort and who know something about the Bible . They complain that people who know the Bible are just trying to make them ( the ones who don't even want to know ) feel bad or guilty for not wanting to read it . I'm not kidding ,I wish I was . Stick with us , we are all imperfect on here but the vast majority on here are willing to learn from each other and help each other and are genuinely interested and want to know what God says .
  • Mishael - in Reply on Revelation 18
    We'll see more legislation against left and right. Algorithms are in use. Now is the dying moments of free speech.

    I'm looking for evangelism to come back__when people speak to each other again. Our testimonies of how we came to believe in Jesus, are valuable.

    It's sort of like Jonah. He wanted to run away from Gods call on his life. Eventually he complies, and a whole nation repented.

    Social media has become too violent. I'm praying for more and more Bible websites like this one, to spring up.

    Luke 11:30 - For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to THIS generation.

    Five Crowns in Heaven:

    The Imperishable Crown

    The Crown of Rejoicing

    The Crown of Righteousness

    The Crown of Glory

    The Crown of Life

    The difference is, in Stephens day the crowds stoned people with actual stones. In 2022, they stone people with words. I think Jonah wasn't stoned. The story says the whole city (Google history) Repented.

    We just have to figure out what 2022 looks like as far as:

    In the days of Noah

    In the days of Jonah
  • Suze - in Reply on Revelation 18
    Mishael ! I'm shocked ! You are banned off you tube ! I'm glad for you ! You don't belong on there my brother . I'm sure there is some good stuff on there but you are not of this world Mishael , don't be sad that a worldly forum has rejected you , that's a good sign ! Much love in Christ .
    Christians today are told, in essence, to "come out of her"; that is, to separate themselves from the wickedness of the world: "Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. . . . Therefore, 'Come out from them and be separate,' says the Lord. 'Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you'" ( 2 Corinthians 6:14-17).

    During the tribulation, when the people of the world see the destruction of Babylon the Great, they will mourn the loss of their source of riches and pleasure ( Revelation 18:9, 15, 19).

    I'm not going to disparage on the Catholic Church at large. Not all are the same as the Vatican. I was kind of shocked when the Pope visited Jerusalem and said (on TV), Israel should give over control of the ? Golan Heights to the Palestinians who are occupying it. But the Israelis police it. Lots of Israelis are being shot or injured.

    God CUT A COVENANT WITH ABRAHAM and his wife Sarah. Period. Ishmael has no rights to any part of Jerusalem or the land deeded to Abraham, recorded in the Bible. The Israelis want to build Temple #3. Good news is this: once the Temple is built and animal sacrifices for sin, begin again; Jesus will return and get His Church (Christians) off this planet. Watch the Israel news with Erick Stakelbeck and subscribe (on YouTube) so you can keep an eye on the progress.

    American news media barely reports on Israel news.

    FYI. You might look at all the Palestinian preaching on YouTube about the MAHDI they are looking for. I can't believe I'm banned off youtube and then they allow militant preaching about the Mahdi ?!?

  • Marke - in Reply on Revelation 18
    I've heard commentary that Babylon represents the Roman Catholic Church, and I can accept that application, but I think it is a more appropriate application to say Babylon represents the formerly Christian nation of America that has become apostate during the last days. Babylon in Revelation is a "city" full of people doing great business and making tradesmen around the world rich through commerce. The Catholic Church is primarily guilty of making its officers rich, but not enriching world businessmen so much.
  • Melvin McKelvey on Revelation 18
    In Rev 18:4 GOD says "come out of her". Does that mean Babylon or the Catholic church or both?
  • Isaac - in Reply on Revelation 18
    There is no other interpretation possible other than that she is the Woman Who Rides the Beast, the Prostitute Church centered in the City of seven hills who should be the bride of Christ but is not. That's what Rev 17-18 is all about. She is responsible for the blood of the saints and ALL the abominations in the earth today. America - give me a break.

    The 6th head of the beast morphed into the 7th head in 476AD when the 11th horn uprooted 3 others (Vandals, Ostrogoths and Heruli) and took control spiritually and used that power to rule all. The beast received a deadly wound in 1517 and set about destroying the Reformation using Gnosticism - humanism as implemented by Clement VII and Loyola. The RC Church became a Gnostic institution and set about making the rest of the world secular and humanistic. By 1730, Michelangelo Tambriorini, General of the Jesuits 1706-1730 "See, sir, from this chamber, I govern, not only to Paris, but to China; not only to China, but to all the world, without any one knowing how I do it". Charles Chiniquy 50 Years in the Church of Rome. Read F Tupper Saussy's book "Rulers of Evil". Only then will you understand why the world is like it is today with the revived 8th head. Of course, nobody wants to hear this, everyone has pet theories about some future Anti-Christ unaware that this theory came from a 1600 book by Jesuit Priest Ribera and picked up by cultists Irving and Darby.
  • ELB - in Reply on Revelation 18
    Phillip, the "HER" in Revelation 18 is Babylon (the world, carnality, falsehoods, deceptions), that all mankind is in the CAPTIVITY OF.

    God commands that we, God's church (the called out) come out of HER (BABYLON)(the world, carnality, falsehoods, deceptions).

    Revelation 18:2 And he (the ANGEL OF THE LORD, Christ, God's messenger of SPIRIT, the HOLY GHOST, THE WORD) cried mightly with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen (though Christ resurrection man is no long in captivity to Babylon (the world, carnality, falsehoods, deceptions), is fallen, and (Babylon)(the World) is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, (falsehoods, deceptions) and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

    Revelation 18:4 And I heard a voice from heaven, saying, Come out of HER (BABYLON, the world, carnality, falsehoods, deception), my people (God's church, the called out), that ye be not partakers of HER SINS, and that ye receive not of HER PLAQUES (the wages of sin is DEATH).

    The gift of God (Christ in you, LIFE and TRUTH in you, the HOLY GHOST in you) is ETERNAL LIFE.

  • ELB - in Reply on Revelation 18
    Marke, the "her" in Revelation 18 is Babylon, the world's system of government (law written in stone), directly opposite God's government (law written in the heart).

    WE are commanded to come out of BABYLON and live under the LAW OF THE SPIRIT.

    Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her (Babylon, the world, carnality) my people (Christ church) that ye be not partakers of her (Babylon, carnality, worldly), and that ye receive not of her plagues.

  • Giannis - in Reply on Revelation 18
    Dear Philip

    Although there is a wide acceptance by christians in US that Babylon is America as i read in comments, over here most christians believe that Babylon represants EITHER the apostat church during the times of antichrist, that is the union of all cosmic churches and/or religions which they accept anything apart from the truth of the Word of God, anything that sounds nice to their ears, and possesses wealth and power and serve the plans of antichrist OR it refers to globalization, the universal political, economic, cultural ...system of the modern world we live in.

    And please let me make an observation. If you think America has a faith problem you should come to Europe to see what atheism is really like. America still holds on in faith. Please keep doing the good work fellow christians.

  • Marke - in Reply on Revelation 18
    I suspect the "her" of Revelation 18 is America, but could be referring to any nation or group who fancies themselves to be in God's favor but are not and, like the Church of Laodicea, are rich and increased with goods but lacking the filling of God's Spirit.

    Rev 3

    14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

    15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

    16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

    17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

    18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
  • Phillip John Edser on Revelation 18
    Who is the "her" reported in this biblical verse, above?
  • Richard H Priday - in Reply on Revelation 18
    There are a number of books on the subject; although other than "The two Babylons" regarding the spiritual and economic ones; the names escape me at present. There are many scriptures in the O.T. particularly in Jeremiah that seem to indicate America indeed is being referred to. The land "divided by rivers" which has a mixture of people or a melting pot is indicated. It seems that people in the land were said to know the Lord; and yet the occult is something present simultaneously. Revelation itself seems to show that the fornication and great wealth was the history of Babylon; as well as a military might "the hammer of the earth". We currently have over 800 military bases worldwide; and the fact that we have suffered no direct war on our mainland except for the 911 event may make some think we are indestructible. But we have fomented pornography and violence through the internet to the world; as well as established occultic symbolism in Wash. D.C. with the design of the Pentagon; the Washington Monument and the street grid. NYC clearly is an economic hub and it appears that ever rising stocks in the last generation are vastly overdue for a fall. The whole world economic system is tied into our trade (i.e. stock exchange) which truly would wail at the downfall. There is; of course the one world religion planned for Abu Dhabi as well s a city 30 times bigger with drones than NYC. The Pope is behind this; as well as the Temple being rebuilt by Turkey; and Saudi Arabia. So there could be multiple locations; and worldwide ramifications wherever Babylon is. Our country is; however divided by rivers unlike those parts of the world we have MANY waters; and coastlines. Merchants of Tarshish (Spain); and the young lions thereof in the isles could be vague references to the USA as well having come from England.
  • Free - in Reply on Revelation 18
    Dear "Barbara Kuks", in peace we get to read the rest of the chapter and understand that this unfortunately no longer exists in our world. Horses and carriages, (forces and cars)? Have you read the whole chapter? Today there are many big cities. Are there really harpists, musicians, flute players and trumpet players, And the sound of millstones in NY? Would it be possible to hear these instruments through the noise of the city? And what kind of sorcery is there in the city? Which is not also found everywhere on earth today. This is not an end-time story for one city. Wake up now! The words speak to us all, repentance is necessary.

    In verse 8 we can imagine the unrest coming. For here is the Lord God judging her. The unrest we can think about is atomic bombs. But then the whole earth will go, not just one city.

    I pray for all of us that we will have revelation and the spirit of truth in our hearts. John 8:31-36 So that we can know the depth and height, the length and breadth of the whole Word of God. Ephesians 3:8 Which to me is alive and sharp, a somewhat double-edged sword. Hebrew 4:12-13

    Be blessed dear ones, repent and be baptized in the Lord Jesus Christ and you and your house will be saved. Acts 16:31
  • Barbara Kuks on Revelation 18
    Do you believe that this Babylon referred to in Rev. 18 is the United States/ New York ? It seems the only entity in the world that fits the description. Also it is not referred to in end times scenarios.
  • Least in the Kindom of God - in Reply on Revelation 18
    "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." Revelation 18:4 KJV

    I have family and friends in the RC system...I can't call it a church. A lot of true Christians left the RC system an excellent book is "50 Years in the Church of Rome". By Charles Chiniquy a RC priest who left and became a Presbyterian minister (sadly today also in the RC system).

    I pray our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will bless you and your loved ones. a brother in Christ Dartmouth Nova Scotia Can.
  • VALENTINO FALCONE on Revelation 18
    Is babylon considered the united states? i have heard this and to me

    it does seem like we are the babylon. i'm a catholic and we were never taught to actually read the bible.

    i have many christian friends that feel we have been deceived and that the vaccines are the mark.... that the filth, ( pornography...child trafficking, the satanic rituals) and ungodly behaviour...(proven from eyewitnesses whistleblowers ) by our world leaders participating ( yes, in us, rome etc )

    has been allowed by us... with no challenge... we have with our apathy and .. acquiesced, and as a result, have ignored these worldly evils, thus god and the angels are angry...our destiny will be god's rath...... our beautiful world has ... been dominated by the evil one...the devil.. i pray for the world

    are we the us babylon?

    thank you,


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