Revelation Chapter 17 Discussion


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  • Jovelynkoloyahoocom on Revelation 17
    It seems clear to me now that the Vatican City in Italy is the city did that mystery Babylon dwells in. This is significant today because there is reports that the special forces of the United States took out the lights and Vatican City after thet Capitol Hill laptops were confiscated on January 6th 2020.

    Mystery Babylon is all over the world and it's spirit is preventing people from coming to the knowledge of the truth.

    I am so vigilant to prt that comes from this wicked and evil city comes from this wicked and evil city it stopped.
  • Terry - in Reply on Revelation 17
    Most of today's Christians hold to the doctrine of this false religion. Making Jesus a deity rather than the Son of God .

    RCC did not stop there either it gets worse. Much worse .
  • Stephen Meehan - in Reply on Revelation 17
    Jesus Christ is deity. That didn't originate with the RCC. The Word of God tells us that.
  • Lawrence P Beduhn on Revelation 17
    Teil 2

    This is the image of the beast (that great city), who like Babylon of antiquity, who thinks to usurp church and state craft.

    The number eight is a metaphor for the resurrection. The eighth is resurrected from a former head of the seven; the 5th head that received a deadly wound.

    (When he shall go into perdition: this will be the final dispensation of this beast with seven heads, that is a metaphor for satan.)

    Jesus;

    (The resurrection; John 11:25) /Isous = 888

    by counting the letter values of the Greek transliteration;

    I(10), E(8), S(200), O(70), U(400), S(200).

    In antiquity the mountain was not only a metaphor for a kingdom, but it was also symbolic of the head of a (river) dragon that was symbolic of a river that flows out from a mountain, after the spring thaw and overflowing its banks, spreading out in the form of the dragon's tail.

    The color is scarlet because it is symbolic of the blood of the saints of the Lord.

    A woman in prophecy is always a metaphor for a church, in this case (Jezebel) it is the fallen temple of God.

    The false prophet, a lamb (Christ like) with two horns, and/but will speak like a dragon (a wolf in sheep's clothing), will be the beast (from out of the earth ... the USA) that will make an image unto the first beast from out of the sea, who received a deadly wound and his deadly wound was healed.

    The two horns are a metaphor for two (equal) kingdoms in one, church and state craft.

    Medo-Persia also is expressed as having two horns [Daniel 8:3], but one was higher, (Persia) and eventually usurps the other.

    This is the image of the first beast from out of the sea (Papal Rome). Once the wall of separation of church and state is lost, then will the second beast from out of the earth become the image of the first beast, who claims the authority of both church and state.

    In conclusion, when the wall of separation of church and state is lost, then so too will the blessing that came with this separation be lost.
  • Lawrence P Beduhn on Revelation 17
    MYSTERY BABYLON

    The seven headed beast of Revelation 17:

    "Here is the mind which has wisdom"

    The heads are symbolic of seven kingdoms, starting with the beast of Daniel 7;

    1st < Babylon

    2nd < Medo-Persia

    3rd < Greece

    4th < Pagan Rome

    5th < Papal Rome; the little horn

    ("that was" & "is not" & "yet is")

    6th < "one is"

    The woman that rides the beast is in captivity at the time of John's vision, AFTER receiving the deadly wound from the (atheist) beast from the bottomless pit [Revelation 11:7]. This is the beast of THE TIME AND PLACE of John's vision IN THE WILDERNESS.

    (Meaning that John is in the wilderness in his vision and not physical on Patmos, and he sees a beast that would come up from out of this wilderness. Read Job 38:26.)

    7th < "is not yet come"

    At the time of John's vision in the wilderness, this head of the beast was yet to come; this is the beast from out of the earth [Revelation 13:11];

    (And he shall exercise all of the power of the first beast...) when this beast will speak like a dragon.



    This beast must continue a short time, as per the others before him.

    I believe by the testimony of Jesus, that we are now living in that "short time".

    The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

    {Revelation 17:8}

    :11...even he is the eighth, AND IS OF THE SEVEN, and ascends out of the bottomless pit and goes into perdition.

    --There are seven heads at the time of John's vision, five kings/heads/beast are fallen, so this eighth is of the five kingdoms...."that was"...."and is not"...."yet is" AND received a deadly wound; AND his deadly wound was healed.

    This wound is the loss of her (the woman/church that rides the beast.) temporal sword (also her captivity), which is the earthly secular world kingdom.
  • Everley on Revelation 17:4
    Do we need to keep the feast days? The Lord's super has replace the feast days?
  • Mishael - in Reply on Revelation 17:4
    There's a compact list here that will answer your question. You'll have to ask your Pastor which ones your Church observes. Most all of them I think. Mothering Sunday is known as Mother's Day.

    Bolton.ac.uk
  • Chris - in Reply on Revelation 17:4
    The "Feast Days" are Jewish remembrance Feasts that they were required to adhere to. These feasts were meant to bring back to memory what the LORD God had done for them during their history. Had the Jews recognized their Messiah & turned from their sins through faith in Him, then those Feast Days would hold no more significance, other than just historical events. Those Feasts looked forward to Jesus Christ Who was their fulfilment.

    So the believer (both Jew & Gentile) do not "keep the Feast Days" as their purpose has already been accomplished through the Lord Jesus. The Lord's Supper is strictly a memorial 'feast' in remembrance of the Lord's death & resurrection. Though this "Supper" has no direct connection to the purpose of the Jewish Feasts, it is in a sense, a Christian feast that is celebrated whenever we choose to do so, rather than at a specific time of the year (as with the Jewish Feasts). The Jewish Feast looked forward to the coming Messiah & His Sacrifice - the Lord's Supper looks backward to all that the Messiah has done for us at the Cross.
  • I've heard some Christians say they plan to vote for a candidate that promotes mass-murder (abortion). Does anyone have any moral justification for voting for and supporting mass murder?
  • Steve Meehan - in Reply on Revelation 17:11
    They are confused and lack spiritual discernment. Even the pope and other "New World Order" types (globalists) are in favor of a Biden presidency, instead of Trump - who is a thorn in their side.
  • T Philemon Gordon on Revelation 17:11
    I appreciate the way you interpret the beast system and their powers. But what are the two rising power of Revelation 13:1-10 and 13:11-18? what is the image of that beast? how and in which way are they going to tag world population with mark? many thanks.
  • Larry on Revelation 17:2
    The Mystery Babylon IS the Main Stream Media
  • Sally Berry on Revelation 17
    Thank you, Who or what is the little horn? It is mentioned along the way but not exactly listed with the ten horns.

    Thanks again.

    Sally Berry
  • Mishael - in Reply on Revelation 17
    My understanding is that the little horn is Antichrist. I'm studying Daniel right now.

    Scripture speaks that in the end days knowledge will be increased. Let's pray for the Holy Spirit to teach us the truth of these things.
  • FOOD Problems on Revelation 17
    I heard last night that foreign countries OWN over 50 MILLION acres of American farmland. They can ship the food back to their own countries; not here.

    Their farmlands are contaminated with pandemic substances. Who really knows.

    They sell their home grown food to us. And ship US Grown food to their country. President Trump has sanctioned against the importing of Chinese meat into our country. What happens if the White House turns Blue in November??

    Our Country is being ruined by Big Business, Crooked Politicians and run by people with no souls. China exports food to all countries! I've been boycotting Walmart :/. Big help that is huh?

    I watched a PBS rescue show about how the Chinese are serving up Turtles in their fancy restaurants; with smuggled Pangolin meats: that can carry Corona Virus!! How sick is that? I wonder if our meat inspectors check that meat?

    There are stories on Google about how meat is being SMUGGLED into this country. It's been going on for years. I wish I didn't read those stories....it's bigger than what I've said.

    Maybe we should make Congress have them stamp all the products with country of origin?

    Everybody just really pray over your food. Ask the Lord to "bless and sanctify it; make it holy for us to consume; and our babies. Pets too. Amen.

    Jesus said except He Return and take us with Him, no life would be saved. We gotta trust Jesus with this. It makes me happy that we can put our Trust in God.

    Mishael
  • Tami Crosley - in Reply on Revelation 17
    Pray over everything@ Armor up every day
  • Cecil Gary on Revelation 17
    I have to agree with Thelma Parker that Jerusalem is MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS. Jerusalem will be the seat of the Anti-christs government. Much of Revelation speaks of the last 3 1/2 years of the Anti-christ's seven year seven year covenant and the second coming of Jesus. THE GREAT CITY or THAT GREAT CITY is the key to understand who MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS is. THE GREAT CITY or THAT GREAT CITY is mentioned 11 times in the Book of Revelation: Revelation 11:13, Revelation 11:8, Revelation 14:8, Revelation 16:19, Revelation 17:18, Revelation 18:10, Revelation 18:16, Revelation 18:18, Revelation 18:19, Revelation 18:21, Revelation 21:10.These verses can only be speaking of one GREAT CITY. Revelation 11:8 says it is where our Lord was crucified. This is definitely Jerusalem. Revelation 18:21 calls Babylon THAT GREAT CITY. In Revelation 21:10, John is shown THAT GREAT CITY, the holy Jerusalem, the new Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God. Read all 11 verses listed above to see what happens to Jerusalem known as Babylon, the seat of the Anti-christ's government. Also search on line for Catholic Arch Bishop Malachy prophesy that the Pope will be the False Prophet... Cecil Gary
  • Sally Berry - in Reply on Revelation 17
    I agree Malachi Martin, certainly was a devout man and exposed the evil within the Catholic church in his writings. Thanks for your comment. I appreciate it and it reminds me of Malachi's writings.
  • Andy G van den Berg on Revelation 17
    Revelation 17:5

    Please review the spiritual truth and the history of 'The Mystery Babylon and Mother of Harlots' on a world deceived.ca
  • Thomas Jones on Revelation 17:10
    Revelation 17:10 is all about Papacy. Seven kings are 7 generic names comes after 1798, ie Pius, Leo, Gregory, Benedict, John, Paul, John & Paul. Protestant church fathers always proclaimed that papacy is antichrist system bearing the number 666.All popes are numbered. Thus in the generic name of pius 12 popes reigned and its total is 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9/+10+11+12=78.Like wise Leo- 13 popes =91, gregory 16popes=136, benedict 14 popes =105, John 21 popes =231, paul 6 popes=21, john paul 2 popes=3. And altogether the count is 665 with john paul ii. 8th was benedict 16 and then count became 665+16=681.Benedict resigned and the count returned to 681- 16 = 665. Francis is a new papal name so count is 1.Thus his total count is 665+1=666. From these above we can see that john paul reigned for a short space. Generic count completed by death (fall)of the pope. Revelation 17 :11- And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eight, and is of the seven, and goeth in to perdition. And the eight is pope francis. Catholic bishop st malachy's prophecy confirm this. Francis pope is petrus romanus. The malachy prophecy also predicts that our Lord Jesus will return in that time of his reign. So our Lord Jesus is coming very very soon. Much sooner than we think. Popes are kings because they rule the kingdom of vatican. Beast is referred as political &religious head. Napoleon captured pope pius during 1798 and papacy wounded by sword. Papacy reigned from AD- 538 to 1798 continuously for 1260years.
  • Michele Johnson on Revelation 17
    Revelation 7:10 (KJV)

    1. Who are the five fallen kings?

    2. What is the meaning of kings with no kingdom?
  • Mishael - in Reply on Revelation 17
    You can go to the search box when you come into the website: type your scripture in there.

    When it comes up, touch it and highlight it.

    Scroll down past commentary box and select Discussion.

    Many good comments/ thought on it . Hope you find your answer
  • Adeenah on Revelation 17:5
    i have been praying for this day to come
  • Steve Meehan on Revelation 17
    Jerusalem was never identified as Babylon; spiritually she was called Sodom and Egypt, but never Babylon. Rome, however, was identified as Babylon; it was a code name for that "Great City". Roman Catholicism is not the true Bride of Christ; it is a counterfeit of Christianity, thus identified as a whore.
  • Thelma Parker on Revelation 17
    All the modern signs may seem to show that the woman represents the RC religion /organisation, but please consider Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. The "great city" is clearly Jerusalem, my dears - in the Future Day of the LORD! The seven mountains represent the seven kingdoms under which Israel was held captive - Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome and the seventh kingdom into which the vile person comes and becomes the Antichrist when Satan enters into him. The man will be "the 8th" - used to bring judgments on rejecters of The Lamb! basar-blessings.org
  • Steve Meehan on Revelation 17
    There are more than enough indicators in Revelation 17 to indict Roman Catholicism as the whore. She sits on seven hills; their clergy wear purple and scarlet; they killed the saints and martyrs who wouldn't bend the knee to the papacy (Foxes Book of Martyrs); she is fabulously rich with jewels, gold, precious stones; her tentacles reach worldwide; she has raised and deposed kings; her kingdom is of this world unlike Christ's whose was not; her golden cup is full of the idolatrous fabrication that her priests can turn wine into the actual blood of Christ; her daily masses are a sham where they proclaim that they are sacrificing Christ over and over again. Her days are numbered. Flee from her.
  • MB - in Reply on Revelation 17
    You are so right in your assessment of what this woman represents.

    I would encourage others to read the history of Catholicism from it's conception.

    Also note the the comments the Pope of today has made and is promoting.
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Revelation 17
    ......Revelation 18:24 - And in her (Babylon) was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

    Revelation 16:6 - For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

    Revelation 17:6 - And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

    Mystery Babylon killed the prophets

    Jesus speaking Luke 13:33 - Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem. for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.

    Jesus - Matthew 23:37 - O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

    the two witnesses of God are mentioned here:

    Revelation 11:8 - And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

    Jesus, MY LORD was crucified in JERUSALEM, which is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt. NOT Rome or in Mecca or the USA

    Jerusalem killed the prophets, not Rome, and since babylon killed the prophets = Jerusalem

    Ezekiel 16:2 - Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations,

    Malachi 2:11 - Judah hath dealt treacherously, and an abomination is committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah hath profaned the holiness of the LORD which he loved, and hath married the daughter of a strange god.
  • Yolanda on Revelation 17
    Why is the Euphrates River called the "Great Euphrates River?"
  • Shawn on Revelation 17
    amen prayer


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