Revelation Chapter 16 Discussion

  • Tree O - in Reply on Revelation 16
    Mark 2:27 "And He (Jesus) said unto them, "The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath:" 28 "Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath."

    Jesus became our sabbath. The word sabbath taken back to it's prime (Strong's concordance 7676 from 7673)in the Hebrew means 'to rest.'

    Jesus speaking in Matt 11:28 "Come unto Me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest." 29 "Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls." 30 For My yoke is easy, and My burden is light."

    When we stay in the Word and walk in His light we keep the sabbath daily which gives us restful peace knowing the world has no power over us as we wear the armour of God.
  • Giannis - in Reply on Revelation 16
    Lets talk about Sabbath first.

    Many things from the OT are not valid now Sacrifices, offerings, commandments, holy days etc have no place in NT. One of them is Sabbath.

    See Colossians 2:16. Here apostole Paul says to Colosians that no man can judge them because they didn't follow OT's practises, including (pay attention) Sabbath as some Jewish christians claimed. Paul dismisses this idea.

    Christians soon chose the first day of the week for their formal congregation during which they "broke bread" that is take the Body and Blood of Jesus Crist or as some churches name it have Holly Communion, see Acts 20:7,

    Also in 1 Corinthians 11:20 Paul talks about Lord's Super, (but the greek text says Lord's Day super "Kyriako deipno") . Lord's Day is how early Christians called Sunday. Early Christians had the Holly Communion during a super just as Jesus did with His Disciples. This practice was abandoned sometime during the 2nd century AD and the Holly Communion was transferred from the church's super to the formal Sunday service.

    Also see 1 Corinthians 16:2 Paul says to Christians in Corinth to gather money on Lord's Day.

    Also in Revelation 1:10 apostole John talks about Lord's Day

    So the formal day for christians at the time that the apostles lived was Sunday,. Sabbath has nothing to do with us now Many other verses that i cannot remember now verify that the Sunday and not Sabbath was the formal day for early christians.

    You can find all those things in books about the history of church.

    Now as far as commandments are concerned to be honest i have no idea what the Catholic church has done.

    God bless you.
  • Chris - in Reply on Revelation 16
    Hi Steve. Yes, the RC version of the Decalogue involves taking the first three commandments & reducing them to two. Therefore, the fourth commandment becomes the third. And of course, the tenth commandment is split into two, making it the ninth & tenth.

    Nowhere in Bible has the Sabbath Day (the seventh day - in the fourth commandment) been changed to the the first day of the week. When Christians choose to worship on the first day of the week, this is not a Sabbath replacement, as the Sabbath was a day of complete rest for Israel, as ordained by God. Sunday for the Christian is a day chosen to meet together for worship (i.e. in most parts of the world; some countries have other days). This might be in line with the early Church meeting on the first day of the week, called the Lord's Day ( Acts 20:7).
  • CHANGE WHEN CHANGE IS REQUIRED - in Reply on Revelation 16
    Malachi 3:6

    For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

    John 8:47

    He that is of God heareth God's words: you therefore hear them not, because you are not of God.

    Romans 1:28

    And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

    God does not change His mind about His Word; Jesus or the Bible.

    People/priests however do change Gods word and are subject to what is written at the end of Revelation 22. They do it to themselves and hurt others by saying their decisions are right.

    By knowing the Bible we can avoid pitfalls to our faith in God. If your church is political and makes changes politically, you have a responsibility to separate yourself from that church; seek one teaching the WHOLE BIBLE and not omitting or adding to "the Bible".

    There is no "wiggle" room on these matters. Jesus said, FOLLOW ME. You bear the responsibility to change your Church Affiliation. Period.

    Jesus is returning soon and there isn't another 100 years to flesh out the problems of religious political issues. They just want your financial support. Find a real Bible teaching Church. Not those that mix in philosophy, how to be happy happy in your life without change; marriage counselors, and subjects that are not scripturally based.

    Super Churches are not able to give one on one, encouragement to their parishioners.

    Bottom line: Follow Jesus. We are HIS DISCIPLES on this earth.
  • Steve Jobe on Revelation 16
    Where are the scripture(s) that show where god changed the sabbath the

    seventh day of the week to sunday the first day of the week and why are the catholic ten commandments are missing the 4th and 2nd commandments and split the 10th to make ten???? i cant find them anywhere........
  • Daniel Lindenbaum - in Reply on Revelation 16
    Hell is detailed throughout the Bible. Hell is real and so are the various layers within. The Bottomless pit is a void where God keeps demons captive until they receive their judgment and punishment, also in the Lake of Fire. If you read in the following verses in Luke chapter 8 we're given an idea of the demons that were therein:

    Luke 8: 30 & 31

    "And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him. And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep."
  • Chris - in Reply on Revelation 16
    Hi Albert, the Book of the Revelation makes reference to the 'bottomless pit' in several places: Revelation chapters 9, 11, 17 & 20. And this place is generally seen as Hell, the domain of Satan, his devils, & the wicked. This place is different to their final place of judgement: the Lake of Fire (Revelation chapters 19, 20 & 21).
  • Albert joiner on Revelation 16
    where in the bible dose it talk about the bottomless pit
  • Carleton - in Reply on Revelation 16:16
    Hello, Perhaps these vials have a lot to do with cause and effect. In the day that we live, many minds are turned towards violence and corruption. We can feed on news/entertainments that have these evils, which increases demand, which increases our fleshly appetites. Might God while time remains in the flesh pronounce judgements upon man, while yet there remain saints that have transparent lives in the flesh saved by grace (where the mark of faith is in Jesus as he is first in our minds). Oh, but the beast cannot stand not having his mark on the saints and prophets in the earth. The plagues of Revelation 15 and the vials of Revelation 16 can be seen in effect today. The opposing army of Armageddon is a mystery that has perhaps its answer in a sudden end of time. Thus we must watch and pray in our day how this battle for our soul is playing.
  • Chris - in Reply on Revelation 16:16
    Hello Bob. This chapter speaks about the Great Tribulation days, when those left on the Earth, subscribe to the Anti-Christ's demands & worship him. It is upon those who will suffer under God's Wrath & receive this "noisome and grievous sore" (or, an evil/malicious festering sore/ulcer) cf: Exodus 9:8-10 (of God's Anger to the Egyptians) - and this was only the first vial of God's Wrath during that extended period of time. Much more horrors to come. From the texts pertaining to this time in history, it would be difficult to corroborate the Covid vaccine's present effects felt by some, with that Scripture.
  • revelation 16:2 is this a result from the experimental mRNA injection given around the world now?
  • Peter Stone - in Reply on Revelation 16
    Evelyn Brown,

    Revelation 6: 16 lets you know that the 6th seal, scroll and earthquake, lead into the great and dreadful day of the Lord. The world is about to change for the worse.

    Armageddon, as you sighted, occurs at the end, when Jesus returns, as prophesy is complete.

    I hope that helps,

    God bless
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Revelation 16
    Sister Evelyn, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    The battle of Armageddon is a battle as real as any battle; yet this battle isn't with natural weapons of warfare. Study Isaiah 9, it's a prophecy about Christ, the kingdom of God, and the battle we fight to obtain the kingdom (CHRIST IN YOU).

    Isaiah 9:5 For every battle of the warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood, but this (battle) SHALL BE with BURNING and FUEL OF FIRE.

    Isaiah 9:19 ......And THE PEOPLE shall be the FUEL OF THE FIRE (CHRIST)....( Hebrews 12:29)

    Revelation 9:18 By these three was a third part of man killed, BY THE FIRE (CHRIST)( Hebrews 12:29) ....

    Ezekiel 5:3 Thou shall BURN a third part in the fire (IN CHRIST) ....

    Ezekiel 5:4 Then take of them again, and cast them into the midst of the FIRE (IN CHRIST), and burn them in the FIRE (IN CHRIST)....

    Isaiah 4:4 When the LORD (FIRE) shall have washed away the filth of the DAUGHTERS OF ZION, and shall have purged the blood of (new) Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the SPIRIT OF JUDGEMENT and the SPIRIT OF BURNING.

    Zachariah 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the FIRE (CHRIST) .....

    Malachi 3:2 Who shall abide the day of his coming (CHRIST IN YOU)? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiners FIRE.....

    Matthew 3:11 ....he will baptise you with the HOLY GHOST and FIRE:

    Revelation 21:8 But the FEARFUL, and MURDERS ( 1 John 3:15).....and ALL LIARS shall have their part in the lake that burneth with FIRE (JUDGED IN CHRIST)...

    Joel 3:14 Multitude, multitudes, in the valley of DECISION: for the DAY OF THE LORD (TODAY) is near in the valley of DECISION.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Revelation 16

    Revelation 16:16 is speaking of a real battle that will take place.

    And he gathered them together into the place which is called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

    The valley of Megiddo, it's HAR-MEGIDDON. HAR is valley. The valley of Megiddo is what Armageddon means.

    And we see that in Zechariah Chapter 14 Verses 2 and 3, and Ezekiel Chapters 38 and 39. It talks about this battle known as Armageddon, or the valley of Megiddo.
  • Evelyn Brown on Revelation 16
    Explain Revelation 16 verse 16. The battle of Armageddon is is a real battle or is symbolic. Thank you.
  • Philip Christian Parks on Revelation 16:16
    frogs; Rev. 16:13 = Frogs are amphibians and distant zoological relatives to reptiles. In the demonic spiritual realm, these frog-like "unclean spirits" are related to "the dragon" (Satan/Devil; identified twelve times in Revelation), also a spiritually unclean reptile. In the physical world, reptiles eat frogs, but in the spiritual world, the dragon issues one of these frogs from his mouth. How strange are both the physical and the spiritual worlds!

    Amphibious frogs are at home in water as they are on land. In the Second Egyptian Plague, frogs issued "abundantly" from the river ( Exo. 8:3). Interestingly, the unholy trinity issues these frogs immediately after the waters of the Euphrates River dries up.

    As an unclean animal for dietary consumption, The Jews considered frogs an abomination ( Lev. 11:10-12). Scriptures record the word "frogs" fourteen times, and all references, with this exception, refers to the Second Egyptian Plague ( Exo. 8:2f; Ps. 78:45; 105:30) when GOD sent frogs as an instrument of judgment. GOD can use any created creature to torment and judge the ungodly.
  • Raven - in Reply on Revelation 16:16
    Actually if you read revelation chapter 16 verse 15, it says that he comes like a their, and it it right after the 6th vial and just before the 7th vial and the Great wrath. I don't believe it is a pre-trib rapture at all.
  • Is this happening NOW?
  • Rick Mentzer - in Reply on Revelation 16:17
    It can be anything that apposes itself against the true God, I know a lot of Beleivers who use the internet to teach so not everything about it is evil.
  • Chris - in Reply on Revelation 16:17
    If you're referring to Revelation 16:17, then this verse speaks of an angel (from God) who pours out his vial upon the Earth in the time of the Great Tribulation (when God's Anger is poured out upon the world). After the contents of the vial was poured out, there were thunders, lightnings & a great earthquake. So there's no devil seen in this verse, & certainly no internet.

    However, Ephesians 2:2 does mention the "prince of the power of the air". Maybe you're thinking of this, as certainly the Devil is implied here, but any reference to the internet is not seen here either.
  • Elizabeth Parent on Revelation 16:17
    Revelations mentions the devil of the air . Can this be the internet ?
  • Betty on Revelation 16
    I love the bible thank you so much for making this bible
  • TsmfRiEdtrEE54 - in Reply on Revelation 16:16
    Yes me ethier thats not right:)
  • Rahkahtbestoped - in Reply on Revelation 16:16
    Yes thats Right Amen!!
  • Rahkahtbestoped - in Reply on Revelation 16:16
    I dont need to vote i got Jesus if you need a president thats u but im not voteing for nobody but Jesus.
  • Selena - in Reply on Revelation 16:16
    It definitely makes NO sense to me- *abstinence* aught to be taught to our youth in public schools and instead of having a gay "pride" club to confuse the young teenagers about their own perceived sexuality...and giving away free condoms like a perceived license to fornicate and commit adultery. What these young people don't understand until later on in life is that sinning against your own body has consequences, it's so sad. May God lead these young people onto the straight and narrow path that leads to eternal life with JESUS, instead of the wide path that many walk on which ultimately leadeth to destruction..

    No matter what, I know God is Good, and his will will be done on earth as in heaven in Jesus name.
  • Chris - in Reply on Revelation 16:16
    Hi Ronald, thank you for your comment & when I saw your quote, Galatians 2:20, I remembered that that was my key verse when sharing my testimony at a Nazarene Church while serving with a Christian Mission in Dewsbury, U.K. So that came as a precious reminder & one to reflect upon. And you're quite right, I think most of us contributing on this Site, won't take personal credit for what we share, as we write what we understand from God's Holy Word & being led of His Spirit. I realize that others could say the same, yet interpret the Word quite differently, which of course gives different points of view for others to consider. However, we come, I trust, with a real sense of brotherly unity in diversity because of our 'common' faith. We could never claim to be the repository of Truth, but to declare what the Word says with the Light we've received.

    No, I'm not a pastor - just a lowly child of the King, ever amazed as to "why, unworthy as I am, (God) claimed me for His own". (From the hymn, "I know not why God's wondrous Grace"). I live in Perth, Australia, having experienced a mighty conviction & moving of the Spirit in October 1979 whilst in my quarters in the Air Force in Canberra. My life of unbridled sin was brought before me, receiving a special piercing visit by God's Spirit that brought me to my knees in tears. And in a moment those tears turned to joy as His confirmation & peace filled me, so if anyone should've entered the room, I would have been deemed a ripe candidate for urgent psychological help.

    I have shared many Bible studies over the years, particularly during my time in Pakistan & India, but now am retired in Perth, the city my family moved to from India 54 years ago. Anyway, that's a quick brief to give you some background but to also acknowledge the great value of the many others who also share here, of what the Lord has revealed to them in their studies in the Word.
  • Admin - in Reply on Revelation 16:16
    Hi Randall, looks like you were able to post just fine. Most comments more than 1 month old can't be replied to (locked) to encourage people to start a new thread. It works out better that way. God bless you!
  • Randall Bunton on Revelation 16:16
    Why is the comment locked? The red letter in the KJV bible is the truth. To suggest Jesus would have his disciples slaughtered with no defense is wrong. He blinded Saul on the road to Damascus to protect his flock. People must be able to defend themselves against evil. He literally meant they must defend themselves and their families against the demonic powers that exist on the Earth. Jesus never bowed the knee to any king or devil on the Earth. Christians must follow his Divine teaching and warnings. For the days are indeed evil. Anyone that believes Jesus was a non-violent advocate like Martin Luther King do not believe his prophecy. I will follow the Nazarene no matter what "scholars" say to twist his word. Antichrist is still here as in the time of Jesus. The carpenter was no weakling trying to compromise good and evil. He stood firm and we must also.
  • A Jewish Wedding on Revelation 16:16
    These are actual 7 steps of a Jewish wedding.

    1. First, the Jewish groom barters with the father of the bride. They get together and they go back-and-forth, and barter as to what the deal is going to be.

    2. Once they reach an agreement, the future bride is brought in. And if she approves of it, all three of them drink out of the covenant cup, which means from that time forward they are betrothed.

    3. The groom goes back to his father's house to build their living quarters. It is built right off of the family home. And once the wedding takes place, and they are now married, they will go back to his family's home, and there will be living quarters that will be for them.

    4. The father of the groom decides when the living quarters are done, and when he can go get his bride. What does that tell us? We don't know the time or the hour. It has to be a minimum of one year because it is a time of purity for her. The groom can go get his bride when his father decides it's time.

    5. When the marriage announcement is made, catch this: the people who have already been invited to the wedding feast, they take their positions along the parade route, because the groom is going to get his bride. And there are people stationed in position all the way along the route. They join the parade as it passes by. It is called a parade.

    6. When the groom reaches the bride's house, he stands at a distance and blows the shofar, the trumpet, for the bride to come out and meet him. And the wedding takes place at that time. Do you see anything in there about prophecy? The groom comes to get his bride, and he stands a ways off and blows the trumpet, and she comes out to meet him.

    7. The parade goes back to the groom's house and the wedding feast begins. All of the guests in the parade gather in the Fellowship Hall, and the door is shut. This is not an open public thing.

    Compare this to prophecy in Matthew Chapter 25

    Be looking for our Bridegroom!


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