Revelation Chapter 14 Discussion

  • Rich on Revelation 14
    while believe that Jesus is coming back., i have been a Christian for some time and when it comes to the book of revelation we must try to read and study it in its proper context, because a whole lot of crazy ideas have come out i have heard that Russia was the beast, that America was the beast and so on what that old prophecy way back about Jesus coming back in 1988 and so have pretrib, midtrib, post trib you folks coming out saying the vaccine is the mark....we need to stay away from conspiracy's as much as possible because it breeds fear and confusion......and God is not the author of confusion but love and a sound mind.
  • Joe Pickett on Revelation 14
    The Babylon in revelations seems to be another location beside the middle east.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Revelation 14
    Joe Pickett,

    Peter wrote in 1 Peter 5:13, "The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.

    He says the church that is in Babylon, and that's a cryptic word for the church in Rome where he wrote the letter from, so if the letter got intercepted, the believers in Rome would not be punished.

    The United States is never referred to as Babylon.
  • Sacha - in Reply on Revelation 14
    Hi Joe Picket ,people have different ideas about Babylon in Revelation ,a lot of people ,including me ,believe its Rome ,the empire and catholicism ,from memory it sits on 7 hills ,which the city of Rome does ,im sure some one some where will have a different idea and hopefully they will share it with us all .
  • Martha on Revelation 14
    This partial verse requirement has devastated the Catholic church:

    Revelation 14:4 "These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth...."

    Priests do not have the carnal tools to be saints. Barring priest from marriage creates bondage of urges. Marriage is healthy therapy for life, and not to be forbidden.
  • Michael Wilson on Revelation 14:10
    I will always pray to you God for the sake of the human race in these perilous times, signs in the Heavens have shown me that powerful angels are very angry with the sinful ways so many have forgotten Lord God almighty and his son Jesus Christ. We must all seek the light of Gods love before darkness consumes the earth! Babylon the great shall soon fall (America) and all those who continue to laugh and ridicule Gods chosen acolytes who shall be lifted into Heaven shall say in horror Dear God What Have We Done? I forgive my enemies praying that God can forgive them too.
  • Fred Scanlan on Revelation 14
    I will cut away that which covers the sin. The heart that only wishes to deceive! The heart deceitful from its youth! How we neglect the inside and make the outside perfect! Are not these the words of our Christ? This heart that will not be faithful in little, how can it be faithful in much! Sin, is the infection that besets us. How can you keep the law? By breaking it? This one , whom you have rejected ,has become the head of the corner! "Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder." The grinding will take time, but when it is finished it will be complete! If you do not belong to him, you need not worry, for your destination is confirmed! Repent and be baptized!
  • Simon on Revelation 14
    Revelation 5

    Revelation 7

    Revelation 11

    Revelation 12

    Revelation 14

    The witnesses are special enough to be the subject of 5 Chapters, and that they're hidden from you until I come along. Just prior to the 6th trumpet (Revelation 7:1-3), the elect 144 are sealed for 3.5 years (42 months) against death. At the end of their testimony, these elect will lay dead in the street for 3.5 days, then taken up in the clouds at the seventh trumpet, second coming of Jesus Christ. Since antichrist is revealed at the start of the sixth trumpet, (2 Thessalonians 2:3) the day of the Lord, his 3.5 years expire at the start of the seventh trumpet. The elect die 3.5 days before the seventh trumpet resurrection, while antichrist's time hasn't come yet. This leaves a 3.5 day gap between the tribes being sealed, and the sixth trumpet. For prophesy to be fulfilled, the 144 must receive a full 1 days of sealed protection.

    The tribes are sealed 3.5 days prior to the sixth trumpet, day of the Lord. What will they do in that 3.5 day day window?

    (Joel 2:28-31) And it shall come to pass afterward [(Acts 2:17-21) And it shall come to pass in the last days], that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:...

    Could this Holy Ghost outpour occur during the 3.5 day "gap" prior to the day of the Lord, so that we, with the elect, should all (flesh) receive the Holy Ghost?

    We also have the promise of (Malachi 4:5) Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: [between Revelation 6:14 & Revelation 6:12?]
  • Rev robert on Revelation 14
    what is the timeline between chapters 14 to chapter 16
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Revelation 14
    Rev robert, may the Spirit grace you with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Revelation 14

    Revelation 15

    Revelation 16

    This is the work of CHRIST DEATH on the cross and the work of HIS RESURRECTION and the battle (Revelation 16:14) we are caused to fight to come to this TRUTH IN CHRIST. Being fulfilled for the last 2000 years as the Fathers draws us to CHRIST and CHRIST gives us HIS UNDERSTANDING to overcome. ASK HIM he will cause you to understand; but it HIS time frame. We have been in the day of the Lord now for 2000 years. He is harvesting HIS FRUITS as they become first ripe (firstfruits) (Revelation 14:14-20) (Matthew 20:1-16)

    When the sixth seal was opened (Revelation 6:12) Christ was crucified; prophecy of (Joel 2:31). The old testament saints and the children of the resurrection were raised with him (Isaiah 26:19),(Revelation 20:5-6) and (Matthew 27:52-53). The old testament saints were sealed with the Holy Spirit and the body of Christ (1 Timothy 6:16)(Revelation 7:3-8). There was silence in heaven for one half hour (Revelation 8:1) between the sixth and seventh seal. This is the 45 days between Christ resurrection and pentecost (Daniel 12:11-12) 1335 days minus 1290 days. No one could enter into the temple (into Christ) until the seven plagues were pour out on Christ (he took God's wrath for us). now we can be ONE IN CHRIST (Revelation 15:6-8). The four living creatures before the throne (Revelation 4:6-8) is all creation. God made a covenant with Noah that they would never be destroyed again (Genesis 9:9-12) man, cattle, beast and fowl. (Ezekiel 1:10) (Revelation 4:7). ALL CREATION will worship God. The lake of fire is how Christ cleanses and purifies us.

    Hebrews 12:29

    Luke 12:49-50

    Matthew 3:11-12

    Isaiah 9:5

    Isaiah 4:3-4

    Malachai 3:2-3

    Ezekiel 20:46-49

    1 Corinthians 3:15
  • I heard this chapter used to support the partial rapture, multiple raptures, first fruits doctrine of Robert Govett. I think it has more to do with the parable of the wheat and the tares Matthew 13:24-30.
  • Lilian Price on Revelation 14:6
    Is there a real place called hell where the unbelievers go?
  • Charles on Revelation 14
    Does the meaning of the fall of Babylon,does it also mean the United States?
  • Chris - in Reply on Revelation 14
    To explain Revelation 14:8, we need to bear in mind that the vision given to John wasn't that of Babylon of old (i.e. the city once located on the Euphrates River, or of what Isaiah spoke of in his book chapters 13 &14). That Babylon was an oppressive empire, which brought much destruction to Jerusalem, much misery & ultimately taking Judah into a long & painful captivity. That city & Empire have long gone & there is nothing to indicate that it would ever be resurrected.

    This depiction of Babylon is taken up in the New Testament & it seems to be representative of any city/empire that demonstrated the wickedness of that original city. The one that fits closely & under which John & the NT Church was subjected to, was the Roman Empire. So, it's generally understood that Rome is depicted in the Book of Revelation as 'spiritual' Babylon. Now, the Roman government was largely pagan but as Christianity was firmly rooted in Rome & with advent of the Papacy in later centuries, we see a strong reference of Babylon not only being Rome, but the papacy in particular.

    How Rome or the papacy figures in the end times can only be speculation, particularly in respect to the raising of the Anti-Christ & giving him support, but we know that the serious errors within that Church, given its idolatry, worship of Mary & the saints, the false Eucharist, salvation by works & grace & various functions within that demonstrate a departure from apostolic teaching, it wouldn't be difficult to see their part in the last days & their eventual destruction. Of the U.S. & any other country, each one stands before God for their departure from the Truth, their permission given to all manner of evils & rejection of Christ. There will be increasing turmoil in all lands that should rather agitate their reasoning to leave wickedness & run towards godliness, but according to the Word, this will push them farther away from the Truth & to their eventual destruction.
  • Adam - in Reply on Revelation 14
    I don't know about the Babylon reference, but I think God might be allowing our society to destroy itself or maybe humble itself. Most of the things people say currently are lies. People just lie and deceive each other constantly. Lies might even account for 95% of everything said and believed. It is almost like a lust for lies and the power that comes from deception. I think Romans 1:21-25 describes the cultural degradation now occurring in the USA.
  • Shirley Prado on Revelation 14
    What is the mark of the beast? what is the mark in the forehead?
  • Hugo Zyl - in Reply on Revelation 14
    Dear Sister Shirley; God bless you

    What is the beast? It is what takes you away from God. What takes you to God? The Holy Ghost - the Seal of God. What is the mark of the beast? It is unbelief. Unbelief is the unpardonable sin. You must believe to have forgiveness. You cannot be forgiven of unbelief. What is the mark in the forehead? The forehead is the seat of reasoning. Reasoning is to take us to God. The mark of unbelief is the worst thing you can have on your forehead. It is unforgivable.

    Peace & Love
  • Glenn Brooks - in Reply on Revelation 14
    Dear Shirley Prado; you have asked a very important question. In the world you will get many answer but please realize the world is full of deception. You were given a answer and I do not feel it is strong enough for the answer to your question. Your answer can be simple but would not easy to absorb and also Satan's agents are waiting to attack with deception. We are in a spiritual war for the mind. Trust no one, however I will ask you to read Jeremiah 33.3 KJV. Make it your daily prayer. Make a deal with the Lord that you will follow where he leads no matter how unpopular. Pray daily and do not give up. God will answer, he can not lie. "Study to show thy self approved, a workman rightly dividing the word of Truth." I and millions more, clearly know what will be placed in the forehead. For years I have known after using Jeremiah 33.3 for over 6 months, until God led me to the correct church to find the answer's. For years I walked [ by faith in his prophecy,s] not knowing how it would be possible to put the mark in most of the world's forehead but in the last 3 years it is clear to see it coming . I say most because there is also another mark for those who do not take the beast mark. This mark is called the Seal of God. If you seek the Lord with all the heart you will be blessed because no secret thing will the Lord withhold from those who walk upright.
  • Pat - in Reply on Revelation 14
    My dear friend the mark of the best is Sunday observance, however, individual who presently worship on Sunday, DO NOT have the mark of the beast. Individual receive the mark of the beast ONLY after Sunday observance has been set up by Law. You can read Revelation 14:9-12; 13:7; 17:6; 17:9

    The mark in the forehead is the seal of God. His 7th day Sabbath. Be blessed. Other texts: Daniel 7: 23
  • Chris - in Reply on Revelation 14
    Pat, I checked all those references you shared but couldn't find anything pertaining to the 'future mark of the beast' as associated with those who would worship on a Sunday. The Seal of God as I understand it, is what believers receive by the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 1:13), sealing them as children of God & there doesn't seem to be any reference to Sabbath-keepers. Could you enlighten me further? Thank you.
  • Pat - in Reply on Revelation 14
    Hi Chris. Ok Read Exodus 20: 8-11. in reference to the seal of God. Verse 11 bears the seal of God. It shows Christ's name, title and domain (Jesus or Lord, creator and heaven and earth). Just like a Justice of the peace. His/seal bears the name, title and district, parish or state. Revelation 14:9-11. The mark of the beast is the changing of God's Sabbath to Sunday by the beast power, Rome. It actually is the very thing they claim shows their authority is higher than that of God's word. Why does God tell us such terrible things will happen to those who receive this mark? God does not punish someone for breaking a law that he honestly knows nothing about, and never has a chance to learn about. The final test will be set up with two choices; obey God and keep His 7th Day Sabbath, be persecuted by man and be saved or obey man-made laws to force people to keep Sunday and receive the seven last plaques and be loss. Get a hold of this book National Sunday Law and read prayerfully. Stay bless and be bless.
  • Chris - in Reply on Revelation 14
    Thank you Pat, I did go over the Exodus 20 passage you gave. I had to go over it several times, & for the life of me, I can't see "Christ's Name, title and domain" in that passage. I even went to the Hebrew to verify the matter, & even that shows the Name of Yahweh even as verse 10 shows "the LORD thy God". So if there's a Seal in those verses, it isn't evident at all.

    Secondly, the Commandments were given to Israel for their explicit direction & obedience. Then what bearing have those commandments have on me, a Gentile? If you feel however, that as a Christian I must then come under the Law that I might then find grace through faith to be accepted of God, then there are ample Scriptures to refute that. But I would also direct you to Acts chapter 15 where this very matter was of great concern. Some were preaching the necessity of circumcision before receiving salvation. Paul, Barnabas, Peter & James spoke on this. The final word was that Gentiles were not required to be circumcised nor to come under the Law (verses 3 to 31), but had to be careful on those parts of the commandments that pertained to eating food offered to idols, consuming blood & fornication. But verse 24 "to be circumcised or keep the Law, we gave no such commandment".

    Thirdly, the Sabbath was to be observed by Israel as a day of rest, even as God rested from His Works - thus He hallowed it (made it a holy day, sanctified, set it apart). It was just a day of rest & given for possibly the following reasons: for Israel to trust Him to provide for that day; to rest the body from a working week of six days; to focus on the Lord & not be overcome with work & life's distractions. Indeed, both the Decalogue (including Sabbath) & circumcision marked out Israel as God's peculiar people, which no other nation received.

    Fourthly, to take this 4th Commandment & then give it a special status above the other nine, even to implying it as the seal of God rather than from the Holy Spirit, is disturbing. GBU.
  • Pat - in Reply on Revelation 14
    Hi Chris Sabbath and marriage was instituted from creation and these institution are targeted by the devil in these last days. We are to adhere to Gods commandment but the Fourth which is His Sabbath bears his seal. Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD (name) made (creator) heaven and earth (domain) the sea and all that in them. Can't remember the text now but it says from one Sabbath to another shall ALL flesh come before to worship. Glen has pointed you to a youtube video and I also told you to read the book National Sunday Law a very thin book. After doing these let me know your understanding. Be bless.
  • Chris - in Reply on Revelation 14
    Hello Pat. I put in that book title on the Web to learn a little more about it & I notice that it is an independent 7th Day Adventist publication. I'm sorry that I don't delve into such materiel as after reading those books, I find that what is written is often against the Truth in Scripture. If you could respond to my comments, if you wish, I would find that much more worthwhile & engaging & in the spirit of this website. Thank you & blessings.
  • Pat - in Reply on Revelation 14
    OK. Revelation 13 you can read the entire chapter. Verses 15 - 17 gives the 7 components for the mark of the beast. Verse 15. 1.the image is form this is apostate protestant America. 2. the image speak - American speaks through its legislative law, congress and supreme court. 3. the people are call by force nor choice 4.the people are force to worship 5. the will be killed/persecuted 6. vs 16 cause all to received a mark in their right hand or forehead. force to at act and believe a certain way vs 17 no buying no selling. Only two of the above are left to be enforce. force to worship and be killed/persecuted. Also read revelation 14:9-11 and chapter 18:1-3. Be bless
  • Pat - in Reply on Revelation 14
    hi friend than you. I have discuss the 1o commandments previously because it is the controversy. The antichrist has issues with. But we ought to obey God rather than ma
  • Simon - in Reply on Revelation 14

    The US = Mystery Babylon: No other country is close to Sodom and Gomorrah than America.

    The Beast = Russia: No other country fits the description like Russia. The characteristics of the beast shouts Russia:

    1) "More stout than his fellows". Russia has 11 time zones (Daniel 7:20).

    2) He is the 8th and is of the 7. Russia is, was the 8th G8 member and is of the G7 (Revelation 17:20).

    3) In 1991 the USSR suffered a "deadly wound", which has been healed into the Russian Federation. The people will marvel at Russia (Revelation 13:3).

    4) Even though God has always held back Esau (Russia), he will now bring Esau forth with his northern army to destroy Jacob (US/NATO/Israel) (Ezekiel 38:4).

    5) Obadiah states Esau (Russia) annihilated Jacob (US/Israel) then engaged in destruction beyond Babylon with an "evil thought" (Ezekiel 38:10), by taking 3 allies from his own camp.

    6) Esau pounds Jacob so badly that the earth is knocked off its axis and wobbles back and forth like a drunkard (Isaiah 24:20).

    7) The last time Esau and Jacob met up was on the trail, Genesis 33. Jacob was afraid Esau would kill him for stealing his birthright, but instead they exchanged gifts and parted ways.

    8) Esau will make Jacob lean this time around (Isaiah 24:1-16).
  • Chris - in Reply on Revelation 14
    Thank you Pat. I did read through all the passages you suggested. I see that you've taken this discussion to the 'beast', the Antichrist, & left off the Ten Commandments.

    I've considered your analysis of the Scriptures you gave but I remain mystified as to how you have placed America in there. If one wanted to place a country as the Antichrist, could there not be many other countries that would fit the bill? What do you see in America that is different from the rest (e.g. the U.K., Canada, Germany, France, Italy, Australia, etc.)? Don't these other countries also have apostasy, laws/courts/parliaments, compulsion to follow prescribed laws, etc.? As far as being forced to worship/recant their faith or be killed, this is already going on in some countries & some religions & fortunately not in America (yet), but no evidence of the beast has surfaced anywhere that I can see. The spirit of Antichrist might be at work all over the world by the workings of Satan, but his revelation has not happened yet.

    So, I'm wondering how you have determined this, when the Scriptures don't mention a country, rather, likely a person who sets himself up as God in the temple at Jerusalem demanding worship (2 Thessalonians 2:3,4). And yes, his power & influence would no doubt spread throughout the world. But to place America as the beast, would need a high degree of speculation & would necessarily have to include the possibilities of other nations that behave similarly.
  • Glenn Brooks - in Reply on Revelation 14
    Hello Chris, I can point you in different directions and they all lead to a world wide Sunday law. However I will make it simple and if this video does not make you think . What would? Try watching on YouTube...Charlie's d brooks the mark of the beast.....1 hr 10 min of your time with lots of bible references. The first 15 minutes it may not seem to be going anywhere but hang in there. Charles is no relationship to me.

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