Revelation Chapter 14 Discussion Page 8

REV 14-10...Here again like in chapter 12, in the 12 verse of chp 14: Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the Commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. The only day given to be a day of rest and is also a Commandment is the Saturday 7th day, their is no other day, you can search the Bible from cover to cover, and just because the disciples gathered on the 1st day and broke bread ate dinner this did not change GOD"S Holy Sabbath. God is Great, He 's patient, a Loving God, Longsuffering towards us, if He wasn 't most of the World 's population would have already been evaporated. You may think this is so much talk on my part, but it will prove to be the very most important step any human can make, other than accepting God 's SON as your Savior. You need to THINK on this and don 't take much time, fore we do not know what the next minute holds. AMEN!!

RNM they don 't only not teach that but they don 't teach the word of God in churches and that is why people need to read the word on their own and not trust any man with their souls because many will fail from listening to men in their churches claiming to be Christians.

People have a tendency to read the word of God with blinders on, reading and seeing, and ultimately believing what they want, or told to, only because they have been partially conditioned by there church leaders, and through the evolution of deception, so mentioning the Holy Commandments is not really at the top of the list of hot topics talked about in the churches today, especially the fourth commandment the 7th day Sabbath, but let 's read this verse in Rev chp 14 verse 12 Here is the patience of the saints, here are they that keep the Commandments of GOD, and the faith of Jesus. This whole chapter is viewing the very end of this endtime scenario and yet GOD 'S PEOPLE are still keeping the COMMANDMENTS, all TEN INCLUDING THE 4TH WHICH IS THE SEAL OF GOD, He that has and ear let him hear, investigate this yourself, because it is extremely important to all mankind. AMEN!!

What I meant to say at the end of that last posted note was them that don 't wait for the true Christ will be burned because they were worshipping a fake instead of Christ. Wait for the true Christ and on that Rock you won 't feel pain. Don 't follow any rapture doctrine because it leads many to chasing antichrist.

Part 2 of 2 The statement made to Nicodemus was not confusing at all. Nicodemus had already posed the thought about a man going back into his mother s womb to be born again that way. Jesus clarified what he meant in John 3 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit . If I can say it like this, Jesus was saying, no Nicodemus I am not talking about a natural birth of flesh, but a spiritual birth through the Holy Ghost which is the power of God.

Part 1 of 2 Hello RNM My agenda is the same as the Apostles to inform everyone that they need to be saved according to Acts 2 38. 2 Corinthians 5 17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature old things are passed away behold, all things are become new . In order to be in Christ and become a new creature a person has to be born of water and spirit. The only way to be born of water and spirit is that they have to follow Acts 2 38.

The saints that were chosen before the foundation were not even in the flesh at that time. They were chosen by God because they stood with Him against Satan and proved themselves and will do it at the end of this earth age. They will be delivered up and the Holy Spirit will speak through them so you will want to listen to them and the two witnesses. Then the 2 witnesses are killed and 3 days later the 7th trump sounds and then you will feel a fire mixed with hail stones if you waited for the true Rock.

You evidently got me mixed up with someone who is ignorant of the word of GOD. But here again, this time you say, the only way to be in Christ you have to be born again through water and spirit, when that 's not what in John say 's at all, He said Except a man be born OF WATER and of the Spirit, That is a huge difference literally, the scripture can ONLY be spiritually discerned, you can 't change words or rearrange them to suit your own agenda. The total submersion in water, Baptism, is definitely part of a new converts open show of his faith in GOD 's word, his Obedience, and his willingness to show that he puts the old man to an open death in the submersion of a watery grave, and his rise up out of the grave to show a resurrected new man in Christ. The LORD 's statement to Nicodemus, was a confusing statement not only to him but to countless people leading up to even today, But what the Messiah was doing when he made that comment was showing his divine intelligence to Nicodemus, and to us today. There was something in that statement that only a GOD would know? But we are, definitely not born of the water, in the water Baptism. AMEN!

Hello RNM The church in Ephesians was already saved and called saints of God. We can deduce that they had followed Acts 2 38 because Paul addressed them as saints. In order to be a true saint and be called of God you have to put on his name, by following Acts 2 38. We are sealed by way of circumcision of the heart and filled with the Holy Ghost. If you read verse 24 "And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness ". 2 Corinthians 5 17 "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature old things are passed away behold, all things are become new. The only way to be in Christ you have to be born again through water and spirit.

Hello RNM Testing the Spirits of Prophets 1 John 4 1 thru 3 Beloved believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come and even now already is it in the world. What these scripture is saying is that do the prophet believe that Jesus Christ is God manifested in the flesh. I believe that Jesus Christ is God manifested in the flesh, because the scriptures say so and because I am filled with the Holy Ghost., 1 Timothy 3 16.

And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Matt 24 11 And do not follow after the traditions of man, but follow GOD and his commandments including the 4th which is the 7th day Sabbath of GOD. As James 2 10 clearly states For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. Don 't let your worship be done in vain. I will warn you though, satan does not want you to find out the Truth, Rev 12 9 says he deceiveth the whole World. AMEN

Eph 4 30 And grieve not the Holy Spirit of GOD whereby ye are sealed unto the day of Redemption. AMEN!

Hello Suresh Joe Arthur The 144,000 in Chapter 7 is exactly the same as in Chapter 14. The scripture in Revelation 7 3 is repeated in Revelation 14 1. The saints of God now under the Grace Age we do not have a seal in our foreheads to identify us as his people. We are circumcised of the heart with the power and being filled with the Holy Ghost, Romans 2 29.

The 144 '000 of Chapter 7 is not the 144 '000 in Chapter 14.Many beautiful things are said about these consecrated servants of the new testament who are twice redeemed,vigirns,no guile fault,Father 's Son 's name written on foreheads and follows the Lamb while they were on earth.Praise The Lord for His Grace on them.

Hello Word In reference to 1 Thessalonians 5 9 and 10. Verse 9 is letting the reader know that the children of God verse 10 will not go through the wrath which is the tribulation . It states in verse 10 whether we are wake or sleep we should live together with him. This scripture backs up what Paul stated in 1 Thessalonians 4 12 thru 18. Once again regardless of whether or not you believe the rapture or the catching away will happen. The unbelievers will not stop the word of God from being fulfilled.

Hello Insight777 and Word The 144,000 are men and women who did not take the mark of the beast. These are individuals taken out of every tribe of Israel not the Gentile nations. If you go to Revelation 7 4 thru 8 you will find that each tribe of Israel 12,000 was taken out of them this adds up to the 144,000. These individuals were sealed of God in their foreheads by the angels. All of this is after the rapture. There is no one walking around now with the seal of God in the foreheads, Revelation 7 3. Those who have followed Acts 2 38 are circumcised in their heart. We are waiting for the rapture. We will not go through the wrath that is to come, 1 Thessalonians 1 10.

Insight 777 how the Evangelist came to the conclusion that 1 Thessalonians 5 vs 9 and 10 has in any part of keeping a section of the children of God out of the tribulation to rapture someplace? NOT! Those verses are for the watchmen..saints.. elect to always be on guard and sober. Chapter 5 is Speaking of keeping the gospel armor on to be prepared for battle against anti Christ because God did not appoint them to wrath but to obtain salvation with Christ. They have already been chosen as spoken of in Ephesians chapter one and predestine and chosen before the foundation of this earth age of salvation. You can say the saints have already been judged and their job is to stand against Satan at the end of this earth age. Preachers pull verses and twist the word watch out.

Hello Insight777 The rapture will take place before the 144,000 is gathered. See those who have put on the name of Jesus Christ by following Acts 2 38 will not go through the tribulation, 1 Thessalonians 5 9 and 10.

Hello Insight777 The reason why the prophets knew what was going to happen in the future is because God gave them inspiration and foresight to write what was going to happen. 2 Timothy 3 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

How did the ancient prophets know what would happen in the future? I think the connection is with the 144,000. The harps and song are extremely advanced technology given only to the 144,000. God gave them the ability to break the time barrier and to travel into the past to warn mankind of the future doom world war 3 will bring to the earth. Jesus was mankinds second chance to live in peace, to settle arguments over a table and not on a battlefield. Jesus was sent by God to teach all to LOVE everyone, have empathy for the enemy and help them to become loving righteous men. The death of war is the only way to peace. In the past war only destroyed the people and animals in the path of war, in the future war will destroy the earth itself and make the air unbreathable and the food uneatable and the water undrinkable. Man as a specie will not survive without the intervention, rapture at the last moment, of the followers of Jesus. The 144,000 will assist in this procedure.

verse 4..the meaning of not being defiled with women is these men do not think that women are objects that defile. Women do not cause impurity in men. It is not a womans fault if a man sins and she is equal to man not an inferior being. These men are virgins, meaning pure, righteous men that take responsibility for their own actions and thoughts without ever placing blame on a woman. They are honorable men, respectful of women and they love God.

Hello Rcmckinnon One more comment. You have to be sent by God in order to perform in those offices. You have to have followed Acts 2 38 in order to fulfill the call. How can a person preach except he be sent? Romans 10 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Hello Rcmckinnon In addition to my comment we are to teach the word of God. 2 Timothy 3 16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness God set some in the church Ephesians 4 11 12 "And he gave some, apostles and some, prophets and some, evangelists and some, pastors and teachers For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ

Hello Rcmckinnon 2 Timothy 4 2 Preach the word be instant in season, out of season reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine . Jesus Christ spoke in parables informing us that we are to go into the highways and hedges bidding people to come to the marriage to come into his house. Matthew 22 9 and Luke 14 23. We are to preach that the kingdom of heaven is at hand, Matthew 10 7. We are to preach that men should repent, Mark 6 12. We are to preach the gospel, Mark 16 15. We are to preach in the regions beyond ours, 2 Corinthians 10 16. In the end, we are to following the Apostles Doctrine. They are our example of what to do teaching people about the Holy Ghost and the correct water baptism and how to continue to live. We are to follow Acts 2 38 to the fullest. Jesus said it, Peter clarified it on the day of Pentecost, and the Apostle s carried out the message. We are to do the same. This is the salvation plan.

What is the work God wants us to do? This is mentioned many times in different verses in the Bible. Please explain. Thank you

Hello Robert When you read Acts 2 39 it states that "For the promise is unto you this means the Jews , and to your children this means their children , and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call this means everybody else who is not Jew this promise is for them to if they follow Acts 2 38 . Isaiah prophesied about the Holy Ghost, Isaiah 28 11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. When you look at Acts 2 6 thru 11 you will see a word called Proselytes. If I can say it like this, these are people who were not Jewish who were either bought by Jews as slaves or converted into Judaism through faith, Acts 13 42 43. A Proselyte Jew, which was Gentiles, had to be circumcised of the ** just like the Jewish men, Exodus 12 48. Remember person who is not born naturally into the Jewish people are considered Gentiles. Then you have the Gentiles in Cornelius house that was saved, just like the Jews on the day of Pentecost. Please read Acts Chapter 10.

Romans 10 9 10 . We must come to the Lord with a repentent heart and believe and trust Him for our salvation. Acts 2 38 has nothing to do with a christians salvation in the church age. It was a Jewish festival and an admonition to the Jews, because they had killed their Messiah. It happened only one time in history. Their was not a christian present at this festival. These 3000 Jews where the only ones EVER saved this way. We receive the Holy Ghost when we are saved. Our gospel is in 1Cor.1 4 the gospel of grace. Also works has nothing to do with our salvation. We do not work to be saved,we work for the Lord because we are saved. The passage in James 2 is addressing Tribulation Jews that must believe in Jesus plus works to be saved. Our faith alone in Christ is sufficient for our salvation we need no works. The Jews will in the Trib.period. Remember 2Tim.2 15 "Rightly dividing the word of truth ". James is a prophesy book about Jacobs trouble tribulation period of the Jews. James 1 "To the twelve tribes " we are not one of the twelve tribes.

Hello Schu A person needs to do more than just believe in their heart that Jesus Christ is their personal savior. See even the devils believe and tremble, James 2 19 Thou believest that there is one God thou doest well the devils also believe, and tremble . Faith without works is dead, James 2 verses 17, 20, 26. A person can believe and have faith but if they do not follow up with the work then the scripture states that their faith is dead. A person has to follow Acts 2 38 in order to be saved. If a person does not then when the rapture takes place that person will not go up. If I can sum it up like this, the Holy Ghost is the power that everyone needs to be transformed and take flight.

William All you need is to believe all in your heart that Jesus is your PERSONAL SAVIOR. Anyone who accepts HIM, no matter what that person has done in the past, will be with him in paradise. Think of the two criminals that hung with Jesus, What did Jesus say to the one that believed in Him?

I would like to have seen some cross references. Although the verse references the dead in Christ I would like to encourage the believer that if their children do not walk with the Lord that by their good works their children will see the path they need to take the path of faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Amen!