Revelation Chapter 13 Discussion Page 10



 
  • Fred Scanlan - In Reply on Revelation 13:15 - 3 years ago
    Amen and Amen. The church today is denying that Christ was born that he died and rose again. They deny that he is the son of the most high god ."Son of the most high God" These the words from Satan himself! Your'e pronouncing is a matter of fact. God bless you!
  • Samuel Garcia - In Reply on Revelation 13:15 - 3 years ago
    Hello Mr. Franklin,

    Thank you for your response to my post. I don't just believe that Jesus laid down his life, I KNOW that he did. He did that for all of His creation, so whether you're black, white, Jew, Gentile rich or poor, on and on, the point I'm making is Jesus Christ shed his blood, died, was buried and rose from the dead according to the scripture for whosoever will. John 3:16. I identify with that as I am a whosoever.

    Yes, it is clear that jesus Christ was hebrew and as bible believing Christians we have a rich heritage from that lineage, one for example is the passover. The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world who shed his blood for a lowly sinner as I. It is only by His Grace that I am saved and a child of the King! Jesus is all in all, The Savior, Prophet, Priest and King, Lord of all eternity, and that at the NAME of Jesus EVERY tongue will confess and EVERY knee will bow that He is Lord to the Glory of the Father. There is no other name given under heaven whereby we must be saved! Acts 4:12.

    What will doing your little exercise prove to you? For me this would just be an exercise in futility, semantic word games with my soul. No thanks I don't need to prove anything.

    I leave you with this. If you would simply put your faith and trust in Jesus and accept what he has done for you,, admit that you cannot save yourself, He will save you. You can have a relationship with Almighty Jehovah and live with Him in the world to come. It is yor choice to make. No one can make it for you.

    Good day Sir,
  • Adam - In Reply on Revelation 13 - 3 years ago
    Hi Ronnie,

    I noticed the same logical fallacy is used rationalize your view of Jesus being the wrong name despite the fallacy already being exposed. Did you read what I wrote? If so, I wonder what part of it you don't understand or disagree with?
  • Ronnie Franklin - In Reply on Revelation 13 - 3 years ago
    And the Jesus and the letter "J" is only 400 years old. As the saying is true Satan deceiveth the whole world.

    Revelation 9:20

    And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

    Malachi 3:16

    Then they that feared the Lord spake often one to another: and the Lord hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the Lord, and that thought upon his name.

    Jeremiah 16:19 King James Version (KJV)

    19 O Lord, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.
  • Ronnie Franklin - In Reply on Revelation 13 - 3 years ago
    That's the problem with Gentile Christianity you take a Hebrew book that was not even written about you and you twisted. If the Messiah's name was written in three different languages on the stake not cross which is a graven image that most professing Christians wear around their neck or have tattooed on your body. If the name lesus was written why was it not kept in the King James or any other Bible? Messiah was Jewish Hebrew not American Gentile.
  • Ronnie Franklin - In Reply on Revelation 13 - 3 years ago
    The only question I have for you Mr. Randy is this when Paul was met by the Messiah on the road to Damascus and he spoke to him in the Hebrew tongue and told him his name what name did the messiah say? Jesus or Yahshua?
  • Ronnie Franklin - In Reply on Revelation 13:15 - 3 years ago
    And you Mr. Samuel probably believe that Yahshua laid down his life for you right?

    Go through your Bible started and Deuteronomy 28 isolate the word flock and the word lost sheep and follow it all the way to the New Testament, then tell me who the lost sheep is and if you are apart of the lost sheep.
  • Samuel Garcia - In Reply on Revelation 13:15 - 3 years ago
    To Frank G.

    I am prayer partner to The Belasco Family (Missionary to Spain). They are one of over 100 missionaries we support prayerfully and financially all around the world through our missions minded local church. The great commision is still in the book! I believe that by T.V. internet, tracts, the gospel of the good news of Jesus who is the only one that can save a man's soul has been spread around the world.

    Consider, if you already are not involved in the battle for the truth of the scripture. satan has waged war right from the start on God and his Word. The KJV has stood the test of time and for now over 400 years is the choice of english speaking people to use, memorize and proclaim he Truth of God and His Christ!

    Lord bless you and thank you for your reply! To God's Glory Amen to the soon return of Jesus! Look up for your redemption draweth nigh!
  • Frank Garcia - In Reply on Revelation 13:15 - 3 years ago
    Sent the Good news to the ends of the earth as Christians we have great power from Jesus to change things we have the faith the salvation, the Holy spirit, our works, so march onward in Christ and in love God bless.
  • Samuel Garcia - In Reply on Revelation 13:15 - 3 years ago
    If you believe that Jesus Christ (Or whatever you call him) is not the Messiah, Then you my friend are set up to accept the false Messiah, Satan. Most Jews rejected Him the first time he came. So they will believe the lie the second time he comes in his glory. tHEY WILL BELIEVE THE FALSE MESSIAH SATAN and make a covenant with him which he will break in the middle of the 7 year period of time spoken of in Daniel. Jehovah's dealing with Isreal in this time of trouble will come to an end in the last half of the seven years.
  • Randy - In Reply on Revelation 13 - 3 years ago
    The only name you can be saved by is Jesus

    John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    John 20: 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

    ACTS 4: 10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

    Philippians 2: 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
  • Randy - In Reply on Revelation 13 - 3 years ago
    PLUS Israel is the people of GOD governed by the Shepherd of Bethlehem ( Matt 2:6 and Micah 5:2).. that's Jesus Christ... not anyone else". Also, there's no W in Hebrew so YHVH whereas the ancient Hebrew Masoretes recorded the name as "YeHowah" or "YeHovah" nearly 7000 times throughout the Hebrew BIble. The form "Yahweh" is a more recent "guess" at the pronunciation, found in The Corruped Catholic Douay Bible. . Scholars have found the Ya, Yah, Yahu names in Babylonian tablets from around 2500BC. Abraham was not born until 1800BC. Israel as a nation did not exist until 1400BC when they came out of Egypt And the Ya, Yah, Yahu name existed before they were even in the world. In 2500BC there was no Greek empire or nation. In 2500BC there was no Persian empire or nation. This leaves us with the Hittite and Egyptian as the only existing kingdoms or nations of people. And, in both the Hittite and Egyptian kingdoms there is a ya, yah, god. The Yah god in Egypt is the moon god.
  • Randy - In Reply on Revelation 13 - 3 years ago
    The Hebrew language was a dead language from about 100bc till the 1850's. This new Hebrew language is in no wise like the old language of the Torah. It is a completely different language. Back in Jesus's time everyone understood Greek, and an assortment of other languages, but everyone understood Greek because Greece was the super power before the Romans took over. The Romans spoke Latin and Greek. Any ways that's why all of the new testament was written in Greek. Also, the old testament (Torah) was translated into Greek way before Jesus came. And every synagogue in the known world had a copy of the Torah in Greek in their synagogue. is the Greek word for iesus which became Jesus later in our english. Only the old testament was written in Hebrew. Do research before you fall into the Lies of the new Hebrew movement Heresy. The name "yeshua" was unknown to any Christian for the 1st 1200 years of Christianity... Jesus, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Paul, Jude and James all called Jesus "Iesuos" (Greek) NOT yeshua in the new Hebrew. In the Heretical book of the Talmad they call Jesus yeshua as an insult and says he's is boiling in eternal excrement according to them. Hebrew was UNKNOWN to any scriptures prior to 1200AD when the very scribes Jesus warned us about introduced this backward written language.. look it up, there were ONLY 2 heretics in the history of Christianity that even pretended to know Hebrew (Origen and Jerome). If God wanted us to called him Yeshua, He would have told someone other than 13th century AD Jews who use the word "yeshua" as a derogatory term in their Talmud.
  • Jamilgoodnight - In Reply on Revelation 13 - 3 years ago
    My roommate is a great woman,but she is caught in the hands of the demons from he'll. We have to pray for her now! Before it's to late,because the man,she loves is a demon from hell. We must hurry,before it's too late for her soul.
  • Matthew 26 - In Reply on Revelation 13 - 3 years ago
    All the deceased BORN AGAIN believers in Christ Jesus; and then all the living BORN AGAIN believers, will be caught up in the clouds to Jesus to be transformed into our eternal bodies.

    This all takes place in the clouds, as it shows His feet do not touch the earth at that time.

    We attend the Wedding Feast of the Bridegroom and later the Bema Seat Judgement of believers, to receive crowns for what we did or, did not do on earth. It will be a time of joy, and for some, sorrow.

    The Great White Throne Judgment doesn't occur till after 1000 years, when the wicked dead will be judged.

    Mishael
  • Jesse - In Reply on Revelation 13 - 3 years ago
    Alice,

    The true church is made up of all believers who have been born of God's Spirit. The true church is not an organization or denomination, whether it be Protestant or Catholic. There is only one true church and it is called the body of Christ. All who have surrendered their lives to Jesus Christ and been born of His Spirit belong to the true church, His body, and we are the ones who He will come for and He will remove us before He pours out His wrath on an unbelieving world. If you've received Christ, you are part of the true church, His body!
  • Brian D. - In Reply on Revelation 13 - 3 years ago
    The True Church is the Universal Church which consists of all people who have been begotten by God's Holy Spirit throughout the world regardless of race, ethnic origins, nationality, or creed.
  • Carleton - In Reply on Revelation 13 - 3 years ago
    The True Church continues it's commission, without fear, to teach and be a light and example that the Gospel message is true. The gates of hell will not prevail against her. Stay in the Body, be faithful until the end.

    :)
  • Alice Smiley - In Reply on Revelation 13 - 3 years ago
    Who is the True Church that will be Raptured before the Tribulation?
  • Adam - In Reply on Revelation 13:15 - 3 years ago
    Hello, I think I just answered that. Yahshua isn't English, just like if your name was John it would not be that in other languages, but Juan in Spanish, etc. Why don't we all just agree on one language, one pronunciation, and one spelling of everything that way we'd all be the same- maybe that is the real grievance. Languages were created and confused at the Tower of Babel. You can call Jesus by his name in other languages, but His name is translated to Jesus in English. Jesus already did have a name in English before J and it was Iesus. That was correct at the time when English was closer to Latin. Link There's a good etymology if you search for 'Jesus 8880'
  • Ronnie Franklin - In Reply on Revelation 13:15 - 3 years ago
    If Jesus was translated into English then why not just use the name Yahshua? After all it was The writings were taken from Hebrew scrolls and translated into English all the letters in the name Yahshua existed in the English alphabet before the letter J

    Not trying to debate because the Bible is of no private interpretation the Scriptures interprets It's self precept upon precept.
  • Adam - In Reply on Revelation 13:15 - 3 years ago
    Hello,

    I'm not sure why you bring up the letter J, but I know some people draw false conclusions about it and try to make it mean something else. So, I'll just state for the record that the English language didn't have the letter J in it previously. Language actually changes over time. You can see examples by reading the 1611 KJV and read the actual English which didn't have J. Secondly, languages are different. The USA for example is a different word depending on the language you're speaking. If someone says the name in their own language, it doesn't mean they're lying, but just saying it correctly in their language. Jesus is the translation into English. Sure, you can find other correct names in other langauges and if someone wants to read the original Greek, that's great. But English is the language of the KJV Bible and Jesus is correctly translated. God bless.
  • Ronnie on Revelation 13:15 - 3 years ago
    The name Jesus: let's go back to when the Messiah was Born, He was to be called Yahsuha this is true because He was Hebrew understand the time we are taking about, the letter "J" did not exist during that time He was a Jew. He came seeking the lost sheep of the house of Israel the 12 lost scattered tribes which is told to us through out the Old Testament. OK Yahsuha Preached from the Old Testament and so did the Apostles you must understand the people the Audience of that time was Hebrew Jews, Samaritans Jews, Latin and Greek speaking people and last but least the Romans, pagan worshipers with their many gods. when Yahsuha was Crucifiy on the stake not the cross Pontius Pilate wrote on the inscription YAHSUHA OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS also the name in Latin and Greek. why Latin and Greek? the Latin and Greek writing didn't spell Yahsuha it spelled lesous and lesus pagan names just as Daniel was given a pagan name while in Babylon captivity. The Most High show us in Scriptures what Satin is doing because he is a deceiver, the father of lies, an angel of light. So Satin takes the name lesus not the Messiah's Birth given name by the Most High GOD because Satin now sees a way that he can be worshiped and become like the Most High, it's what he has wanted all along. So now we have an image that has been set up through the women church called Rome and satin took the name lesus and add the letter "J" 500 hundred years ago and said this will be the worlds savior Jesus with the graven image of the cross which the Most High Commanded us not to make. satin wanted to hide the name that is above all names by which man must be saved. the Bible say's he decieveth the whole world and few their be that find the truth. it's about THE NAME. YAHSUHA means SALVATION Jesus doesn't. the mark of the beast is in your mind to believe a lie that Jesus is the Messiah the Son of GOD and you worship this image of the cross. some people will just not see John told us his name.
  • J C CREWS on Revelation 13 - 3 years ago
    Your last remarks:Pilate did release,Jesus Chaptr 13



    Answer----------He released Jesus only after he died
  • Robert - In Reply on Revelation 13 - 3 years ago
    I believe in Covid 19 (which is largely fake), we are in the preparation phase for the tribulation judgments. Of course, this can't be the tribulation since the church is still on earth and not yet raptured, but they are preparing with this pestilence, economic collapse, famine, etc. It's most imperative that all repent and believe in Jesus Christ.
  • Lemont Tate on Revelation 13 - 3 years ago
    Upon reading this, and reading some of the comments, how is it concluded that this chapter is talking about a future event or events that have not occurred yet? Show me in this chapter (precepts) or the one before or after if must, that when we get to this chapter, it references future events?
  • Mishael on Pre-Born Children on Revelation 13 - 3 years ago
    Psalms Chapter 139:14-17

    I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

    My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

    Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy BOOK all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

    How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them!

    Comment: God records in a Book: even child that hasn't been conceived yet!

    There isn't anything happening in our lives that isn't openly seen. Even the children that didn't live because of various reasons.

    God receives them all.

    It has been said that children who are innocent and don't know what it is to lie & be deceptive (before age of accountability) will be taken to heaven upon death: all those who died in the womb; those who died as young children; and those who are alive when we are all CAUGHT UP in the clouds to meet Jesus. I don't like to say rapture because it starts fights.

    Anyway! Praise God. I'd like to read that book, but it's probably very precious to the Lord.

    Parents take your older children to Sunday school. Like us, they must be born again... before The Last Day.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Revelation 13 - 3 years ago
    Yes, Bob, that is correct. Jesus died for you. He died also for me. Guess who else He died for? He died for those Jews that Paul mentions in 1 Thess. Chapter 2. I am not going to place any blame on the Jews. You seem as though you have a strong dislike for the Jews for killing Jesus. This is just something I sense, but I could be wrong. It was no surprise to Jesus that He was going to die on the cross. It was no surprise to Him that the Jews would do what they did.

    In all honesty, even though He died on the cross, I don't think anyone could have killed Him. Jesus gave Himself freely to the cross for which He came for. They couldn't have taken Him no matter how many people with clubs and swords came to do it. We see that in scripture when the huge crowd armed with swords and clubs came to take Him, and with just His voice, Jesus blew them all over, twice!

    My whole point is that Jesus came here for a reason. He came to die our death because of your sin, my sin, and the sins of the entire world, including the Jews! So to try and place the blame solely on the Jews for killing Him, I can't do that when I am just as guilty of sin, and just as guilty of His death as they were. That's why I say I also killed Him. Maybe you won't agree with me when I say this, but I also died with Him!

    Pilate did release Jesus. He just released the wrong Jesus!
  • Marie on Revelation 13:16 - 3 years ago
    New World Order Coming Soon Just Saw Shakingmyheadproductions video,it said there are satanists who want too march for a one world government. Too Kick Off The New World Order.Its just so evil,how they know and want too harm ther people,bring others too hell.its a cruel world.Plus Celebrities taking part in global citizen
  • Bob Hilt - In Reply on Revelation 13 - 3 years ago
    No Jesse I did not kill the Lord, he died for me, but I did not kill him.

    Paul tells us who killed Jesus.

    Paul in 1 Thessalonians 2:14, 16 - For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, EVEN AS THEY HAVE OF THE JEWS: WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and THEY PLEASE NOT GOD, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: FOR THE WRATH IS COME UPON THEM TO THE UTTERMOST.

    Pilate tried to release Jesus, but the priests of the temple threatened Pilate with treason before Rome if he released Jesus.


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