Psalms Chapter 83 Discussion



 
  • GiGi - In Reply on Psalms 83 - 1 year ago
    Agreed David,

    Col. 3:11-12

    "Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bon nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

    Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercy, kindness, humbleness of mid, meekness, longsuffering;"

    This verse does make it plain who are the elect of God-those who are in Christ by faith, whether OT, NT, Jew or Gentle.
  • David0920 - In Reply on Psalms 83 - 1 year ago
    The Elect are ALL those whom God chose from before the foundation of the world to save and for whose sins Christ has paid in full; not only those from National Israel.

    I do not understand how anyone can read the entire Bible and conclude that the Elect are only those of National Israel.
  • David0920 - In Reply on Psalms 83 - 1 year ago
    Ruby,

    If you do a word study in the Bible, regarding the fig tree, you will find that the fig tree is a figure of national Israel.

    In Matthew 24 the fig tree being in leaf is a reference to the nation of Israel, once again, becoming a sovereign nation among the nations of the world. But notice it is the fig tree in "leaf". Not the fig tree bearing "fruit". And since 1948 until the end of the church age, which I believe can be shown to be 1988, the nation of Israel is bearing no fruit. They do not recognize Christ as their Messiah. And never will.

    Matthew 24 is all about the Great tribulation. Which is the time in which I believe we are living. And during this time, neither not the nation of Israel, nor the churches are bringing the true gospel. In fact, God's judgment is upon both national Israel, and the churches.

    However, God is still saving his elect as the gospel goes forth from individual believers or ministries not associated with a church. And this will continue until Christ returns at the time of the resurrection and the rapture, and the beginning of the day of judgment.

    I understand that this is a difficult pill to swallow for those that are in the churches today. But God's commandment in these days is to flee the churches, because the abomination of desolation is standing in what was the holy place, that is the churches.
  • Ruby Lea Read - In Reply on Psalms 83 - 1 year ago
    David:

    Matthew 24, The fig tree in leaf: is speaking of the NEW ISRAEL, the born again, Christ is the TREE, we are the leaves, NOT national Israel.

    PROPHECY:

    Isaiah 6:13 But ye in it (the land) shall be a TENTH (the tithe to God, the FIRSTBORNE of the flock), and it (the Priest and Judges of the earth) SHALL RETURN, and shall be eaten; as a teil tree, and as an oak, whose substance is IN THEM (Christ IN YOU), when they cast their leaves: so the HOLY SEED (the word of God, Christ IN YOU) shall be the substance thereof.

    Revelation 22:2 And in the midst of the street of it (new Jerusalem), and on either side of the river (of LIFE: Christ), was there the tree of LIFE (Christ), which bear twelve manner of fruit (new Israel), and yielded her fruit every month (continual rebirth into new Israel): and the LEAVES were for the HEALING OF THE NATIONS.

    Isaiah 59:21 And this is my covenant with them (the firstborne), saith the Lord, MY SPIRIT (the SEED) that is poured out on THEE (Christ, the firstborne SEED, of many SEED), and my words which I PUT in your mouth, shall not depart out of your mouth, nor out of the mouth of THY SEED, or out of the mouth of THY SEED'S SEED, from henceforth and evermore.

    The fruit of the TREE (CHRIST) is the children of Christ; and are HIS IMAGE, the NEW Israel.

    God Bless YOU!
  • David0920 - In Reply on Psalms 83 - 1 year ago
    Also, the Bible is not concerned with political nations of our day, with the possible exception of National Israel which did become a nation again in 1948 and is the "fig tree in leaf" of Matt 24. God uses various nations spoken of in the Bible as types and figures of the kingdom of God, the kingdom of Satan, the Churches and Congregations, and also True Believers, and those that are not true believers, depending on the context.

    Again, God is speaking in parables using specific words and phrases to teach some aspect of the Gospel. Exe 38 is an exceptionally difficult passage and we need to compare scripture with scripture, praying to God for understanding. Also recognizing that there are truths that God is only reveling in our day that have been in the Bible all along but have been sealed up until we approach the end. (read Daniel). We should not be using political activity of our day as a basis to interpret scripture.

    I do not profess to fully understand Eze 38. But I'm quite certain that it is not talking about any political nations of our day; it is likely addressing some aspect of God's salvation and judgement plan.
  • Ruby Lea Read - In Reply on Psalms 83 - 1 year ago
    Richard:

    All of Daniel; as will as all other books, is a Prophecy of CHRIST, none of Daniel or other books is a prophecy of a single anti-christ.

    Daniel 8:25 is speaking of Christ.

    Daniel 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom (man's kingdom), when the transgressors are come to full, a king (Christ) of fierce countenance, and UNDERSTANDING DARK SENTENCES, shall stand up.

    Psalms 778:2 I (Christ) will open my mouth in a parable: I (Christ) will utter DARK SAYINGS of old:

    Psalms 49:4 I (Christ) will incline my ear to a parable: I (Christ) will open my DARK SAYINGS upon the harp (a symbol of man).

    Proverbs 1:6 To UNDERSTAND a proverb, and the INTERPRETATION; the words of the wise (God's words); and their DARK SAYINGS.

    God Bless YOU!
  • David0920 - In Reply on Psalms 83 - 1 year ago
    We must remember that Christ spoke in parables and without a parable spoke He not. And Christ is the WORD of God. Much of the language in the Bible is parabolic language teaching some spiritual truth. That includes language describing actual historical events as well as future prophecies. I think that is the case here.
  • Richard H Priday on Psalms 83 - 1 year ago
    Psalm 83

    Psalm 83 is referred to by some as a prophetic war among 10 nations that may occur at the very start of the Tribulation. Careful analysis doesn't indicate any of the outer nations which are in the Ezekiel 38 war from Israel as a center. Technically; there is no mention of an offensive battle strategy either. We certainly can see the attitude of many of the nations who have attempted to wipe out Israel since its inception in 1948; specifically as verse 4 indicates removing them as a nation. This would also differentiate the economic incentives in Ezekiel 38 for the move which signifies a plunder; and also we note at that time Israel is said to have unwalled villages ( Ezekiel 38:11). Verse 12 is perhaps the clearest indication for these nations who have the Dome of the Rock as a focal point of contention to get ownership.

    The names that are listed are surrounding areas; of which I will not elaborate on here. It does seem that the end of the Psalm shows that the Lord will be known after the event as is the same concept with the Ezekiel 38 destruction. Overall; the whole thing may be different campaigns in the whole scope of world war that leads to Armageddon. We need to keep in mind that there will be certain things which Antichrist uses to galvanize nations; and initially he will form alliances that will start to fight each other; and in the end of course will turn to fight against Christ himself; as well as turning on themselves. This is all of course in God's hands and he will accomplish His purposes.

    The crafty counsel in verse 3 reminds us of Daniel 8:25 as to the policy of "craft" that the Antichrist uses; and indeed it is likely that these confederate of nations (v. 5) will be involved in that with both "dividing the land for gain" with economic incentives ( Daniel 11:39) as well as the involvement in the occult whith Antichrist practices ( Dan. 8:23) which could perhaps be one of the mystical forms of Islam or New Age religion.
  • Dennis J Cherry on Psalms 83 - 1 year ago
    *J.E.H.O.V.A.H.= Jehovah, Emmanuel & HolyGhost; Overturned Verdict Against Humanity!*
  • Chris - In Reply on Psalms 83 - 1 year ago
    Thanks for that brother Adam, and I agree that the pronunciations given are as close as possible to the actual vocalization of those words in Hebrew. I did read Dan's request for the "PROPER phonetic pronunciations", as the words would be spoken in Hebrew by a Hebrew speaker (maybe I misunderstood him & he just wanted to say the words correctly in English). Though, you're correct, an English speaker may not easily discern those names unless read simultaneously with the one reading them from the Bible.
  • Adam - In Reply on Psalms 83 - 1 year ago
    Hello Chris, that is nice that you took the time to help him. I noticed the last one Jehovah ( yeh-ho-vaw-) which is different than how most people pronounce it in English. Upon checking a few websites and they appear to agree its pronounced Juh-ho-vah in English. It would probably be most recognizeable to an English speaking audience in English. Also, lot isn't pronounced lote in English.

    If I understand correctly, this might be akin to speaking to US-born citizens but calling the country Estados Unidos which some may not understand and cause confusion. Someone can be technically correct in an unfamiliar language at the risk of not having the message understood by the audience which defeats the purpose of communicating.
  • Chris - In Reply on Psalms 83 - 1 year ago
    Hi Dan. Referring to my Lexicon, I can offer the names & their pronunciations. However, I should add, that the congregation who might be more familiar with the names pronounced in a western-style manner, may think you odd speaking forth with the Hebrew 'sounds'. Hopefully, your reading of Psalm 83 is for the minister's address as it's certainly unsuitable to lead one to worship. The preacher might be impressed with your efforts. All the best.

    Asaph = aw-sawf

    Ishmaelites = yish-maw-ay-lee (or, to stick closer to the English: yish-maw-ay-lites)

    Hagarenes = hag-ree (or, hag-reens, being closer to English)

    Gebal = gheb-awl

    Amalek = am-aw-lake

    Philistines & Tyre (stay with these words as the Hebrew for them is vastly different)

    Assur = ash-shoor

    Lot = lote

    Sisera = see-ser-aw

    Jabin = yaw-been

    Oreb = o-rabe

    Zeeb = zeh-abe

    Zebah = zeh'-bakh

    Zalmunna = tsal-moon-naw

    Jehovah = yeh-ho-vaw
  • Suze - In Reply on Psalms 83 - 1 year ago
    Hi Dan , my KJV is fab because it has pronunciation symbols all the way through it and a table of these symbols for me to check , sadly I can't help you if your Bible doesn't also have them sad face , e.g. that symbol over the letter o makes it sound like the o in the word nor , or if that was over the letter a , the a sounds like the a in the word fare . My Bible is a Collins Comfort Text and I got it from a very well know shopping site and its second hand . Maybe you can find one , I hope so .
  • Dan on Psalms 83 - 1 year ago
    I have been given the task and the honor or reading

    Psalm 83 in church this Sunday.

    Can you give me proper phonetic pronunciation of the Biblical names of persons contained

    therein?

    Thank you.

    Dan
  • Adam - In Reply on Psalms 83 - 1 year ago
    I don't think it is taken out of most Bibles. It's probably harder to find one without the word Jehovah. If you search the word and click on one of the verses and view the other translations you can clearly see that most use that word. God bless.
  • Free - In Reply on Psalms 83 - 1 year ago
    Dear "Jamie", See here it is not taken out.

    Psalms 83:18

    That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

    Isaiah 12:2

    Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.

    Exodus 6:3

    And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

    Isaiah 26:4

    Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength:

    In this context, it is a strong word. In KJV you have what is right. Some creeds have their own printing presses and can therefore make / raise / shorten as they wish. This will be confusing for those who read it.

    My experience is KJV is the best. Sometimes i hear readings from other publishers and the words are unfortunately mixed so that even if i read in my KJV there is total confusion. My advice to you is to read a translation that you drop and stumble upon the words / settings and the like. Only KJV :)

    Hope the answer can help you. For the Bible is meant to have a word that is understandable. Jehovah is also used by the Witnesses. I have no prior knowledge there. But maybe someone else has? Know that they do not believe in the trinity between God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

    Stay safe in Jesus name, love u in Christ. John 7:10_24
  • Jamie on Psalms 83 - 1 year ago
    Why is the name Jehovah been taken out of so many bibles
  • Marke on Psalms 83 - 1 year ago
    Psalm 83:5-8

    5 For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:

    6 The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;

    7 Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre;

    8 Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah.

    God's enemies have risen up in America with one voice. The barbarian supporters of murder by abortion, sexual perversion by homosexual rights, theft by oppressive taxation, and other ungodly wickedness. There is no fear of God before their eyes. They mock God and persecute His children as if they will never face God to answer for their sins.
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Psalms 83 - 2 years ago
    Psalms 83, cross-reference,

    Vr 6 = Deuteronomy 23:3-6, Numbers 20:18-22, Numbers 24:18, Judges 11:17, 1 Kings 11:14, 2 Kings 3, 2 Kings 8:20,

    Vrs. 5 & 6 = 2 Kings 8:22,

    Vrs 6 & 7 = 1 Samuel 14:47,

    Ezekiel 25:12, Joel 3:19, Amos 1:9,

    Vrs 9 = Numbers 31:3-9, Joshua 13:21-32,

    Vrs 11 = Judges 7:25, vrs 6 & 11 = Judges 8,

    1 Chronicles 18:11, 1 Chronicles 18, whole chapter, 2 Chronicles 25:20-24,

    Hopefully these are helpful in your study
  • Mishael - In Reply on Psalms 83 - 2 years ago
    You should get a KJV Reference Study Bible. I prefer one with CENTER OF EACH PAGE reference columns.

    You can get one on ABE BOOKS dot com

    very reasonable

    *Just pick a United States seller. Hard cover books will tear up faster. Vinyl lasts a long time; they're flexible.

    Look at the picyure to see if the references are center page OR bordering on the bottom of the page.

    There's a lot of refereeing Psalm 83. Indicate what verses you are looking at.
  • Earnestine Larry on Psalms 83 - 2 years ago
    I understand Psalm 83,what cross referances can I use
  • Rick Mentzer - In Reply on Psalms 83 - 2 years ago
    Richard Thanks for that kundalini info looked it up and ties into a lot with numerous things happening,

    again anything to not believe in God or Jesus Christ or of course His word.
  • Chris - In Reply on Psalms 83 - 2 years ago
    Very good observations, Richard. The World, both political & religious, are edging closer each day to what the Bible foretells will happen one day. We shouldn't be surprised - but remain alert.
  • Richard H Priday on Psalms 83 - 2 years ago
    Psalm 83: A study from end times perspective

    The confederate grouping of immediate nations of Israel determined to cause their destruction is the prime reason the nation is walled today; and has such an emphasis on military reprisals. It makes sense, therefore that Antichrist will formulate his peace treaty after aiding Israel in defeating the surrounding nations. This makes the future Ezekiel 38 war with outer nations make more sense; since after such a covenant they will indeed feel secure; and probably rapidly become an unwalled nation. If Antichrist is involved with the many other nations such as Iran, Turkey; Syria; and the southern Mediterranean Muslim contries and likely the Gulf states already leaning in that direction; it would seem to insure that all remaining threats have been taken care of. In light of Saudi Arabia's plan to control the Dome of the Rock mosque; there are already signs that the Palestinians aren't really a concern to them; and a shifting control which would benefit the rest of the Muslim world to get a foothold there at the places of worship.

    We should also examine the countries such as Turkey which are highly radical; yet have Imams meeting with the Sanhedrin today. There is a mutual desire for combined worship among Jews, Muslims; and Apostate Christianity particularly focused with recent activities with the Vatican. Much of the mystical branches of Islam; as well as other Eastern religions are seemingly close to development of a world wide "Babylon" religion. This is verified by recent Popes having prayer groups from all religions including tribal. We see ecumenicalism; and of course the Kundalini type manifestations in many churches today.

    Antichrist must utilize this religion the first few years before he destroys it so that he can get all the worship himself. It is likely the 10 kings are already established as most leaders possess an antichrist spirit and are looking for one world government.
  • Jimmie on Psalms 83 - 3 years ago
    great seeing Jehovah's name used and how often it is used.
  • Paul Not the Apostle - In Reply on Psalms 83:18 - 3 years ago
    Not 'with the H sound', but with the Y sound.
  • Dale Grady on Psalms 83:18 - 3 years ago
    PSALM 83: 18...........Who is JEHOVAH?

    See the Hand of The Master Landscaper

    The Creator, The Almighty, The Most High

    The Divine Name to some

    Knowing His purpose will be done

    He who causes to become

    But something went wrong...a long time ago

    And the ANSWER ....His servants know

    BECAUSE, He says so!
  • CK on Psalms 83:18 - 3 years ago
    The name given at Psalms 83:18 is derived from the Hebrew consonants Yod He Vod He, or YHVH, referred to commonly as the Tetragrammaton. Because of IGNORANT and FOOLISH Jewish "tradition" of refusing to pronounce "the name" based on the commandment to "not use the name of thy God in vain," the original pronunciation has been lost to history. However, based on the Hebraic tradition of names having meanings and their numerical coded messages in Gematria, the pronunciation Yahweh has been given as the closest Hebrew approximation to the name in modern times. In English, it is translated a Jehovah and the J is pronounced with the J sound. In Spanish the J is pronounced with the H sound, and there is no "h" at the end in Spanish spelling. Each language has their own TRANSLATION and pronunciation for the Hebrew name Yahweh.

    Satan the Devil does not want humans to know the name of the only TRUE God, Yahweh/Jehovah so that we would not KNOW who the true God is nor call on His name and worship Him. This is why the name has been all but removed from translations of the original scrolls, even though on the originals it was written 1000's of times. JEHOVAH is the only TRUE God and Jesus Christ is His SON, whom Jehovah gave as a sacrificial ransom, once for all time, for redemption of the Adamic sins of humankind, in order that all who believe in Jesus and OBEY His commands would be forgiven our sins and receive everlasting life.

    How that everlasting life is defined is a different thread.
  • Paul - In Reply on Psalms 83 - 3 years ago
    The translations that preceded the KJV of 1611 do not contain that part.
  • Patty Tozi on Psalms 83:18 - 3 years ago
    Every morning l sit some where alone getting strength from my Heavenly Father. I have been through my life many warfares because the enemy knew at the end of my Distany l would be so close to our God, that l could move heavy mountains from others lifes. I flow in and out of the controlled system of lies- knowing my Strength of my past fights l have had would lead me in the Light to fight for others. I know my God. I know His Son. Been up in the Heavens before. Saw Jesus fight for me with His Father so l could return to the world to help others. My whole life l wrote what l could see before it happened. Leading me to walk now only with the Holy Spirit- not the world at all. I want everyone to know we have to choose now who we will serve. The world of the mind and flesh. Or the Spirt of our Mighty God and His Son. Choose this day whom you will serve. For the time will go faster and faster as the evilness takes hold. And out of the Clouds Jesus will be. A Mighty Warrrior for you and me!!!


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