Psalms Chapter 41 Discussion

  • Karen S. Crawford on Psalms 41 - 1 year ago
    God's word is holy god's word is perfect and god's word is truth all glory and praise and honor to god the father and jesus christ god's precious son and the holy holy holy blood of jesus christ and to the precious precious holy spirit and god's kind holy word
  • Richard H Priday on Psalms 41 - 1 year ago
    Psalm 41. This passage of scripture; without much question refers to David's late stage illness as shown in 1 Kings 1:1-4. There are statements about God preserving those physically in their illnesses who consider the poor (verse 1). This may not be something that we consider today; but it is worth noting in places such as the USA that have up until now been affluent compared with much of the world.

    Once again as I have established a couple times with previous Psalms it would appear that David's state was due to sinful actions earlier (v. 4). As to any specific sexually transmitted disease I won't speculate. The passage following in verses 5 through 8 do show how his enemies sought out his death; and certainly that could have been due to the many wives and or concubines that David maintained; and those relations from other nations that by default would have been intertwined in these personal affairs. Secondary to this but also related is the rivalry from Absolom and other enemies that God Himself promised due to David's sin as seen in 2 Samuel 12. He was forgiven but there were consequences to his actions.

    Verse 9 certainly is a Messianic prophecy; albeit fits in with David's situation (although it is hard to tell WHO exactly it would have referred to in his case).

    The rest of the Psalm once again could have application to David and at least in a general sense to Christ in regard to victory over His enemies; and favor with God as well as His place as established in heaven at the right hand of God. (verses 10-12). It finally ends with the eternal nature of God and His blessedness.

    It probably doesn't need repeating at this point how the same themes here continue repeatedly; namely prophecies applicable to David and Christ; David's sufferings; trust in God's grace and trust in all His promises. The Hebrew phoenetic and poetic structure has to be delved into to be discovered; and the sound of the original songs sadly have not been preserved.
  • Maryfran53223 - In Reply on Psalms 41 - 2 years ago
    God is a God that will never leave us nor forsake us, He gives us new mercies every morning. May God continue to bless you and let His light forever shine on you. Be blessed
  • Ronald on Psalms 41 - 2 years ago
    In Psalms 41 who are the main characters and who betrayed the author of Psalms
  • English sacha - In Reply on Psalms 41 - 2 years ago
    Dear David , I am so sorry for your loss , please know that you are valued and cherished on this site , I too have lost more than one person in the last couple of years , we are heart broken because we miss their company and the comfort and affection that they brought us and we have to carry on in these awful kingdoms of men without them , God and Jesus are with you every second of every day , surrender yourself to them and allow their love to wash over you , they will keep your feet on the straight and narrow and bring you ever close to Them .Much sympathy and love in Christ .
  • Chris - In Reply on Psalms 41 - 2 years ago
    May the Lord bless, keep & sustain you David in your earthly sojourn. You've certainly had a very sad & trying year & there is certainly no balm of comfort or healing available from any earthly storehouse. You've shown by your testimony here & from your other encouraging posts, that your joy & victory lies wholly in the Person of our Blessed God & Saviour. May you be strengthened day by day in the inner man, knowing the Lord's gracious Presence at every moment & at every turn in your life. 1 Corinthians 2:9.
  • David on Psalms 41 - 2 years ago
    There are many clear cut decisions we can make based on the Word of God. There are also many areas that God gives us principles to follow. The best thing is first to be saved by the Gospel of Christ. Then cultivate an intimate relationship with God, by knowing Him through His Word. Have a strong prayer life, and prayer partners to hold you accountable. Build relationships in the church with saved people you can trust. Lean and trust in the Lord God Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnipresent.

    Then as the Scripture says - wait on Him. I too am struggling with different issues in my life, however putting into play the above things have helped me greatly. Not as easy as writing it down. I'm 70yrs old. I took the covid shot about 7 months ago because I was traveling internationally, so I had no choice. I didn't want to take it; but if I didn't, I would not have been able travel by airplane. I've been blessed, I had no complications.

    My wife passed away in late January 2021, then my sister passed away in June 2021. It's been very difficult: however, My God and Savior has been a high tower and great comfort to me and my children. Praise the Lord, I will see and be with them again based on God's Word.

    God bless everyone one. August 2021
  • Adam - In Reply on Psalms 41 - 2 years ago
    Hello David,

    Pastors and church leadership are imperfect sinners like anyone else. Some feel threatened, feel insecure, feel they need to justify their job position to others or to themselves, and sometimes make misguided decisions, and false assumptions.

    I don't know the context of the Psalms 41 mention, because in itself there's both positive verses like verse 2, but others could be potentially interpreted as negative. If I were to guess I'd say that pastors may feel pressure to grow the church and is a measure of their job performance and they may feel insecure when someone (especially someone who has been an integral member) leaves, because they may take it personally and goes against their goals.

    That being said, pastors leave churches too then rationalize it at the time. Most missionaries are transient and move around to build and encourage churches- not really rooted in one place too long on average. That's what Paul did. I see leaving as a positive thing- new opportunities to serve others, meet a new community and who knows what else God can use you for. To claim that people moving somehow automatically means it's leaving God's house sounds disingenuous and manipulative to me. But I've heard all kinds of logical fallacies used in God's name used to manipulate and cause others guilt. I think this is very wrong. Pastors are in a position of influence and I've unfortunately heard them abuse their power before.

    So, I would not let 1 persons opinion and possible insecure comments adversely affect you. It's hard to hear things like that instead of words of appreciation after committing so long to one church.

    God bless...
  • David Wilson on Psalms 41 - 2 years ago
    I recently left the church, I have attended for many years, to attend the Church where my wife attends so that we may worship together. She had left the original Church for personal reasons and will not return. I did not talk with the Pastor about my leaving but did speak with the Head Deacon of the Church about this matter. On Sunday the Pastor mentioned my leaving, not by name, but did use the Psalm 41 passage as a reference. I am not his enemy but this is the impression I received from him with this reading. I am not leaving GOD'S house just moving on the way I feel the Lord is leading me to go. Appreciate your input.
  • Robert Malit - In Reply on Psalms 41 - 3 years ago
    I would respect your friend's belief and faith in our Lord. I feel the same way. If your friend has faith the size of a mustard seed and doesn't doubt God will protect her/him, nothing is impossible.
  • Suzanne - In Reply on Psalms 41 - 3 years ago
    This can b a tough question ,in my life i have had a very serious illness and i did not hesitate 2 take the medical treatment offered ,i belive that all good things come from God and that he has given people the knowledge to cure and treat illnessess ,all through my treatment i prayed 2 God and asked him that i might continue 2 live ,i wasnt afraid 2 die i just didnt want 2 yet as i wanted 2 b with my loved ones longer ,i believe u should do what u believe is right 4 u ,if God wants u 2 continue living u will and if God wants u 2 die u will die ,we have 2 accept His decision and trust in His righteousness and mercy ,i thank God that He allowed and allows me 2 continue living .Please do what u think is right 4 u without worrying about it ,we r all always in His hands and there is no better place 4 us 2 b .
  • Andrew - In Reply on Psalms 41 - 3 years ago
    Hello Nellie,

    I hope that my reply will in some way help to answer your question. I can relate to your friend's belief system, as I too was once erroneously taught the same doctrine as a child. We were taught that going to the doctor for any reason showed a lack of faith and would ultimately result in being punished by God for our disobedience. I give thanks to God for opening my eyes years later and for giving me discernment to recognize false teachings.

    To answer your question regarding the COVID-19 vaccine, and/or receiving any other medical treatment is against God's Will, I would go to scripture (KJV). Matthew 9:12 says "But when Jesus heard that, He said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick." In other words, Jesus was saying that those who are in good have no reason to go and see a physician. Another point that could be illustrated is the fact that the apostle Luke was a physician. We as Christians should always maintain our faith in God, whether it be to give us strength during times of weakness, or healing during times of sickness. God gave man the wisdom to become a doctor in order to help those who are sick. Maintaining our faith is always essential to our Christian journey. When we go to the doctor for medical advice or treatment, we put not our trust solely in their knowledge, but rather put our trust in the Lord that He will give the doctor wisdom and guidance to treat us in a manner that will result in better health.

    Hope this helps!

    God Bless,

  • Nellie Morgan on Psalms 41 - 3 years ago
    I am a believer in God and read from the king's Jame bible. I would like to no do you think God dosen't want us to take the convid19 vaccination. I'm 73 & i took it but I have a friend who has all kinds of sickness but will not take it because she believe God wants her to trust his power to heal her

    My question is there any where in the bible I can tell her to read to insure her that by taking the vaccine dosen't weaken her belief in God
  • Bendito Palavra - In Reply on Psalms 41:3 - 3 years ago
    But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee. ( Hebrews 2:9-12)
  • Sherry Ahmad on Psalms 41:3 - 3 years ago
    Is there another deeper mystical meaning for "Jesus make my dying bed", which is derived from Psalms 41:3?
  • Godness Aniekan Okposong on Psalms 41 - 4 years ago
    Psalm 41 is favorite God use this portion and fight for me
  • Hans Aaland on Psalms 41 - 4 years ago
    Last I quoted from Zech. Ch. 11 about the Raider emblem rep me, says he will eat the fat of the land, and tear their claws in pieces. I've quoted on record to someone about myself being the one. Only here, in Ps. 41, I'm depicted as concerning the poor, which I've done by not focusing in making an income with some exception, not to mention my going bankrupt, and sadly to take my fathers life at the breast of Ps.55:19 20 . I want also to show what is said of my consideration. It says in vs. 3 "The LORD will strengthen him upon the bed of languishing: thou wilt make all his bed in his sickness." I need a quick recognitiion by the Raiders change of plan, to bring attention to my cause.Y.R.!
  • Adam - In Reply on Psalms 41 - 4 years ago
    It sounds you're interpreting Matthew 6:13 as God being the one tempting you, but that isn't the case. It says 'lead us not', it doesn't say 'tempt us not'. God can lead or offer a direction for you, but its up to you using your freewill to choose it. This prayer by Jesus is asking God not to lead us down a path where Satan may tempt us. This is not a translation error as you suggest.
  • Thanks Adam on Psalms 41 - 4 years ago
    Adam I do agree with your understanding of James1:13 God tells us He does not lead any of us into Temptation but by the wording in The Lords Prayer Matt6:9 Jesus is telling us to ask God not to lead us into TemptationV9 So why the Contridiction it must be someones Translation error Jesus would not tell us to Pray for what God tells us is not True. My Heart agrees and no doubt yours does too Adam
  • Adam - In Reply on Psalms 41 - 4 years ago
    I'm not yet understanding what you think is the contradiction. James 1:13 says God doesn't tempt people to do evil, nor can God be tempted to do evil Himself. The other is Jesus giving an example prayer to deliver us away from the temptation, which is from Satan. Can you please explain in more detail why you think this is a contradiction?
  • I am - In Reply on Psalms 41 - 4 years ago
    It is more blessed to GIVE tribute due unto GOD than to receive the love of money which draweth men into perdition. It is written, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
  • I am - In Reply on Psalms 41 - 4 years ago
    I can only agree with GOD, my Holy Father. There is no greater love than Christ laying down his life for his friends. Ye know Christ is come but confess not. Thy envious desire is for men to never repent: that the body of Christ is separated from the head, who is the very Christ. Yet, that man's repentance shall be thy end O Wicked MAN. It is written, For the love of money is the root of all evil:
  • Right or Wrong - In Reply on Psalms 41 - 4 years ago
    Because it seems to be a Contradiction Adam, I'm sure Jesus would not tell us to say what His Father tells us not to say..... Matthew6:13 And lead us Not into Temptation..... James1:13 Let No Man say when he is Tempted I am Tempted of God.....So is it a Translation error Adam or am I misunderstanding it's wording ?
  • Adam - In Reply on Psalms 41 - 4 years ago
    Why do you assume there's a translation error and for what verse?
  • Translation Error - In Reply on Psalms 41 - 4 years ago
    Adam I would appreciate your view on the Sciptures below, God has shown me Translation errors in the KJV but they were not to deceive like Cult Versions and some other well known Bibles not yet reconized by many as having Cult deception in them too. In The Lord's Prayer we ask God not to lead us into Temptation but God tells us not to say He does in Jas1:13 should it say Keep us from it Mt26:41.
  • Gods Blessings Come from His Heart of Love - In Reply on Psalms 41 - 4 years ago
    I agree with you Adam and Eric it's more Blessed to Give than receive Ac 20:35 Organizations are using Money to Control People and even some Christian ones are focusing on money more than on God who Loves a Cheerful Giver not one made to feel they have to give. He tells us not to beg His Work done in His Way never Lacks His Supply He knows our Needs we Pray and Receive His good Blessings for us.
  • Blessings in Knowing God'sTruth - In Reply on Psalms 41 - 4 years ago
    Iam, To know God's Good Will for us and His Truth we Trust Him and do what He tells us in Scripture. We need His Wisdom Prov4:7 we weren't Born with it we all lack it James1:5-8 We are told to Ask, Seek and Knock in Lk10:11-13 and when we ask in agreement with God's Good Will for us including for The Holy Spirit we will Receive them and we will know God's Truth and His Heart of Love for us 1Cor2.
  • I am - In Reply on Psalms 41 - 4 years ago
    If thy sayings come not from God himself, of whom do they come, thine own self? I can of mine own self do nothing: lest mine own judgment be found to be unjust. It is written, God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Has in these last days spoken unto us by HIS Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds:
  • Eric - In Reply on Psalms 41 - 4 years ago
    Thank you Adam! I believe in God the father of almighty.
  • I am - In Reply on Psalms 41 - 4 years ago
    Yea, ye agree O rebellious house. Yet thy agreement with hell shall not stand. Verily, I tell ye, my Holy Father sent me not to fund that man's pride, enticing men to continue following thy pernicious ways into hellfire. It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.

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