Psalms Chapter 36 Discussion



 
  • Susan Adams on Psalms 36:6
    Is there scripture that affirms pets do not go to Heaven?
  • Chris - in Reply on Psalms 36:6
    You will get different views on this, whether pets (or, even animals in general) go to Heaven or not. There's no Scripture to support either view - it just comes down to an opinion based on one's understanding of God's creation & His Plan for all it. Also, one can be so enamoured with one's pet, that the thought is, 'surely God can't deny such a loving faithful animal a place in Heaven'. Maybe this is just wishful thinking.

    If we looked at any Scripture which reveals the beings & activity in Heaven (then & now), all we see is God's Presence & the Heavenly Host which comprise the living beings around Him. And then in the Book of the Revelation we see more, as in the Elders & those saints robed in white. We never see animals (or, their souls) in Heaven, nor do we read about them as having any part in a resurrection, to which only humans who accountable to God, have.

    And then we could try to understand the purpose of the creation of plants & animals. Again, views may be many on this, but I just see all these as God's Plan to beautify the Earth (for His Sake & ours) with the things & creatures that will enjoy life & point man's heart back to his Creator. Of course, both plants & animals serve as sacrifice & food for our existence as well. So, in short, my view is that animals are not in Heaven, only those who have been created for Heaven & those appointed to salvation & eternal life.
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Psalms 36:6
    My good brother Chris,

    As you know we can all have different views on things of the Eternal realm or Heaven. My belief is there are animals in Heaven but of coarse the only ones who know for sure are not here, in earth, anymore.

    One verse from the Bible that may point to this is Revelation 19:11. When our Lord comes down from Heaven riding on a white horse.

    Of coarse not to dispute anything with you my brother. Just thought I would note that verse.

    God Bless you Chris.
  • Steven Spencer - in Reply on Psalms 36:6
    Hi Richard, My question is if animals go to heaven, how many? all? pigs and rats too? reptiles and insects too? people have them as pets as well. How do they get to heaven by the blood of Christ? I know that sounds silly but it's a thought because it seems most people will fall short, I think our concern should be for those who are lost, not mosquitoes and knats. smiles.
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Psalms 36:6
    My brother Steven,

    Hopefully you know I have not the answer to your question nor do I believe anyone else does. Saying how they go to heaven if by the blood of Christ? Well animals don't have sin, as humans do, so I believe they are on a different scale than us. Of coarse this is just my opinion. I agree our concern should most definitely be for other souls of people rather than bugs.

    Still, I believe animals are a beautiful creation of our Father and carry His finger print. Seeing butterflies, dogs, birds flying and singing would be beautiful in Heaven. To me. But as said I guess there is only one way to find out the truth. It is all up to God.

    Revelation 5:13 - And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, [be] unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

    As this verse states every "creature" which is in Heaven. Could it merely mean just Angels with humans? Or animals also? God knows and one day we will too my brother.

    God Bless.
  • Rod - in Reply on Psalms 36:6
    not sure but would this help just happening to be reading this last night.

    Ecclesiastes 3:18 "I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts."

    Ecclesiastes 3:19 "For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. "Ecclesiastes 3:20 "All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. "Ecclesiastes 3:21 "Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?"
  • Steven Spencer - in Reply on Psalms 36:6
    Hi Richard, Hope that brought you a smile, but you're right, scripture don't have much to say on it, How did you like the knats and mosquitoes? Lol. I heard one guy on here mention hammer head sharks. Lol.
  • Chris - in Reply on Psalms 36:6
    Thank you dear Richard for your thoughts on this. Indeed, there are some things that we may never know on this side of Heaven so being dogmatic over such issues would be unwarranted. I think it really comes down to one's understanding of a whole range of materiel before us & how we bring it together to make sense.

    With the Book of Revelation, it is the one Book that is filled with imagery & symbolism, so I can see how some things may be taken literally or symbolically, whether justifiably or not. With the matter of the horses, or the beast rising from the sea, or even the sword coming out from the Saviour's mouth, my understanding is that these are all imagery given to John to depict future events that were kept obscure to him to some extent.

    Anyway, we will just have to agree to disagree on this matter along with the shape of the Earth belief, & base our acceptance of & love for each other on things that are more precious & abiding. Every blessing Richard.
  • Laurie on Psalms 36:11
    How can one be lost if Jesus saves him

    Once ur saves aren't u saved eternally

    Or can somebody urself or another make u lose ur salvation? And at what point can u ?
  • Chris - in Reply on Psalms 36:11
    Laurie.

    a. "How can one be lost if Jesus saves him? If Jesus saves (i.e. saved by having faith in Jesus' sacrificial work on the Cross & subsequently indwelt by the Holy Spirit), then no one, whether oneself, another, the Devil, can 'un-save' you. The problem arises when we see a believer, hear his testimony & see his new life, & we deem him a saved/born again person. But do we really know what happened in that encounter with the Spirit of God? Was there contrition for sin, true repentance, & a re-birth experience? We can never know, nor are we given such licence to do so - that is God's department. We are just to accept each other, love each other & encourage each other in our faith. So, the true believer cannot be lost & the test is his continual hatred of anything that smells of sin, his struggle against it as well as a great desire to please God & live for Him. If he wants to & relishes sin, then "by their fruits ye shall know them" (Mt 7:20).

    b. "Once ur saved aren't u saved eternally?" Yes we are because God's Spirit has done the saving & not man. Sometimes, the Gospel preacher can get so excited & proactive in sharing the Gospel, he won't stop until he gets a confession of sin & prayer of repentance from the unbeliever. We are to preach & persuade from the Scriptures & leave it to the Spirit to take over. So many of those are then convinced that they are now born again & end up derelicts in faith & their final end made worse than the beginning. The Scripture I often use in support is in 1 John 5:13: "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that YE MAY KNOW that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." We can know now - Today - that the salvation Christ has given us is real & the promise of eternal life is our possession now. There are many religions, including the RCs & Muslims, that have to wait for God's final judgement to know their destiny - Jesus makes it certain for us.
  • Stanjett - in Reply on Psalms 36:11
    Some believe you can lose your salvation. Others believe you can't. Did Jesus lie when He said that those that believe in me shall not die but have everlasting life? No. If a person keeps sinning after they are saved, They was not true when the y said they accepted Christ. Satan is not strong enough to take your salvation from you.
  • Randall Randall - in Reply on Psalms 36:11
    This is not true! Only God knows your true heart. You are still a sinner even if you are saved. You are not God and therefore you can fall from grace. But your salvation is set and held in Gods hands eternally. Paul says we all fall short of the glory of God. You can have a person whom follows all the rules but without the acknowledgement of Christ as Lord and Saviour you will not see the Father. Read Romans
  • Adam - in Reply on Psalms 36:11
    Salvation is not given until people are judged and that doesn't happen until after Jesus comes. People assume they're saved as if they now can enjoy sin as much as they want with no consequence despite verses like Romans 14:12. Secondly, some people falsely assume they no longer have freewill to sin after becoming a Christian, despite all the other verses saying you can sin. Paul was a Christian and deeply struggled with his 'flesh' tempting him to sin and wrote about that in depth. There is no evidence that says your freewill to sin is stripped away. Even angels in heaven could sin, such as satan, so of course a Christian still has the ability to sin, but is supposed to actually try hard to have self control and NOT SIN. People try hard to blame others and to avoid accountability for their own actions, but no, no one forces them to sin, but themselves and their own bad choices. Those who believe Christians cannot sin are basically calling Jesus a liar. Jesus spent so much time warning his followers (Christians) to avoid sin, and shared many parables, and kept challenging them. John 14:15, Hebrews 10:26, Matthew 12:31-32. The once saved- always saved belief is a very predictable argument, but is debunked by the Bible itself if someone were to read it carefully and pray to God and ask for the heart to know the truth. Satan loves to deceive Christians into believing they have a get out of jail free card that entitles them to live in the world and enjoy unlimited sin with no consequence and of course that has the devil's signature all over it.
  • Randall L Ralston - in Reply on Psalms 36:11
    No one comes to the father but through me! Jesus. Once you except Christ into your heart you are Justified by his death. Then the road to learning with the Holy spirit is sanctification. You are saved from your sins past present and future period. All will far short of the Glory of God but once saved The Father (God Head) puts his hands over you and that's the end of it, you are his child! Can you still sin, yes if you dont listen to the Holy spirit. Jesus said to guard our minds. Jesus said this be cause he understood past present and future and knew we would struggle will sin in our minds. But a true Christian in true faith and relationship with Christ knows he can fall from grace. And this is why we are having this conversation so that we reinforce Gods words. If you do not have on the full armored of God how can you be perfect? You cant because most of us know we are saved because we have on the helmet of salvation but we are running around naked without the other parts of the armor that make us whole. Evan as we are saved we sin and those who say they are true Christains without sin, are not saved at all. To walk in Jesus's footsteps is to have relationship with God but to be him is impossible. Remember Jesus said we are little Gods with a small G. Dont doubt your salvation because you are not perfect or may fall from grace (sin), but instead doubt your imperfection cant get better to be more like Jesus. GOD BLESS! Jesus came to save us by dying on the cross, so that we may be saved from the raptor of certain death. Our job is to sow and grow the crops through the Gospel, dont worry about the benefits, give the Glory to God, for that is what we will be judged for, not for our sins. So give the Glory to God in everything you do. From the time you get up till the time your lie down and know that he knows your needs, and He The Father loves you greatly. Love in your hearts!
  • DOCTRINE OF THE NICOLAITANS - in Reply on Psalms 36:11
    It means return to your first love when you First met Jesus. The scripture is in Revelation 2:4

    Just compare your life today to those first days when you asked Jesus to come in your heart. You read your Bible. You asked the Holy Spirit to help you understand what you have read. He's your Teacher, and the Spirit of Jesus; your Comforter; your Convictor when you make mistakes, your Helper. He's here for you, now.

    Pray this prayer to return to your first Love:

    Lord, after what I've read today, I don't want to allow any spirit of compromise in my life! I now understand that the doctrine of the Nicolaitans is compromise with the world. Lord, I don't want to live with one foot in the church and another foot in the world. I want to break free completely from the world and its influence so I can give myself completely to Your cause! I want to be holy, to live in a way that pleases You, and to experience Your power in my life. Today I am renewing my commitment to You all over again! I turn from the world, and I am running to You!

    I pray this in Jesus' Name!

    Attend a full Gospel Church that teaches the same Gospel of Jesus Christ that you read in your Bible. Anything preached to you from a pulpit should be verified BY YOU in your Bible. Not a SOFT on sin Church. Revelation speaks of the Doctrine of the "Nicolaitans." Google that word. We need to know what it means (compromise).

    Prophesy from the Bible teaches us in last days: the Falling Away of the Church; also Apostacy in the Church.

    The temptation is to fall away and Follow the world, instead of Jesus Christ. The pull for us to do that is powerful. Who is the Tempter? Satan!

    If you will study these things and not be a seeker of quick, easy, painless Christian belief, you will know more than most people.

    Nicolaitans are domineering; hard on obedience and light on sin. Don't fall into that trap. JESUS said he HATED the doctrine of them.

    Follow what Jesus says in the Bible.

    Mishael
  • Jim on Psalms 36
    God created heaven and earth, by speaking it into existence. God knows all and sees everything.gog is naturally trusting because in all we do to please ourselves; we constantly forget about God until we need him. God is a jealous God,he constantly tells us through old prophets for him people to tear down the idols that man had made. God is real, he truly cares about all of his beings that he made in the image of himself. Thank you Lord for given us your very best, our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. Who came down from heaven as a living sacrifice, fought, suffer and died for us. Took the sting out of death, gave us a chance at the tree of life.salvation.
  • Lady A on Psalms 36
    With GOD all things are Possible.....

    LOVE
  • Robert DeHaan on Psalms 36
    To know Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, there is no greater joy than walking and talking with our Master and King. Since being disabled the last six years and being homebound, I fell deeper in love with my Redeemer Kinsman. O Lord gather your Kingdom Eternal in these end days. Hallelujah to the Lamb of God! Praise Him all that breathe! I love you Jesus!
  • Molly on Psalms 36
    Jesus said He is the light of the world as long as He is in the world. But, He later told us, "But, now are ye the lights of the world", signifying the responsibility which lies on the shoulders of those who know God, to be examples of faith and righteousness; to stand in the gap as prayer warriors for those who do not know the Lord and for our nation; and, to lead the lost to Him. God bless!
  • BSP on Psalms 36
    Jehovah God is the source of life and the true source of spiritual enlightenment.
  • Rey on Psalms 36
    there-is-satisfaction-and-pleasure-in-GOD-for-verse-8-says-so.-not-sinful-satisfaction-or-sinful-pleasure-but-pure-and-holy-pleasure-and-satisfaction.and-GOD-delights-for-us-to-enjoy-his-pleasures-and-then-we-become-satisfied.-when-was-the-last-time-you-enjoyed-that?-is-yours-for-the-taking.-simple-enough-don't-you-think-so?
  • Leslie Brown on Psalms 36
    We must trust in the Lord God each and every day. We are living in a world where so much evil is all around us. But we must be still and and know that He is God. It is written greater is he that is in us then he in the world. It is written we are more than conquerors. It is written he was come that we may have life more abundantly. We have power with the word of God.
  • Geraldine Berry -Cole on Psalms 36
    All the Lord want us to do is trust him have faith believe he will do just what he said witness to the unsaved love one another treat everyone with love and respect read the word and live it that is not to hard is it lets obey Jesus rather man Amen
  • BSP on Psalms 36
    The source of life comes from Jehovah God. We owe him our lives and should show our gratitude everyday.
  • Lilian on Psalms 36
    For with thee is the fountain of life. From his light we can see the light. Jesus is the only light of the world he is the only gateway to heaven only believe that he is the Son of the Living God. Thank you Jesus and i believe your words for you are Faithful. You are my rock and my salvation hosanna in the highest amen hallelujah
  • Rsymond .miller on Psalms 36
    I thought it about dogs go to heaven what does it mean that mean mark is false teacher
  • Borney on Psalms 36
    This Psalm took me into the heart of Jesus on the cross wherein I felt forsaken by lover and friend and could only pray, Father into thy hands I commend my spirit. For if those who reject me without cause and those who would only destroy me by thier love and loyalty to others while casually using me both never come to a knowledge of saving faith I am a man alone and God says, it is not good.
  • Denise on Psalms 36
    As a good earthly father protects and provides for his children our God serves as a greater source of provision and shield. The wicked may plot to destroy God's children yet God will prevent the wicked from harming us. Trusting in God is wise. Only a fool looks to the work of his own hands. Father God, we thank you and we love you. Teach us to worship and give praise to your Holy Name.
  • Nomagugu Mukadah on Psalms 36
    I think rightly so this scripture tells us about God's divine protection in our lives. I also think even when it seems like we have not been protected - bad things have happened to believers I think we have also the assurance that everything finds meaning with God and moment of brokenness is lost in Him. When we go to Him we have the peace that we have a place of refuge
  • Michael C. on Psalms 36
    For a long time, I thought this Psalm is talking about others; but this morning I see it talks about the way I was before I was saved; and what I fight against daily; to keep awake and guard a tender conscience. I think this Psalm talks about lawlessness in the heart, that tramples down fear of God, to take what it wants; and the Lord's mercy upon the ignorant when we repent and trust in Jesus.


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