Psalms Chapter 19 Discussion


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  • SkipVought on Psalms 19
    "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES:"1Co 15:3-4

    There are lots of Old Testament Scriptures that refer to a suffering and dying Messiah but I've often wondered where is it recorded "that he rose again the third day ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES"

    This creed probably started being used by Christians within months of Jesus' resurrection. There were no New Testament writings at that time. "The Scriptures" referred to the Jewish writings, The Law and The Prophets.

    I'll share some of my ideas as I hear about yours.
  • Charles R Peek - in Reply on Psalms 19
    Isaiah Chapter 53, see if you can read it without crying.
  • SkipVought - in Reply on Psalms 19
    Well Richard identified 3 Scriptural allusions supporting "that he rose again the third day ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES," and Adam echoed 1 of those 3.

    This one I got from Chuck Missler. I am no Hebrew scholar and it took one to find this one. You might not find it as compelling as the 3 from Richard.

    "Then she let them down by a CORD through the window: for her house was upon the town wall, and she dwelt upon the wall. And she said unto them, Get you to the mountain, lest the pursuers meet you; and HIDE YOURSELVES THERE THREE DAYS, until the pursuers be returned: and afterward may ye go your way. And the men said unto her, We will be blameless of this thine oath which thou hast made us swear. Behold, when we come into the land, thou shalt bind this LINE of scarlet thread in the window which thou didst let us down by: and thou shalt bring thy father, and thy mother, and thy brethren, and all thy father's household, home unto thee."Joshua 2:15-18

    CORD H2256 chebel

    also ruin: - band, coast, company, cord, country, destruction, line, lot, pain, pang, portion, region, rope, snare, sorrow, tackling.

    LINE H8615 tiqvh

    figuratively expectancy: - expectation ([-ted]), hope, live, thing that I long for.

    So between CORD (ruin, pain,sorrow) and LINE (expectation, hope)

    is HIDE...THREE DAYS

    This passage is an allusion, by The Holy Spirit, to the sorrow of the cross, three days in the grave and the hope of the resurrection: "ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES"

    This event occurs just prior to the people of Israel crossing the Jordan and entering The Promised Land.
  • SkipVought - in Reply on Psalms 19
    Here is a differentiation that I think is important to keep in mind.

    There is ONE interpretation of Joshua 2:13-20. Any passage has ONE INTERPRETATION not many. It is not the same as this typology or picture of Jesus rising on the third day. The interpretation would be what a reader would have understood in 1300 BC or 20 AD. The correct interpretation is the message that the writer meant to convey not the interpretation you want to give it. There may be an additional message in a typology but typology is not allegory, which is reading into the text what is not there as the interpretation. For instance, studying Leviticus may be difficult apart from typology, but the typology does not change the meaning of what the Ark of the Covenant was to an OT believer.
  • Adam - in Reply on Psalms 19
    1 Corinthians 15:4

    Acts 10:40

    Luke 24:7

    Luke 18:33

    Matthew 20:19

    Matthew 17:23

    Luke 24:46

    Luke 24:21

    This is only a few of the instances. Is someone doubting that Jesus was risen on the third day or something? The Bible says it all over the place, so if someone is trying to claim otherwise, they have a whole mountain of scripture against them.
  • SkipVought - in Reply on Psalms 19
    Adam, none of the New Testament had been written when this creed was first spoken, just a short time after The Resurrection. The only "Scriptures" they had would have would have been the writings that we know as The Old Testament.
  • Adam - in Reply on Psalms 19
    Ok, I read too quickly and understand you want just old testament:

    Hosea 6:2
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Psalms 19
    Hello brother Skip,

    As your post interested me to look into this. There seems to be no exact Scripture, in the OT, of the Messiah rising on the third day. What I found was there being three parallels in the OT Jesus may have been referring to.

    The First being a parallel to Abraham being commanded to sacrifice his "only" son Isaac. When hearing this his son became dead to him. Then on the third day when he was about to offer him in sacrifice the angel of the Lord stopped him. Then Isaac being alive to him again. Genesis 22:1-12

    Then next being a parallel to Jonah being three days, and nights, in the whales belly. Jonah 1:17. Showing that he was not living, but had died, is Jonah crying "out of the belly of hell or "sheol"I cried". Then Jonah 2:20 where the fish spit him up and being revived, or alive, after three days.

    The last is a parallel to Israel being raised on the third day. Hosea 6:1-2.

    As you may know all of these things already as you are a very wise man in Scripture. I just thought to look into and post what I found to you.

    Hope that may help some. God Bless you brother.
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Psalms 19
    Oops. Not Jonah 2:20, Jonah 2:10.
  • SkipVought - in Reply on Psalms 19
    Yes, Richard

    And Jesus said, "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."Matthew 12:40

  • SkipVought - in Reply on Psalms 19
    Richard,

    It always warms my heart when people search The Holy Scriptures and know The Holy Scriptures that are to make you wise unto salvation. A true Bearan: Acts 17-10-11.

    Those are three good examples!

    I like that you see that Abraham reckoned that Isaac was dead on the first day and he received him back on the third day. Hebrews 11:17-19. His faith is exemplified when he told his servants that "I and the lad will go yonder and worship, and come again to you." Genesis 22:5.

    Thanks for your swift reply. Please post again if you think of any other Scriptures. I still have other possibilities.
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Psalms 19
    Hello Skip,

    The Lord is so amazing. Tonight I just opened my Bible and read as sometimes I do just to let the Holy Spirit guide me. I was reading in 1 Samuel about the life of David. I really can't say it has any correlation to Jesus rising on the third day but as soon as I read it I thought of you and how it connects. In "his spirit came again to him" and "three days and three nights". 1 Samuel 30:12
  • SkipVought - in Reply on Psalms 19
    I'm sure that this spoke to your heart. Thanks for sharing.
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Psalms 19
    I appreciate your very kind replies my brother.

    You have noted another interesting parallel, with the details, in Joshua 2:15-18. Wonderful!

    God Bless you Skip.
  • Steve Anderson on Psalms 19
    The scripture tells us that there are three.... that we should know of...
  • Steve Anderson on Psalms 19
    The Heavens Declare the Glory of God.... ? How many Heavens are there....?
  • T - in Reply on Psalms 19
    Common Hebrew understanding of the heavens. The heavens in the Old Testament are fairly earth centered, much in the same way we look at the universe.

    The first heaven is the earth atmosphere. In this atmosphere, birds fly and clouds form. This heaven is spoken of often in the Old Testament. "The Lord will open the heavens, the storehouse of his bounty, to send rain on your land in season and to bless all the work of your hands" (Deuteronomy 28:12).

    The second heaven the Hebrews described consisted of the universe as we know it. This heaven consisted of sun, moon, and stars. "In the heavens he has pitched a tent for the sun . . . It rises at one end of the heavens and makes its circuit to the other . . . " (Psalms 19:4,6).

    The third heaven is the dwelling place of God. This was the experience Paul described. "In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven" (Matthew 5:16). God dwells in the highest heaven, "But will God really dwell on earth? The heavens, even the highest heavens cannot contain you" (1 Kings 8:27)
  • Chris - in Reply on Psalms 19
    The "heavens" & the "firmament" in Psalms 19:1 speaks about the universe & sky. The Psalmist declares that both the sky & universe with all that we can see in them are indeed a mighty spectacle & declaration of God's Handiwork & Glorious Power.

    In connection with this Psalm, Abraham Lincoln once said, "I can see how it might be possible for a man to look down upon the earth and be an atheist, but I cannot conceive how a man could look up into the heavens and say there is no God." And of course, he was speaking of the starry universe working together in perfect unison.
  • Me - in Reply on Psalms 19
    Only one Heaven with different venues , different mansions.
  • Steve Anderson - in Reply on Psalms 19
    PAUL SAID . I knew a man , either in the body or out of the body such an one was caught up unto Third Heaven, it stands to reason if there is a third Heaven... there must be a first and a second..... i believe that the relationship between the tabernacle in the wilderness and the three heavens are directly related with each other
  • Roland on Psalms 19
    What are presumptuous sins spoken of in Psalms 19 ?
  • Mishael - in Reply on Psalms 19
    What the Website Commentary says on this verse

    Wesley's Notes for Psalms 19:13

    19:13
    Presumptuous - From known and evident sins, such as are committed against knowledge, against the checks of conscience, and the motions of God's spirit. Dominion - If I be at any time tempted to such sins, Lord let them not prevail over me, and if I do fall into them, let me speedily rise again.

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  • Mild Bill on Psalms 19
    The heavens and earth are glorious and speak of God's majesty, but he shows us a greater glory in his word.What man may never discover in outer space or here on earth,is of little loss.What man may miss as God reveals himself through his word is tragic,with eternal consequences for many.As there is nothing hid from the heat of the sun,there is nothing hidden about the love of his son.What man needs to know,God freely shows.Heaven and Earth will pass away,but God's word will last forever. Richer than gold and sweeter than honey, here in your hands, before your eyes, for you, from him.
  • Carolyn Visconti on Psalms 19:14
    Psalms 19:14

    I woke up today with this psalms on my heart

    We need to be objective to our own selves what we say and do that it's pleasing to the Lord .. but then their are hidden sins which we may not be aware of . That's why we pray ; Lord forgive us our sins the ones we know & the ones we don't know

    God bless everyone
  • BSP on Psalms 19
    Verse 8-We must learn and love God's view of right and wrong. This will help us to be convinced as the psalmist was that living in harmony with God's standards is the best way of life.
  • Cole Frost on Psalms 19
    Psalms 19:14 is a great prayer
  • Mick on Psalms 19:13
    This is for everyone: we're not under the Law.
    However in Matthew chapter 5, Jesus reviewed some laws and stated some that are still in force. It's all in red ink, Folks. It's not meant to constrain, but to protect.
    What Jesus gave us was 2 new commandments.
  • Summer Babb on Psalms 19:13
    Hi! i think a presumptuous sin is when one sins willfully, and knowing better. Its not a sin committed out of ignorance.
  • Mick - in Reply on Psalms 19:13
    PRESUMPTIOUS SIN:you gotta go Google that one. One word, a whole lot of info
    Here's some examples: presume the mercy of God; sin against hope; carelessness with God and His Word; willful sin; deliberate sin; carelessness leads to callousness. And much more!! That's a SELAH: pause and think on these things
  • Victoria on Psalms 19
    The law of thy lord is perfect, if every souls keep them there is a great reward.


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