Psalms Chapter 19 Discussion

  • Adam - in Reply on Psalms 19
    Good morning Jerry. These verses come to mind:

    James 2:9

    Romans 2:11

    James 2:1-26

    Deuteronomy 10:17

    Galatians 3:28

    Acts 10:34

    It says all should be treated the same with no favoritism. A certain political group virtue signals that some of a certain skin color were enslaved by some rich people in their own political group about 150-250 years ago. But all those people are dead. No one they're referring to are alive to give any such reparations back to, except they assume that by giving it to descendants then somehow something is made right? You can't change the past and it seems wrong to steal from one group to pay others who were never enslaved. It also seems wrong to show favoritism and act like if you have a certain skin shade that you deserve more sympathy or more money or pandering. What we see on TV is a circus. The Japanese and Germans enslaved and killed people only 81 years ago, but people somehow aren't demanding money for that, but for something twice as long ago. Meanwhile, there are child slaves coming across the southern border trafficked from cartels and other criminals but people aren't as upset about that either. There are also people enslaved right now in China, countries in Africa and other places that don't have people as upset about either. They are alive, and are imprisoned. There are even people in the US itself imprisoned as slaves who had no trial and just happened to be at the politically wrong place at the wrong time, and they are still alive too. What I see is amazing hypocrisy about money and privilege and victimhood as a form of self-worship as if somehow one who was never a slave was harmed, rather than actually helping current slaves alive now. God bless.
  • JERRY WILKINS on Psalms 19
    Are reparations for african americans biblical????
  • Richard H Priday - in Reply on Psalms 19
    My friends where I used to live would often study Psalms in particular to see how many places were talking about Christ in particular; as opposed to God the Father and perhaps the Holy Spirit. It seemed much like hair splitting at times (although things like Psalm 22 are clear prophetically indicating Christ in His sufferings and later Millennial period in the future).

    I have been doing a Psalms project and am about half way through. David's Psalms in particular often talk about things that could either relate to Christ; and/or himself. Prophetically the amount these things intersect is quite interesting; and is not limited to Psalms; it is found in Isaiah and many other texts as well. This is another proof that no man could possibly invent the Bible; and the fact that much prophecy has multiple future applications is a further dimension bolstering that point.

    You could go to Romans 1 of course where the Godhead and knowledge thereof is said to be clear to all. ( Romans 1:19).

    That corresponds to the message in Psalm 19.

    Interesting in my opinion there seems to be less conceptually today in the "church age" or at least in what I have read and talked about with others the understanding of God the Father in the Godhead. Maybe it is my issue; I can see how God so loved the world from John 3:16 but of course we go through Christ even though we see God in Him and by the Spirit living in us. I find it interesting that before coming to faith I saw God in nature but didn't understand what was wrong with the world (didn't see my own sin at the time very clearly or at least only in specific areas). Once I came to faith I realized that it was only evidence of God I understood previously and not Christ as He was at all. Only later did I realize that I didn't know God at all before then after I understood Christ was in reality God in the flesh. Hope that makes sense! Now I can only anticipate the day when I am released from this old sinful flesh into glory!
  • Eugenia on Psalms 19
    The psalm points to our Lord Jesus Christ
  • Mary B on Psalms 19
    The word of the Lord is perfect
  • Richard H Priday on Psalms 19
    Psalm 19 along with Romans 1 demonstrate that all of the universe testifies to the whole world of the presence of God as well as to His order to the design of the universe. We can; therefore make a transition from the One who created the laws of nature to the written law and statutes ordained by God. (The word statute apparently means a specific enactment of a law).

    Some degree of apologetics here is in order to explain the most common objection to the statement of the sun and its apparent movements here on earth. (see also Job 9:7). Often this is dismissed as a superstitious viewpoint of the earth being the center of the universe with the sun revolving around it. When taking into account the movement of our galaxy; for example we see how the sun moves through it's own "circuit" as it were through our local system of stars and how in fact our galaxy moves in its cluster of surrounding galaxies through the universe. So; therefore there is a certain pattern that it has in regard to the bigger picture as the earth has. We also need to remember the verse in Joshua when the sun stopped for a day and the moon ( Joshua 10:13) as well a when the sundial returned back to where it was ( 2 Kings 20:1-11). There are historical accounts as well of supernatural events such as the sun and moon turning dark during the crucifixion in different parts of the world.

    Notwithstanding; of course it is clearly not a "bridegroom" as verse 5 indicates; so we need to take symbolic language if literal cannot b taken as should be the rule in all scripture!

    Note how law; fear; statutes and judgment are all things which we should think upon. This is the sentiment of verses 9 to 11. We are not given an indication what are "presumtous" sins (v. 13) or "secret faults." (v. 12). We do realize that in meditating on the Lord we are focused on Him and this readiness keeps us from slipping (see meditating day and night verse Joshua 1:8).
  • Adam - in Reply on Psalms 19
    Thoughts may enter into our head through a temptation, including an opportunity to sin that we didn't even expect or something we didn't plan for, but we still have a choice. It's a choice to dismiss those, to pray it away, to replace it with wholesome thoughts, and a choice to walk away from temptation. 1 Corinthians 10:13

    I have wondered the same thing about dreams, for example, because they too are thoughts and we appear to have no choice or control of it. I don't believe we can sin in dreams, but can through thoughts while awake. I also believe someone taking drugs or alcohol and is in a weird state of consciousness is 100% responsible for their sin even if they don't remember it. That is one of the dangers of taking things that lower our inhibitions. The verse James 1:15 explains it well how a temptation in a sense develops into or gives birth to sin.
  • GiGi - in Reply on Psalms 19
    Hi Donna, I agree. We do sin in thought, word and deed, and in things we have failed to do. Jesus said about adultery, if one lusts in their hearts (thinks lustful thoughts) they have already committed adultery. So, He is saying that thoughts of sinful things are sinful for us and we are to confess and ask for God's help in cleansing our minds from such thoughts. These sins of thoughts just go to reveal our sinful nature in us. It brings forth sin even when we least expect it. This is what is called "moral depravity". Even when we are not actively sinning in thought word and deed, we are still sinful in each moment because of the depravity of our being from this sinful nature that is part of us. In heaven, we will be rid of this sinful nature, Thank the Lord!
  • Giannis - in Reply on Psalms 19
    Dear Donna. Thoughts are thoughts and you can't stop them coming into your mind. Some are ours, some are put there by satan and some by God. When you realize that a thought is sinful just throw it away. If you don't and keep it in your mind and start "working" on it, it will eventually go down into your heart and then possibly will lead you to commiting a sin. So once you start working on it (which means that you have accepted that idea), it becomes a sin. ( James 1:14-15)

    A friend once said that metaphor "You can't prevent birds sitting on the branches of your tree but you can send them away."

  • BSP on Psalms 19
    Verses 7-9-we become wise by following the law of Jehovah God. Verses 8 and 9-living by God's standards brings approval from God and we enjoy a clean conscience and a good relationship with Jah.
  • Mishael - in Reply on Psalms 19
    The 10 Virgins Parable teaches us How To Be Ready. The Bridegroom will fetch Her to the Wedding Feast.
  • Robert Thompson on Psalms 19
    This is a real good commentary on the glory of God and His handy works, let us all worship Him for what He has done for all mankind, be blessed in the Lord.
  • Bro Barney - in Reply on Psalms 19
    You must interpret the Bible in context. Are you speaking of Mathew 24:39-42? You are correct, the taken in these verses are just like those taken in the flood ( Matt. 24:38); they die. Jesus was talking to the Jews about His second coming. The rapture of the church is not His second coming as He will not touch the earth at that time.

    1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

    There are many more passages that point to the church being raptured up before the tribulation period.

    God bless
  • Ralph Mayer on Psalms 19
    Do not believe this claim of a rapture before the resurrection. "Millions will be Left Behind after Jesus removes His Church from the Earth."

    This is a massive lie. Jesus seals His church to survive the terrors of that day.

    What did Jesus say about the great tribulation? Matthew 17:34-37 Jesus says the "taken" are dead, not raptured.

    Divine intervention occurs at the end, not before. The second coming of Christ happens after the great tribulation, when times up.
  • Carleton - in Reply on Psalms 19

  • A Prayer for Favor on Psalms 19
    Pray with me

    Dear God,

    Thank you for your great love and blessingover our lives. Thank you that your favor has no end, but it lasts for our entire lifetime. Forgive us for sometimes forgetting that you are intimately acquainted with all of our ways, that you know what concerns us, and you cover us as with a shield. We ask that we would walk in your blessingand goodness today.That your face would shine on us. That you would open the right doors for our lives and for our loved ones, that you would close the wrong doors and protect us from those we need to walk away from. Establish thework of our handsand bring to fulfillment all that you have given us to do in these days. We pray that you would make our way purposefuland our footsteps firmout of your goodness and love. Give us a heart of wisdom to hear your voice, and make us strong by your huge favor and grace.

    In Jesus' Name,

  • A friend on Psalms 19
    Psalm 103:2-5

    Bless the LORD, O my soul, And forget not all His benefits: Who forgives all your iniquities, Who heals all your diseases, Who redeems your life from destruction,

    Who crowns you with loving kindness and tender mercies, Who satisfies your mouth with good things,

    So that your youth is renewed like the eagle's.

    Jeremiah 17:14

    Heal me, O LORD, and I shall be healed; Save me, and I shall be saved, For You are my praise.

    Jeremiah 30:17

    For I will restore health to you And heal you of your wounds,' says the LORD, ' Because they called you an outcast saying: " This is Zion; No one seeks her."'

    Hosea 6:1

    Come, and let us return to the LORD; For He has torn, but He will heal us; He has stricken, but He will bind us up.

    Hosea 14:4

    I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely, For My anger has turned away from him.

    Malachi 4:2

    But to you who fear My name The Sun of Righteousness shall arise With healing in His wings; And you shall go out And grow fat like stall-fed calves.

    Psalm 30:2-3

    LORD my God, I cried out to You, And You healed me.

    O LORD, You brought my soul up from the grave; You have kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit.

    Exodus 15:26

    and said, "If you diligently heed the voice of the LORD your God and do what is right in His sight, give ear to His commandments and keep all His statutes, I will put none of the diseases on you which I have brought on the Egyptians. For I am the LORD who heals you."

    Deuteronomy 7:15

    And the LORD will take away from you all sickness, and will afflict you with none of the terrible diseases of Egypt (sin) which you have known, but will lay them on all those who hate you.

    Psalm 34:19

    Many are the afflictions of the righteous, But the LORD delivers him out of them all.
  • Philippa Bowles - in Reply on Psalms 19
    yes Isaiah 53 causes me to cry too or almost & scripture on the cross "it is finished" God used these two " by His Stripes you are healed " to remove any fearof virus
  • Philippa on Psalms 19
    Divine I understand but Kinsman... what does that word mean? is it a english ancient word
  • The Holy Ghost on Psalms 19
    (The Firmament.) O Israel, why do ye rest so dangerously in the weaver's web of falsehood? Why do you continue to trust in his lies? Know ye not that I, even I, the LORD your GOD, searched out all things in the earth beneath: even the sky above the firmament which is as a globe of hardened glass? Why must you delight in oppression? Who do you desire to prove? Know ye not, O Israel, that I endured the cross for your sakes: And that you are my children for ever, and are my beloved? Your secrets have you kept according to my commandment. I have given you secrets to reveal them to you: so that you can know that I AM the LORD your GOD. I AM your Saviour. Many spirits of the Gentiles have I knitted into my body in waiting for your awakening, O Israel. They now see my salvation and my mercy. The time is come that you too shall see, that the blindness be past: as it is the last time and the fruits of righteousness shall come forth. You shall see that I AM the LORD your GOD and that my mercy has no end. You have seen my doctrine, that was never leaked, as it was hidden in my heart. O Israel, you have given place to your idolatry in the earth beneath: but must you also pollute the heavens above with your imagery? know ye not that you are now in the midst of all evil? The oppressed have no good seed left in them as they are reconciled to GOD. The wicked fill that corrupt flesh as they deceive you in every way, in every place. Return to me O children: put off the way of evil and confess that JESUS CHRIST is the LORD your SAVIOUR to the saving of your souls: repent now and be reconciled to GOD in the peace of eternal life through JESUS your KING.
  • Charles R Peek - in Reply on Psalms 19
    Isaiah Chapter 53, see if you can read it without crying.
  • SkipVought - in Reply on Psalms 19
    Here is a differentiation that I think is important to keep in mind.

    There is ONE interpretation of Joshua 2:13-20. Any passage has ONE INTERPRETATION not many. It is not the same as this typology or picture of Jesus rising on the third day. The interpretation would be what a reader would have understood in 1300 BC or 20 AD. The correct interpretation is the message that the writer meant to convey not the interpretation you want to give it. There may be an additional message in a typology but typology is not allegory, which is reading into the text what is not there as the interpretation. For instance, studying Leviticus may be difficult apart from typology, but the typology does not change the meaning of what the Ark of the Covenant was to an OT believer.
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Psalms 19
    I appreciate your very kind replies my brother.

    You have noted another interesting parallel, with the details, in Joshua 2:15-18. Wonderful!

    God Bless you Skip.
  • SkipVought - in Reply on Psalms 19
    I'm sure that this spoke to your heart. Thanks for sharing.
  • SkipVought - in Reply on Psalms 19
    Well Richard identified 3 Scriptural allusions supporting "that he rose again the third day ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES," and Adam echoed 1 of those 3.

    This one I got from Chuck Missler. I am no Hebrew scholar and it took one to find this one. You might not find it as compelling as the 3 from Richard.

    "Then she let them down by a CORD through the window: for her house was upon the town wall, and she dwelt upon the wall. And she said unto them, Get you to the mountain, lest the pursuers meet you; and HIDE YOURSELVES THERE THREE DAYS, until the pursuers be returned: and afterward may ye go your way. And the men said unto her, We will be blameless of this thine oath which thou hast made us swear. Behold, when we come into the land, thou shalt bind this LINE of scarlet thread in the window which thou didst let us down by: and thou shalt bring thy father, and thy mother, and thy brethren, and all thy father's household, home unto thee." Jos 2:15-18

    CORD H2256 chebel

    also ruin: - band, coast, company, cord, country, destruction, line, lot, pain, pang, portion, region, rope, snare, sorrow, tackling.

    LINE H8615 tiqvh

    figuratively expectancy: - expectation ([-ted]), hope, live, thing that I long for.

    So between CORD (ruin, pain,sorrow) and LINE (expectation, hope)


    This passage is an allusion, by The Holy Spirit, to the sorrow of the cross, three days in the grave and the hope of the resurrection: "ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES"

    This event occurs just prior to the people of Israel crossing the Jordan and entering The Promised Land.
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Psalms 19
    Hello Skip,

    The Lord is so amazing. Tonight I just opened my Bible and read as sometimes I do just to let the Holy Spirit guide me. I was reading in 1 Samuel about the life of David. I really can't say it has any correlation to Jesus rising on the third day but as soon as I read it I thought of you and how it connects. In "his spirit came again to him" and "three days and three nights". 1 Samuel 30:12
  • T - in Reply on Psalms 19
    Common Hebrew understanding of the heavens. The heavens in the Old Testament are fairly earth centered, much in the same way we look at the universe.

    The first heaven is the earth atmosphere. In this atmosphere, birds fly and clouds form. This heaven is spoken of often in the Old Testament. "The Lord will open the heavens, the storehouse of his bounty, to send rain on your land in season and to bless all the work of your hands" ( Deuteronomy 28:12).

    The second heaven the Hebrews described consisted of the universe as we know it. This heaven consisted of sun, moon, and stars. "In the heavens he has pitched a tent for the sun . . . It rises at one end of the heavens and makes its circuit to the other . . . " ( Psalm 19:4,6).

    The third heaven is the dwelling place of God. This was the experience Paul described. "In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven" ( Matthew 5:16). God dwells in the highest heaven, "But will God really dwell on earth? The heavens, even the highest heavens cannot contain you" ( 1 Kings 8:27)
  • Adam - in Reply on Psalms 19
    Ok, I read too quickly and understand you want just old testament:

    Hosea 6:2
  • SkipVought - in Reply on Psalms 19
    Adam, none of the New Testament had been written when this creed was first spoken, just a short time after The Resurrection. The only "Scriptures" they had would have would have been the writings that we know as The Old Testament.

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