Psalms Chapter 17 Discussion



 
  • Richard H Priday on Psalms 17
    We are reminded here in the first few verses of several verses; first the one in Hebrews 7:25-26 of the Spirit "ever interceding" for us. I am also thinking of James 1:5 of seeking wisdom; and verses such as Isaiah 26:9 and many others on seeking God at all times.

    Verse 4 and 5 are also similar to Psalm 119:105 on God being a "lamp unto our feet."

    Verses 6 through 14 could once again involve Christ prophetically or David himself as to enemies being justly recompensed. Verse 13 has a brief impreccatory word for "casting down" the wicked. We can look at Psalm 103:16 and no doubt many others on wealth being left to others of the wicked. (see also Jeremiah 5:28; Psalm 22:21).

    The last verse about awaking and beholding His face in righteousness as well as having His likeness no doubt has allusions to the Resurrection and our eternal glorified state.

    It may be well here with these repeated themes to consider how we should have as David did a "perfect hatred" for the wicked. ( Psalm 139:22). Such can only be with one filled with the Holy Spirit (as our own wickedness would make us judge others in the flesh with an unrighteous standard and also would condemn ourselves with such hypocricy). It is for jealousy of the God of Israel alone and His exalted state as the only Creator and Sovereign Lord that should lead us to a disdain of the world; the flesh and the Devil. It should also compel us to be preachers of righteousness for His Name's sake; knowing that God is a God of wrath as well as mercy; but that it is in this lifetime that we must be Born Again.
  • Donna G.Warren on Psalms 17
    Kilts were worn since medieval times not just modern times in Scotland & Ireland . .Each clan had its own tartan colors to tell the difference between clans . Back in the day women wore long skirts or dresses ,in modern times they wear shorter skirts & dresses long skirts & dresses are for more formal occasions . Just speaking from my cultural history . Girls are permitted nowadays to wearing pants to school ,etc It wasn't permitted back when I was in school to wear pants to school except in cold weather @ first & then finally whenever. The past 15-20 years wearing shorts. I am glad to see the fad of baggy ,saggy pants showing undies seems to have past. I think this verse is speaking to modest dress & appearance . For women particularly wearing immodest attire can attract attention one doesn't want .
  • T. Levis - in Reply on Psalms 17
    Additional Scotland, Irish men wore Kilts, resemblance of skirts, less covering than trousers. 1 Timothy 2:9,10
  • David - in Reply on Psalms 17
    Hi Brad within the church let everything be done decent neat and in order that is for believers including manner of

    attire 1 Peter 3:3+4 for women basically nothing indiscreet the unbelievers anything goes, but that's the world.
  • GiGi again - in Reply on Psalms 17
    And who determines what clothing is strictly for men and what is strictly for women? The Bible does not itemize what is men's or women's clothing. Each culture throughout time has its own norms, and these norms can differ between cultures of the same time period. Something to think about.
  • Mishael - in Reply on Psalms 17
    I know. Last I checked, teenagers don't want to work to buy their own clothes. So it's the parents who $buy$ those clothes.

    How have we become so weak and malleable that we trade cash in hand for 2 hrs of peace?

    Our mother had the answer! Housework, laundry, cooking for 7 people, free lawn care, free babysitting and more!

    Lev. And Deu. Outline cycles of correction. If parents don't love their kids by correcting them: God corrects the parents in cycles. Each worse than the last one. The final cycle being that the children consume the parents. [live at home till they're 40, take money for nothing, etc]. It's meant to be painful enough for parents to change. Listen to God. He's trying to help us.

    Yes I trained my kid the same way. He bought his first house at 21. He launched himself.
  • GiGi again - in Reply on Psalms 17
    Chris,

    Thank you for the update. I guess perhaps climate played a part in whether people wore pants of just tunics or combo. But, I am glad you looked it up.
  • Chris - in Reply on Psalms 17
    Thank you for those extra thoughts, sister. I thought to check further when pants/trousers were first seen. Wikipedia tells me that the first sign of this was in (what is now) Western China & was dated between the 10th & 13th Centuries BC (this was learned from digging through ancient cemetries & the pants were made of wool, with straight legs & wider/loose fit nearer the hips).

    And there have been various forms of pants, worn by both men & women, ever since. Though the wearers were initially criticized for wearing such strange apparel, it slowly became acceptable in society over the centuries. But you're correct that forms of the tunic & pants are still worn today, an example of which is seen in Pakistan & parts of India, where both men & women wear the 'Shalwar Kamiz', meaning, a loose pleated pant with a separate long tunic reaching to knee length worn over the Shalwar; yet what is worn is clearly different in cut & design for the two genders.
  • Brad - in Reply on Psalms 17
    I recall the law saying it's wrong for women to wear mens clothing , what's the principal behind that ?

    Like wise men don't wear womens clothing .
  • GiGi - in Reply on Psalms 17
    Mishael,

    I agree. Look where we have come to in our present day. So many women dressing seductively. It is hard to tell the difference between the way a prostitute dresses and the way many women and teens dress. I pray for our culture swings back to modest dress styles. But, in this time in history, I am thinking it may get even worse.
  • GiGi - in Reply on Psalms 17
    Thank you, Chris.

    This customary law in Deuteronomy is interesting. How does it apply to us today. I think you explained it well. I do think that the clothing was similar. I do not think that men wore pants in those times. Most wore tunics. But in today's culture in our society, men and women are dressing similarly (like wit tunics in the past) with pants and shirts. I think the important takeaway is to dress with modesty, both men and women, and, both should not try to imitate the opposite sex in their appearance or persona.

    Thank you for blessing us with your wisdom and knowledge.
  • Chris - in Reply on Psalms 17
    Hello. You maybe thinking of Deuteronomy 22:5: "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God."

    If this is the verse in question, I understand that within the culture & acceptable norms for Israel, the sexes were not to resort to wearing the clothing that was appointed to the other sex. Even though their garments might have looked similar (as it probably did in those days), there would have been a clear distinction (whether by its cut or pattern) that differentiated between the two.

    Today, a kilt is sometimes worn in Scotland & though one could consider it a type of skirt for women, that culture allows for men to wear it & women to wear an ankle length tartan skirt. Likewise, trousers & jeans are common garb for both men & women in our culture, whereas if a man wears a woman's skirt & maybe with high heels, he may be considered highly suspect. So, if a woman chooses to wear trousers, unless having to wear special clothing on a work-site, her trousers would be specifically cut for a woman & a clear distinction is made & seen, as with all her clothing; though jeans are probably a neutral garment & therefore an exception.
  • Mishael - in Reply on Psalms 17
    1 TIMOTHY 2:9-10

    1 TIMOTHY 4:1

    There are other (sort of) dress code scriptures. A Christian woman doesn't dress worldly; showing a lot of skin in too tight clothing. My opinion.

    Read those scriptures.
  • Chukwukadibia eze on Psalms 17
    Is it good for a woman to wear trousa
  • Jack Gutknecht on Psalms 17
    1 Lord, hear the right, regard my cry,

    My prayer from lips sincere;

    Send Thy approval from on high,

    My righteousness make clear.

    Thou in the night my heart hast tried,

    Nor found it turned from Thee aside.

    2 With steadfast courage I design

    No wrong to speak or do;

    Thy path of life I choose for mine

    And walk with purpose true.

    For help, O God, I cry to Thee,

    Assured that Thou wilt answer me.

    3 O Thou that ever savest those

    Whose trust on Thee is stayed,

    Preserving them from all their foes

    By Thy almighty aid,

    Let me Thy loving-kindness see,

    Thy wondrous mercy, full and free.

    4 O guard me well as one doth guard

    The apple of the eye;

    While deadly foes are pressing hard,

    To Thee, to Thee I cry.

    Do Thou my rest and refuge be,

    O let Thy wings o'er shadow me.

    5 My enemy, grown strong in pride,

    Would take my life away,

    A lion lurking by my side,

    Most greedy for his prey.

    Confront and cast him down, O Lord,

    From evil save me by Thy sword.

    6 Defend me from the men of pride,

    Whose portion is below,

    Who, with life's treasures satisfied,

    No better portion know;

    They, with earth's joys and wealth content,

    Must leave them all when life is spent.

    7 When I in righteousness at last

    Thy glorious face shall see,

    When all the weary night is past,

    And I awake with Thee

    To view the glories that abide,

    Then, then I shall be satisfied.
  • Mishael - in Reply on Psalms 17
    I agree with you for God to heal your thyroid problems. It's important to get a MRI of them every year to compare with the last one you had.

    Fear not. Give thanks to the Lord for He cares for you.
  • Vanessa - in Reply on Psalms 17
    Amen! God Bless
  • Mary wilson - in Reply on Psalms 17
    We must keep our eyes on the prize. and fear not. God is always with us through troubling times.
  • Vanessa on Psalms 17
    There is times we feel so alone but we are never alone, God is always with us, sometimes we are in the desert, search our hearts and draw nearer to him, pray and glorify him always, he will never forsake you. He is a good God, a loving Father filled with mercy and grace we cant even imagine. Let us seek being the apple of his eye, not to the world. God Bless
  • Manuel Moreno on Psalms 17
    As many psalms this one is talking about being rescued from those who plot evil against Gods people.It is also reassuring the author himself if of his inocence as hey says in verse
    3.You have searched my heart through out the nite and have found nothing.We see hear also and exemplified as God being a Redeemer and an eagle protecting it's children.Many of Gods characteristics and traits in this P.
  • Cynthia on Psalms 17
    THIS WEBSITE IS AWESOME,AM STUDYING PSALMS 24 ALSO.GOD BE WITH YOU ALL IN THESE LAST DAYS...
  • Samantha on Psalms 17
    i was talking to God yesterday and the holy spirit showed me psalms 31. i was telling a fellow co worker that God as got me. then in the back of my mind psalms 17 shouting at me. i was over whelmed just reading this. oh sweet it is to trust in Jesus. oh sweet it is to kwn that all that am going thru am not alone
  • Mild Bill on Psalms 17
    The Psalmist is saying a prayer in which he seems alone, and he is, until v.11. God stands with him as the remedy to his woes before a common enemy.The sword and hand of the Lord are under the control of God, but they have no hope of eternal life, as believers do.God's covenant with us is stronger than the powers of the lost of this world. Awakening with God is greater than all the things we face.
  • Teral on Psalms 17
    God is good people and bless the lord and his people
  • Doxie Lambert on Psalms 17
    So sorry to hear this but i hope by the help Of God you will be able get through
  • MockingBird on Psalms 17
    I want to be kept by the power of God and to be the apple of His eye. I also want to be hid under the shadow of His wing. My life is hid with Christ in God .
  • Norm on Psalms 17
    For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
  • BSP on Psalms 17
    The psalmist was asking to be cherished by God. He wanted to be under God's loving protection.
  • Patrick Aquila Nqobizitha Nkosi-KaNdaba on Psalms 17
    WOW! WOW!ENDLESS TIMES! THIS IS NOTHING, BUT AN ACT OF YOUR OBEDIENCE ON YOUR PART TO OUR KING OF Kings, OUR TRIUNE GOD,USING YOUR SITE AND THE RESOURCES AT YOUR DISPOSAL TO ‘SPREAD TO ALL THE EARTH ABROAD', THE LOVE OF JESUS, THEREBY REDEEMING ALL HUMANITY ,IF WILLING ,UNTIL OUR BRIDEGROOM,JESUS CHRIST,OUR LORD COMES BACK TO FETCH US, HIS BRIDE,THE CHURCH WITHOUT WRINKLES!CONGRATULATIONS!


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