Proverbs Chapter 7 Discussion



 
  • Tennis Lee Perry on Proverbs 7
    What does the bible say about going to heaven if you commit suicide
  • Don't Take Your Life__Take His - in Reply on Proverbs 7
    If you're not born again and filled with the Holy Spirit, you don't want to know.

    Someone who is born again, stops all the plans God had for your life. Maybe you're old and sick?

    You don't even know how your life impacts others.

    There's a link on this website: BECOME A CHRISTIAN. See.I think if you're going to throw your life away, you should just give it to Jesus.

    Don't be hasty. Jesus is returning real real soon.

    We're going to see signs and events that positively mean Everything he said about it, is true. We've all come this far. Why skip the best part.

    Check out that link. K? I was gonna take my life too. (36 yrs ago). I stuck it out. I'm happier than puppies playing in a mud puddle.

    Keep coming back in here. God uses people like me and you. It's gets better.

    Mishael
  • Robert on Proverbs 7
    How can I pray in the Spirit when I've grieved and quenched the Holy Spirit ? A friend of mine gave me Godly advice to pray in the Spirit to get back in a right relationship with God. But I'm having a difficult time doing that because of sin in my life

    Which I have repented of.
  • Michael homan on Proverbs 7
    This is in response to Debbies question,and to All

    In addition,to other Appropriate comments.

    God said 'If any man lie with another man,They shall surely die'

    He's not talkin about natural death,but Hell death.

    the book of Leviticus is another,that shows God's decree's of this subject matter



    just a reminder/suggestion,type in subject matter in this sights Search engine box.

    It will bring up anywhere in the Bible that has those words.....

    its the Best thing a computer can do
  • Debbie Barclay on Proverbs 7
    What does The Bible say about someone being gay ? Homosexual and telling them that it is against God am I wrong for doing This? What Bible verses can I share ? Where does it say woman was created for man from his rib ? man is not to lay with man ? Woman is not to lay with woman ? man and woman was made for each other ?
  • Tomas - in Reply on Proverbs 7
    Homosexuality is a grievous sin and has severe consequences, including AIDS, STDs, etc. Homosexuality is demonic, and any who practice shall be cast into the lake of fire and burn and be devoured by the worm--for eternity.
  • Mishael - in Reply on Proverbs 7
    Romans chapter 1

    24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

    25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

    27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

    29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

    30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

    31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

    32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
  • Chris - in Reply on Proverbs 7
    Just to add to the other brothers' good comments & to present another dimension to this difficult & awkward matter: I believe that if a person is convicted over sin or in the case you presented, if one should approach you to ask of a biblical perspective of the matter, then one is rightly obligated to reveal God's Word to them in a gentle, loving way that presents the Heart of God to gather in & save all sinners.

    But if I could direct you to God's unchanged determination. When God declared the 'moral' laws & requirements to His people, it wasn't because the people suggested it to Him & wanted instruction, but that God took the initiative to give His people moral direction & the penalty that resulted through disobedience. What we have today, is that God's Word, indeed the Living God Himself, is no longer in the minds of the people, but that "every man does what is right in his own eyes" (as Israel often did). What should have been the foundation & pursuit of governments to hold onto God's directions for mankind, has become to pass laws that reflect community inclinations & desires & the voices of the 'academics' that present the result of their studies & their imaginations.

    So when the committing of adultery, murder, striking one's parents, witchcraft/divination, incest, homosexuality, etc. were brought before Moses & others, the death penalty was given. How far we have moved from God's requirement for such sins. Instead, many of these sins are seen as a normal part of human behaviour & not subject to any laws. As far as I know, only Islam pursues these actively. And so over time, society has been conditioned to accept such behaviours & sins as acceptable. So what I'm saying here, is that in a society as we are in now, it would be very difficult to promote God's requirements when even the acceptance of a God in Heaven or His moral code for us is both unknown & unacceptable. If someone enquires of this, then the Word & your explanation of it can only be shared.
  • Tomas - in Reply on Proverbs 7
    There has been a moral collapse in America of colossal proportions. America has gone from a morally healthy, God-fearing country to a world center of gross depravity and immorality, a modern-day Sodom and Gomorrah. We live in a country that has lost its moral bearings, a country that doesn't know right from wrong. It is a society where shocking, numbing, gut-wrenching things are happening. Our supreme court has openly affirmed the dominance of the rights of gays. Our country has openly taken its stand - a stand against Goodness, Righteousness, and Morality. It has affirmed its commitment to Immorality and Depravity.

    The position of the Bible on homosexuality is crystal clear. There is no ambiguity in it. Its position is that it is the wickedness of the n-th degree, that it leads to hell, that those who practice it will be damned.
  • Chris - in Reply on Proverbs 7
    When a government no longer has God's Word at its base & to be used for administering proper conduct & justice for its citizens, it has then descended into the deceptions & grips of Satan believing it is serving the people well.

    And this applies not only to America which has had a strong foundation on God's Laws & some God-fearing men but to many other countries who are so deceived. When the voices of the people (often the minorities) move the government rather than the clear mandate from God & clear code of conduct for righteous living & governing no matter what the era, then society begins to collapse both morally & spiritually. And so what we have today are countries who believe that their citizens are now well served by fairness, equality, & opportunities for all, but care not at all for the real reasons for the rampant crime, breakdown of societal values, & complete disregard for the God Who was once permitted to fill the hearts & minds of His appointed leaders. It is very pleasing to see your strong stand Tomas, & your correct perceptions of depraved societies that we have now, glossed over with niceties that obscure their true condition.
  • Carleton - in Reply on Proverbs 7
    Hello Chris, I agree that things will not go well for an individual or individual's country the more they turn by the hardness of their hearts or agreements and promises of God. However, 1 Peter 2:9-12 , gives us a better hope and rest as well as expectation. We need as Christians to abstain from fleshly lusts to keep our stranger and pilgrim status and protect our soul from the world. The decay of the world in sin is expected because it is not our home because God gave His only Son for us who is in Heaven. So whom is the minority? the stranger or the worldling? But we as Christians can have an honest walk (our conversation) for the hope that they too may someday glorify God in the day of visitation. We as strangers and pilgrims are the chosen generation and the peculiar people and by our Faith we protect the world in time continuing for others like ourselves who were once in darkness to be called out of the same by repentance and faith. My belief is the more we participate in trying to outwardly hold the world in order the more we are quickening it's end and thereby upsetting the harvest.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Proverbs 7
    Amen Carleton and Chris.

    I believe Homosexuality and same sex marriage has overtaken the nation to where its the norm, And being legalized by the government that is when our cup is filled!!

    Not to mention abortion!!

    We have a lot of blood on our hands from the beginning,

    Unrepentant Homsexuals is going to have a lot of company in Hell.

    And prayer, how important is that?!

    We have taken it out of school!!

    "All" this dark world will be under judgment,

    "We the Church" is to be a light to lead people out of darkness.

    But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

    1 Peter 2:9.

    We're strangers and pilgrims. We should walk that way, but the world, Apostasy, and pride has crept in the Church.

    Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall. Proverbs 16:18

    We parallel with Sodom in more ways than just Homosexuality. Look at the sins of Sodom here in

    Ezekiel 16:49-50.

    Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

    And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

    God has never done more for a nation than what he done for Israel, but look what he says about Israel.

    Ezekiel 16:48. As I live, saith the Lord GOD, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters.

    They had written laws by the hand of God that had no need to be AMENDED!. Laws written on stone condemned the word!!

    Us like them started with written laws we never held true to.

    But now we have in the Church what the world nations never had and never will,

    THE HOLYSPIRIT IN US. A Royal priesthood, A Holy Nation, Called out of darkness into his marvellous light.

    God bless you brothers.
  • Carleton - in Reply on Proverbs 7
    God bless our conversation. We can walk together in our infirmities by His grace.

    Thank you brother.
  • Chris - in Reply on Proverbs 7
    Hi Carleton, as I read your worthy comments & considered the world's condition & the temporal residence of the believer here, the verses that continually came to mind are in Matthew 5:13-16:

    "Ye are the SALT of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men. Ye are the LIGHT of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."

    Regardless of far removed the world has gone from the holy requirements of the Lord, as children of the Light we must continue to beam out its rays to a world overcome in darkness. The world must never lose that witness of God's Presence & Love that they may come to know Him & have a mighty standard before them to reveal their gross errors & departure from the Truth. However, with the Church at large resembling more of the world than the Holy Body of Christ (by its Love, Purity & sharing the Gospel), the focus ought to be turned upon ourselves first to see how dim our light beam has become & how savourless our lives have been to the world. God will use our lives to be witnesses of His Grace but unless we walk as children of that Light & affecting the world around us in some way, our lives are near to being useless & all we do is to live for our comfort & security in our 'holy huddles', alienating ourselves from a desperate dark perishing world. We ought to "be hated of all men" - then we know that the world of darkness is being shaken by God's Light. But unfortunately, we prefer to be loved by all. Every blessing to you brother in the Truth.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Proverbs 7
    Hi Debbie,

    Here's a verse to consider when witnessing to those in question and when using those great scriptures Brother Adam gave.

    Often when we try helping someone or pointing out some wrong in them, then they seem to get offended and turn the focus on you,

    Here's Paul:

    Galatians 6:1 (KJV) Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

    Note:

    "He that is spiritual."

    "considering thyself."

    Listen at the Lord:

    Matthew 7:2-4 (KJV) For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

    And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

    Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

    Please understand I'm saying anyone's a hypocrite,

    I'm saying THAT WE DO MINISTER TO PEOPLE IN A WE TO RESTORE THEM OR/AND TO LEAD THEM TO SALVATION.

    "Using the word of God and you're not condemning. The truth and the word is simply being displayed.

    I personally think it's our duty to be a instrument that bares light, and if my light is dim it's me lacking spirituality in my life but THE WORD REMAINS TRUE.

    Hopefully someone else can shed more light on this.

    Fruit inspecting, restoring,

    I hope that helps
  • Adam - in Reply on Proverbs 7
    Hello,

    Link

    As far as whether appropriate to call out others' sin, I personally would not in most situations. If openly called out to someone's face or in public, I think it sometimes has the opposite effect, because someone may be viewed as 'judging' others, and since everyone is imperfect, you may be highly scrutinized and the next time you sin yourself or make the slightest mistake you might be branded as a 'hypocrite' and their perception of Christianity may be even lower than before.

    I personally think everyone is born with right and wrong- a moral conscience. When people who don't know God commit sin they usually feel guilt in my opinion. I think only through conditioning can this be suppressed. I think people know homosexuality is unnatural and wrong and will have feelings of guilt already that they have to suppress in order to continue that. I think the same guilt is present for a variety of perversions like sodomy, incest, bestiality. Of course those committing it will defend it rigorously with a logical fallacy by claiming you're denying them the ability to 'love', but obviously it's the act itself. People are commanded to love everyone as ourselves. Love the sinner, hate the sin. ButI personally think the best strategy is to love others and withhold your comments until you build rapport and if you show you care they someday may ask you your opinion and you may at that time have credibility. No one would be alive today without the symbiosis of male/female.

    Adam and Eve: Genesis 2:23

    God bless...
  • Carleton - in Reply on Proverbs 7
    Thank you Adam.

    God bless your thoughts.
  • Carleton - in Reply on Proverbs 7
    Brother Chris, I held back from writing the same thought in

    Matthew 5:13-16 ,that you would confirm this in me as also one in Truth.
  • Rick on Proverbs 7
    Question I have. When king David led Israel's army to defeat all enemies, clear the land of inhabitants so Israel could live in the land promised by God, can we say David's motive was love and obedience or anger and vengeance? Also, when Jesus cleared the temple of money changers and vendors was His motive love and obedience or anger?
  • Chris - in Reply on Proverbs 7
    Rick, rather than analyse the two scenarios you gave, we could look at the human emotions & responses that we give to external influences. We often categorize such emotions as being good or evil; that we should cleave to the one & avoid the other. But is that the correct way to consider them?

    Often such emotions & resulting responses are not necessarily bad or evil in themselves: they're dependent on the reason for it & the manner in which it is given. Even Love: we often see that as a good emotion to have & the highest form of expression to another. But Love could also be carnal & not for the other's benefit but maybe because of self-centredness. Or, Honesty: 'honesty is the best policy' is the adage, but one wouldn't share all the good & bad of a person when an enquiry is made - one could then be accused of being judgemental or biased. Obedience: a good trait, but should we then obey the Devil or one who's leading us into error?

    You mentioned Anger. Anger is also one that can be good or bad. We have to ask: 'for what reason are we found with anger in our hearts?' Are we angry because our sins/weaknesses have been exposed or are we angry because God's Name is defamed or someone has been treated badly or unfairly? And then comes Vengeance (as you asked): this is one emotion/action that falls into the 'bad' category. Vengeance can never be good as it requires one to commit a wrong to try & correct a (supposed) wrong. "Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord." Romans 12:19. This is one emotion/action that we have to withdraw from as only God can deal properly with the perpetrator of the wrong.

    So David's emotion of Obedience & Anger would be justified, if his only desire was obedience to God & having the same emotion as God had towards idolators or the enemy. And Jesus' venting of Love or Anger too, can be seen for His Love for the Father, being in one Mind with Him, & angered at the abuse of the Temple of worship & prayer - yet He loved the people.
  • Carleton - in Reply on Proverbs 7
    Amen. Thank you Chris.
  • Mishael - in Reply on Proverbs 7
    Sometimes it helps to use the word SEARCH box. Search wrath, anger, backbiting. You get the whole panorama on the word and it's use in a sentence.

    Romans 13:4

    For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

    Romans

    Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

    2 Corinthians 12:20

    For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:

    Galatians 5:20

    Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

    Ephesians 2:3

    Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

    Ephesians 4:26

    Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:

    Ephesians 4:31

    Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
  • Joseph P Hackney on Proverbs 7
    Not only does this proverb use the example of a man giving into sexual desire, I can't help but to hear Satan beguiling Eve in the garden and she ultimately falling out of favor with God because of it. And then suckering Adam into the same trap. At the end of the day, this is a great example of how Satan constantly tries to beguile born again believers into his traps of sin and bondage, whether it be sexual sin, drunkenness, greed, or whatever sin we are prone to be weak for. No matter how beautiful an opportunity may be, we must never be so quick to "Jump into bed" with every opportunity that is presented to us. If we would only be strong enough to respond in true Christ Likeness Character, we would respond in the same manner that Jesus responded to Satan when he was tempted in the wilderness.... "It is written"....

    I pray that everyone who struggles with temptations be strong enough to withstand the devils offers on Jesus Name.

    Resist the devil and he shall flee from you.

    Amen.
  • Aiyalama Elishana on Proverbs 7
    Always keep GOD is commands
  • Stephen Skinner on Proverbs 7
    While recovering from sexual sin I wrote this poem THE MOUNTAIN
    There looms a mountain before me it s top I cannot see, how long I ve been climbing I remember not, seems to me the time has come for me to return to where I m from, as I turn I see just how far I be come so now I ll take a step the step above... This proverb reminds me that God can deliver me from any sin just like he did king David.
  • Obbie Beal on Proverbs 7
    Above we learn of a beautiful but deadly trap. 1000's of years such trap has conquered all who did not have Jehovah, GOD, Wisdom and Understanding. Verse 23 perfectly describe our end when trapped by the above circumstance. But John 3:16-21 offer us SALVATION thereby the Power-of-GOD is available to deliver us from such a self inflicted evil straight jacket and destructive circumstance.
  • Patty Tozi on Proverbs 7
    Praise God..At the ending of life you start to judge yourself by the wrong turns you took-- when you went the opposite way of God's way He had set up for you. Instead of a easy way out you chose the opposite. Now what do you do but suffer. Stop-- turn it around-- show the enemy of this world what you have now! GOD BY YOUR SIDE!! Now go for what God always wanted for you.... CHANGE FOR THE BETTER!!
  • Patty Tozi on Proverbs 7
    I have learned to use wisdom if you step into a rot of Satan's Lies. If you continuously go back and forth into that sin and not ask God's forgiveness. You are slowly destroying your Body which God gave you Life with the Holy Spirit. And all you want to do is sinful Lust-drugs-smoke-drink commit self to Satan. STOP NOW! God is close to be your Judge in the end of Life. Don't let Satan rule you!!!
  • Erica - in Reply on Proverbs 7
    How has the death of Christ benefited us as Christians?
  • Phil - in Reply on Proverbs 7
    Erica, are you asking as a Christian or as a non-believer?


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