Proverbs Chapter 24 Discussion

  • Levi - In Reply on Proverbs 24 - 1 year ago
    Whereas in the food laws, eating unclean foods are not a sin, but are an abomination unto you.
  • Levi - In Reply on Proverbs 24 - 1 year ago
    Is good advice yeah!, Is still a sin, most often yeah! only thing is abomination means, disgusting or detesting unto Him or unto you as the text may infer, it depends for example Proverbs 29:27 An unjust man is an abomination to the just: and he that is upright in the way is abomination to the wicked.
  • Adam - In Reply on Proverbs 24 - 1 year ago
    Hello, laws are laws too, but also have very different degrees of severity from accidental theft to mass murder. In a court of law, assuming no political bias, if judges are honest they will punish one way more severely than the other.

    I see no evidence that God views sin differently. Sin is sin, but sins are likewise very different in severity. Some who love sin may be incentivized to say something like "sin is sin" to try to downplay their own sins and disgrace to God.

    I couldn't find any verses saying that all sins are the same, but found verses saying sins are different:

    John 19:11

    Also, Jesus clearly says that all sins can be forgiven except for one and if you commit that sin then you will NOT be forgiven. Matthew 12:31-32 So violating this seems to be a fast ticket to hell. In this age of assumed self-righteousness and hatred towards Jesus, this should be a wake up call and deeply scare some people.

    In Proverbs 6:16-19 God lists 6 sins He hates. This again, is another list separate from other sins.

    Already in these 3 verses we see different treatment of sin in terms of severity, so it would seem hard to conclude that mass murder is exactly the same as telling a white lie. God already tells us through these verses there is a difference.

    Some assume that James 2:10 suggests that all sin is the same, but that's not what it says. Those who by works try to be perfect and fulfill the "whole law" are going to fail, and even if someone violates 1 law of 1000 laws, for instance, someone obeying 99.9% of the law still is not fulfilling the "whole law" of 100% and is thus a sinner. This verse doesn't say all sins are exactly the same, but is about being a transgressor and not keeping the whole law.

    If anyone has any verses in the Bible saying "all sins are exactly the same" then we can look into this more, but I am not aware of any such verse in the Bible.

    2 Corinthians 5:10 is another verse on this topic.
  • IbiwoyeM78 - In Reply on Proverbs 24 - 1 year ago
    No sin is sin no big sin or small sin
  • Duncan - In Reply on Proverbs 24 - 1 year ago
    don't worry about what sin you will be judged with or what sin has bigger wrath.

    all you need is to repent or likewise you will also perish

    another thing to remember is that God will Judged every man according to his deeds and every knell will bow before Jesus our God and maker

    Luke 13;3

    3I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

    Romans 2:5-6

    5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

    6Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
  • Cheryl Glenn on Proverbs 24 - 1 year ago
    Recently at a bible study a comment was made that sin is sin and they are all equal. But if God calls some sin "abominations" does that not mean that some sin s carry more weight than others?
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Proverbs 24 - 1 year ago
    To be more clear on my first statement. If a brother is in need of help and you have it and turn him away, whether you're gambling or not it's a sin. So that actually may not make gambling a sin but it put something ahead of doing what is right to do.

    1 John 3:17-18. But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

    My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Proverbs 24 - 1 year ago
    Hi Gloria.

    I never had an interest in gambling.

    Thanks for this question because it brought on some answers I never considered such as it being done for just entertainment.

    I see nothing wrong with that other than if it becomes a habit and you see a brother in need and you are able to help but you turn him away so you can support that habit, then I believe that that gambling/habit becomes a sin.

    I can also see a scenario where you have a need met by an answered prayer and the Lord persuades you to gamble as a possibility. "You would probably know by the results".

    And there is those who lust after wealth and have an uncontrollable desire that can cause anything he or she desires for to be a sin. So it's the intent in the heart is where the sin lies.

    Here's where it gets tricky.

    So if God does persuade one to gamble and we apply Romans 14:23.

    " And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for WHATSOEVER IS NOT OF FAITH IS SIN."

    If you do it and look at it as a gamble, Is that not doubt?

    If you do it and have faith in God and meeting the need, Is that really a gamble?

    What happens if God persuade you to do it and you don't. Isn't that sin?

    It's tough to know! We can make anything a gamble by placing doubt in front of it.

    God bless.
  • Henry - In Reply on Proverbs 24 - 1 year ago
    Hi Gloria See God knows your heart and your condition and met the need

    That's why I don't judge a. Only God knows your heart and b. He know your

    Personal situation so that being said God Bless.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Proverbs 24 - 1 year ago
    Hello Henry,

    Thank you for sharing that. Yes, a need was met. Their debt was paid. I really cannot comment much on this other than to say that if God's Spirit persuaded them to place a wager to pay off a debt, and they obeyed that persuasion, then they did the right thing.

    What I am seeing is that they had a need. They were in debt and they needed money to pay off their debt. I do like and agree with your previous post where you said "Here's the question if we are to believe God to supply all our needs through Jesus Christ then why gamble because God does not work by chance."

    So, I must wonder, was there any other way they could have gotten themselves out of debt, other than gambling or placing a wager? Like you said, "Why gamble?" Then again, if that was the means God used to supply their need, then I have to say all is well.

    There are so many ways we can look at the issue of gambling. But I think it all boils down to one thing. Is the Lord putting it on a person's heart to gamble? Is this something He would lead a believer to do? Adam has shared a link with several pieces of scripture which I do appreciate. I read through those verses shared and could not help but notice the word covetousness. To covet means to want more than you have, more than what the Lord has provided.

    I think covetousness is sinful. So, why would someone want to gamble with their money? Is it because they want more money than what they have? I have gambled in the past. I gambled because I wanted more money than what I had. Was I not satisfied with what the Lord had given me? Could I have considered my gambling as a form of covetousness? By the definition, I would say yes. I gambled because I wanted more money. Isn't this the reason why anyone would gamble with their money? Was I being a good steward with what God gave me when I was gambling what He has provided me away?

    Again, thanks for what you have shared. God Bless!
  • Gloria blair - In Reply on Proverbs 24 - 1 year ago
    Thank you for answering my question. Yes my husband and son won some money and continue to do so because we have some great needs. I do not work myself and was in the hospital for three weeks with pnuemona and my husband had to look after me over 6 weeks with no pay. I truly believe that the Lord look after our needs and He sure looked after me in the hospital I was close to death and my Sovereign Lord sure took care of me surrounded by precious people bragging I've had all my shots and boosters and I haven't. The precious Holy Spirit gave me the words to say to the doctor and he never pushed anything on me to God be the glory. I'm sorry to go typing on but I want to thank you for your comment and not being judgemental. God richly bless you in all of your endeavors for His glory.
  • Henry - In Reply on Proverbs 24 - 1 year ago
    Gloria. Another question is what the purpose or motive in the time or thinking

    If it were Godly you would win to meet a specific need and the exact amt. Like

    When Jesus prayed a fed a multitude with a few fish and bread and it was

    Enough to meet immediate need. Not judging just an observation.
  • Henry - In Reply on Proverbs 24 - 1 year ago
    Jesse. I know of a few Christian's that were told of persuaded by the spirit

    To wager a certain way to pay off debts and they received the exact amt.

    They needed. That is meeting a need other than that I don't see it Scripturally

    Being right. P.S. those believers never did it again.
  • Blackfoot - In Reply on Proverbs 24 - 1 year ago
    Great post Henry . I don't think Christians should gamble . We are to trust in God to provide for our daily needs , remember when the Israelites wandered the desert ? God provided everything they could possibly need . We are like those Israelites now , wandering in the wilderness waiting for God to bring us into His Kingdom . We must trust in Him to care for us and if we don't always get what we want we have to trust that God has witholden something from us for our own good .
  • Jesse - In Reply on Proverbs 24 - 1 year ago

    I would say that if the Lord is putting it on someone's heart and persuading them to gamble with their money, than it should be okay for that person. I do not gamble because the Lord has put it on my heart not to gamble. I cannot speak for anyone else because if the Lord is leading them to gamble, who am I to say it is wrong for that person.

    I do agree with GiGi that it can take over a person's will power and ruin a life. I have seen it happen to some people who were close to me.

    In anything we do, and it doesn't even need to be gambling, it can be anything, but whatever it it, does it glorify God?

    I'm probably the oddball here, but I always like to fall back on Romans 14:23 which says, "That which is not of faith is sin."

    That word faith literally means persuasion. That's what faith means, persuasion. So if I keep that in mind, anything I do, apart from God's persuasion (Persuading me to do whatever it is I'm doing), for me that would be sin.
  • Henry - In Reply on Proverbs 24 - 1 year ago
    Gloria. Here's the question if we are to believe God to supply all our needs

    Through Jesus Christ then why gamble because God does not work by chance.
  • GiGi - In Reply on Proverbs 24 - 1 year ago
    Hi Gloria,

    I, too, think that it is ok to participate in gambling. However, like other things (alcohol intake) it can take over someone's willpower and bring ruin to one's life.

    But some can gamble as a kind of entertainment and not spend more than they intend and their winnings and losings balance out. My Mom was one who was able to play bingo or other types of gambling with self-control. She kept track of her winnings and losings and pretty much stayed even. So, as entertainment, it was money spent for that. She did not go to movies, out to dinner, or most other types of entertainment.

    But other people may be more prone to risk taking in many areas of their life, gambling being one of them. It is not the act of gambling that is wrong, it is the need for risk taking that leads to sin.
  • Adam - In Reply on Proverbs 24 - 1 year ago
    Hi Gloria,

    I personally think gambling is fine and not a sin as long as it does not come between you and God and is not a stronghold, is not an addiction or a love, and is not through "vanity." Proverbs 13:11. Strong's says vanity is something transitory or unsatisfactory. Others translate this into dishonesty or fraud. I'm currently not thinking this applies to wagering money, but perhaps tax collecting, crooked attorneys, ponzi schemes, surprise fees, billing department dishonesty, or perhaps other activities that are illegal and deceive and harm people.

    My personal view on this is that all of life involves risk and not just with money, but with our time, relationships, activities, work, etc. Naturally we try to mitigate risk and seize opportunities. Investing is Biblical, but involves risk, such as the stock market. Buying insurance is betting against yourself, so that's gambling too. So does trying a new restaurant or accepting a new job or moving. So, in my current understanding I don't believe gambling is a sin, but I am open to anyone's Bible verses to support another view and specifically what someone thinks wealth through vanity means. God bless.

  • Luke - In Reply on Proverbs 24 - 1 year ago
    It's intertainment, I still like rock n roll, classic mostly, but as long as you take care of business, i.e Yo family, stuuf, it's intertainment.
  • Gloria blair on Proverbs 24 - 1 year ago
    What is your opinion on sports betting even if you play with the house money.
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Proverbs 24 - 1 year ago
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  • Edwin Muir on Proverbs 24 - 1 year ago
    Proverbs 24:26 Italicized are not worthy additions on this verse, as there are they that reject a wise, timely, truth at times.

    The attrition rate in Chrisendom is grevious. Partly because of unfaithful translations, and also sharer's lack of anointing. Also mess with our memory verses. We know *GOD* keeps *HIS* WORD. Unfaithful supposed do gooders have lots to answer for. Rev 22:18,19.

    Thankfully some better KJV publishers still show the italicised.
  • Dav47 - In Reply on Proverbs 24 - 1 year ago
    Back in early days the farmers always built their barn first. That way they could still work, have a place out of weather to sleep, house animals and most importantly a place to store the grain. After they established their business and up and running well, they could then build a nice house.

    On spiritual side you do not want to open a church before you even read a Bible, it will fail. First seek GOD, study HIS word so you have a firm foundation then if GOD calls you to build "bethal" HE will even supply you the bricks to do so.

    Php 4:19 But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply on Proverbs 24 - 1 year ago
    Apparently from commentary preparing the outside property and analyzing sufficient resources are available before building a house. This reminds us of Christ admonishing us that people will mock if we build a tower and don't have enough money to complete the work. ( Luke 14:28-30). Clearly; financial planning needs to be sufficient along with resources when undertaking any task; and this takes wisdom.
  • Proverbs 24_7 Meaning - In Reply on Proverbs 24 - 1 year ago
    Proverbs 24:7

    Wisdom [is] too high for a fool

    It is out of his reach, he cannot attain it; natural wisdom, or the knowledge of many things in nature; at least it seems so to himself, and therefore will not take any pains, or make use of any means, to obtain it; as the knowledge of human laws; of medicine, of philosophy, of languages, or of any of the liberal arts and sciences; or he has not really a capacity for it. This is more especially true of spiritual wisdom, or of the knowledge of divine things in a spiritual way; or of the things Of the Spirit of God, which a natural man cannot know, because they are spiritually discerned; it is God only makes men to know this kind of wisdom in the hidden part, ( 1 Corinthians 2:14 ) ( Psalms 51:6 ) ; for as a "fool" here denotes a wicked man, let his natural parts be what they will; so wisdom spiritual knowledge, and experience of divine things, which is too high for an unregenerate man to reach;

    see a like phrase in ( Psalms 139:6 ) he openeth not his mouth in the gate;

    he is not qualified far it; and if he has any knowledge of himself, he will not venture to speak in a public assembly, in the house of parliament, in a court of judicature, or in the company of men of knowledge and sense; and indeed it is his highest wisdom to keep silence, and not betray his ignorance: and so with regard to spiritual things; a man that wisdom is too high for, and he has no share of it, shall not or ought not to open his mouth where Wisdom cries; even in the gates of the cities, or in the public assemblies of the saints, ( Proverbs 1:21 )
  • Bill - In Reply on Proverbs 24 - 1 year ago
    Depends how you interpret it, Sounds to me as if you already plan your life before birth then you live to fulfill your lifes path, then if you dont fulfill your path you return again to do it all over.
  • Mary Lou Gnade on Proverbs 24 - 1 year ago
    What does proverbs 24:27 mean?
  • Faith on Proverbs 24:3 - 3 years ago
    Wisdom is a concernment for understanding what is going on within a physical entity or within your very own structure of self. As the previous line talked of evil men because their heart is full of destruction. Do not eve be around them. By having the understanding of whom you are as a person you have established that foundation. Even if it was a physical entity you have the understanding of how the foundation is built. If a marriage you know the foundation already because you have established it by being wise and shunning evil. So a house could be many things but the key to it all is that you have shunned evil to build the house and based on that you have the foundation on which it is built on.
  • Adam - In Reply on Proverbs 24:1 - 3 years ago
    We are in the world, but should not be of the world. Romans 12:2
  • Thaddous G on Proverbs 24:1 - 3 years ago
    It seems like the ones who are wicked are having all the fun. Like the world is always accepting to those who belong to it. However we should not feel left out, but should leave out from amongst them and not desire to be around ungodly men; knowing that their ways will not be blessed in the end.

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