Proverbs Chapter 20 Discussion



 
  • ELB - in Reply on Proverbs 20
    Amen, Brother Alex, if Christ (the word(s) are in us and we are in the word(s)), we are in the BOOK OF LIFE. The SEED awaiting the harvest.
  • Alex N - in Reply on Proverbs 20
    Marke you are so right GBU We should not partake in any kind of liquor..But we must remember what Jesus said its not the things that goes into our mouths that DEFILE us but the things that comes out of our mouths that DEFILE us,..What comes out of our mouths comes from the HEART and its the things that come from the HEART of a MAN THAT DEFILES HIM...Just as Jesus the living word washed their feet it was just prophetic that the living words that new covenant is gonna wash our hearts...You are made clean by the Word that i have spoken unto you...Abide in me and I in you.

    ...... the foot washing was just prophetic of a heart washing via his Words the contents of the book that New Covenant...Then we will all sing a NEW SONG...The blood and the living word are the same...Simply b/c Jesus was the living Word made Flesh and Blood...And talking about the Blood, Today is April 2 nd...which answers to Abib the 14 th the beginning of Passover...according to the old Hebrew Calendar...But now his Blood is applied to the Doorpost of our hearts to them that hear his WORDS...He wrote that Book with his own blood...Thats y it is called the book of life...My words are spirit and life...

    .....OK mi Voy Nesesita caf'e
  • Marke on Proverbs 20
    Proverbs 20:1

    Proverbs 20:1

    Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

    Christians should abstain from strong drink. There is no excuse for drunkenness or partaking in the fermented beverages that lead to it.
  • Moving from Darkness to Light - in Reply on Proverbs 20
    I think if you go on YouTube and watch a video of a preacher I once met. You'll understand better. You can't win this fight alone. You need all of heaven on your side. That means quieting yourself and give the fight to your Father in Heaven. Your anger attracts evil spirits. We have to cling to the Lord in these times.

    Don't give your power to the evil spirits who feed on anger. Satan's names are CHAOS AND DESTRUCTION; murder, envy, memories.

    God knows the Day of a persons death. It's scripture. No matter how much we want them to hang on, their time here is over. I'm not lying when I say that when my Dad was dying I would not let him go. He was drowning on food in his lungs. He had Alzheimer's. A spirit came into the room and said: LEAVE NOW! I'm taking him now! I left for 5 mins and when I returned, Dad was gone, but his face was relaxed and glowing; like joy. I knew he was in heaven now, but I still missed him sorely !

    Her terror was greater than your love to keep her. Realize she is with her Lord.

    Your children still need a quieted mother, because they probably feel they will lose you. Open your bleeding heart and let Jesus love you to wellness.

    We will see them again. Right after you see the Lord, you'll see your loved one waiting to see you.

    "The Authority of the Believer, with Charles Capps." He teaches us how Satan came to destroy our lives; and his evil spirits. He shows us how to get them out of our lives. All that anger gives them permission to make you feel worse. Don't turn away from Jesus's love and care of you.

    I must've cried an ocean of tears, but they washed away the pain. I wore Dads old flannel shirts for a while; then I gave them to my brother because he was hurting too.

    There is great peace that comes_later. Give the hurt to God. He will carry you for a while, until strength returns.

    Much love and prayers for your loss. Mishael
  • David - in Reply on Proverbs 20
    God Bless Terri My own admonition would be remember a certain man on a cross that some of

    His last words were FORGIVE THEM FATHER FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO. We plant we water

    we reprove we admonish but God gives the increase and delivers.
  • Rick - in Reply on Proverbs 20
    Hi Terri Queen The things you've shared are very understandably challenging and from what I gather

    your either angry or disgusted. When I have focused on a problem I've never solved it because I didn't go to

    God's word first get peaceful Col. 3:15 and ask for the solution. In dealing with others we speak the truth in Love, not

    judging but I personally have never told someone their going to hell if they don't believe, but I said your not

    headed in the right direction if you keep going in the one your in. I have a few relatives that are very religious

    but in a high minded self righteous pharrisitic way. Not saying you are but don't become what you dislike,

    remember wise as serpents and harmless. The world is geared to take away our peace hope joy and most our Love

    which from what I'm seeing is being worked on in an excellerated way. Which by the way 2 Timothy 3:13 evil will

    wax words and worse which is a gradual advance to hardening. The only solution for us to stay tenderhearted and

    loving and forgiving is being cemented mentally in Christ. Ephesians 5:1+2, by Gods Grace I pray you will be comforted

    in your mental pressure. It's challenging not to be overcome by the unbelief in our current society.

    Just thought I'd share some heart!
  • Free - in Reply on Proverbs 20
    Dear "TERRI QUEEN" do not get jealous of yours, no one knows how long it will take before you get any relief in this. I speak from my own experiences.

    Remember that in Him there is no injustice. A jealous spirit can destroy much much more. Please see Jesus on the cross in front of you. The blood that was the only sacrifice that could save the world. He did it for you and for me, yes for all of us. That belive in Him.

    By His power and strength we get boldness and deny all satanic works.

    Self-pity can go in the darkest room, and not return in the Holy Name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Be blessed and not loose your hope.

    Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
  • Chris - in Reply on Proverbs 20
    Hi Terri. We all face repercussions, to varying degrees, from time to time. Is your husband saved, or how does he take the backlash that others pour upon you? If he is on side, others will witness the resolve you both have to stand on God's Word. But if you're alone in this & undoubtedly feeling the pressure, rest assured that you have clearly stated your belief & that belief rests on God's Word. You don't need to nag them over & over again - the Word has come to them, you are blessed for issuing them the warning, now let God's Spirit 'nag' their hearts, that they might one day be convicted & be saved.

    I don't believe that it's a curse to strongly warn someone of their behaviour or their accountability before God. If that's the case, we won't have a Gospel to preach. A curse would be the words one uses & manner of delivery that puts the other person under some type of curse that will come from God. People certainly don't want to hear, 'You'll burn in hell', even if they don't believe in God (I've always thought that to be very strange).

    You have stood your ground & there is blessing & proof of your devotion to the Lord & deep concern for wayward sinful souls. Leave them alone, pray for them (Adam has given some good verses of encouragement), & continue to be a strong quiet witness of the Lord's Grace. My concern would be more for your husband & kids - they must truly be convinced of your Christian witness, both in the home & in sharing with unbelievers.
  • Chris - in Reply on Proverbs 20
    Hello Bob. I know that this verse can be very confusing, by its brevity & written style. There are a series of warnings given in this chapter, but to verse 16 in particular, the matter is all about where, or in whom, one should place his trust.

    The examples given are to a stranger & strange woman (i.e. an harlot, though some versions render this as 'stranger', as well). So, to make it easier to read, we could liberally transliterate it as follows: If a person is lacking good sense to be a guarantor to one whom he doesn't know, then take what you can from him (i.e. his garment), because of the great likelihood of the surety being lost to the stranger & the garment might be all that can be returned to him.

    Similarly, the other part of the verse could be rendered: if the man who owes you monies or chattels is so morally lacking to be given over to an harlot, then take a surety (or, whatever you can get) from him, for his lifestyle will lead him into folly & penury.

    Apologies for the lengthy transliteration; I think this rendering might help you understand this verse a little better.
  • Bob Harris on Proverbs 20
    I'm completely befuddled on the meaning of verse 16 in chapter 20 of Proverbs. I'd appreciate any insight. Thanks.
  • John Closson on Proverbs 20
    Pray for me and my family this world in I ask Jesus name
  • Chris - in Reply on Proverbs 20:5
    Brother Joseph. You've not erred in any way. You've come here to present something that has been weighing much on your heart & whoever reads your submission, must sense in a very real way, the pain & despondency you feel. The Christian life is not just about our spiritual strengths & weaknesses, but also the physical part of us that weigh us down affecting both the body & spirit. So by your sharing, I think many have been moved to pray for you & that you will sense the Lord's enabling to strengthen your resolve to abstain from unnecessary eating & to commit every part of your life (physical & spiritual) to the One Who delights to help us.

    Those were lovely pertinent Scriptures you quoted from John 6:32 onwards & Luke 12:31. As we feast on Him our Living Bread, He will feed us with what we need & will satisfy us completely. Jeremiah 33:3: "Call unto me (says the Almighty), and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not." Many have not even begun to taste the extent of the Lord's Goodness, simply because they have not, in faith, called out to Him. He delights to hear his children call on Him & He delights to answer them & reveal His Mighty Arm of Power & Love. May the Lord be very close to you in your journey with Him & supply you with what you need to be His overcomer.
  • Joseph Diaz - in Reply on Proverbs 20:5
    Thank you Chris but I realize I have erred in the faith not only because I asked a Carnal question but I realized I had to seek Christ Jesus because he is the true bread of life. Luke 12:31 But seek ye first the kingdom and all these things shall be added unto you.
  • Chris - in Reply on Proverbs 20:5
    And just to your other question about the Godhead: that's correct, when the term Godhead is used (as in Colossians 2:9: "For in him (i.e. in Jesus) dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."), it is understood that the Trinity is spoken of, as the Godhead in His Fullness constitutes the Person of His Son & the Person of His Holy Spirit.

    If any of the Persons were absent, then the Godhead (or, Trinity) would be incomplete & God wouldn't be God as revealed in the Scriptures & to our spirits. His Fullness & Unity are expressed as God the Father, the Son & the Holy Spirit: "these Three are One" ( 1 John 5:7).
  • Chris - in Reply on Proverbs 20:5
    Whenever we give all our attention, time, energies & finances to something that may give us satisfaction but not necessarily useful to us, then it becomes a problem & maybe, even sin. Since gluttony isn't generally considered as a major weakness by society when compared to other personal issues, it's easily overlooked, & we're just told to try harder to eat less at least for the sake of our health, as other problems of BP, cholesterol, diabetes, joint pain, etc. will ensue.

    But the core issue with gluttony, as with other over-indulgences we might give into, is that there may be other underlying issues causing that or at least there is a failing of putting life's events in the correct perspective & balance. The Apostle Paul shared this: "All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any ( 1 Corinthians 6:12) & "not all things edify" ( 1 Corinthians 10:23). He knew that there were many things he could lawfully do, but he had to reassess them whether by doing them, there would be any real benefit or even whether that act could bring him under its control. As a Christian, Paul was compelled to judge himself whether anything he did brought him under its power or did he still have personal control over it, thereby being the person God expected of him.

    If food, any food, has control over your life - you find that the urge to eat even when there is not really an appetite to do so - when your health & appearance suffer because of it, then you know that your craving to eat is a problem - that your eating is not just to satisfy hunger but possibly a crutch to cover over some other issue. Your endeavour to lose weight is commendable, but the core issue of gluttony is harder to deal with & will require God's help & a strong mind & discipline. The pain in abstaining will be there, but the results of good health & being an over comer for the Lord's sake, will be your victory & joy.
  • Joseph Diaz on Proverbs 20:5
    How do I know when I am given to Gluttony?

    I feel I struggle with it but I've been losing weight.

    also the Godhead is the real doctrine of Jehovah, Christ Jesus, and the Holy Spirit right?
  • Yahya on Proverbs 20:5
    can you just believe in religion and be china no .so you can't just be isreal but Cleaning to Israel and they ways and be of christ
  • Pastor Krupa Samuel Mothukuri on Proverbs 20:5
    It is useful to me.

    Thank you so much.
  • Joann Gordon on Proverbs 20
    good verse
  • Randall Randall - in Reply on Proverbs 20
    Absolutely not. Your are right to call God Father, I am, and many different names. He is all. Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end.
  • Frank Garcia - in Reply on Proverbs 20
    When we ask for something from God do we say God or in the name Jesus Christ why because he as been given all authority for now and forever amen.
  • Stanjett - in Reply on Proverbs 20
    Yes. I call God, God. He knows who I'm talking about. In one place He saying I AM. Should we call Him I AM. You can and you would not be wrong. I call Him God, am I wrong? I don't think so.
  • Adam - in Reply on Proverbs 20
    Hi Tobias,

    The Old Testament was the first writing about God and that book was written in Hebrew, which was the language of the Israelites and Jewish. If I write what God's name in another language it then wouldn't be in English anymore. Also, Hebrew uses different Hebrew characters so its not even possible to write that here and if it was, could you even read it? You can use the parallel view on this site to compare Hebrew to English though. So, it's my opinion that people often get fixated on what the actual names are in 'original' languages, however, my point of view is that we don't speak the original language, but English and it's already translated and correct. God is called God. He is also called Lord. Exodus 15:3. The pronunciation of Lord in English aside from the already-correct 'Lord' with hybrid characters is something like Yahweh, or YHWH, and Jehovah. Isaiah 12:2. Elohim = God in Hebrew.
  • Tobias on Proverbs 20
    my comments of the day:

    Where is the name GOD came from?

    What language used the name GOD first?

    Explains the meaning of G.O.D, purpose?

    Thank you so much

    can't wait to hear from you soon

    By!
  • TammieSogolon Sakidi on Proverbs 20
    I gathered great wisdom from this chapter. It explains the responsibility of our leaders. It is clearly establishing that the Lord finds their role in our lives important. This is why, I pray, for my leaders Mayor Perkins, Governor Edwards, Senator Kennedy, President Trump and all those in between. Be blessed in Jesus' name, Amen.
  • Obbie Beal on Proverbs 20
    4 The sluggard will not plow by reason of the cold therefore shall he beg in harvest, and have nothing......this lazy person failed to timely prepare for themselves because of the discomfort of working. 40 years of their life is sowed to the wind plus leaching parents, social programs, then one day they cry nobody will help me. At the least they could have planted, picked, dried black eye peas.
  • Terry - in Reply on Proverbs 20
    St. John 2:9-11 "When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: but the servants which drew the water knew the governor of the feast called the bridegroom, 10And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now."
  • Adam - in Reply on Proverbs 20
    John 2:10 is Jesus's first miracle of turning water to wine and it indicates people got drunk of this wine. So, this confirms it contained alcohol. Wine by definition is fermented grape juice containing alcohol and if it does not, then it is not wine, but grape juice. Both the word 'wine' is used and the word 'drunk' is used here.
  • Michael - in Reply on Proverbs 20
    strong wine is that has fermented long enough to get one drunk. i second Terry's opinion.
  • Terry on Proverbs 20
    Verse 1: There is a difference between pure wine - fruit juice and fermented - that which has been processed or allowed to get strong which then becomes strong drink We should know the difference and know that Jesus provided pure fruit of the vine. He was a pure and holy man.


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