Proverbs Chapter 1 Discussion



 
  • PROPHECY - in Reply on Proverbs 1
    Brother S Spencer:

    No one is going to change someones opinion, that's the Holy Ghost's job, we are just to preach truth.

    Truth does not contradict God's words.

    You don't go to heaven.

    You (sinful flesh) DIED on the Cross, you, the (glorified) BODY of Christ, was raised back by the resurrection of Christ.

    The Spirit (in a glorified body) goes back to God that gave it.

    Christ, the glorified Body, (LIFE and TRUTH) is in man ( Colossians 1:27).

    Philippians 2:13 For it is God (Christ in you) that worketh both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

    Those chosen in this age, WILL BE ONE with Christ: IN MAN bringing man to GOD ( John 1:51).

    Ezekiel 14:9 And if the prophet (of man) be deceived when he has spoken such a thing, I the Lord HAVE DECEIVED that prophet .....

    1 Thessalonians 2:11 For this cause GOD SHALL SEND them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

    The whole world is DECEIVED, only the Holy Ghost can reveal truth.

    1 Thessalonians 2:12 That they ALL (everyone of us) might be damned (JUDGED, now or later, by God's words) who believe not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    1 Corinthians 15:28 And when ALL THINGS (in the ages to come) SHALL BE subdued to him, the shall the Son also himself be subject to him who put all things under him, that God may be ALL in ALL.

    We either come to truth now; and become ONE with the WORD, in this age, or latter, in the ages to come. God's CHOICE.

    Psalms 22:27 And all the ends of the world SHALL REMEMBER (when they are resurrected back into bodies of flesh and judged by God's words) and turn unto the Lord: for all kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.

    ALL God's WORDS will be fulfilled ( Isaiah 55:11).

    God Bless You.
  • Grae - in Reply on Proverbs 1
    A tad aggressive perhaps ? Why do any of us ( including u and I ) come on here ? If not to state our beliefs and discuss with others ? Why do u get so wound up when some one says something that u don't believe ? I don't c why there should b one rule for u and one rule for everyone else . Maybe u just want a site where everyone agrees with u and validates your beliefs all the time . It's not a personal attack on u when someone doesn't believe the same things as u do . I'm outta here .
  • Alex N - in Reply on Proverbs 1
    Amanda God had a Divine purpose in mind for all the world when he made that great Promise that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven.... Gen 22:17 kjv ...Thats y the sower of the good seed wants to sow his precious seed in our hearts that we might birth a Baby Christ in our hearts (multiplication) ....Which is the ManChild the H.G. that is gonna rule all nations....God was so Passionate about this great Promise that he swore by his very self....God wants to live in humanity and be marrried to humanity via this Manchild the H.G. The gift of God which is the Kingdom in us....Thats y God wanted a new Covenant which wd be all inclusive....But this New Covenant had to be dedicated with the blood of JESUS...If i be lifted up i will draw all men unto me...God needed a lamb to dedicate this New Covenant...God saw that there was no man thus HIS OWN ARM BROUGHT HIM THE VICTORY...Jesus

    ......Whats the meaning of all this.... That God wd receive perfect Praise as Jesus said God is spirit and them that worship him must worship him in spirit and truth....HE SEEKETH SUCH TO WORHIP HIM....And its no wonder as he wants to be married to humanity.....And as Isaiah said he saw all the world at rest and full of his GLORY...12:41 KJV

    ......Jesus said outta of the mouths of babes and sucklings thou has Perfected PRAISE.....Isaiah said a lil Child is gona lead them....The babes and sucklings are his offspring...Isaiah said he wd see his seed and be satisfied

    ......And thats y he must be Multiplied as the stars of Heaven....That every man might get a measure of Faith a GOOD seed to birth a Baby Christ the H.G....The Children of Promise....Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in....
  • Adam - in Reply on Proverbs 1
    Hi Amanda, I don't believe God necessarily chooses to know what we're going to do. He's powerful enough that He can choose to be in our timeframe if He wants. God can also change His mind, based on human input, like on destroying Sodom and Gomorrah. We have free will to choose and its totally up to us, we're not robots. So, the purpose of life is in our choices- to follow God and obey, or to follow evil and satan. To love or hate. Life is one big test in my opinion. God isn't going to just let everyone into heaven to disrupt and cause chaos. Satan apparently had freewill in heaven to do that and defy God. Fortunately we have grace and can stumble and have many chances. Sadly, most people will reject Jesus and go to hell, but there's a chance we can help those who are lost to share the truth. Matthew 7:13
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Proverbs 1
    Earl.

    You said "The purpose of it all, is to bring God's creation to TRUTH.

    Creation is DECEIVED.

    Sinful flesh (man) DIED ON THE CROSS; a NEW CREATION (Christ in you) arose.

    THEN YOU QUOTE THESE SCRIPTURES.

    1 Corinthians 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ ....

    Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (Christ in you) that worketh both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

    HOW CAN WE BE DECEIVED BY THE GOOD PLEASURE AND WILL OF CHRIST.

    And according to your theology SO WHAT! WE ALL GO TO HEAVEN.

    Unless you are telling us that a deceived person will not.

    You never answered when asked IF ANY AND EVERY VIEW IS ACCEPTED. WHY DO YOU GO THROUGH SUCH INTENSE MEASURES TO PITCH YOURS.

    Why not let a person believe what he wants do what he wants if we all ends up with the same fate?

    Here's the question again for YOU.

    Why do it matter so much to you that we change our views and accept yours if in the end it doesn't matter? Not looking for verses, Just an explanation.

    Still Waiting.
  • Luke - in Reply on Proverbs 1
    2 Peter 3

    4 And saying, "Where is the promise of His coming ? for

    from the day the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as

    they were from the beginning of the creation."

    5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of

    God the heavens were of old, and the earth consisting of

    ... water and through ... water:

    6 By which means the world that then was, being

    overflowed with water, perished:

    7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same

    word are treasured up, reserved for fire unto a day of

    judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

    8 But, beloved, let not this one thing be hidden from you,

    that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a

    thousand years as one day.
  • Luke - in Reply on Proverbs 1
    Hosea 6:4 O Ephraim, what shall I do unto thee? O Judah, what

    shall I do unto thee? and your piety/faithfulness is as a morning cloud,

    and as the early dew it goeth away.

    5 This is why I hewed them as declared by the prophets; I

    have slain them by the words of My mouth: and My

    judgment is as light that goeth forth.

    6 For I desired lovingkindness/Love, and not sacrifice; and

    the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

    This is why I hewed them. Heb. idiom, by which the declaration that a thing should be done is spoken of the personal

    act of doing it.
  • Ronald Whittemore - in Reply on Proverbs 1
    Hey Luke,

    Can you please tell what scriptures or book the information is from that you are sharing on the first world age?

    Thank you,

    RLW
  • Luke - in Reply on Proverbs 1
    Obedience and faithfulness are good virtues, and it's what God asks of us, but what God wants most from us is our Love, to (Love)Him.

    You see, One of God's most highly decorated creation's rebelled against Him in the first world age, deceived 1/3 of His children to stand against Him, and Love not Him but Satan.

    So instead of destroying His Children, those who stood against Him, roughly 4 billion, and because He Loves them whereby no matter what they do, if they repent and return to Him He will accept them, thus receiving the gift of eternal life; He destroyed that world age, created this one, sending all souls through human flesh with a letter(bible) and free will to choose who they want to Love.

    God knows who you stood with in the first World Age,,, 1/3 stood with God, 1/3 stood with stood, and 1/3 stood idly by and did nothing.

    For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

    For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

    But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

    Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

    Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

    Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)
  • GiGi - in Reply on Proverbs 1
    Dear Amanda,

    If you are asking what is God's purpose in knowing all that we will think or do, I must say that God does not choose to be all-knowing. He is all-knowing by nature. But being all-knowing ensures that God will direct history to the end He wills.

    If you are asking what is the purpose for us to be able to make choices since God already knows what we will think or do, then their are several ways to think on this. One could think fatalistically thinking that since God knows all I'll ever think or do, what is the point of deciding anything or even caring about how I exercise my will, since God directs it. This is an unbiblical way of thinking.

    The other way of thinking is that because God is all-knowing He will determine certain things to happen to us to help us come use our free will to obey Him. He can determine ahead of time certain events to occur in our lives that will strengthen our faith when we are in doubt. He may bring people or events to turn someone away from doing evil or turn someone to do what is right. He can also bring people and events into our lives that will helps us to use our free will to come to Him, follow Him, and serve Him.

    God's omniscience does not interfere with our exercise of free will. He is far wiser and powerful enough to bless us, show mercy, and extend grace to us despite regardless of our own choices. He is truly the only FREE being, as nothing restrains Him or determines His ways or influences His choices. We, on the other hand, are influenced by our sinful nature and also by the Holy Spirit. We are limited in where we are born, who our parents are, etc. These are determined by God. We are restrained by forces of nature and by circumstances that make it impossible to do exactly as we please.
  • PROPHECY - in Reply on Proverbs 1
    Sister Amanda:

    The purpose of it all, is to bring God's creation to TRUTH.

    Creation is DECEIVED.

    Sinful flesh (man) DIED ON THE CROSS; a NEW CREATION (Christ in you) arose.

    1 Corinthians 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ ....

    Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (Christ in you) that worketh both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

    Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery ....Christ IN YOU .....

    John 17:23 I in THEM, and THOU in ME, that they may be PERFECT (Christ is the only one perfect) in one .....

    Psalms 82:6 I have said, ye are gods, the children of the most high.

    Philippians 1:29 For UNTO YOU it is GIVEN in the BEHALF of Christ, not only to BELIEVE on HIM (the word), but also to suffer for his sake.

    Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature WAITETH for the MANIFESTATION of the Sons of God.

    Why is creation WAITING?

    Obadiah 1:21 And saviours (God's SONS, Christ and his brothers) shall come on mount Zion to JUDGE the mount of Esau, and the kingdom SHALL BE the LORD'S.

    Psalms 149:9 To execute upon them the JUDGEMENT written, this HONOUR hath all his saints.

    Romans 8:21 For the creature itself SHALL BE DELIVERED from the bondage of corruption (death and the grave) into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

    1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things have been subdued unto him, then shall the son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that GOD may be ALL in ALL.

    Billions of people; dead and in the grave, are AWAITING the arrival of Christ and his brothers at the resurrection of the dead: to be brought to TRUTH.

    Proverbs 16:6 By MERCY and TRUTH iniquity is purged .....

    BELIEF will judge UNBELIEF.

    God Bless YOU, his body.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Proverbs 1
    Amanda,

    It is true that God knows ahead of time what we are going to do. This does not mean that it is God forcing us to do things. We make decisions on our own. But something we must keep in mind is that God knows our hearts. In other words, He knows what decisions we are going to make, whether those decision are right or wrong. And He allows us to make decisions. But on the other hand, I believe that what God expects from us is obedience and faithfulness.

    God is faithful to us, so it's not much for Him to ask the same in return. But we are constantly faced with decisions in life. What are we going to do? What is the Lord leading us to do? Do we follow the persuasion of God's Spirit in our lives, or do we go our own way? This is where the "God already knows who we are and what we going to do" comes in. He knows what decisions we are going to make because He knows our hearts.

    Did you know that we make decisions based on who or what we love the most? It's true! For example, the Lord might be leading me to go to Bible study on Thursday night, but the latest movie I have been wanting to see comes out in the theater the same night, and a friend paid for two tickets and wants me to go. Now I have a choice to make. So what do I do? What or who do I love the most? Again, the Lord knows my heart. He knows ahead of time what choice I am going to make. But He doesn't make the choice for me, I make the choice.

    So the purpose is that we are to remain faithful to the Lord. What is He leading us to do? He knows our hearts and what choices we are going to make. Are we going to be faithful?
  • Amanda on Proverbs 1
    My question is, If God already know who we are and what we going to do, then what is the purpose of it all?
  • Gods Master Plan for Mankind - in Reply on Proverbs 1
    Why not accept what is written in Genesis 1and 2?

    He chose soil and moulded Adam into the form all people would be. Since we have the elements within us now: of unique chromosomes and DNA, all of that would pass into future people born. God breathed life into Adams nostrils, the breath of LIFE. Adam was completed. A living, breathing HUMAN being.

    God Made Eve from just one of Adams ribs. She had the identical components in her body; plus the capability to bear children. A womb and breasts to feed her children.

    We do not know what color Adam and Eve were. Scientists cannot figure it out either. DNA and chromosomes are still mysterious to them. It's still a science not explained. A white woman can be implanted with donated sperm, and give birth to a black (or other colors) child. That's why they separate sperm now, and store it according to the fathers color.

    The old days restrictions (by families) of people intermarrying with people of different color, has been abolished. So we currently see what some people call " mixed race families.

    All of this is from Gods permissive Will for mankind. It was of man to separate us, and try to restrict inter- marriage.

    Restrictions God put upon the Jewish people, is that they marry other Jews. But people will be people, fall in love with other races and religions. The restriction imposed is that the children will be raised as Jewish.

    Myself, I'm what one would call a Gentile. Non-Jewish. I was raised in a Southern Baptist Church and was baptized at 12. I will end this there. I hope you can accept how God made this world and the people he put on it. Be at peace. May we do as God spoke into us: be fruitful and multiply.

    This world will end because God made a blood covenant with Israel, concerning their land. That was Gods decision.

    He made covenant with descendants of Abrahams son, Israel. Jesus is Jewish and we can receive him as savior and Lord; today.

    Streetpreacher
  • GiGi again - in Reply on Proverbs 1
    Part 2

    This isolation and repetition of a closed system of gene transmission would produce characteristics specific to each isolated people groups that distinguished them from other isolated groups. This would lead to different "races". But in reality, humans are all one race with consistent variations of characteristics that distinguish them as only human, just like the variations in horses are present but they are all horses, though different breeds created either through natural genetic transmission between an isolated group or manipulated by man.

    We are all humans created by God possessing the His image in a way that is not well explained in Scripture. Knowing that we all have this quality placed in us by God we can understand that we are different than the animals in abilities and in intrinsic value. This is why God emphasizes to us to value and protect human life and to avoid ending anyone's life through murder or gross negligence. He says this to Noah ( Genesis 9:6) and through Moses ( Exodus 20:13) and through Jesus ( Matthew 5:21-22).

    Jesus even expands this commandment by not actual murder, but by hating another or dehumanizing another person.

    We are to love our neighbor as ourselves and do good to others, avoiding harming them. We are to be compassionate and caring towards others regardless of their "looks", ethnicity, or status. We are to be welcoming of those that are not from our "area", treating them justly.
  • GiGi - in Reply on Proverbs 1
    Hi Larry, I found a good explanation on a site that I cannot remember at the moment concerning DNA in Adam and Eve.

    Part 1

    For a certain trait like physical characteristics each parent has a combination genes that can be transmitted. So, the example i found illustrated it this way:

    If both Adam AND Eve had AaBb for a specific trait then these combinations can be transmitted when an egg is fertilized by sperm to form a new person with a DNA genetic makeup that is a combination of the two parents.

    So the DNA transmitted for a specific gene can be:

    AABB AABb AAbb AaBB AaBb aaBB aaBb aabb





    With every child and any child, the combination can be one of these, with each child having a different combination or even the same. In this way, the dominant trait (capital A and B) usually prevails, but not always. So, with the myriad of genes, there can be much variety in characteristics of offspring in subsequent generations as they intermarry with one another.

    Genes that would determine characteristics that would lead to a certain race would emerge among the population. So, the entire population would not be homogenous. After the flood, Noah and family must have also possessed combinations similar to Adam and Eve. And the process would have been repeated as it was for Adam and Eve's descendants through Seth. The building of the tower of Babel was used by God to scatter people outward from the Mesopotamian plains to inhabit other areas of the earth as they continued to migrate outwards from this origin over time.

    As peoples settled in isolated areas and intermarried with one another, the DNA for specific genetic traits of these people would be repeated more often in their offspring than an anomalous DNA from their predecessors from Mesopotamia.
  • Why God has Love for Everyone Who Asks of Him - in Reply on Proverbs 1
    All races and colors came from the soil God used to make Adam. So what was in your soil, was passed from generation to generation; based upon the colors that married into your unique bloodline.

    In the past decades, the restrictions people had about intermarriage with other colors and cultures was lifted.

    We see today the results of that. I am an artist, and I can see the beauty in the blending of colors. I think that is how God views us. Unique and equally precious in His sight. It makes Him happy for us to accept ourselves and conquer our self-images of what we think is perfection.

    The more we know about the God of the Bible, and the universe the more we understand the plan He has for all of mankind. He isn't against colors in inter-marriage. He just doesn't want believers in Him to marry the Un-believers. Your going to meet lots of people who no one never told them about God.

    You have to decide who you are inside of you, and do you want Jesus to be a part of your life always.

    Personally I think it is great inner strength to just say no to the ugliness that is "out there". It becomes easier if you'll hang out with people your own age, in a church near you. You might have to visit 2 or 3, until you find one you feel comfortable in. God will help you choose if you ask Him to.

    You can come in here and join us in back and forth conversation any time. We're all different ages, USA and all over the world. Let your friends know about us :)

    Get to know everyone. Everyone can pray with you for specific needs. We're here around the clock. I'm your basic night owl lol.

    You are going to find you're loved by Jesus, and from all of the regulars in here. We're young, older, all colors; and we all love the Lord and his children. Ask anything.

    Streetpreacher
  • When Earth Was Turned Upside Down - in Reply on Proverbs 1
    Lucifer was a covering Archangel; 4th in line to Gods throne. He coveted Gods throne, and God had him thrown to earth. His name changed to Satan and his form was that of a serpent. He's described in Isaiah 14.

    I was taught Isaiah 24 is a view of pre-Adamic earth.

    Scientists have discovered and agree, what happened to earth killed everything at the same time; according to carbon dating of water and land animals.



    Isaiah 24:18 refers to Genesis 7:11 and Psalm 18:7 and Psalm 76:12. God dealt with the high demon princes. The flood killed every human or animal bodies, that evil spirits had overtaken. Isaiah 14

    Curiously, the scientists agree that the only life (carbon date proves it) that survived, were conies. Proverbs 30:26,

    Psalm 104:18. They survived in underground burrows when the dinosaurs were exterminated. Got water from plants alive underground!! That's amazing.

    Scientists agree, one single event extinguished all life on earth near the same carbon date. I believe what the Bible says: God turned the earth upside down.

    We serve a MIGHTY GOD! Why do we worry at all?

    I dutifully watch all those archeology shows on tv media for everybody, not just me. Little conies proved it; and they are in the Bible!! Read those Bible verses.

    We are going to be living with this amazing Godhead, in heaven, every single day. ( 2 Peter 3) He is going to purify earth of our lame creations like hideous skyscrapers. No orchards. landscapes of boxy single family homes :/

    I want to go to work with Jesus every single day; how about you?

    Get a Study Reference Bible, with the Center Columns that have the a-b-c notes that take you to additional scriptures that add more info to what you are reading.

    Yes you're going to get the full picture if you are willing to dig down like a Conie.

    Mishael
  • Ty - in Reply on Proverbs 1
    Hi Larry,

    Wonderful and thought provoking question. I will offer my understanding but look forward to someone who may offer a more appropriate response.

    Consider DNA. Many today are taking DNA tests to find they contain small percentages of DNA from other cultures or countries. Example: "white" person in USA contains 3% African DNA or 8% Native American. It comes as a surprise to many. What this means is that our grandfather or grandmother 10x over+ may have had a very different color of skin than we have now.

    Within the first man or men of creation there must have been many "kinds" of DNA, race etc. Rather, the first man must have contained all of the traits of all of the races. Was Adam light skinned or dark skinned? Was he both? Consider dominant and recessive traits passed through the generations. Most of us are just mutts!

    Food for thought.

    Hopefully this helps in some manner and again I'm sure someone with more accurate knowledge can offer a better response than I provided.
  • Rod - in Reply on Proverbs 1
    Genesis 11:1-10 I believe would answer your question,

    And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech."

    "Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth."
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Proverbs 1
    Hi Larry

    To put it the simplest way I can, let's look at it like this. God created MAN. Then he fashioned man by dispersion and there came the races. Hopefully someone can go in more detail.

    God bless.
  • Larry on Proverbs 1
    If god made one race of man where did all the other races come from?
  • Ronnette on Proverbs 1
    Those who understand the Kingdom of God are my mother, my brothers, my sisters, my sons, my daughters. We walk in the Spirit of one God (The God of Abraham, God of Isaac and God of Jacob), the Father in Heaven and His only begotten Son Jesus Christ, our only priest and mediator here on earth; for we are waiting patiently to meet Jesus or Yeshua" in the cloud.

    You know who you are. Keep the faith and the grace of God. I watch you here on earth.

    I love you all!
  • Dr. Lyle Lee on Proverbs 1
    :8 what I have found to be of great interest is the phrase "law of thy mother" this is understood in the sayings of the Apostle Paul, who taught us in Galatians 4:21-31 that Hagar is the old covenant, meaning the Ten Commandments written in stone and Sarah is the new covenant, meaning the Ten Commandments written in the heart. Here the Law of God is referred unto as Sarah for Christians, then the apostle states Jerusalem which is above is our mother as Christians, from these two statements we can interpret what King Solomon had hidden in his dark saying. Since our mother is New Jerusalem in the third heaven, the law from our mother is the Ten Commandments written in the heart, after we have figured this out, now we can try to digest the proverb, do not forsake the law of thy mother.
  • Kirabo Joy on Proverbs 1
    I love this and i bless the lord
  • Amarin - in Reply on Proverbs 1
    Psalm 127:1

    (A Song of degrees for Solomon.) Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.
  • Kent Bass - in Reply on Proverbs 1:26
    Hi Sandra Ellick. It is in Psalm 127:1. God Bless you!
  • David - in Reply on Proverbs 1:26
    Hi Sandra Look at Psalms 127:1 God Bless
  • Sandra Ellick on Proverbs 1:26
    It is not in the first proverb or first Psalm.

    This I do know.

    The scripture is

    "Unless the Lord builds the housevthey labor in vain who build it".

    Where is this ?
  • Sandee on Proverbs 1
    Where is found the either the Psalm or proverb that says

    Unless the Lord builds the housecthey labor in vain who build it.


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