Obadiah Chapter 1 Discussion

  • GiGi - in Reply on Obadiah 1
    I have researched the migration of peoples from the three sons of Noah, and it is believed that the descendants of Japheth migrated to Europe and peoples the lands there. Over the centuries, some from the tribes of Israel (including Jews) migrated north from Assyria and Babylon during the captivity and settled in Asia Minor, the Caucasus region, and north and west of that area. Also, the Israelites (including Jews) migrated to Greece, Italy, Spain, and northern Africa (around the Mediterranean shores) over the centuries after that, especially after A.D. 70 and the destruction of Jerusalem. And some of the people descended from Ham also migrated across the Mediteranean regions to the north. So, Europe was peopled by descendants of all three of Noah's children as they were scattered across the earth after the Tower of Babel.

    Many descendants of Ham migrated eastward and southward and settles Ethiopia, Egypt, and sub-Sahara Africa, India, and the far east. Some of the descendants of Japheth also migrated north and eastward and settled Russia, Mongolia. Shemites mostly stayed in the Mesopotamian/Canaan/Arabia area, but some did migrate outward from this area.
  • Patricia Trapp on Obadiah 1
    Esau is the progenitor of the European race.

    Esau is the enemy of Judah and always hated, harassed and despise his brother Jacob to this day.. and until TMH returns. The remnants of the children of Israel is currently in captivity, especially in the USA, Caribbean, central and South America.
  • GiGi - in Reply on Obadiah 1
    My understanding is that Arabs are descended from Esau.
  • Joyce Tremayne Pickett - in Reply on Obadiah 1
    Wrong, Esua is USA, Russia, Rome and Jacob is the Yahudahs.
  • Roman - in Reply on Obadiah 1

    What's most interesting here is Obadiah:10

    When did Esau ever place a mortal wound on Jacob? The last time theses twins met up was in Genesis 33, and even though Jacob feared Esau would kill him, for theft of the birthright, they exchanged gifts, and parted ways.

    Obadiah speaks of a future battle between these two boys, now grown up. The day of the Lord battle is the event they've been groomed for.

    God will use Esau (Russia) to destroy Jacob (US, NATO, ISRAEL: The Babylonian system).
  • Don Meadows on Obadiah 1
    Verse 1 is most interesting. Note the name "Lord" is twice used. This identifies The Son as working in concert with the Father.
  • Vicky - in Reply on Obadiah 1
    yes indeed!!!
  • Walter - in Reply on Obadiah 1
    When, date?
  • Ryan Palmer - in Reply on Obadiah 1
    Israel always says he's 6 months away, or is that Iran?
  • Mark guler on Obadiah 1
    Jesus christ is coming soon
  • Walter Bratton on Obadiah 1
    If Gog/thebeast(of Revelation), anti-christ did all that God asked of him, by destroying Israel/Babylon, then what turned God against hisprized army? Theanswer is "at thesame time" by doing God's will, thebeastthinks an "evil thought".

    Ezekiel 38:10-13

    10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that AT THE SAME TIME shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an EVIL THOUGHT:

    11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

    12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.

    13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?

    Daniel has a connection to vs 13 above:

    ( Daniel 7:24) And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them (anti-christ); and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings, [Sheba, and Dedan, and Tarshish].

    ( Daniel 11:42) He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. [Saudi Arabia, Egypt & Turkey?]

    The beast attacks 3 of 10 nations gathered unto him, nations dis-loyal thatsurround Israel. He subdues and spoils them by ground warfare (like Judah), not by annihilating them to dust like the house of Israel (Isaiah:13). God is mad because this violence has destroyed earth, knocked it off its axis ( Isaiah 24: 18) the sun, moon are ashamed. anti-christseeks a "Greater Israel Project" of his own, with limited time.
  • Walter Bratton on Obadiah 1
    Obadiah 1:10 For thy violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever.

    This is the 1st time we hear claim of violence against Esau. In real life, the last time Esau and Jacob saw each was on the trail, and Jacob feared Esau would kill him for stealing the birthright, ( Genesis 33). Any previous mention of Gog/the beast anti-christ were glowing. God used Esau's "sanctified" beast army to defeat Jacob (Babylon); anti-christ's army are described as "even them that rejoice in my highness". Gog/beast are Christian's from a (frozen) desert ( Isaiah 21:1). The times God brags about His "northern army" are many.

    He calls anti-christ's army, "His army", His "sanctified ones" and "His camp".

    ( Isaiah 13: 3-6) I have commanded my sanctified ones, I have also called my mighty ones for mine anger, even them that rejoice in my highness.

    4 The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the LORD of hosts mustereth the host of the battle.

    5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.

    6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

    ( Joel 2:11) And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

    What did Esau do to change God's mind into HATING him? Esau did God's will and destroyed Babylon, so what happened beyond that? What violence does anti-christ do to infuriate God?
  • Earl Bowman on Obadiah 1

    May CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature WAITETH (till the second resurrection) for the manifestation of the Sons of God.

    Romans 8:21 For the creature (creation) ITSELF shall BE DELIVERED (in the next age) from the bondage of corruption (death an grave) into the glorious LIBERTY OF THE SONS OF GOD.

    Obadiah 1:17 And upon mount Zion SHALL BE DELIVERANCE (in the next age), and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob (sons of God) shall possess their possessions.

    Obadiah 1:18 And the house of Jacob (sons of God) shall be a FIRE (created in Christ image and likeness; spiritual fire), and the house of Joseph (sons of God) a FLAME (spiritual fire), and the house of Esau (those resurrected back into their flesh) for stubble (to be burned and destroyed by SPIRITUAL FIRE), and they (sons of God) shall kindle IN THEM (Christ in you)(spiritual fire), and devour them (their flesh); and there shall not be any remaining (flesh; worldliness) of the house of Esau; for the Lord hath SPOKEN IT.

    Obadiah 1:21 And SAVIOURS (sons of God now exactly created into Christ image) shall come upon mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; AND THE KINGDOM SHALL BE THE LORD'S.
  • Andy G van den Berg on Obadiah 1
    On OBADIAH 3

    The Word of God is God ( John 1:1) and not for any private interpretation ( 2 Peter 1:20). If it records in Rev. 12:9 that this whole world has been deceived, it did not speak of a particular country, group of people, person or religion, it meant the whole world.

    For a better understanding and the 'spiritual truth' what it means to repent, and learn how and by whom ( 2 Cor. 11:13-15) this whole world has been deceived and what mankind must do to be reunited with the true and living God, we invite you to seek Him according to the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive ( Matthew 7:7; John 14:17).

    The word 'Repent' in different forms (repent, repentance, repented, repentest, repenteth, repenting), is mentioned 110 times in the KJV, and there seems to be a great misconception what the true 'spiritual' meaning of the word is. The word 'repent' used in the New Testament was translated from the Greek word "metanoeo", and means to change, transform, to think differently or reconsider.

    Only through Repentance will God be able to reveal Himself, and adopt you as His sons and daughters ( Rom. 8:15,23; 2 Cor.6:18; Gal. 4:5; Eph. 1:5; Hebr. 12:5; 1 John 3:1) and reveal to you how this whole world has been deceived ( Rev. 12:9) and overcome this world ( 1 John 5:4).

    The word 'Repent' means a lot more than what people by nature have been conditioned to believe. It is the key principle of all the teachings of Jesus Christ and the axiom (basis) of the Word of God and a prerequisite and primary requirement for the salvation of mankind. It means the changing of spirits - to turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God ( Acts 26:18).

    It is only by revelation of God that people will come to know the true Christ ( Daniel 12:4,9; Amos 3:7; Matthew 16:17; Luke 2:26; Romans 16:25; 1 Cor. 2:10; Gal. 1:16; Eph. 3:3,5; Rev. 1:1). It should also be remembered that it is a narrow way that leadeth unto 'Life', and few there be that find it ( Matthew 7:14).
  • Chris - in Reply on Obadiah 1
    Thanks for the explanation, Arissa. I think I understand your meaning now, as you said that it is a "twisted version of the idea". Maybe like a 'fall guy'. Anyway, no matter, I see what you're saying, and thanks for your explanation.
  • Arissa Nolastname - in Reply on Obadiah 1
    To Chris:Thanks for reading and for feedback. I don't think you quite get what I meant.

    I did not mean that Jacob was a scapegoat, but rather in the twisted version of the idea, he had to leave his home to go find his uncle so he would be "safe" from Esau.

    It's part of freemason corruption to twist things, to twist the Word of God.

    So, as you explained so nicely the meaning of Scapegoat, you see in the story that it is a bit twisted. It's a bit too complicated for me to put into easy words for someone to understand. It's how the occult works- so it becomes distorted, and unclear, but only in Christ can the wisdom,understanding, knowledge, & discernment be given so one can see things as they are, and not how they appear to be.

    The scapegoat idea in our day is when the "sins"/filth/persona of one person is dumped onto someone else who is being exploited for their "anointing",talents, ideas, energy etc. such that the person being used as the scapegoat is the recipient of the negative energy that comes from the person who is being masked behind the persona of the "scapegoat". The person who has been exploited is falsely accused, and cast away- sent away, kicked out, given the boot, excommunicated, locked up/incarcerated as white supremacists have done to people of color for years. So, the idea of the scapegoat is not the same as in the Old Testament context, but a twisted version of it.

    I know I'm still not being clear.

    It's too early to be thinking this and trying to explain it.
  • Patty Tozi on Obadiah 1
    God is closer then ever to His Children. In these dsys He will be walking close to whatever happens. You have chosen Him. He will take care of all our sorrows. He will make you Strong to walk boldly against this evil world. Walk in His Grace. Walk toward the Heavenly Light to your new Home in the Heavens is where you will be. Always remember you are Special to Him. In the end He will fight all the Evils that has hurt His Children. He always wins. For great Love can move mountains!!!
  • Chris - in Reply on Obadiah 1
    Arissa, I didn't realize that your comments came in three parts. Just a further comment on 'Scapegoat' in reference to Jesus. Again, with the meaning of Scapegoat, I can understand your application to our Lord, for indeed our Sins were placed upon Him at the Cross, but the whole idea of scapegoat (in particular reference to sin bearing, in the OT), was that one goat was the sacrifice for the sins of the people & the second goat had their sins transferred onto its head & then that goat was set free to run into the field or forest, never to return or to be retrieved back into the flock ( Lev 16:5-22).

    In the case of Jesus' Sacrifice, the Lamb of the OT is a foreshadow of what Jesus was appointed by His Father to accomplish. That is, instead of the priests sacrificing a spotless lamb from the flock to give temporal covering for sin, God provided His Lamb, pure & sinless, from (within) Himself (His Word) to fully pay for & redeem sinners forever: and this Sacrifice was the only One acceptable for full payment. So again, I wouldn't see Jesus' Sacrifice as Him being our Scapegoat in its full & logical sense, rather our Sacrifice.
  • Chris - in Reply on Obadiah 1
    Arissa, that was an interesting read & also about those who hide "behind the mark of Cain".

    Just the matter of "scapegoat": as you know the meaning of that word is "a person (or, group) made to bear the blame for others or to suffer in their place". I can see how you interpret it this way, but I question whether Jacob was made a scapegoat & still enjoyed peace. I would not connect the meaning of Scapegoat to the situation described here. I don't think Jacob was a scapegoat: he did wrong in stealing his brother's blessing & therefore was advised by his mother to 'make a run for it', but Esau himself did foolishly, in selling his birthright for a some pottage in the first place. I don't see that either of these brothers were guiltless & so there was no transference of sin onto another. As well, Esau didn't do too badly himself, as he married & raised a large family & army & of course settled in Edom, becoming the father of the Edomites. Of course, all this was in fulfilment of God's Word to Rebekah in Gen 25:23.

    Gen 4:15: "...therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him". We don't know what type of mark this was, but most likely, "the LORD marked out Cain...", i.e. set Cain aside for Divine protection from his enemies, just as believers have been marked out with the indwelling Holy Spirit & His Seal upon them. So if any of these people you mentioned (KKK, Freemasons, Nazis, etc.) hide behind Cain's mark, that is of private interpretation, but it is certain, as you say, that all of these do hide behind the cloak of Christianity, & in so doing, not only bring the Name of Jesus into discredit & disgrace, but deceive our govts. & nominal Christians alike of their relevance & position in society. They (as we ourselves), have to stand before our Great Judge.

    Thank you for your thought-provoking Comment.
  • Mishael - in Reply on Obadiah 1
    Esau sold his birthright for a bowl of soup. God could not tolerate that.

    Satan tempted Eve with food too.
  • Arissa Nolastname on Obadiah 1
    3rd part: When they orchestrate events in the lives of people to cause them to stumble, sin, fall, get injured, sick suffer some trouble/calamity, they are entertained by the suffering, and would want the rest of society to believe that people are suffering because they are evil, or committed some sin/crime, and therefore are reaping the judgement. Well, the truth is that they transferred their corruption onto other people and watch them suffer what they should have been suffering. They hide behind the mask of Christianity but are wolves in sheep skin. So the twisted reference to Esau is the reference to those in the occult, sorcery/witchcraft who twist things/corrupt/pervert the Judgement of God/The Word of God to make it look like they are the blessed of God. That is why we are not to be envious of the wicked when they prosper.
  • Arissa Nolastname on Obadiah 1
    2nd Part:That Justice is Jesus who turns that twisted thing around, and makes straight the crooked, and turns things upside down and inside out, the right order of things. So, Jesus the first born Son of God, had to be the scapegoat, carrying the sins of the world, rejected and cast off to die in the wilderness. So, when we come to Christ our souls, birthright is restored when the Holy Spirit comes upon us, and everything we have need of comes to us, while the heathen, freemasons, kkk, nazis etc are draining us of our anointing so they can advance the white race with the soul portions of other race groups. So as mentioned above, it does not matter what color the skin is, or where they come from, satan, like cain, and like Jacob wants the first pick, and will move out of his way anyone or anything that is a threat. That is why people in the occult are so bent on killing people who have the light of God. They want to switch places with the people of God, so the people of God become the scapegoats, and they are the "star" of the show, with all the titles, degrees, money etc. It's all about dominion. They want to own, control & rule over everyone/thing to get praise, adoration,glory. Those in Christ say: I am nothing, I have nothing, I can do nothing. I abide in Christ and I become a Son of God, bear fruit and advance the Kingdom of God for the praise and Glory of God.
  • Arissa Nolastname on Obadiah 1
    Let's go back to the Garden of Eden. God created Adam & Eve in the image of God. Then came serpent, &his seed past on down from Adam to us, so that we are no longer made in the image of God.From the time of serpent came Cain, the firstborn. Cain murdered 2nd born, Abel. But, because of the blessing of the first-born, the male child that opens womb must be consecrated to the Lord, God did not strike Cain down, but placed a mark on him. Fast forward, Jacob's mother does not want Esau to get blessing of first-born son, but Jacob, so Jacob tricks his father &steals the blessing for the first-born son. Jacob pays a price for it, & then later makes covenant with God, gets his name changed to Israel, &his sons come under his umbrella.We don't really know what evil Esau did other than going after "foreign" women. Esau gets a bad name. Due to Jacob's sin he, like a scapegoat had to run off into the wilderness looking for Laban. God blessed Esau as the first-born anyway, he didn't need Jacob's spoil. So, it's a bit twisted. Usually the one whose sin is transferred onto the scapegoat lives at ease and remains in the household, while the scapegoat is cast out to die in the wilderness. But here we have Jacob who committed the crime, and had to flee for his life. It's a bit twisted.So fast forward again to 2020. The heathen/pagans/freemasons/ nazis/kkk/white supremacists are hiding behind the mark of Cain, as if they are the descendants of Cain. Whether they are first-born or not, from Europe, USA or Timbuktu, it does not matter. The fact is they've perverted the word of God to fool the people of God. So, like wolves in sheep skin they hide behind Christianity, Judaism, Islam etc pretending to be children of God. They"mark" the people of God, after tricking/deceiving/pulling the wool over our eyes, enslave/exploit, rob us of our inheritance/birthright/blessing through sorcery/ witchcraft/soul tying & transferring/redirecting the flow of blessing to others. So justice must come!
  • Jesse - in Reply on Obadiah 1

    I believe they are both the same thing. The day of the Lord or day of Christ is not a specific day. It is a time period that God has set apart. It will be His day. The Lord's day is coming. It's not a specific day. It's a time period. It will be a time of His coming judgment.
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Obadiah 1
    Gerard these are my thoughts and most would disagree, Is the day of the Lord and the day of Christ the same event. Most pastors in the USA will claim one day is the pre trib rapture and the other day is the 2nd coming at the end of the tribulation. However is claiming the day of the Lord and the day of Christ are two different events, does that not deny that Jesus is Lord? I say that Jesus is Lord.

    1 Corinthians 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

    Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:52 - In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

    We are changed at the LAST TRUMP and where is this found?

    In REVELATION, the LAST BOOK of the Bible there are 7 trumps and the 7th trump is the LAST ONE and is at the end of the tribulation. If this is true then the day of the Lord IS the day of Christ.
  • Gerard on Obadiah 1
    What is the difference between the day of Christ and the day of the Lord
  • Bob Hilt - in Reply on Obadiah 1
    Bible book Song of Solomon 5:10 - My beloved is WHITE white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.

    Bible book Lamentations 4:7 - Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were WHITER whiter than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies, their polishing was of sapphire:

    Revelation 1:14 - His (Jesus) HEAD and his hairs were WHITE white like wool, as WHITE white as SNOW; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass,

    (Brass is made of copper which is REDDISH GOLDEN BROWN, not black) as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

    Who generally printed the Bibles and built all the churches?

    Sub Sahara Africa? NO

    Asia? NOT until recently

    Europe and the USA = Yes

    Many "black Hebrews" claim whites are the children of the devil via Esau and the Canaanites via the Hittites.

    Some even advocate the killing of whites to fulfill the command of the Lord to kill the Canaanites

    Genesis 25:25 And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau..

    Genesis 26:34 And Esau was forty years old when he took to wife Judith the daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Bashemath the daughter of Elon the Hittite:

    Deuteronomy 20:17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:

    John 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

    Luke 22:36 Then said he (Jesus) unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

    Look into this I am not making this up.
  • Yahudah Ori - in Reply on Obadiah 1
    We are not Africans I can prove it in a few way. We are Hebrew Israelites. The southern kingdom of Israel went into captivity (Trans Atlantic Slave Trade). The Northern Kingdom was Already here when we got here but once they left Israel they were in captivity to the Assirians then they came here to the Americas. Southern kingdom was still in Israel, the Romans chased them into Africa and they fled into West Africa and there the Hamites and Ishmelites(Africans and Arabs) gathered us up and sold us to the Edomites (so-called white man) Trans Atlantic Slave Trade. And we are still here in our captivity because they didn't take us back where they got us from.
  • Yahudah Ori on Obadiah 1
    America is soon to be destroyed like any great kingdom. Pride always come before destruction. God is going to put Edomites (so-called white man) against each other, which is America and Russia. All these other nations had God's people in captivity at one time or another so after America is destroyed all u heathen nations will go into captivity. This is Edom(so-called white man) heaven so enjoy it while you can. We are not Africans we are Israelites. Africans come from a so-called white man named Scipio Africanus. Do your research.
  • Sandra jarboe - in Reply on Obadiah 1
    You might have missed reading Gal 3:28 KJV. If we don't rightly divide the scriptures we can become easily lead astray. 2Tim 2:15 KJV

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