Numbers Chapter 8 Discussion



 
  • Mishael on Numbers 8
    Proverbs 30:3

    I neither learned wisdom, nor have the knowledge of the holy.

    Proverbs 9:10

    The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

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  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Numbers 8
    Hello Cindy,

    Here is a couple more verses to go along with the verse from Romans Jesse posted:

    Leviticus 18:22 Thou(man) shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

    Leviticus 18:24-25 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:

    And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.

    ( 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves(homosexual) with mankind,

    Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

    And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

    Verse eleven showing there is forgiveness if there is repentance.

    God Bless.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Numbers 8
    Hi Cindy,

    ,

    Romans 1:18-28 (KJV) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

    Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

    For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

    Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

    Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

    And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

    Wherefore God also gave them up to UNCLEANNESS through the lusts of their own hearts, to DISHONOUR THEIR OWN BODIES between themselves:

    Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    For this cause God gave them up unto VILE AFFECTIONS: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is AGAINST NATURE:

    And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
  • Jesse - in Reply on Numbers 8
    Cindy,

    Romans chapter 1 covers that. Take a look at Romans 1:27.
  • Cindy on Numbers 8
    What does the Bible say of homosexuality
  • Church - in Reply on Numbers 8
    Golgotha
  • Carleton - in Reply on Numbers 8
    Well, frog and toad discussed and acted on that one last cookie, from their example I post.

    Accountability by brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus has a lot of value.

    Carleton
  • Dawn Dodgen - in Reply on Numbers 8
    It's a sad thing to know so many Christians, who've sat every Sunday morning in a church pew, can be so lost - being taught man's traditions rather than the true Word of God. They haven't been taught the Key of David is knowing satan comes first - BEFORE Christ, and telling everyone that he is going to rapture them out of here; we learn in Ezekiel ch.13 that God is AGAINST that - yet people grab on to it like a security blanket. Also, to know who the Kenite's are.

    This will be my last post/reply, and I ask for no more posts/replies to me as I am not the one who is confused. I will keep all of you, though, in my prayers.

    By the way, I do have a great Bible - it's called The King James (Version) Bible. It's the ONLY Bible I study with.
  • Lana Williams on Numbers 8
    In whose tomb was Jesus buried?
  • Lana Williams on Numbers 8
    Where was Jesus crucified?
  • Paul S Selchow - in Reply on Numbers 8
    The genealogy listed lists only the line of Christ. It lists from Adam to Jesus Christ. Cain would not be listed by the gospel writers as he wasn't part of the line. It went from Adam to Seth etc. The decedents of Seth are referred to the sons of God, and the decedents of Cain were referred to as the sons of men. ( Gen 6:2) There were, since that first generation, 2 lines, one was God's people, one was the followers of satan (or those who didn't follow God).
  • SkipVought - in Reply on Numbers 8
    Bessie,

    "And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye."Mar 7:9-13

    Corban was referring to something that has been set aside as a gift to be given to God at some later date, but which is still in the possession of the owner. According to contemporary Jewish tradition the person who made this claim was absolved from responsibility to support or assist his parents, a clear violation of the Mosaic law to honor one's parents.

    Today, we are not under the Mosaic Law and other financial options may be available to people in retirement. But this, too, does not absolve a child from taking care of elderly or disabled parents who may need financial, emotional and spiritual support.

    Honor your mother and father as you ought.
  • Chris - in Reply on Numbers 8
    Have a look at 1 Timothy 5:4-8.

    Even though this passage speaks specifically about widows who, in those days, were generally quite helpless without a bread-winner, I believe the same imperative applied to any family member/parent who needed financial or other help to cope with life. So children & any other family member had a duty of care to his family just as they did to those in the Church family.
  • Rightly Dividing The Word of God - in Reply on Numbers 8
    Study a bit more thoroughly. Use the reference columns in a good study Bible.

    Satan was a covering cherub. HE WAS CREATED. His job was to lead praise and worship. He was jeweled. Well he got to liking it and wanted the praise for himself.

    As soon as he coveted it, He started war in heaven. Type that in the search box. Look in Revelation.

    Finally God tells Michael to hurl Satan to earth; with the 1/3 angels that followed Satan.

    Folks. In Genesis 1:1

    The First thing God did (the Godhead)

    Was CREATE TIME. The Godhead lives inside of earth time; AND they live outside of time.

    Then God purposed. Jesus the Word of God spoke it ( John 1:1). The Holy Spirit performed what was spoken.

    Before anything occurred in Genesis, GOD SAW IT.

    Adam and Eve were spirit, soul and flesh: 3 part humans. God gave them FREE WILL.

    God has PERFECT WILL

    Satan has EVIL WILL

    MAN (and woman) have FREE WILL. They had power to choose.

    When they disobeyed Gods Word NOT to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (it's written): they used their free will, and died spiritually. They were flesh and soul. Separated from God.

    The Godhead immediately cast them out of the Garden so they would not eat of the tree of LIFE (eternal life). The tree of Life was moved to heaven (see Revelation).

    God then killed an animal (blood sacrifice for sin) and made them clothes. Adam failed. In the fullness of TIME, Jesus came as 2nd Adam to redeem mankind and once and for all time pay for the sins of every human; born and unborn.

    For God so loved the world, that He gave his only begotten son ...

    Stop making up stuff about this that only confuses people about the Genesis stories. Get a good study Bible with CENTER of each page, reference columns to other passages that give additional information. It has little abc's imbedded in the scriptures. They point to prophesies, go forward to the New Testament or backwards.

    You gotta have it.

    Mishael
  • Dawn Dodgen - in Reply on Numbers 8
    Lol - an apple.

    What was satan? - he was a cherub, an angel.

    What did God say in Gen. 1:26? - "Let us make man in OUR image..." - I believe God was talking to the angels meaning the angels are in the form like a man. After all, the angels who appeared to Lot were as men; the angel, Gabriel appeared as a man. We can't leave out the fact that the fallen angels ("sons of God" - Gen. 6:2) were able to impregnate women - that's where the giants, or the nephilim*, came from. They had to be in the form of men. Satan, the serpent, would also be able to wholly seduce/beguile Eve and conceive a child with her.

    As for Adam taking a 'bite from the apple' - it isn't specific, but I believe satan, who has as the power, given to him by God, to do wonderous things ( Matthew 24:24), could beguile Adam as well - perhaps by appearing as a female or even a homosexual act.

    There shouldn't be any question that both Adam and Eve covered their private parts with fig leaves, because they both knew they were "naked." Leviticus ch.18 is very clear about the meaning of naked (nakedness).

    *From Appendix 25 From The Companion Bible - E.W. Bullinger

  • SkipVought - in Reply on Numbers 8
    Dawn,

    "Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, EIGHT SOULS were saved by water." 1Pe 3:20

    Noah, his three sons and each of their wives: EIGHT SOULS. No "Kenites!" Genesis 6:19 is not referring to humans. You forgot to include the next verse.

    Yes, Noah was uncorrupted in his genealogy, which is why the rest of mankind was destroyed in the flood.

    There is one race, humans, where skin shade and other features were built into the our DNA. The "races" resulted from the separation of people groups by language and subsequent migration at Babel in Genesis 11, in order to force mankind to "fill the earth." I'm not tying any particular "race" to Canaan.
  • Dawn Elizabeth Dodgen - in Reply on Numbers 8
    Of course Christ didn't descend from Cain - Christ came umbilical cord to umbilical cord from Seth. This fact I will never budge from.
  • Dawn Elizabeth Dodgen - in Reply on Numbers 8
    Cain's descendants did not all die in Noah's flood.-

    "And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female." Genesis 6:19

    "OF EVERY LIVING THING of ALL FLESH, two of EVERY SORT shalt thou bring into the ark..."

    - Kenite's were also on the ark. How did descendants of Cain, the Kenites, wind up in 1 Chronicles (& elsewhere)?

    "...Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God." Genesis 6:9

    Noah and his family were the only "perfect" in breed/pedigree. All the races were created on the 6th day of God's creation ( Gen. 1:26-27). If Noah's family were the only people to be saved, then how do we account for all the races we still have today? Please don't say it's because Canaan was cursed ( Gen. 9:25). Canaan was cursed by Noah, not God; and Noah cursing Canaan would in NO way create another race - absolutely biologically impossible.
  • SkipVought - in Reply on Numbers 8
    And by the way, Cain's descendants ALL died in The Great Flood as did all but Noah and his descendants.
  • SkipVought - in Reply on Numbers 8
    Dawn,

    Jesus stated, "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."Joh 5:39 and of Jesus it was recorded, "And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself." Luk 24:27

    There is a genealogy of Cain and his descendants, BUT this does NOT pertain to the Messiah. And there are other short genealogies in The Scriptures but they are recorded for other reasons. The MAIN genealogy, interestingly recorded centuries before Jesus and some of it not in The Scriptures but assiduously recorded by faithful Jewish scribes, was the Messianic genealogy through King David and his royal lineage.

    There is absolutely no evidence of the serpent seed. The serpent was embodied by Lucifer who was the murderer and lier from the beginning, "that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world."

    When Jesus stated, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."Joh 8:44 He was not saying that they could trace their physical lineage back to the Devil any more than believers could trace their physical lineage back to God. EVERYONE's physical lineage goes back to Adam.

    Spiritually, we are either of God or of Satan.
  • Darren Croft - in Reply on Numbers 8
    Inheritance is in the genes.
  • Dawn Elizabeth Dodgen - in Reply on Numbers 8
    What?? Why would satan "scolded" Christ if Eve was impregnated by him (satan)? That would be like the man sitting across from me on the bus scolding me for my stepfather impregnating my mom - it makes no sense.
  • Darren Croft - in Reply on Numbers 8
    If the serpent impregnated Eve, the devil would have scolded Jesus Christ about being 'of the devil'. He didn't. There is no mention of this in the Bible. It never happened.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Numbers 8
    Hi Dawn,

    Genesis 5. Genealogy

    Here's why Cain is not in the Genealogy, 1st.

    Genesis 4:11, And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;....12...13...

    14: BEHOLD, THOU HAST DRIVEN ME OUT THIS DAY FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH; AND-

    """FROM THY FACE SHALL I BE HID""";

    2nd.

    The first 5 chapters was on the creation the next section is on Noah and the flood, The Emphasis on this Genealogy is on Adam, " The first man" to Noah.

    Hebrew:

    Transliteration: 'dm

    Pronunciation: aw-dawm'

    Definition: The same as H120; {Adam} the name of the first {man} also of a place in Palestine: - Adam.

    KJV Usage: Adam(9x).

    In the next division in Genesis you see a Genealogy in Ch 10 he does the same thing, you see a Genealogy of Noah with certain characters like Nimrod highlighted setting up the brief story of him in ch 11 before he gives us the story of Abraham. Again you see the family of Abraham listed as you go to ch 12 with the story of Abraham focusing just on lineage of the preceding character.

    Here's another example Matthew 1:1-2 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

    Abraham begat "ISAAC"; and Isaac begat "JACOB"; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;

    Have you noticed no mention of Ishmael or Essau?

    Because the focus is on Jesus to king David. this Genealogy goes through Solomon but the Genealogy in Luke goes through Nathan, One giving the legal line to the thrown and the other giving the blood line to the thrown.

    I hope that clears this up for you because I don't know why one would suggest that God would bless a biological birth from Satan, Only God can permit Life.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Numbers 8
    Dawn

    Genesis 4:2. I don't think it shows they came to the age of accountability at the same time, I believe Cain was offering the fruit of the ground before Abel reached the age of accountability.

    The fruit of a cursed ground instead of a blood sacrifice. The issue was that God didn't require that of Cain.

    When Abel came along he did what was required.
  • Darren Croft - in Reply on Numbers 8
    Dawn Elizabeth Dodgen,

    Adam bit the apple too, yet he didn't know the serpent (a spirit). It is sin that beguiles us, and satan is the father of them. satan was just making his rounds in the garden to stem the evil tide. One solid characteristic about satan is he can't create anything, he can't breathe life into anything, he can't even produce evil unless the letter lets (God).

    2 Thessalonians 2:7 "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way."

    satan (spirit) has dominion over the flesh, not our DNA.
  • Dawn Elizabeth Dodgen - in Reply on Numbers 8
    Gen. 3:13

    Beguiled - nasha (Hb), naw-shaw - a prime. root; to lead astray, i.e. (mentally) to delude, or (morally) to seduce:-beguile, deceive, x greatly, x utterly.

    Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible

    Gen. 4:1

    Again - yacaph (Hb), yaw-saf - a prime. root; to add or augment (often adv. to continue to do a thing)

    Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible
  • Dawn Elizabeth Dodgen - in Reply on Numbers 8
    Gen. 4:2

    AGAIN, in the Hebrew manuscripts is YACAPH, yaw-saf - this means to continue, proceed, etc.

    Also, it is evident that Cain and Abel came to the age of accountability at the same time, both bringing their offerings to the Lord.
  • Dawn Elizabeth Dodgen - in Reply on Numbers 8
    So why, in Gen. 3:13, "the serpent beguiled me..." - Strong's Concordance: seduced.

    Gen. 3:15, "I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between THY SEED and HER SEED....."

    Gen. 3:16, "I (GOD speaking to Eve) will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception..."

    Adam didn't "know" his wife until Gen. ch.4.
  • Dawn Elizabeth Dodgen - in Reply on Numbers 8
    But Cain's genealogy is separate from Adam's genealogy.


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