Numbers Chapter 8 Discussion Page 2

  • Sacha - in Reply on Numbers 8
    Hi Dawn ,Cains geneology is in Genesis ch 4 v 16 onwards ,it probably goes up to the flood .
  • Studying on this website - in Reply on Numbers 8
    What is the meaning of beguiled?

    verb (used with object), beguiled, beguiling. to influence by trickery, flattery, etc.; mislead; delude. to take away from by cheating or deceiving (usually followed by of): to be beguiled of money.

    Eve did not have intercourse with the SERPENT. He was jeweled and pretty but he was not a man

    Before anyone says it.... Cain was not satans kid.

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  • S Spencer - in Reply on Numbers 8
    Hi Dawn, So you said "since this is a place to ask questions so you decided to give it a shot", So how about we first deal with Gen. 4:1-2. That verse is literal and quite direct.

    Genesis 4:1. And "ADAM" knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, ""I HAVE GOTTEN A MAN FROM THE LORD."" This phrase defines Cain

    In verse 2 it says "And she (AGAIN) bare his brother Abel". NO TWINS HERE!! Separate birth.

    This could have happened several years later as far as we know.

    when it comes to child birth the scripture is careful to mention twins if they're present as it did Essau and Jacob.

    Genesis 4:2 And she ""AGAIN"" bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

    You stated Eve was Beguiled "sexually seduced" by Satan.

    That would be way out of context considering she was answering a direct question from the Lord!

    Genesis 3:13. And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, ""AND I DID EAT""

    How was she beguiled? By leading her astray from God's command.

    If you take this definition below of beguiled and what happens in Gen 3. it's clear we have a picture of deception!! How did you get sexually seduction out of that and disregard Genesis 4:1?


    Transliteration: nsh'

    Pronunciation: naw-shaw'

    Definition: A primitive root; to lead {astray} that {is} (mentally) to {delude} or (morally) to seduce: - {beguile} {deceive} X {greatly} X utterly.

    KJV Usage: deceive(12x), greatly(1x), beguiled me(1x), seize(1x), utterly(1x).

    Occurs: 16

    In verses: 15

    Besides it could have been a 100 years between Genesis 3:13 and Genesis 4:1.

    Please give us your interpretation of Genesis 4:1 since it is scripture we cannot discard it.

    And I will deal with the Genealogy. Genesis 4:1. And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten ""A"" man ( not twins) from the LORD. Waiting on your response.
  • Darren Croft - in Reply on Numbers 8
    You should see what I do to the corrupt politicians and crooked cops.
  • Darren Croft - in Reply on Numbers 8
    The genealogy from Genesis 5:1 to Genesis 6:9 is Noah's. Since he descends from Seth, only Seth is mentioned. He doesn't mention either Cain or Abel directly. He only notes that Adam "had sons and daughters" to let us know that Adam and Eve had more than just the three sons mentioned by name in Adam's records. In every generation there is likely to have been multiple siblings, but only the one that directly leads to Noah is mentioned each time.
  • Ron - in Reply on Numbers 8

    Cain and Able were the sons of Adam, Genesis 4:1-2 Cain killed his brother, Genesis 4:8. Cain was banished from the face of the earth (Eden) and the presence of the LORD Genesis7 9:16. Abel was to be the righteous line to the Messiah Jesus Christ.

    Genesis 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

    God gave us the genealogy of Cain but it has no consequence on the line to Jesus. The genealogy in the Bible from Adam does not include Cain and Able, it also does not list the firstborn as some say, it covers the righteous line to Jesus. There are many teachings out there that we must be careful. We must test the spirits for there are many contrary to the word of God. Like the verse, you listed John 8:44 Here is another.

    1John.3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

    These verses by themselves may hint at what you said of Satan and Eve but, this does not mean they are from the physical seed of Satan (devil). Cain was not of the seed of the devil, it is saying if you choose evil, not righteousness you are of the devil. We are either sons and daughters of God or Satan (devil). You can paint a very deceptive picture with one or two verses.

    1John.3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

    Test the spirits, if we cannot find scripture to back up what we hear or read RUN!!!

    2 Corinthians 11:14-1514 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

    God bless you, Ron
  • Dawn Dodgen - in Reply on Numbers 8
    Your reply is helpful, however, I still question why Cain is not in Adam's lineage, and vise versa.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Numbers 8
    Hi Dawn,

    Let's put John 8:44 in its context.

    John 8:42-47. Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

    Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

    Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

    And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

    Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

    He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

    Verses 42 and 43 Jesus is saying if God were their father they would love him and understand his speech.

    Verse 44 through 47 he gives the contrast between the father of truth and the father of lies,

    The devil is the father of lies and much more. He is the spiritual father to all who reject Christ.

    And as a side note: Anyone tries to add to the finish work of the cross whether elements from the works of the law or works of their own falls in the category of Satans children as well because they will have fallen from grace.
  • Dawn Dodgen - in Reply on Numbers 8
    I understand what it says in Gen. 4:1; my original question is beyond that.

    As a nurse (& a woman), I know about superfetation - twins, such as Cain and Abel, conceived at different times, &/or in their case by different fathers, Adam and the serpent.

    This is how I'm understanding why Cain isn't listed in Adam's lineage - Cain, having his own ancestry listed in Gen. 4:17 (& the following verses); Adam's ancestry is listed in Gen. ch.5, and Cain isn't in it. (Please see my original question above)

    I don't mean to be difficult (lol); this is just a question I've had for a very long time that hasn't been clearly answered for me. Being new to this King James Bible website, and seeing that there is a place to ask Bible questions, I needed to give it a shot.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Numbers 8
    Hi Dawn,

    Genesis 4:1 (KJV) And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
  • Jeremiah J Gono on Numbers 8
    What is the role of husband in the King James book
  • Dawn Dodgen on Numbers 8
    If Cain is Adam's son, then why is Cain's genealogy different than Adam's, and in John 8:44 Christ, speaking to the scribes and Pharisees, "Ye are of your father the devil.... he was a murderer from the beginning...."? Eve was "beguiled" - (Gr. exapatao) wholly seduce by the serpent, or Satan.

    Cain, in God's Word, is the first murderer.
  • Sharon Bryant on Numbers 8
    Mark 5: 43. He commanded them strictly that no one should know it,

    Why Jesus told them not to tell anyone? Is it because, of His purpose of timeline or the timing need to follow God's way to reach his mission by cross. or. Allow us to believe in him cuz of our sins..

    What if he allowed for the to disclose it... then. people will continue to seek him...which might have slowed him down?
  • Bin sun on Numbers 8
    In you, Lord our God, we put our trust. Trust and Obey
  • Sacha - in Reply on Numbers 8
    Hahaha well done darren ! I swear in my head all the time ! Occasionally it slips out and i always apologize if theres some one around ,mostly if i swear im in my own home, i never swear in the street or any one elses home ,most of my friends and family swear occassionally ,for most people its just a habit ,lots of people havewords and phrases they use habitually ,obviously its best not to in case you offend some one but i dont belive swearing is the worst sin a person can commit and im very much hoping that God agrees with me or very many of us will be in big trouble i think !
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Numbers 8
    Hello Monica,

    I just wanted to share with you a list of verses I have about "cursing" or any filthy thing out of our mouths.

    Ephesians 4:29

    ( Ephesians 4:31

    ( Colossians 3:8

    ( James 1:26

    ( James 3:10

    ( 1 Peter 3:10
  • Darren Croft - in Reply on Numbers 8
    The little voice in my head that drives my conscience, likes swearing. I like to narrate the story with choice words. Foul language is akin to poor behavior, and ill manners. Other people don't hear me swear, it's mostly my internal dialog that gets salty. I have apologized for swearing. When I get bad news, or the like, it can flow like the river Nile. My favorite swear word is mf'er because it's so versatile in a rough and tumble America. I'm conscious of my words, and know that swearing and temper can be controlled.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Numbers 8
    Hi Monica. Here's a Little commentary on Abraham you will find in the New testament to parallel with Genesis ch 11:26 through Genesis Ch 25.

    Acts 7:2-10. And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran,

    And said unto him, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and come into the land which I shall shew thee.

    Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell.

    And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child.

    And God spake on this wise, That his seed should sojourn in a strange land; and that they should bring them into bondage, and entreat them evil four hundred years.

    And the nation to whom they shall be in bondage will I judge, said God: and after that shall they come forth, and serve me in this place.

    And he gave him the covenant of circumcision: and so Abraham begat Isaac, and circumcised him the eighth day; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat the twelve patriarchs.

    And the patriarchs, moved with envy, sold Joseph into Egypt: but God was with him,

    And delivered him out of all his afflictions, and gave him favour and wisdom in the sight of Pharaoh king of Egypt; and he made him governor over Egypt and all his house.

    Abraham is a great study, And always ask questions and seek answers. Thank you.
  • Cindy - in Reply on Numbers 8
    People use bad words for many reasons. Their friends curse, movies and TV shows are littered with foul language, and they think it's cool to do it themselves. Their parents do it, and they think it's ok. Even some Christians have potty mouthes which cause others to think, "Well if she/he curses, it's okay for me to do it too." But using bad words is most def a sin.

    Exodus 20:7; Deuteronomy 5:11 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

    Ephesians 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
  • Sacha - in Reply on Numbers 8
    Hi monica ,the very best way to answer all your questions about Abraham and his family and their lives is for you to read Genesis ,if you read it for yourself you will be able to keep all the information in context and really enjoy his story ,may God bless your efforts .
  • Adam - in Reply on Numbers 8
    Hi Billy,

    God loved us enough to give us freewill. Freedom to choose good or evil. Freedom to follow God or follow satan. It's one or the other. Because there's freewill, many do choose evil, and many do choose to kill. It's pure evil, but the people doing the evil always feel like they are doing good at the time. They don't realize they've been deceived by one of satan's many lies. Often words are the means to deceive. Murder = Choice. But the trick is that it's actually not a choice at all for the child- it robs the child of all choices and of life.

    This in part explains all the horrors of evil we see in the world every day. God will hold everyone accountable in the end, no one gets away with anything and God loved us enough to even die for us and offered to forgive us of our sin if we simply confess, believe, and follow Him. God bless...
  • Monica Anderson on Numbers 8
    Why do people use bad words. Is it a sin to use does words. I no it is dis respect ful
  • Adam - in Reply on Numbers 8
    Hi Monica, people have committed murder throughout all of history, because God gave people freewill to choose good or evil and many are deceived into doing evil. At the time they always think their evil is justified, but that is one of the tricks of satan.
  • Monica Anderson on Numbers 8
    Who was Abraham an his wife an his two sons. Also who was his daughter. Did he had a daughter. How long did they live. An what did god problem Abraham.
  • Billy on Numbers 8
    Why does god let abortions. Happen
  • Monica Anderson on Numbers 8
    Why where people killing people at the beginning of the kjv.
  • Cindy - in Reply on Numbers 8
    It means they were set apart and ordained as a wave offering to serve God as priests of the Israelites.
  • Mishael - in Reply on Numbers 8
    Wesley's Notes for Numbers 8:15

    8:15 Go in - Into the court, where they were to wait upon the priests at the altar of burnt - offering; and, at present, into the tabernacle, to take it down and set it up.

    You can look at other Commentaries thru Google. Just type in the scripture and type Commentary after that. I learn stuff that way.
  • Victor on Numbers 8
    Numbers 8:15 "and offer them for an offering."

    what does it mean? Levites will be offered as an offering or offer an offering for them?
  • A devoted follower on Numbers 8
    In reading the Old Testament it strikes me that one must remember during his lifetime Jesus found himself less and less in the tabernacle. In his youth his parents searched for him and when found he reported he had been in discourse in the tabernacle. As he attained his 30 years we don't often find him in worship there. We must always remember that the Old Testament is the inspired word of God spoken at the time it was needed but to bring the emphasis on ritual into modern times, to me, does not do justice to Jesus' itinerant ministry as where we gather in his name is where our church is and the sanctification of a group of people to be separate to serve the Lord based on their birth is something Jesus rejected in action if not in word. We find true separation to serve the Lord in the person of John the Baptist and I believe in modern times certain sects of monks can be viewed as authentic in their service to the Lord. Ritual has a place in many religions but I try to remember Jesus was not a man who valued ritual as much one might think. Anyway, that is the notion that came to me in reading Numbers.

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