Numbers Chapter 10 Discussion



 
  • Nick on Numbers 10
    Hey everyone, I am a new born Christian that has found that I may possibly be condemning my wife when my heart desires to preach conviction of sin instead. I'm afraid that I may be doing condemnation when my wife and I are discussing about the bible which often leads her to feeling guilty and in sorrow, rather than peace in coming to Christ.

    How may I discuss the what I'm understanding in the bible without acting in condemnation, and instead act more in conviction. I do not want to do the devils work and make my wife depressed with Christianity, which I feel I often do. Can someone please tell me how to discern this and bring light on to how to properly preach about what the bible says without condemning my wife.
  • Mild Bill - in Reply on Numbers 10
    Nick,

    " I may possibly be condemning my wife when my heart desires to preach conviction of sin instead. "

    I was saved before my wife, I see your dilemma. Preach has a connotation that doesn't imply example. I recently heard the saying, "people don't care how much you know, until they know how much you care." When you both are before God's word, avoid your commentary and allow God's word to be the focus of her attention. In God's good time he does the saving, not you and your preaching. In this case I believe "actions speak louder than words." Loving your wife is a commitment not based on feeling. Meet her needs which are your responsibility and trust God to be at work on her needs that are his. I will be praying for you both.

    "How may I discuss the what I'm understanding in the bible" As unsaved, she isn't the person to discuss those matters with, but ask God to provide that person or means to help you reflect on what you see in scripture, such as this site.

    My wife was saved sometime after reading a gospel tract I had left with her. She was alone and holding our just delivered firstborn son in her hospital bed. God brought to her mind John 3:16 and then she thoroughly understood it's meaning. She immediatly called me to say she was saved, and that was perhaps three/four years after me getting saved. I worked at that hospital and was saved during work hours while on the rooftop, no more than forty feet from where her bed was. I was also born in that hospital, so I was born and born again there.

    Having saved you, God will never leave or forsake you. Grow in his graciousness and thank him for his mercies.
  • Chris - in Reply on Numbers 10
    Welcome to the family of God & it's so heartening to read that you're distressed about your wife's spiritual condition & actually doing something about it. Our mission field is first found in the home.

    Can I assume that your love for each other is very real & that your wife knows this as you share from the Bible with her? And the "guilt & sorrow" she feels, is it because of the Spirit's convicting her heart of sin or because of the way you're presenting the Gospel to her? I say this, as you sense that your manner of presentation may be condemnatory & hurtful.

    If she genuinely feels that the Word, as presented, is showing her the depth of her sin & estrangement from God, then this sorrow can only be of the Spirit. When one is convicted of sin, having God's displeasure, & hell as our destiny, that person needs to be led further towards repentance & seeking God for forgiveness. Is this her state? If so, let her open up to the Lord in her own words & in tears, that she may know that Divine forgiveness & newness of heart.

    But if she is only troubled by your remarks, or your emphasis & condemnation for her failures, then I agree, you would need to take a more softer, understanding stance, as we all were once cast under God's Mercy & His gentle dealing with us. She is your wife & together, a single loving unit of humanity before God. She not only has the witness from the Word, but also by your life, behaviour, & heart's longing for her to come to saving faith. Only the Holy Spirit can bring conviction in a person & it's the same Spirit that gives faith to believe & a new birth in Christ. As you read those Scriptures that point to one's inherent sin & our impossible efforts to escape its rewards, you need to identify yourself to her as, "I was once that man".

    Read the Scriptures together slowly & carefully - ask each other what they mean & how they apply. If she has questions that you feel you can't answer, then you both will need pastoral help, or even write here.
  • SkipVought - in Reply on Numbers 10
    Nick,

    Welcome to the family of God. Glad that you are in The Word. "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."2Ti 3:16-17 (KJV)

    doctrine, the truths about God, man, sin, salvation etc.

    reproof, pointing out the things we are thinking, saying and doing that is sin

    correction, how to turn from our sin

    instruction in righteousness, how to live to please and bring glory to God

    I'm baffled by what's going on with Numbers 10 that's troubling your wife. If you want your wife to love God and share your joy, why don't you try reading The Gospel of John together or maybe she would read it herself. When someone is close to you, like a wife, brother, daughter etc, it's kind of dicey to preach to them. They need to see you living out your love for Jesus before they hear you preach to them. There may be times when those close to you ask a question. Peter says, "But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:"1Pe 3:15 (KJV)

    Rather than saying, "You need to repent" and so forth, think about personalizing what you're saying like, "I know that I'm a sinner and I read in the Bible that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and that includes me. But Jesus died for my sins so that I won't have to suffer for my sins in hell. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. I've repented of my sins and trusted Jesus to save me. You can too." But The Word need to be planted and watered. Be patient. Pray. Live a Godly life before her. Serve your wife. "Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;"Eph 5:25 (KJV)
  • George Dean on Numbers 10
    what does the bible say about helping or saving children
  • Mild Bill - in Reply on Numbers 10
    George Dean,

    "what does the bible say about helping or saving children"

    That as the love of God is demonstrated by older people, their children may be influenced by that witness. 2Timothy 1:5
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Numbers 10
    Here's a few George.

    Ephesians 6:4. And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.

    Proverbs 22:6. Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

    Proverbs 22:15. Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.
  • Jimmy Igoti on Numbers 10
    What does the word vigin mean at Amos 5:2?
  • Darlene on Numbers 10
    Hi,

    Can someone help me understand 2 Corinthians 3:6....what did Paul meam when he said the letter killeth?
  • Chris - in Reply on Numbers 10
    The Apostle Paul is writing about his authority to bring the Corinthians teaching from God's Word & this he did through the Holy Spirit Who makes God's Word real & applicable by writing it in our hearts & not on tablets of stone.

    When Paul was first Saul the Pharisee, his teaching came from both the Law of God & the traditions of men (i.e. Rabbinical teaching). He now writes that he no longer teaches that, nor can he, as the new life he has in Christ urges him to proclaim the message of the New Covenant & not the Old. What was the teaching under the Old Covenant? That man (the Jew), had to note every written Command of God ("the letter of the Law"), & had to given mental assent to it & obey it to the letter. If he failed, he suffered terribly. This was because the Law was given to show them how sinful they were, how they couldn't find complete deliverance from sin, & therefore any attempt to obey the Law fully would never work & would only result in their death/judgement.

    But, writes Paul, unlike the Letter of the Law, the Spirit of God Who writes God's Laws upon our hearts, enables us to know what is sin & what is not, what pleases God & what doesn't, or how to use discernment over many things that come to us. And so our immediate confession to God when we fail Him & sin, sees the efficacy (continual application) of Christ's Blood for our cleansing & an assured, joyful heart. The Jews never had that experience, because the Law wasn't designed for that - it only brought him death & not life. But Jesus said, "I am come that they might have LIFE, and that they might have it more abundantly." John 10:10.
  • Shana - in Reply on Numbers 10
    how can I get saved
  • Chris - in Reply on Numbers 10
    Shana, on this Site's Main Page, find the word "More" on the Top line. Click on it & scroll down to "How to become a Christian".

    Remember, it's not just going through some formula to be saved from sin - salvation comes from a deep sorrow for your sin & your desire to turn away from such a life & finding forgiveness & a new life only through Jesus, God's Son. Read those verses given there & if you don't understand anything, please write again so that we can explain it to you. It is your full belief in what God has done for you that gives you salvation & NOT by what you can do for God. We can never do anything that could cause God to forgive us - He could only forgive us on His Terms & that is, His Son gave His Life in your place so you could be forgiven. Think deeply on these things & follow through with a true repentant heart before God. He will hear your cry to Him & He will forgive you.

    John 6:37: "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." You can rest on that Promise directly from Jesus to you.
  • Mild Bill - in Reply on Numbers 10
    Shana,

    "how can I get saved"

    But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

    For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

    For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Romans 10:6-13

    You "getting it" is between you and God. When you not only understand, but believe/fully trust he paid for all your sins, he makes himself known to you personally. The confidence that you will have in that relationship is something only you can say is sure. Nobody can tell you, you are saved, and when you are saved, nobody can take that reality away from you.

    Give God a call, it's toll free for you, because Jesus paid it all.
  • Sacha - in Reply on Numbers 10
    Its not always easy to put into words how you feel about God ,Jesus and the Truth about your own faith and salvation ,some people find it easier than others ,for me its a very personal thing ,often people ,usually atheists ,ask me about it in a very challenging or confrontational way and they dont get one word out of me ,i can tell they interprit my silence as some sort of victory for themselves ,even among other believers i prefer to keep my chat light ,my faith has been a long time developing and is most precious to me ,i dont feel the need to explain it or justify it im just very very thankfull that God has allowed me a measure of understanding and He has allowed me to know that i am never and have never been without Him .
  • Mild Bill - in Reply on Numbers 10
    Sacha,

    "about your own faith and salvation" "how you feel about God"

    Your own faith is what you trust to be true. Salvation is a plan that God has revealed in his word.

    Sometimes people use the word feel in place of understand. In talking to other people it is always easier if you are explaining what you understand. How about you telling me what you understand to be the way God saves people. Of course you "don't have to", but Jesus has explained that "Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house." If what you have is of God, he wants you to shine, and not be uncomfortable or unable to talk about it.
  • Sacha - in Reply on Numbers 10
    Hi Mild Bill ,i always appreciate your posts ,if i start to tell you of my faith i may never shut up ! At the moment im recovering from coronavirus so i dont have much energy to concentrate and type but maybe when im fully recovered ,i will say that like many people ive had some tough patches in my life and i have some times been my own worst enemy but God has shown me enormous mercy generosity and kindness all through my life and i know that if it wasnt for His love and protection and guidance i would either be dead many years ago or insane or even worse ! His love is overwhelming to me and i cant find the words .
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Numbers 10
    Amen Mild Bill.

    Jesus is in the midst of the candlesticks, the light proceeds from us shines on him.

    Revelation 1:13 (KJV) And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
  • Barry on Numbers 10
    I posted an incorrect reference about Numbers 10:29-33. I just gained some clarity from my confusion. Hobab was Moses' father-in-laws's son.(Moses' brother-in- law) It was Moses' father-in-law,Raguel, in the book of Exodus who had visited him sometime after he lead God's people out of Egypt. Raguel brought Moses' wife & two sons with him & he also gave Moses the idea of delegating the task of judging the disputes amongst the people to others as Moses was tiring himself out being the sole judge of the people. So I am assuming when Raguel declined Moses' request travel to the promise land, he returned home with Moses' wife and two sons. Did Moses ever see them(the wife & sons) again.
  • Rod - in Reply on Numbers 10
    Hi Barry sorry to correct you once more but Moses father in law was Jethro, and yes he did tell Moses to set up leaders to help him judge the people, and the most serious matters Moses would judge, On a side note this would be similar to what most democratic nations have as a judicial system today. While reading your comment I realized that I had forgotten that Moses was also married to an Ethiopian woman, so thank you for reminding me. GB

    Exodus 18:1 "When Jethro, the priest of Midian, Moses' father in law, heard of all that God had done for Moses, and for Israel his people, and that the LORD had brought Israel out of Egypt;" Exodus 18:2 "Then Jethro, Moses' father in law, took Zipporah, Moses' wife, after he had sent her back," Exodus 18:21 "Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens:"

    Numbers 12:1 "And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman."
  • Barry on Numbers 10
    In Numbers 10:29-33, did Moses father-in-law, Hobab, to whom departed from Moses returning to his homeland. The word 'they' was used, I have two questions. Was Moses' wife & two sons part of the they mentioned in 10:33 who returned to Midian with his father-in-law? And did Moses ever see his wife & sons again?
  • Harriet Small on Numbers 10
    contentment
  • Truth From the Book on Numbers 10
    People think Bible names have to match 100%. Names in those days were NO different than today. A man named William is also known as Bill or Will. Taylor can be a man's name or a woman's name. The Bible makes NO mistakes. Names that don't match doesn't mean there is an error.
  • AWOJ on Numbers 10
    that still doesn't answer Giulo Figlio's question though, it does seem like a typo, but as H.D pointed out, the Bible makes no mistakes. maybe the name got miss-translated? idk, it doesn't matter a whole lot, however.
  • H.D. on Numbers 10
    To Giulo Figlio Depending on the translation for example the—Nelson KJB says, "Raguel" and other KJV translations say, "Reuel". Again, Same name—no typo error.
  • Giulo figlio on Numbers 10
    H.D. jethro is reuel,but who is Raguel in numbers 10:29?
  • H.D. on Numbers 10
    To Giulo Figlio no typo, the Bible has no errors. Exodus 2:15-18 Now the priest of Midian...And when they came to Reuel their father, Reuel is Moses father-in-law and in Exodus 3:1 he is called "Jethro" the priest of Midian...Numbers 10:29 And Moses said unto Hobab, the son of Reuel,"Jethro" the Medianite, Moses' father-in-law,... No typo's no errors!
  • Bruce on Numbers 10
    Giuliani : Hobab is the son Moses Father inlaw.
  • Giulo figlio on Numbers 10
    10:29, I think Hobab is moses' brother-in-law, son of Reuel, the midianite. Big typo here. I checked the hebrew torah, exodus 2:18, and numbers 10:29, the name for Reuel in hebrew is spelled the same way. So here in 10:29 should say Reuel and not Raguel.
  • Giulo figlio on Numbers 10
    10:29 who is hobab? was not jethro moses' father in law?
  • BSP on Numbers 10
    Verse 3: God is a God of order and he expected the assembly of Israel to keep their appointments and carry them out.


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