Numbers Chapter 10 Discussion

  • Chris - in Reply on Numbers 10
    Apparently so, DWL. Raguel is another spelling of 'Reuel' (as in Exodus 2:18). Hobab was Moses' brother-in-law.
  • Street preacher - in Reply on Numbers 10
    Did Aaron and Moses have the same father?

    In the Book of Exodus, Amram (/mrm/; Hebrew: , Modern: 'Amram, Tiberian: Amrm, "Friend of the most high" / "The people are exalted") is the husband of Jochebed and father of Aaron, Moses and Miriam.

    They were Hebrews, so they'd be Jewish.
  • D W L on Numbers 10
    Numbers 10:29 And Moses said unto Hobab, the son of Raguel the Midianite, Moses' father in law, We are journeying unto the place of which the LORD said, I will give it you: come thou with us, and we will do thee good: for the LORD hath spoken good concerning Israel.

    Is Raguel the Midianite also Jethro?
  • GiGi - in Reply on Numbers 10
    Hi Anthony,

    As Bro Dan stated, there have been several threads on this subject in the past few weeks. I encourage you to go to past pages and find the threads to read. Hopefully, you will find the answers you are seeking.

    Other than this recommendation, I just want to ask, which of the 10 commandments do you not want to obey out of love for Christ? For me, because of the grace that has brought me salvation, I am a new creation in Christ and the Spirit lives in me. So, because God first loved me, I love Him. And because I love Him, I want don't want to disobey any of the 10 commandments nor anything I know is sinful. However, I still sin and turn to God for forgiveness, which He freely gives me. I love our Lord so much that I do not want sin to come between Him and me any time. But when it does, I can be confident that He cleanses me from all sin when I confess to Him.

    This is my approach to the 10 commandments and any moral law given by God in the Bible.
  • Tom - in Reply on Numbers 10
    the 10 or written to the Jews under the law not the Gentiles. We are under Grace
  • S Spencer. - in Reply on Numbers 10

    Part 2.

    The rest I mentioned in part 1 " Colossians 2." you see Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, WHICH WAS CONTRARY TO US, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;


    In Hebrews it gives a distinction between the Jews entering Gods rest and those who trust in Christ. "The Church".

    Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

    ""For unto "US" was the gospel preached, as well as unto "THEM": but the word preached did not profit "THEM", not being mixed with faith in "THEM" that heard it.""

    For "WE" which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

    For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

    And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

    Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and "THEY TO WHOM IT WAS FIRST PREACHED" entered not in because of unbelief:

    Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

    For if Jesus had given "THEM" rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

    There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

    For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Hebrews 4:1-10.

    Israel will enter into that rest as a nation during the Millennium.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer. - in Reply on Numbers 10
    Hi Anthony.

    Part 1 of 2.

    The way you asked the question, "Does the ten commandments apply to all including gentiles?" I would say, yes.

    The next question would be, did the 10 commandments slay us all as Paul mentioned in Romans 7:8-9. I would say yes. Because no one has been able to keep the law. Even the greatest 2 Commandments is out our reach without being born again.

    Mark 12:29-31. This is a love we can't produce without the Holyspirit being present. It's a fruit of the spirit, and all the law hangs on it.

    Galatians 5:14. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

    Romans 13:10. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

    This is what baptism mentioned in Romans 6 is all about. "Not the outward profession we do in water but the inward identification of the Spirit." which has much to say about the sabbath.

    In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

    Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

    And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

    Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

    And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

    Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

    Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Colossians 2:11-17.

    see Part 2.
  • Bro dan - in Reply on Numbers 10
    Hi Anthony,

    These topics are discussed regularly here. While you are here on this discussions page, you can see a Tab entitled "Discussion by Topic", upper right area, hit the tab and then you will see a list of topics. You can see Sabbath, Commandments, etc.etc.

    I understand your concern with getting salvation advice today it can be very misleading. I would suggest that you read and study the bible scripture yourself, pray for Guidance from God, and His Holy Spirit, and participate on this type of forum to ask questions, and learn and grow spiritually. Your time and effort will pay off for you!

    God Bless.
  • Anthony park on Numbers 10
    Does the ten commandments apply to all including gentiles? According to the ten commandments the 4th cmmandment sabbath day be observed. But nearly 99 percent of the churches observe the frist day of the week Sunday which is not in the scripture. One most respected Bible preacher/teacher the ten commadment only applied to the Jews until the cross Lord Jesus died on the cross. Yet John 14 Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments. How do we reconcile which is which? As you know the 7th day adventist keep the the 4th commandment. But according to the highly respected preachers/teachers the Adventist doctrine is not correct. I have experienced this is one example most protestant church preachers in my opinion they do not seem to know the bible at all which described simillarly in the Hosea " my people are destroyed due to lack of knowledge". The preacher explains simply the prophecy is on schedule the Old Testament to the Cross, the church age, the tribulation/the rapture, and the millenium makes a great deal of sense unlike other the majority of preachers evangelical/protestants in my oipnion one cannot learn the bible correctly, that is, they do not seem to know the bible at all just circling around meaning Jesus said the blind cannot lead the blind because they do not see. More significantly the book of Hosea described my people are destroyed due to the lack of knoweledge.
  • David on Numbers 10
    Nick, I am praying for both you and your wife. May God bless.
  • Mild Bill - in Reply on Numbers 10

    " I may possibly be condemning my wife when my heart desires to preach conviction of sin instead. "

    I was saved before my wife, I see your dilemma. Preach has a connotation that doesn't imply example. I recently heard the saying, "people don't care how much you know, until they know how much you care." When you both are before God's word, avoid your commentary and allow God's word to be the focus of her attention. In God's good time he does the saving, not you and your preaching. In this case I believe "actions speak louder than words." Loving your wife is a commitment not based on feeling. Meet her needs which are your responsibility and trust God to be at work on her needs that are his. I will be praying for you both.

    "How may I discuss the what I'm understanding in the bible" As unsaved, she isn't the person to discuss those matters with, but ask God to provide that person or means to help you reflect on what you see in scripture, such as this site.

    My wife was saved sometime after reading a gospel tract I had left with her. She was alone and holding our just delivered firstborn son in her hospital bed. God brought to her mind John 3:16 and then she thoroughly understood it's meaning. She immediatly called me to say she was saved, and that was perhaps three/four years after me getting saved. I worked at that hospital and was saved during work hours while on the rooftop, no more than forty feet from where her bed was. I was also born in that hospital, so I was born and born again there.

    Having saved you, God will never leave or forsake you. Grow in his graciousness and thank him for his mercies.
  • Chris - in Reply on Numbers 10
    Welcome to the family of God & it's so heartening to read that you're distressed about your wife's spiritual condition & actually doing something about it. Our mission field is first found in the home.

    Can I assume that your love for each other is very real & that your wife knows this as you share from the Bible with her? And the "guilt & sorrow" she feels, is it because of the Spirit's convicting her heart of sin or because of the way you're presenting the Gospel to her? I say this, as you sense that your manner of presentation may be condemnatory & hurtful.

    If she genuinely feels that the Word, as presented, is showing her the depth of her sin & estrangement from God, then this sorrow can only be of the Spirit. When one is convicted of sin, having God's displeasure, & hell as our destiny, that person needs to be led further towards repentance & seeking God for forgiveness. Is this her state? If so, let her open up to the Lord in her own words & in tears, that she may know that Divine forgiveness & newness of heart.

    But if she is only troubled by your remarks, or your emphasis & condemnation for her failures, then I agree, you would need to take a more softer, understanding stance, as we all were once cast under God's Mercy & His gentle dealing with us. She is your wife & together, a single loving unit of humanity before God. She not only has the witness from the Word, but also by your life, behaviour, & heart's longing for her to come to saving faith. Only the Holy Spirit can bring conviction in a person & it's the same Spirit that gives faith to believe & a new birth in Christ. As you read those Scriptures that point to one's inherent sin & our impossible efforts to escape its rewards, you need to identify yourself to her as, "I was once that man".

    Read the Scriptures together slowly & carefully - ask each other what they mean & how they apply. If she has questions that you feel you can't answer, then you both will need pastoral help, or even write here.
  • SkipVought - in Reply on Numbers 10

    Welcome to the family of God. Glad that you are in The Word. "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." 2Ti 3:16-17 (KJV)

    doctrine, the truths about God, man, sin, salvation etc.

    reproof, pointing out the things we are thinking, saying and doing that is sin

    correction, how to turn from our sin

    instruction in righteousness, how to live to please and bring glory to God

    I'm baffled by what's going on with Numbers 10 that's troubling your wife. If you want your wife to love God and share your joy, why don't you try reading The Gospel of John together or maybe she would read it herself. When someone is close to you, like a wife, brother, daughter etc, it's kind of dicey to preach to them. They need to see you living out your love for Jesus before they hear you preach to them. There may be times when those close to you ask a question. Peter says, "But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:" 1Pe 3:15 (KJV)

    Rather than saying, "You need to repent" and so forth, think about personalizing what you're saying like, "I know that I'm a sinner and I read in the Bible that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and that includes me. But Jesus died for my sins so that I won't have to suffer for my sins in hell. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. I've repented of my sins and trusted Jesus to save me. You can too." But The Word need to be planted and watered. Be patient. Pray. Live a Godly life before her. Serve your wife. "Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;" Eph 5:25 (KJV)
  • Nick on Numbers 10
    Hey everyone, I am a new born Christian that has found that I may possibly be condemning my wife when my heart desires to preach conviction of sin instead. I'm afraid that I may be doing condemnation when my wife and I are discussing about the bible which often leads her to feeling guilty and in sorrow, rather than peace in coming to Christ.

    How may I discuss the what I'm understanding in the bible without acting in condemnation, and instead act more in conviction. I do not want to do the devils work and make my wife depressed with Christianity, which I feel I often do. Can someone please tell me how to discern this and bring light on to how to properly preach about what the bible says without condemning my wife.
  • Mild Bill - in Reply on Numbers 10
    George Dean,

    "what does the bible say about helping or saving children"

    That as the love of God is demonstrated by older people, their children may be influenced by that witness. 2Timothy 1:5
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Numbers 10
    Here's a few George.

    Ephesians 6:4. And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.

    Proverbs 22:6. Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

    Proverbs 22:15. Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.
  • George Dean on Numbers 10
    what does the bible say about helping or saving children
  • Jimmy Igoti on Numbers 10
    What does the word vigin mean at Amos 5:2?
  • Sacha - in Reply on Numbers 10
    Hi Mild Bill ,i always appreciate your posts ,if i start to tell you of my faith i may never shut up ! At the moment im recovering from coronavirus so i dont have much energy to concentrate and type but maybe when im fully recovered ,i will say that like many people ive had some tough patches in my life and i have some times been my own worst enemy but God has shown me enormous mercy generosity and kindness all through my life and i know that if it wasnt for His love and protection and guidance i would either be dead many years ago or insane or even worse ! His love is overwhelming to me and i cant find the words .
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Numbers 10
    Amen Mild Bill.

    Jesus is in the midst of the candlesticks, the light proceeds from us shines on him.

    Revelation 1:13 (KJV) And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
  • Mild Bill - in Reply on Numbers 10

    "about your own faith and salvation" "how you feel about God"

    Your own faith is what you trust to be true. Salvation is a plan that God has revealed in his word.

    Sometimes people use the word feel in place of understand. In talking to other people it is always easier if you are explaining what you understand. How about you telling me what you understand to be the way God saves people. Of course you "don't have to", but Jesus has explained that "Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house." If what you have is of God, he wants you to shine, and not be uncomfortable or unable to talk about it.
  • Sacha - in Reply on Numbers 10
    Its not always easy to put into words how you feel about God ,Jesus and the Truth about your own faith and salvation ,some people find it easier than others ,for me its a very personal thing ,often people ,usually atheists ,ask me about it in a very challenging or confrontational way and they dont get one word out of me ,i can tell they interprit my silence as some sort of victory for themselves ,even among other believers i prefer to keep my chat light ,my faith has been a long time developing and is most precious to me ,i dont feel the need to explain it or justify it im just very very thankfull that God has allowed me a measure of understanding and He has allowed me to know that i am never and have never been without Him .
  • Chris - in Reply on Numbers 10
    Shana, on this Site's Main Page, find the word "More" on the Top line. Click on it & scroll down to "How to become a Christian".

    Remember, it's not just going through some formula to be saved from sin - salvation comes from a deep sorrow for your sin & your desire to turn away from such a life & finding forgiveness & a new life only through Jesus, God's Son. Read those verses given there & if you don't understand anything, please write again so that we can explain it to you. It is your full belief in what God has done for you that gives you salvation & NOT by what you can do for God. We can never do anything that could cause God to forgive us - He could only forgive us on His Terms & that is, His Son gave His Life in your place so you could be forgiven. Think deeply on these things & follow through with a true repentant heart before God. He will hear your cry to Him & He will forgive you.

    John 6:37: "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." You can rest on that Promise directly from Jesus to you.
  • Mild Bill - in Reply on Numbers 10

    "how can I get saved"

    But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

    For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

    For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Romans 10:6-13

    You "getting it" is between you and God. When you not only understand, but believe/fully trust he paid for all your sins, he makes himself known to you personally. The confidence that you will have in that relationship is something only you can say is sure. Nobody can tell you, you are saved, and when you are saved, nobody can take that reality away from you.

    Give God a call, it's toll free for you, because Jesus paid it all.
  • Shana - in Reply on Numbers 10
    how can I get saved
  • Chris - in Reply on Numbers 10
    The Apostle Paul is writing about his authority to bring the Corinthians teaching from God's Word & this he did through the Holy Spirit Who makes God's Word real & applicable by writing it in our hearts & not on tablets of stone.

    When Paul was first Saul the Pharisee, his teaching came from both the Law of God & the traditions of men (i.e. Rabbinical teaching). He now writes that he no longer teaches that, nor can he, as the new life he has in Christ urges him to proclaim the message of the New Covenant & not the Old. What was the teaching under the Old Covenant? That man (the Jew), had to note every written Command of God ("the letter of the Law"), & had to given mental assent to it & obey it to the letter. If he failed, he suffered terribly. This was because the Law was given to show them how sinful they were, how they couldn't find complete deliverance from sin, & therefore any attempt to obey the Law fully would never work & would only result in their death/judgement.

    But, writes Paul, unlike the Letter of the Law, the Spirit of God Who writes God's Laws upon our hearts, enables us to know what is sin & what is not, what pleases God & what doesn't, or how to use discernment over many things that come to us. And so our immediate confession to God when we fail Him & sin, sees the efficacy (continual application) of Christ's Blood for our cleansing & an assured, joyful heart. The Jews never had that experience, because the Law wasn't designed for that - it only brought him death & not life. But Jesus said, "I am come that they might have LIFE, and that they might have it more abundantly." John 10:10.
  • Rod - in Reply on Numbers 10
    Hi Barry sorry to correct you once more but Moses father in law was Jethro, and yes he did tell Moses to set up leaders to help him judge the people, and the most serious matters Moses would judge, On a side note this would be similar to what most democratic nations have as a judicial system today. While reading your comment I realized that I had forgotten that Moses was also married to an Ethiopian woman, so thank you for reminding me. GB

    Exodus 18:1 "When Jethro, the priest of Midian, Moses' father in law, heard of all that God had done for Moses, and for Israel his people, and that the LORD had brought Israel out of Egypt;" Exodus 18:2 "Then Jethro, Moses' father in law, took Zipporah, Moses' wife, after he had sent her back," Exodus 18:21 "Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens:"

    Numbers 12:1 "And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman."
  • Darlene on Numbers 10

    Can someone help me understand 2 Corinthians 3:6....what did Paul meam when he said the letter killeth?
  • Barry on Numbers 10
    I posted an incorrect reference about Numbers 10:29-33. I just gained some clarity from my confusion. Hobab was Moses' father-in-laws's son.(Moses' brother-in- law) It was Moses' father-in-law,Raguel, in the book of Exodus who had visited him sometime after he lead God's people out of Egypt. Raguel brought Moses' wife & two sons with him & he also gave Moses the idea of delegating the task of judging the disputes amongst the people to others as Moses was tiring himself out being the sole judge of the people. So I am assuming when Raguel declined Moses' request travel to the promise land, he returned home with Moses' wife and two sons. Did Moses ever see them(the wife & sons) again.
  • Barry on Numbers 10
    In Numbers 10:29-33, did Moses father-in-law, Hobab, to whom departed from Moses returning to his homeland. The word 'they' was used, I have two questions. Was Moses' wife & two sons part of the they mentioned in 10:33 who returned to Midian with his father-in-law? And did Moses ever see his wife & sons again?

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