Matthew Chapter 8 Discussion



 
  • Adam - In Reply on Matthew 8 - 1 year ago
    Hi Freddie,

    I'm happy to offer my opinion. We can and should worship God every day, but many churches choose Sunday as a day to worship I believe because the first century church met on the first day of the week- Sunday. Read Acts 20:7. Since that is an example we are given, surely that's a good time to meet.

    For your 2nd question, can you please provide scripture with the east/west that you believe is confusing? Christmas- I don't know. I kind of doubt Dec 25 was the correct day Jesus was born. But we also don't know the exact place in Bethlehem or elevation Jesus was born. There are many variables.

    What some Roman guy or Catholic said or did carries no weight or credibility. The fact is Acts 20:7 said long before them that they met on the first day of the week so its not wrong to gather that day.

    As for 666, people into numerology can make any book have the same 'coincidences' through enough research, but this is merely confirmation bias. It's similar to the birthday paradox how it seems illogical and almost like a conspiracy how with so few people you have 2 or more with the same birthday. It's a cute party trick just like the 666. It's equally likely to find 555 or 444 or any other sequence if one crunches enough numbers, but it doesn't mean anything. If some day I see people funneled into taking a mark with 666 on it then I will know with certainty that is something to avoid, but someone doing a little trickery to make a coincidence seem like its not is insignificant in my opinion. God bless.
  • Freddie roberts on Matthew 8 - 1 year ago
    why do we worship on Sunday instead of Saturday? If the star appeared in the east, how could the wise men end up in Bethlem which is west. Why do we celebrate Christmas in December when there are no shepherds in the fields in December because they are kept in town until warm weather......could you shed light on these questions. I know that Constantine 1 decreed on March 7 321 that all worship in Rome would occur on Sunday the day of sub worship but when II added everything up, I got a bad number..... March 7 is the 66th day of ear and adding 321 Ad 3, 2, and 1 is 6 which together is 666.Now, according to Daniel and Revelation, the antichrist will be a pope and the beast that gives him his power is the Roman catholic hierarchy. SO>..... why do we worship on Sunday???????
  • Giannis - In Reply on Matthew 8 - 1 year ago
    Sorry I meant Jesus' crucifixion, not Jesus' resurrection in Matthew 27:62-64
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply on Matthew 8 - 1 year ago
    Hey Giannis,

    I did read your post to GiGi, I read all the posts. It is ok our understandings are different. Jesus fulfilled the prophets and the law down to the last dot. Jesus is our Passover Lamb that shed His blood and was resurrected from the dead on the same day of the Feast of Firstfruits.

    My understanding is the high day that John called the Sabbath was an annual Sabbath that there are 7, not a weekly Sabbath. The Passover Day that Jesus was crucified on is a preparation day and is the preparation day in the verses you listed, all leaven had to be gone before sunset on the 14th of Nisan.

    The next day the 15th was a holy convocation, a Sabbath, and that evening when they ate the Passover meal and God delivered them out of Egypt, the 15th, Exodus 12. The last day of this seven-day feast is also a Sabbath regardless of what day of the week.

    My understanding is, Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the 10th of Nisan the first day of the week the same time people put up the Passover lambs. John 12:1-12 puts it 5 days until Passover when Jesus rode into Jerusalem. If you look at the activities of Jesus from the day, He rode in and when He is crucified in all 4 gospels you may find it will not get to Friday.

    Again, I enjoyed the conversation, I am sure we both agree Jesus shed His blood for us and resurrected from the dead giving us our only hope of salvation and eternal life with Him.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Giannis - In Reply on Matthew 8 - 1 year ago
    Dear Ronald

    Please pay attention to the following verses. All evangelists agree that Jesus died on Friday.

    Matthew 27:62-64

    "Now the next day (after Jesus resurrection, Sabbath), that followed the day of the preparation (Friday), the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again."

    Mark 15:42-43 "And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation (Friday), that is, the day before the sabbath,

    Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus."

    Luke 23:52-54 "This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid. And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on."

    John 19:31 "The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."

    John 19:14 "And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!" So it was the day before Passover. In that specific year Passover was on the last day of the Jewish week, that is on a Sabbath day. Now about the different time, 6th hour of the day, I don't know to be honest and I couldn't find or read any reasonable answer.

    About those 3 days and 3 nights please read my post to GiGi yesterday, its too long to rewrite it.

    GBU
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply on Matthew 8 - 1 year ago
    Hey Giannis,

    Many people call the Passover an eight-day feast, even in Jesus' day. Some say Feast of Unleavened Bread and some feast of Passover. Passover is on the 14th and the Feast of Unleavened Bread is on the 15th -21st. In Matthew 26:17 it starts; Now the first day of the Feast of Unleavened BreadIn Mark 14:12 and in Luke 22:7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread when the Passover must be killed In John 13:1 Now before the feast of the Passover this was after the Last Supper. The Last Supper was on Passover Day.

    Passover Day is a preparation day for the Feast of Unleavened Bread. The first day of the Unleavened Bread Feast is the Sabbath, Exodus 12:16. On the 14th all leaven had to be purged from the houses and Jerusalem. This is the preparation day that is in scripture not Friday the preparation day for the weekly Sabbath.

    John 18:28 confirms the Passover lambs had not yet been sacrificed or eaten because they did not want to be defiled, they passed the blood of the lambs to the altar. This would be done after the sun started going down, any time after noon. This was going on at the same time Jesus was hanging on the cross. The Passover lamb was eaten on the night of the 15th the night they went out of Egypt, Exodus 12:29-32. Jesus was in the tomb when the Passover meal was eaten.

    If Jesus was crucified on Friday, we do not have three days and three nights and there are not that many days covered in Matt, Mark, Luke, and John. If Jesus was crucified on Wednesday, Thursday would be the Sabbath, the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and the women could have gone to the tomb on Friday because it would be a preparation day for the weekly Sabbath, So Thursday would be the only day of the week that fits scripture.

    That gives Thur. day, Fri. night and day, Sat. night and day Sun. night Jesus rose before sunrise, John 20:1 it was still dark.

    I hope this is enough to make sense.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Luke - In Reply on Matthew 8 - 1 year ago
    By George I think he's got it!
  • Giannis - In Reply on Matthew 8 - 1 year ago
    Dear Ronald

    If Passover was on Thursday, how is to be explained John 18:28

    "Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover." So according to John Jews had not eaten the Passover yet. In Mark 15:46 we are given a significant information "And he (Joseph of Arimathaea) bought fine linen (after Jesus died on the cross), and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre." If that day was Passover how Joseph was able to BUY that fine linen. Passover was holiday, no work to be done, no selling /no buying. So the Passover was to start that evening.

    What day was that? John 19:31 gives us an answer.

    "The Jews therefore, because it was the PREPARATION, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away." It says it was the preparation day, the day beFore sabbath, that is Friday

    Also see Mark 15:42 "And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath" In Greek Friday is still called Preparation Day ("Paraskevi hemera")

    So we come to a question mark. The first 3 Evangelists say that Jesus had eaten the Passover with His disciples on Thursday evening. John (who writes his gospel last of all and as historians say when he was very very old, that is many decades after the first 3 gospels were around) disagrees. He places Passover one day later. So which one is right? John is right, he had no reason to correct the others if he didn't consider that he should do. So it seems that Jesus had the passover meal with His disciples a day earlier because He knew that He couldn't have it on the right day. So Passover and Sabbath coincided that year.

    GBU
  • George - In Reply on Matthew 8 - 1 year ago
    Bruce. He was crucified Wednesday before 6:00 pm sunset on a special sabbath

    In Nissan and rose Saturday night before sunrise Sunday morning. He never

    Ate the Passover meal with His disciples because he was the Passover for all

    Mankind. Work all four gospels in correct time sequence and you'll see.
  • Alex N - In Reply on Matthew 8 - 1 year ago
    Bruce i don't know if this can help you....But on the 3 rd day after he arose 2 of his disciples met him on the road to Emmaus and said this is the 3 rd day since these things began....And we had hoped that this wd be he that wd redeem Israel....And this is the 3 rd day...Little did they know that this was the very Christ that died and had risen again on the 3 rd day....And they dined with him and he was known to them by the breaking of bread....The 3 rd day....We are early in the 3 rd day now....Spiritually speaking....Maybe he has risen again and we just don't know it yet...Jesus said that the bridegroom wd come at midnight...Which is a time of darkness....ok gbu
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Matthew 8 - 1 year ago
    Hi Bruce.

    The miscalculation is the sabbath day. Jesus had to be buried before the sabbath. (After 6:00 pm Friday starts the seventhday sabbath.) So some assumed Christ was buried Friday. But apparently they had another sabbath earlier in the week "perhaps Wednesday"

    There's 4 sabbaths observed by Israel. This would put you in the area of this issue. Hopefully others can help.

    God bless.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply on Matthew 8 - 1 year ago
    Hey Bruce,

    I understand your why. Do we follow tradition or scripture? Jesus addressed the Pharisees on traditions. The verse I love that highlight it, is Matt. 23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. It is the same with the wise men at the manger, and two of each animal went into the ark, and Jesus ate the Passover meal.

    There are traditions and sometimes people defend them fiercely. We have some traditions with memories of family, friends, and loved ones passed down from generations. Tradition is for teaching and learning as the apostles did. On the other side, things can be added to, or changes made to traditions and become dressed as something else and take away or change the true meaning.

    We must pray for the guidance of the Holy Spirit to show us what we should not participate in and what we do we do unto the Lord. My understanding is Passover day was on the 5th day of the week what is called Thursday. This day started at sundown on the 4th day, Wed. and on that day, the Lord's Supper, the garden, the arrest, taken to Pilate, crucified and died the same time the Passover lambs were being sacrificed and He was put in the tomb before sundown, days start at sundown.

    This would make the 6th day Fri. the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread which John called a high day, no work could be done other than to eat, the reason the women could not go to the tomb until the morning of the first day of the week, the Feast of Firstfruits with two sabbaths Fri. and Sat. I can give the scripture if asked.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Brother Chris - In Reply on Matthew 8 - 1 year ago
    Hello Bruce,

    You are correct to believe the words of Jesus rather then men, he was our faultless savior and not even guile was found in his mouth. The Jews do start a 24 hour day at "evening" or sunset, Gen 1:5"And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day." You will need to closely look at all the Gospels from Matthew to John starting around when Jesus and his dispels kept the Passover at the end of each Gospel, keep notes its tricky to keep track, each Gospel holds a piece of the puzzle.

    More importantly Bruce I hope Jesus finds you perfect and without fault when he comes again. Have you obeyed his Gospel and his plan of salvation?

    *Repentance - turning away from all sinful evil works.

    *Baptism in Jesus' name - being completely submerged in water with the name of "Jesus" spoken of you for the remission of your sins. His name is the one you must be saved by Acts 4:12.

    *Receiving the Holy Ghost - being filled with the Spirit of God and when this happens you "will" speak in a different language "tongues". John 3:8

    But don't take my word for it take his, Acts 17:11 "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

    See it happen for yourself in Acts chapter 2, 8, 10, 19, and 22. May the Spirit of the Lord be with you in your reading!! Halleluiah!!
  • Spartacus - In Reply on Matthew 8 - 1 year ago
    Doh ! I said 6am when I meant 6pm ! Sorry .
  • Spartacus - In Reply on Matthew 8 - 1 year ago
    This might b explained by the way the Jews start and finish their days , our days start and finish at midnight and theirs at 6am .
  • Fred - In Reply on Matthew 8 - 1 year ago
    Relative to the time you speak. The resurrection happened according too God the Father time line. Every word in scripture is vital. This question u ask, I am not sure of too this point and time. What is vital, is that, Jesus did die, and rose again!
  • Bruce dye on Matthew 8 - 1 year ago
    Jesus said he would be 3 days and 3 nights in the grave. The traditions of men have Jesus dying on the cross Friday night and resurrecting early Sunday morning. Most churches do the same.....why? Don't they go by the Bible
  • Fred Scanlan on Matthew 8 - 1 year ago
    I see Jesus Coming down the mountain, I must wait as He is fast and their are many following Him. I will only have a minute. I will ask Him as I look into eyes and I know He sees my heart through my leprosy, and ask Him "if He will, can He heal Me "?

    This is the condition needed for us to be healed!

    We need His healing every moment of everyday!

    In the midst of people who want to get close, but are not in His way, we wait and watch predicting His next move! Oh, that my heart would be ready when I finally see Him face to face! As I hear Him say, "yes be thou healed!" Remember me Lord when you enter into thy kingdom!
  • Suze - In Reply on Matthew 8 - 1 year ago
    And the evening and the morning were the first day . Try reading Genesis .
  • Ronald L Whittemore - In Reply on Matthew 8 - 2 years ago
    Gerard,

    Traditions and holidays in Christianity have pagan influences that are with us today, and it is up to us individually what we do we do, we live, and we die unto the Lord. Your concern on the day Jesus was crucified, you are right, three days and three nights do not fit with Friday. What day of the week fits and are there scriptures that show what day it was?

    We know Jesus rose on the first day of the week and it was before sunrise, Luke 24:1 Mark 16:9 John 20:1. The first day starts sundown on the Sabbath day the seventh day, so it was after the sun went down on the seventh day while it was still dark.

    In John 12:1, he writes six days before Passover, Jesus in Bethany, and John 12:12-16 the next day Jesus rode into Jerusalem. This would be 5 days before Passover and with Jesus fulfilling this feast it would be the tenth of Nisan when the lambs were taken up Exodus 12:1-6. We call this Palm Sunday. The Passover day is on the 14th which is a preparation day for the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, a Sabbath day, Exodus 12:15-16.

    So, if Sunday is the tenth, Mon. 11th, Tue 12th, Wed. 13th, Thur. 14th, Passover day, the day Jesus was crucified. Friday a Sabbath that John called a high day, John 19:31, Saturday a weekly Sabbath two Sabbaths back-to-back. If it was on a Friday, it's like you said, it does not fit, if it was any other day like Sun. Mon. Tue. Wed. the women could have gone to the tomb before the weekly Sabbath with the spices for Jesus' body.

    If you would like I can give the scriptures that cover what Jesus did each day after he rode into Jerusalem, it matches as well.

    Hope this helps.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Rick - In Reply on Matthew 8 - 2 years ago
    Gerard Always be carefully studying the scriptures verses false doctrinal traditions of men which are

    changes from truth to belief systems outside of scripture, sometimes not unintentional. Remember man

    hall not live by bread alone but by Every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. 2 Timothy 2:15
  • Rick - In Reply on Matthew 8 - 2 years ago
    Hello Gerard The study I've understood in the week he was crucified timeline, according to the Judean

    calendar at that time Jesus Christ was crucified wednesday afternoon between 3pm and before sunset

    wednesday so it didn't interrupt the Passover feast[Ironic because He was Gods Passover for mankind and

    Saturday before sunset which would make for 72 hours, also according to the law again fulfilling all the

    law He had to be legally declared dead 72 Hours. My understanding from scriptures in chronological order.
  • Gerard on Matthew 8 - 2 years ago
    It is said that Jesus our Lord would rise after three days and nights. Friday evening to Sunday doesn't fit. Can you explain it?
  • GiGi again - In Reply on Matthew 8 - 2 years ago
    Yes, it is hard to be delicate about that.

    Even worse than what the dogs "do" on the lawn is when people do not contain their aggressive dogs. I've ad to call animal control on my neighbor because their two dogs kept being out of their fence and charging at me and my neighbor in aggressive ways. I hated to have to call, but it was for protection. The neighbors got much better about containing their dogs after that, since the animal control left a note saying their dogs were not registered. So, I guess there are different ways to live peaceably with neighbors.
  • Charles - In Reply on Matthew 8 - 2 years ago
    I live in a housing area that has the homes very close together. It has really hit home on how to get along with others who like to trespass on my property and let their dog do whatever on my property.
  • Gigi - In Reply on Matthew 8 - 2 years ago
    I am surprised no one responded to your post.

    I think that Jesus said that the commandment to Love the Lord your God wit all of you heart, soul, mind, and strength. And to love your neighbor as yourself, sum up what was taught in Matthew 5-7.

    What are your thoughts?
  • Jesse - In Reply on Matthew 8 - 2 years ago
    Hi Robert, I would like to share a couple things with you.

    Number one, about Gadara:

    Gadara was the center of pagan and demonic worship in that region. In fact, history tells us that Gadara was the most active place on the planet, the inhabitable world, as they knew it back then, for demonic activity and worship.

    Guess what they sacrificed in demonic worship? Pigs! These were not ordinary pigs. These pigs were raised to be used for pagan worship. They were all black pigs.

    So if you ever want to know what these pigs were doing out there, now you know why. So they came to the Gadarenes. Here is something that is also important to know. It is illegal for the Jews to have this herd in the back pasture where they couldn't be found. The pigs are unclean and they can't touch pigs.



    So it is interesting how the Lord flushed out an illegal business. And because of that, they didn't want him around.
  • David - In Reply on Matthew 8 - 2 years ago
    Hi Grace Isn't it amazing how Jesus Christ heals a man that you know they knew and when they saw him he was in his right mind and clothed, where did he get the clothing? But the people like you shared weren't concerned at all about miracle or ask questions basically got angry and ask Jesus to Leave. No humility or meekness or curiosity, I would probably have been shocked but I think I would have asked how did you do that. I believe in our day and time if God would work like that which he does most people wouldn't believe it, so to me nothing has changed.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on Matthew 8 - 2 years ago
    Sister Sacha, it says in verse 5 Jesus was in Capernaum, but in verse 28, it says Jesus was in the country of Gergesenes, I think this was probably a gentile country, that why there was swine in the country.

    I like you comments about the blessing we receive when our EYES SEE God's creation and when his POWER is displayed.
  • How Demons Get Around - In Reply on Matthew 8 - 2 years ago
    All of Gods dietary rules were for our protection. The didn't have refrigeration.

    Certainly in that scene, The Lord is showing us up close and personal, that demons can get inside of humans, pigs, to do their demonic work against the HUMANS. They were inside the man and they were able to move into the pigs. Jesus was showing us that reality. They are outlaw spirits. They do not have permission to get inside anyone.

    People yield themselves. They give anger free rule, next it invites a murder spirit to enter too. You watch porn, and later you are doing things you Know are sinful. Take a stand against it.

    Satan or Demons, principalities, powers ARE NOT HUMAN. Ephesians 6. We have armor for that: the Word of God in our mouth.

    But we must stand on the Authority of Jesus Christ and take Dominion over the demons. We have to be exercised in the kind of "fruit" they leave laying around: fear, sickness, depression, unreasonable anger, haughtiness, etc. The part of the crowd that screamed for Jesus to be crucified was demonic. Satan didn't want his head to be stomped. Genesis 3:15

    When I want to obey the posted speed limit, people act crazy. I help them go around as I pray for them. Sometimes they have fish magnets on their bumpers. :/

    Mishael


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