Matthew Chapter 2 Discussion



 
  • Bobby - in Reply on Matthew 2
    Thank you.

    God bless
  • Bobby - in Reply on Matthew 2
    Thankyou very much for the reply. It is a great help.

    God bless
  • GiGi - in Reply on Matthew 2
    Thank You Jesse,

    Your explanation is very helpful to me.
  • Ronald Whittemore - in Reply on Matthew 2
    Hey Jesse,

    Good information: truth shines from the word of God. As you said the leaders of Jerusalem should have known. I believe they did know, in Matthew 2:3-6, that Jerusalem (chief priests and scribes) was also troubled. They knew the time, but God did to them what He did to Pharoah, He blinded and hardened their hearts, John 12:40. To me this kind of ties into the things S Spencer has been sharing.

    There are other scriptures they were probably aware of, like Jeremiah 50:6 and Ezekiel 34 where God told Ezekiel to prophesy against the shepherds, (the leaders) and what God would do, Ezekiel 34:10.

    So, they were troubled to hear Jesus was born. They did not even send anyone to Bethlehem to see. You would think they would have been jumping for joy, but they did not want to give up the power, wealth, and Moses's seat they had. Jesus the true Shepherd John 10:11 first came only for the lost sheep of Israel, Matthew 15:24, fulfilling and confirming the covenant Hebrews 13:20. Jesus also told the scribes and the Pharisees their house is left to them desolate, and He will return Matthew 23:36-39.

    Their duty as shepherds was over in that generation, 70 AD, and the sheep shall be gathered again, Isaiah 11:12 Ezekiel 37:21-22 Jeremiah 23:3 and more.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Jesse - in Reply on Matthew 2
    They were actually a cast of Persian priests who were involved both as priests, as well as in the science field. They carried both aspects about them because they were involved in astrology and astronomy. In their priesthood in Persia, they relied on the stars, they relied on magic, and they relied on sorcery to gain their messages and to perform their function. They believed that when a great person was born upon the face of the earth that a cataclysmic event would happen in the stars which is kind of interesting.

    Why would the event cause them to come to Jerusalem? Well, in the Mesopotamian area, back in the days of Balaam, in Numbers Chapter 24 Verse 17, Balaam prophesied and said a star would come out of Jerusalem. This was the same area that these priests came from. They had Balaam's prophesies.

    That was also the area in which Daniel was at, and they had his prophesies as well. And so these casts of priests knew that the Jews were looking for and waiting for the Messiah to come. This means that they, The Magi, they knew from the end of Daniel Chapter 9 Verses 24 to 27 about the 70 weeks of Daniel.

    And they would count out the days and those weeks added up to 173,880 days from the time the decree was made for the temple to be rebuilt in Jerusalem till the time of the coming priest, 173,880 days.

    That's why Jesus in the gospel of Luke, He is weeps over Jerusalem and He says, "And if you knew this your day of visitation, you would have received me." He was making reference to Daniel's prophecy, because on the very day, 173,880 days after the decree was made to rebuild Jerusalem, Jesus Christ rode into Jerusalem on a donkey.

    The Jews should have known that to the exact day. But they didn't. And they rejected their Messiah. But the Magi knew. They knew that another great man was about to arrive on the scene and that if there was an event in the heavens, then this was probably the birth of the Messiah.
  • Giannis - in Reply on Matthew 2
    Dear Bobby

    We don't know that but it is obvious they had some writings or oral instructions by God(?) about that. Definitely not used astrology, that is fake science. Not astronomy either which is real science. The star had to be down near the ground to show the house where Jesus was. If it was up the sky like normal stars it couldn't show a specific point on earth. It was not a usual star.

    GBU
  • The Prophesies and Miracles of Jesus's Life on Earth. - in Reply on Matthew 2
    You can Google the star of Bethlehem and get the astronomy on that; approximate time in history, etc.

    I believe the Wise Men were astrologers, mathematicians. Observers of the Times. Quite possibly Chaldean in nature. They had a purpose to fulfill in Gods plan. Each gift had a meaning. Mary and Joseph could use the gold to live on, in Egypt until King Herod died, in Israel.

    It's very interesting to study the ways God provides for His purposes. For us too.
  • Bobby on Matthew 2
    I have a question. How did the wise men know the star in the east was in reference to the savior? Was there prophecies or some references in the old testament or ancient manuscripts that gave insight to this?
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Matthew 2
    Hi Phyllis.

    Google Dr. J. Vernon McGee :: Death of a Little Child.

    I Pray this Helps.

    God bless you.
  • Comfort Love and Assurance - in Reply on Matthew 2
    These scriptures are not as well known as Psalm 23; but they offer assurance that you will see your loved ones again. Hold fast to Jesus. Follow Him.

    Proverbs 2:8

    He keepeth the paths of judgment, and preserveth the way of his saints.

    Psalms 116:15

    Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints.

    Jude 1:24-25

    Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

    25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and EVER. Amen.

    2 Timothy 1:12

    For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know WHOM I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able TO KEEP that which I have committed unto him [the soul] against That day. [the day of death]

    Pencil these in a bare page in your Bible.
  • Phyllis E Quick on Matthew 2
    What verses in the bible help someone to deal with the death of loved ones, a child and a mother?
  • Denika on Matthew 2
    Its not heels its herod and its not he its ye
  • Denika on Matthew 2
    Oh why did king heels want to kill jesus. Herod: Go he forth for I dear want to know where thou art the king is born. (HERODS MIND) I WANT TO KILL HIM....
  • T. Levis - in Reply on Matthew 2
    It was tragic & horrible like at the time Moses was born. Exodus 1:1-22, Matthew 2:2,3, Matthew 2:16, fear, insult, hatred, motivated them perhaps the most.
  • English Sacha - in Reply on Matthew 2
    Yes Mabylissa ,you got it right ! Enjoy .
  • Mabylissa dutra on Matthew 2
    My question is.... Wy King Herod wanted kill everything children what born boy , because knew what any boy once the messiah?
  • LEOLA CURRY on Matthew 2
    forgetting those things that are behind me, I am pressing towards the mark of the calling of the highest in Jesus christ
  • John Boger - in Reply on Matthew 2
    Hi. Thank you for your response. Melville is dense. Another wonderful work by his is called Bartleby, a Story of Wallstreet. Many such biblical references therein. A great work.
  • English sacha - in Reply on Matthew 2
    Hi John , I too have read Moby Dick , it was hard work and I shan't read it again , you are so right , I read a lot , mostly older classics and the human stories in the Bible have influenced many good writers and helped them to write some awesome books .
  • John Boger on Matthew 2
    Verse 18 mentions Rachel and that she wept because her children were killed. Melville referenced this in the last chapter of Moby Dick. The Pequod was sunk and Ishmael is clinging to Quequeeg's coffin. Along comes another whaler, The Rachel, whose captain is criss-crossing the ocean because his son was lost in pursuit of a whale. Matthew has had such a profound impact on literature.
  • Dianne - in Reply on Matthew 2
    Jesse This ones for you the shepherds were told they would find a babe wrapped in swaddling clothes lying in a manger look up eastern culture and why that is a big deal, thought you would get blessed on that one.
  • Dianne - in Reply on Matthew 2
    Gaome You will not find the names of the Magoi but the reason they came so far with a literal caravan was because they saw an astronomical event that wasn't just a star it was actually a massing of planets, they were persian astronomers not astrology first one is science of the planets second one worship of the planets. They saw a planetary conjunction that's why they said to Herod where is He born King of the Jews, also they never a baby they saw a young child, the shephards were told to go see a babe wrapped in swaddling close. The reason the swaddling clothes was so important a sign in the east a child was wrapped in swaddling clothes indicated royalty and His words would always be pure.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Matthew 2
    Gaone Mothibi,

    The Bible never says there were three wise men. The literal Greek word is the word MAGOI for wise men. It's where we get our English word magic and magician from. They were sorcerers.



    They had come from the east. And in tracing back in history, and in tracing out the magi which they're called in English, back in the book of Daniel, as well as the book of Numbers, the magi were from the Mesopotamian area.

    They never traveled in a small group, so it's unlikely that there were just three of them. People come up with the number three because of the three gifts that were presented but the Bible never says three wise men. We don't know how many there were that came, and we don't know their names.



    They were actually a cast of Persian priests who were involved both as priests, as well as in the science field. They carried both aspects about them because they were involved in astrology and astronomy. In their priesthood in Persia, they relied on the stars, they relied on magic, and they relied on sorcery to gain their messages and to perform their function.



    They believed that when a great person was born upon the face of the earth that a cataclysmic event would happen in the stars which is kind of interesting. They believed that this great man's angel is up in the stars and this cataclysmic event will happen right before he is born.



    They literally predicted the birth of Alexander the great because they saw the cataclysmic events that happened in the stars and they knew that a great man had been born.

    Why would the event cause them to come to Jerusalem? Well, in the Mesopotamian area, back in the days of Balaam, if you remember when Balaam prophesied, in fact, in Numbers 24:17, Balaam prophesied and said a star would come out of Jerusalem.

    This was the same area that these priests came from. They had Balaam's prophesies. The Jews should have know the exact day that their Messiah would come. They missed it. But the magi knew!
  • Gaone Mothibi on Matthew 2
    Atually i want the names of the three wise man that saw the star that reveled the birth of the child Jesus
  • Dianne - in Reply on Matthew 2
    Ronald thats good stuff.
  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply on Matthew 2
    Joanne David

    The lost sheep of Israel ( Jeremiah 50:6)

    Jesus came to fulfill the law, the first covenant, flesh had to live a sinless life under the law of Moses given by God before it was considered an executed contract (fulfilled). The prophets, all prophecy pointing to the coming of their Messiah had to be fulfilled. These two things had to be completed before God could make a new covenant. The first covenant was made with the house of Israel and the second was offered to the house of Israel first but they rejected Jesus as their Messiah.

    We see in ( Matthew 10:5-8) that Jesus told the twelve, to go only to the house of Israel and not to go by the way of Gentiles. God even told them when the Messiah would come, ( Daniel 9:25) and in ( Ezekiel 34:23-24) they were told a Shepard was coming. but they did not want to give up their authority and wealth they were enjoying, meaning the Sadducees and Pharisees.



    Even when Jesus was born, they heard that it was in Bethlehem they were troubled ( Matthew 2:3) they did not even want to go see if it was their King/Messiah. We see in Acts when they totally said they reject Jesus and the new covenant, when they killed Stephen.

    Acts 7:57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,



    The Apostles continued to confirm the new covenant to the house of Israel until Peter had his dream and Paul was converted and what God told Abraham came to be, and the mystery was revealed and confirming to the house of Israel stopped. The branch was broken off so we may be grafted in.

    Genesis 18:18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?

    Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Dianne - in Reply on Matthew 2
    Just another perspective when he healed the womans child he was astonished that she even asked because anyone outside of Judean tribe were considered dogs, He healed here because she knew and believed who He was, many individuals came to Him not of Isreal and were healed because of there believing, I.E. centurions servant who jesus Christ said I have not found so great faith in all Israel, this guy said all he needs to do is say He's healed .and I'll believe it. Most people say if you show me a sign I'll believe. But originally he Came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel, when they didn't believe and rejected He went from their messiah to our Saviour and messiah. Thank God
  • Dianne - in Reply on Matthew 2
    Joanne If the House of israel would have not rejected the messiah we would not have the priviledge to be christians now but God knew they were going to reject His Son They never believed He Is the Son of God they to this day believe he was just a prophet.
  • Chris - in Reply on Matthew 2
    Hello Joanne. Matthew 15:24: "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

    Jesus had gone to the coastal towns of Tyre & Sidon which are in Phoenicia. He went to minister to the Jews there (you might remember that the tribe of Asher had inherited some of that portion of the Land of Canaan back in the days of Joshua). So, we're not told what type of ministry Jesus was already doing there, when a Canaanitish woman approached Him to heal her demon-possessed daughter. Jesus didn't want to expand His Work to all people, so initially He refused her, saying that His Mission was to "the lost sheep of Israel", or the Jews who were perishing/in darkness for lack of Truth. Some could interpret Jesus' phrase as 'to the Jews who were scattered in these far off parts', but I think the emphasis on their 'spiritual needs' was what Jesus was referring to here. If Jesse sees this, he could clarify it better than me.

    But because of this woman's great faith, Jesus just gave the Word of healing, for we read that her daughter was healed in that hour, or in that moment. And Jesus did touch the lives of non-Jews from time to time (e.g. you can look up Matthew 8:5-13; John 4:1-42; Mark 5:1-17) but His Mission was primarily to the "lost sheep of Israel".
  • Joanne David on Matthew 2
    What does this particular part of scripture means: CHRIST was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel .


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