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  • CJ on Matthew 18
    It says in the bible Matthew 18.18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

    Can someone please give me an example of what things we can bind on earth, so that they shall be bound in heaven, and what things we can loose on earth, so they shall be loosed in heaven ?

    Many Thanks

    CJ
  • Rob - in Reply on Matthew 18
    I once attempted to take an offending member of a church to the elders , the offender did not acknowledge before two elders , Song of Solomon 1 elder tried to fix the problem there and it never really was resolved, but the leading elder felt it was taken care of and would not allow it to go before the church .

    I could have been more persistent in getting it resolved , but I then learned that this church was not functioning as a church should . Some men rule , not the Holy Spirit . This was long ago .
  • Rob - in Reply on Matthew 18
    Great question , if a brother sins against another brother by offense maybe a word or action . They need to be told of it by the offended one . If the offender will not listen then it should go before the church if he still refuses to except his responsibility before the church , then then 2 in agreement being what is needed for a true witness by God have authority to bind what ever they seem fit to bind . They have the mind of the Lord and are led by the Holy Spirit .

    The problem today is trying to find a functioning church that's not got sin in it . And even two saints together led by the Holy Spirit . Really not so commonly found these days . Not just anyone can do this .

    If the offending brother makes amends with the offended , those binding can release it .
  • Oluwarotimi Daramola on Matthew 18:19
    All glory to our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ. Whatever He says, He does, Whatever He does, He says. His word is yea and Amen. Thank you Jesus for the power of agreement. I believe the word of God and encourage all my brothers and sisters to apply His words to our lives. Praise the Lord Hallelujah!
  • Andy G van den Berg on Matthew 18:20
    To ADAM

    Must have been too busy and corrected a few typos. Sorry about that!

    He that committeth sin of the devil; for the devil (your natural spirit) sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God, doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God (1 John 3:8,9).

    The following is an excerpt from the Article 'What is Sin of the book 'A World Deceived'.

    'Sin is not just an act such as prostitution , alcoholism, adultery or a drug addiction, as the spirit of this world has made you believe but is the fruit of every man, woman and child (Romans 3:9; Galatians 3:22).

    For the purpose of this article and to give mankind a better understanding of the title of this article, we would like to add the words 'abortion' and 'homosexuality' as another act.

    Sin is often referred to in the Bible in the same context as Satan, and his servants are therefore also described as the servants of sin (John 8:34). Sin is the natural state a person is born in and his/her whole being is sinful. It is the fruit of the natural body.

    As such, every person is separated from the true and living God and under the power of Satan. Religion or any form of Baptism does not change that and is a form of self-transformation of the natural body. This is how Satan has transformed himself into an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14).

    He (Christ) also informed them that they were not of God (John 8:43-47). Remember now that they truly thought that they knew God and that they worshipped him in truth, but when He dwelt amongst them they crucified Him, as they could not believe His message of repentance (1 Corinthians 2:14) and did not like it that He convinced them that they were sinners and that they lived under the power of sin (Satan).

    Seek, and ye shall find (Matthew 7:7).

    In His Service.

    Andy & Dianne van den Berg - Nova Scotia, Canada
  • Andy G van den Berg on Matthew 18:20
    On Matthew 18:3

    By nature every person is born in sin through the sinful seed of their natural fathers and conditioned therein (1 Peter 1:23). For that reason and in order to become a son of God, which are born of God, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God, a person must be 'Born Again' (John 1:12,13; 3:3-7; 1 John 3:9; 5:4).

    God is the judge over His Church and teaches us that you must be 'Born Again'. No believer and follower of the true Christ has ever made a claim that they are 'Born Again'. That is judging oneself and falsehood, as in truth they follow after an image of a false god and a false Christ (Matthew 24:24; Mark 13:22; Galatians 4:8; Revelation 12:9). This is how Satan has transformed Himself into an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:13-15).

    Only through 'True Repentance' will God be able to reveal Himself, and adopt you as His sons and daughters (Romans 8:15,23; 2 Corinthians 6:18; Galatians 4:5; Ephesians 1:5; Hebr. 12:5; 1 John 3:1).

    The word 'Repent' means a lot more than what people by nature have been conditioned to believe. It is the key principle of all the teachings of Jesus Christ and the axiom (basis) of the Word of God and a prerequisite and primary requirement for the salvation of mankind. It actually means the changing of spirits - to turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God (Acts 26:18).

    For a better understanding and the 'spiritual truth' of what it means to repent, and learn how and by whom mankind has been deceived (Revelation 12:9), and what people must do to be reunited with the true and living God, we invite you to seek Him according to the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive (John 14:17).

    You need not that any man teach you (Isaiah 54:13; 6:45; 1 John 2:27), It is only by revelation of God that you will come to know Christ (Daniel 12:4,9; Amos 3:7; Matthew 16:17; Luke 2:26; Romans 16:25; 1 Cor. 2:10; Galatians 1:16; Ephesians 3:3,5; Revelation 1:1). It is a narrow way that leadeth unto 'Life', and few there be that find it.
  • WHO WERE THE NICOLAITANS on Matthew 18:20
    Who Were the Nicolaitans, And What Was Their Doctrine and Deeds?

    But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. Revelation 2:6

    Have you ever wondered who the "Nicolaitans" were, mentioned in the book of Revelation? Whoever they were, Jesus loathed their doctrine and hated their deeds. Let's delve into this subject today to see if we can ascertain the identity of this group. What was their damnable doctrine? What deeds were they committing that elicited such a strong reaction from Jesus?

    Let's begin in Revelation 2:6, where Jesus told the church of Ephesus, "But this thou hast [in your favor], that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate."

    Jesus was proud of the church of Ephesus for their "hatred" of the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which He also "hated."

    The word "hate" is a strong word, so let's see exactly what it means. It comes from the Greek word miseo, which means to hate, to abhor, or to find utterly repulsive. It describes a person who has a deep-seated animosity, who is antagonistic to something he finds to be completely objectionable. He not only loathes that object, but rejects it entirely. This is not just a case of dislike; it is a case of actual hatred.

    The thing Jesus hated about them was their "deeds." The word "deeds" is the Greek word erga, which means works. However, this word is so all-encompassing that it pictures all the deeds and behavior of the Nicolaitans; including their actions, beliefs, conduct, and everything else connected to them.

    Search the TITLE of this article on Renner dot org to read the whole thing. Mishael
  • Sunday Levinus Alaka on Matthew 18:20
    This doesn't mean that Jesus doesn't hear our prayers when we pray alone or with two or three people etc. He does. But it means that this particular verse is not talking about Jesus' presence in prayer, it's talking about His presence in church discipline.
  • S.Lipton on Matthew 18:20
    Where two means Husband and Wife and three means child or children. So when a family gather for family prayer in the name of Jesus , He is there in the midst of them. In a christian life family prayer is very important like God Trinity which put the family together always. Iff Jesus comes in the midst of us, then Father and Holy spirit also be with us and also angels will join them surely. Our home will become a small Heaven.
  • Ian Maclean on Matthew 18:6
    This verse certainly include those who sexually abuse children.
  • Harold Willett on Matthew 18:20
    I feel sorry for so many people. God's words are alive. If his book the Bible had legs it would walk. As I read the different things that people say to interpret God's words for the most part there all Wrong. Where to or three are gathered together in my name there i an in the midst of them. The Holy Spirit guides me into it's meaning for me not for anyone else but me. Same goes for anyone else that reads his words San all for guidance. Myself and Jesus are two by itself. When I'm in prayer when God i do it through Jesus guided by the spirit of Jesus that's already inside of me. Jesus is with me when I'm before God. Many do not understand this because only those of us that have a really true relationship with Jesus can understand these things. So many go to church thinking this does it relationship wise but it does nothing at all nothing. People understand the word relationship but don't understand it when it comes to there salvation. It's not about being perfect I'm not in not even close it's about a true honest relationship when him. I don't even go to any church Anymore. I'll backslide if I do and I know it. I'd like to go preach but no one will have me I've tried before many times. People are afraid of the TRUTH and FACTS. Common Sense is the best way I know to describe God's words when reading them. Lead me not into temptation but deliver me from evil and the Holy Spirit along with God's words did that for me. Let the Holy Spirit be your guide no one else no networks no preachers no friends him and his only it you won't get your deliverance ever. If I had time to share my testimony here you'd call me a Liar. No one lives like I do has what I have and does what I do no one Period. I race one of the most expensive cars on the planet and do it with hardly nothing. How? It's called being Blessed and that's a totally different story of how God works through Jesus and his Holy Spirit. It's Holy a reason. I will come speak anywhere I'm invited. Just get me there @bac
  • Peter Grant Budgewoi Australia - in Reply on Matthew 18:20
    I agree regarding "The Church" buzz - The more I learn I see thousands, if not millions being lead down the garden path (The wrong one) I have been in the Way now for 42 years & do not attend Church anymore with their women preachers, immoral dress codes, in which so called Christian women reveal themselves (they are a joke - surrendering to a Jezebel sprit)

    The pandering to transgender & homosexual roles in the pulpit and leadership. the amalgamation of masonic symbols and practices in their Rock concert type SO CALLED praise & worship. "Rock music" (Rock n Roll) abbreviated, refers to the 50s & what happened in cars when a sexual act was in progress Rockin and Rolling" and those inside also.

    AHH! but brother "forsake not the gathering together of yourselves - is the bullet fired! But these words burn in my spirit

    Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, said the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,2 Cor The world is littered with FALSE PROFETS, and money grabbing ministries, that condemn you for not tithing - enabling playboy type life styles of these- so call Pastors, teachers & Prophets!

    Anyone that is spreading the WORD - Like Paul - Should have a job, & not "Fleecing the Flock"

    Somewhere between Gino Jennings (Fire and brimstone Yell & Tell ) at the top end of the scale & Kenneth Copeland & all the other blab & grab ministers of darkness at the bottom end of the scale - Lies the truth!

    Oh dear Yahweh - Here my prayer- Reveal the truth of Jesus to me, and all others who are weak, heavy laden & desire in our hearts to please you only.

    The topic in discussion -"Where 2or3 three are gathered - I am in the mist - really needs no theorizing! v19 IF 2 OF YOU SHALL AGREE on earth as touching anything that they shall ask - I believe is Jesus BACKING a prayer of agreement between 2 or more

    Bless u Sir and all who read this
  • A bible believer - in Reply on Matthew 18:20
    I don't know what kind of church you go to but my church does none of those things. I thing it is best if you find either a church online or another church.

    It is better if you go to a church to better edify not only you but others. we can see in Acts 15:1-7 that a Church is suppose to edify others.
  • Peter Grant Budgewoi Australia - in Reply on Matthew 18:20
    Again I say - If they aint preaching the truth and compromising it - I don't need their edification, or to fellowship with the mislead - And it is certain they will not want to hear what I have to say to them!
  • A bible believer - in Reply on Matthew 18:20
    why shouldnt a woman preach. maybe you are refrencing to 1 corinthians 34. that was because they were under the law. the law was that women could not speak. At that time there was a lot of tension between state and church. We are not under the law anymore so we do not need to follow that command anymore. The Bible fights for faitness and not sexism between the two sexes.
  • Peter Grant Budgewoi Australia - in Reply on Matthew 18:20
    Do more research Mate!!
  • Carl - in Reply on Matthew 18:20
    Definitely I agree, that we see a lot of what the Lord does not want in churches. They have forgotten what scriptures say about certain things. Now in days they want to hear what itching ears want to hear, and allow certain things to be portrayed that the Bible calls wrong. I have recently had experiences with three churches, one of them thought it was ok to allow certain preaching because they were trying to make wordly thing fit in to be comfortable. I spoke to the preacher and he recognized that certain things were wrong. But, there was no change. In another Church the preacher had a miss conception about grace. For we know that grace of God lead us to repentance. He repented and recognized something...and his way of teaching switch. Have faith we see what was written. And we need to do our part and be ready for His return.
  • Harold Edward Willett - in Reply on Matthew 18:20
    Sorry about some of the wording in my last comment. I can't find any way to go back and fix them but I'm sure you will get my points
  • Peter Grant Budgewoi Australia - in Reply on Matthew 18:20
    All good Mate - I hear you loud and clear
  • Harold Willett - in Reply on Matthew 18:20
    Thanks for your feedback and may Jesus Christ Bless you. I'm no longer a church goer either plus Jesus never said anything about going to church not specifically anyway he just said to fellowship and I can do that anywhere I want to. He also never told anyone to give to any church but he did talk about the store houses they did have back in his days here. Feed those with 10% of what you've got. This other man that commented on my post is correct about the churches and they're people. Talk about being judgmental they're wicked. I believe in loving others and speaking the truth in love not anger as so many do that think they're perfect souls. Many have told me God's in control and he's in charge. I don't know what God they have but its not the one I serve that's for sure. I wish God was in Control and in charge they're wouldn't be a got heaven then would they're? If he was in control and I'm charge we'd never commit a sin but he gave us all free will to make those decisions for ourselves didn't he? I know he's never in charge of my sins and I'm sorry every single time I break his Heart. I'll tell you who the real Christian's are it's those with a real relationship with Jesus Christ the sinners like myself that have a conscious in there soul because the spirit of Jesus Lives their and he loves those that don't make excuses or yet to any as if there better than anyone else. Those preachers an pastor's those so called Drs in those pulpit's that won't allow a man like myself to come speak in there so called houses of worship they've got a huge problem with the Father i serve and that I know without doubt or Question. The world's going down hill because of it. TRUTH and FACTS aren't spoken in pulpit's anymore because it just hurt those cans you pass around and we can't have that can we? I'd love to have 5 or 10 or even more pastor's at around table Televised to answer some questions with me. Any takers? This is about TRUTH and FACTS and the words of Almighty God not me.
  • The Church of Jesus - in Reply on Matthew 18:20
    You've made some good comments. Maybe Church was easier in Acts 1. It's just that Jesus said, "upon this rock I Will Build My Church." It's His Church.

    We don't get to legislate how that happens.

    I do know that the Rewards will be sorted out at The Bema Seat Judgment of Jesus Christ. Rewards or Lack of Rewards. Acts of all Christians will pass through Fire.

    Anything less than silver or gold will be burned up (wood, hay, stubble). Jesus is the only Judge of His Church.

    We are told not to judge. With righteousness judgment only. We can depart from a Church we truly feel is out of order, and attend another. Personally for me, I would switch the channel on the tv or listen to Christian Radio. I listen to sermons on Youtube, too.

    We are in control on what we feed our own spirits. You can eat a lot of cotton candy or you can find yourself some heavenly meat!

    I love and miss Billy Graham and often listen to His meetings. We will be judged on the food we put in our spirits.

    I'm not perfect enough to judge anybody. It's my default setting to move along and leave it To Jesus's judgement. We are told Not To Forsake Assembling Together.

    In my experience, the Lord has moved me from one feed bucket to another, at times.

    Terrible things happened in that Church and I had to go through that with them; love others and sooth some of the trauma. The Lord will stand by His Sheep in any case, is my experience. They survived the loss of their Pastor. I already had planned to go home and care for my Dad who had Alzheimer's, so my Mom could run their business.

    We can go through these things rigidly, or we can allow the Lord to do His Work in our lives. It's a choice we have to make with the leading of the Holy Spirit. Be at peace with Jesus in all things. Move along when HE leads you.

    Mishael
  • Peter Grant Budgewoi Australia - in Reply on Matthew 18:20
    I don't judge anybody - But clearly and simply - If they aint doing what Jesus says and teachers - They have another master ( I wonder who that could be??!!)
  • Mishael - in Reply on Matthew 18:20
    I had a similar situation sorta kinda. All the money my mother had after my Dads death from the sale of a home and business was siphoned off by other drug addict siblings.

    She finally called me to come get her and take her to my house. She lived with me till she died.

    It was the Christians who came calling to get anything they thought was hers. It wasn't. Just to shame them, I let them have everything they asked for. And then it was over. Then God really did a huge work within me on forgiveness. It lasted a couple of years.

    Now, my soul is truly free and clean before my Lord and Savior. The peace of letting go of what others covet is beyond description.

    That's all that matters, in the end: How is our relationship between us and Jesus?

    I never knew I'd be asked to not only give my shirt, but give away my coat too.

    It's better to live your life for heaven right now; rather than after death. Whatever God asks, just give it. He replaces wood, hay and stubble with wisdom. I am reconciled to my family and all is well with my soul.....is all I can comment.

    I want my kids to remember what it looks like to be a Christian.
  • Harold Edward Willett - in Reply on Matthew 18:20
    I agree Mike. I've forgiven but I haven't forgot I never will but good has replaced much more in my life that I would have been given otherwise. One of my family members passed away not long ago and no one called me except for the one Uncle my dad's brother that I have so much respect for. He told me he had heard about it so I sent to that funeral and if I hadn't said hello to those church going relative's they wouldn't have ever spoken to me but I did the right thing. They thought she my mother passed away my life with be horrible hahaha little did they know. One can forgive but one can also stay away from those that cause them to stumble which is excatly what I've done. I'm so much better off. Now I have the Best friend's I could ever ask for. First time in my life I've been so happy an it's all because of Jesus no questions about it whatsoever at all. Best to you my friend
  • Will - in Reply on Matthew 18:20
    Many people are confused about speaking a 'Testimony'

    you must be born again ...you must be taught the Word by true pastors

    Christ do not dwell in temples made by man hands...

    Woe to the Pastors who destroy and scatter my flock.

    The Testimony we are to speak is the Word of God.

    1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

    2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ,

    11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
  • Harold Edward Willett - in Reply on Matthew 18:20
    Will where in the Bible does Jesus tell anyone that they must be taught the words of God by other pastor's?

    The word of God as a testimony I agree with because God speaks to us all daily is we listen. Are you trying to tell me that a testimony is only to speak what's in the word of God? I just wanted to be clear on what your telling me because all I see is a few scriptures. Can you be more clear in your own words what your saying? Thank you
  • MILK OF THE WORD or STRONG MEAT - in Reply on Matthew 18:20
    Hebrews 5

    2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity.

    3 And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins.

    4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.

    5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

    6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

    7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

    8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

    9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

    10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

    11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.

    12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, YE HAVE NEED that one teach you AGAIN which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need OF MILK, and not of strong meat.

    13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

    14 But STRONG MEAT belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses EXERCISED to DISCERN both good and evil.

    Comment:

    If we're born again and Baptized by the HOLY SPIRIT; we are indwelt with Our Teacher. We DO have need to read the Bible and ask the Holy Spirit to teach us what we are reading.

    We need to not forsake gathering together either. Sit under a Pastor. Note the scriptures. Study at home with THE HOLY SPIRIT. Gorge yourself on the Bible daily.

    Read Commentaries too. Pray for the Meat.

    Mishael
  • Carleton - in Reply on Matthew 18:20
    The Holy Spirit by peace and witness in the soul is our continued guide to stay separate from returning to the condemnation- James 5:12. It is for this reason that a Christian must at one time know their born again time, before the Baptism of Holy Spirit in their heart/ soul and after, that way we can judge ourselves whether we be in the faith once delivered to the Saints by the steadfast peace. Without this peace which is the Holy Spirit in us, we may have returned to the unbelieving thief on the cross.
  • Mishael - in Reply on Matthew 18:20
    Out of the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses, let a thing be established. All must be in agreement, to be truth from the Lord.

    We can be sitting ducks for false prophets, false teachers, wolves in sheep skins, Antichrist or his Antichrist spirit (demon).

    Don't let your self be led into Apostasy. You could end up in hell.

    Now go google on those words. Type Bible At the end of your question.
  • Carleton - in Reply on Matthew 18:20
    Here is another place in the Bible that supports not being a Christian island but instead, in humility supporting Jesus's bride the living church which is promised that the gates of hell will not prevail against her.

    Hebrews 13:1

    Let brotherly love continue.

    From experience, the more the better!

    Carleton, by love.


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