Matthew Chapter 12 Discussion



 
  • Scott Dumm on Matthew 12
    question;

    If he died on Friday and arose Sunday morning how is that possible
  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply on Matthew 12
    Hey Scott,

    Passover is on the 14th of Nisan; it is a preparation day for the feast of unleavened bread, which is the 15th through the 21st. The first day of this feast is a holy convocation (Sabbath) the only work you can do is to eat. Jesus was crucified on Passover day and died around 3 PM. They had to get Him in the tomb before sundown which would be the first day of the feast a Sabbath day.

    Many choose Wednesday for that day but if Jesus was crucified on Wednesday and put in the tomb before sundown, the first day of the feast would be on Thursday a Sabbath day. That would leave Friday a preparation day for the weekly Sabbath on Saturday. The Mary's and all the disciples could have gone to the tomb on Friday with the spices and anoint Jesus' body because there were no restrictions on Friday.

    If the day Jesus was crucified was Thursday, Friday would be the first day of the feast, a Sabbath as S Spencer said a high day, and Saturday was the weekly Sabbath. Two Sabbaths in a row puts Sunday which starts sundown Saturday the first chance they could go to the tomb.

    The crucifixion on Thursday gives three days and three nights. Thursday/ Day, Friday/Night and Day, Saturday/Night and Day, Sunday/Night, Jesus resurrected before sunrise on Feast of Firstfruits which He was the First Fruits of those who slept.

    What is kind of confusing the Passover lambs are killed on the 14th Passover day and are eaten the night of the 15th the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread?

    (Exodus 12:3-11) (Exodus 12:29-33) (Leviticus 23:5) (Numbers 33:1-3) (Deuteronomy 16:1-8)

    Oh, by the way, the word even, is anytime afternoon when the sun starts going down until sundown which starts a new day.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Matthew 12
    Hi Scott.

    We tend to try and fit 3 days and 3 nights in between Friday to Sunday When Jesus rose from the grave. The reason for this is we know by scripture they wanted to get them off the cross because it was the preparation. and the sabbath was following. But it wasn't the day of sabbaths, it was the ( High sabbath ) that they was concerned about. It came earlier in the week. placing it sometime around Wednesday before 6pm. Ending 5:59 pm Thursday. "Their days are 6:01 to 5:59 As our days are 12:01 to 11:59."

    "The High sabbath is one of the annual sabbaths, not the sabbath of days.Which is Saturday and can fall on any day".

    They had 2 Sabbaths that week first the high sabbath, "annual" and the days of sabbath, "Saturday"

    Note:

    John 19:31. The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (FOR THAT SABBATH DAY WAS AN HIGH DAY,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

    So that would account for the 3 days and 3 nights and Jesus rising on Sunday morning, which starts 6:01 pm. "On our clock this would be Saturday" On their clock it's Sunday.

    Note:

    John 20:1. THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK COMETH MARY MAGDALENE EARLY, WHEN IT WAS YET DARK, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

    Not sure how accurate but we are in the vicinity.

    I hope this helps God bless.
  • Dianne - in Reply on Matthew 12
    Scott Dumm You are correct that's not possible, by judean calendar at that time, He was crucified and and entombed between 3pm. and sunset wednesday so that the jews could eat there passover, He raised from the tomb sometime saturday 72 hours later. I'm sure you will be given a few different perspectives on this. God Bless
  • Dianne - in Reply on Matthew 12
    Scott It is Not possible since he had to be in the grave 3 days and 3 nights , by judean calendar at that time he was crucified wednesday before passover was celebrated sometime before sunset and rose saturday sometime before sunset again Judean time.
  • Chuck on Matthew 12:32
    My commeit is if we are borne again Christians Jesus is not talking to us. About the sabith or healing or not abideing the law. we are sinners saved by grace in Mat 28 he will give us a chance to prove ourselves on the third day
  • Glenn - in Reply on Matthew 12:32
    If you are in a flesh body ,.. you have been " born again " you've passed the first test ! Remember, there are several thousand, that refused to be born of woman , but instead, left there habitation, to disrupt the plan of God , Jude , first 6 vs's
  • Delores Mayweathers on Matthew 12
    Give me a summary of chapter 12, the meaning of the whole chapter.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Matthew 12
    Delores,

    It would be difficult in such a short space to summarize the entire chapter. I can share with you a few things and break down the outlines of the chapter for you if that helps. I can also share some key verses and some memorization verses. If there are any specific verses that you would like help on, I or someone else here might be happy to help you.

    Chapter 12 can be broken down into five outlines: Verses 1-8, Eating Grain on the Sabbath, Verses 9-21, Healing on the Sabbath, Verses 22-37, Committing the Unpardonable Sin, Verses 38-45, Seeking of a Sign, and Verses 46-50, the Understanding of True Family.

    Each of these five sections can be broken down separately as to the meaning of that particular section. Do you have any specific questions on any of these sections?

    There are also some key verses in chapter 12. They are Matthew 12:3, which is recorded for us in 1 Samuel 21:1-6. Other key verses are Matthew 12:5, Matthew 12:7 which comes from Hosea 6:6, Matthew 12:17-21 which is the fulfillment of Isaiah 42:1-4 and Isaiah 49:3.

    If you are into verse memorization, some verses to memorize in this chapter would be Matthew 12:8, Matthew 12:30-32, and Matthew 12:50.

    I would love to go over the entire chapter with you but it would take more than one post. Again, if there are any particular sections or verses you would like to go over from chapter 12, please feel free to ask. I would be more than happy to share with you my understanding.
  • Melinda Pinner - in Reply on Matthew 12
    12:30-32 What is specifically unforgiveable in this world and the world to come? Also, what about people who didn't know they or rather were not aware of the gravity of their sins? Even while on the cross Jesus pleaded with God to forgive them for they not know what they do..MAYBE he was speaking about the ignorance that shouldn't be ignored. Then again it IS God and he knows the hearts of man as does Jesus. So...
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Matthew 12
    Sister Melinda, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Matthew 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, in this world (age) neither in the world to come (age).

    The Word of God was written by the HOLY SPIRIT (1 Peter 1:21), the HOLY SPIRIT is in you (Colossians 1:27) (Ephesians 4:6)

    To blashpheme the Holy Spirit means to NOT BELIEVE (reject) what he is saying to you through his written word and the LIVING WORD that is IN YOU.

    By not believing, or rejecting his WORD; you would not be saved in this age or in the coming age(s); but will be judged in the coming age(s).

    After the next age, possibly ages, you will AGAIN be able to be saved.

    Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the FULNESS OF TIMES (ages) he might gather together IN ONE ALL THINGS IN CHRIST, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; EVEN IN HIM.

    1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things (in this and the coming ages) shall be subdued (they will confess him as LORD) unto him (Christ), then shall the Son ALSO HIMSELF be subject unto him (the Father) that put all things under him (Christ), that GOD (the Father) may be ALL IN ALL.

    No one is going to be left out of the Kingdom of God; but most want come into the kingdom in the age we are now in.
  • Dianne - in Reply on Matthew 12
    Delores Mathew 12:1-14 Going up against religious leaders at that time using scripture out of context and to there benefit and always accusing and condemning the common man. Also you better do things at the right time and the right place with there blessing. Also the chapter deals with controlling your thoughts with Gods word and what you speak. Thats some stuff, there's more there. This is not complete by any means.
  • Lauren - in Reply on Matthew 12:2
    Romans 5:7-9 came to mind for me. It doesn't answer your question directly, but indirectly....

    that a "good" man will not know the Lord's salvation if his goodness is his own. It is knowledge of our

    sins and our sinful nature that opens us to call out for Jesus Christ and his salvation. Otherwise we remain dead in our "good" works, though to the world we may appear important, powerful or saintly.

    7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

    8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

    9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
  • Chris - in Reply on Matthew 12:2
    Dan, I wonder whether you're thinking of 1 Peter 4:18. And there is also 1 Corinthians 3:15 but this speaks about a believer's (dead) works are burned up though he himself is saved.
  • Ron - in Reply on Matthew 12:2
    Don, yes we see in (Hebrews 9:6-14) With this, it shows Jesus went in once and anointed the Holy of Holies not made with hands. Jesus repaired the dwelling place and made it possible for God through the Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus to dwell in us. If we look at verse 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing. Remember when Jesus cried out and said it was finished. He gave up the ghost, the veil of the temple was rent in half and God left the temple made with hands, the service in the temple made by hands was over, and soon in that generation, it would be physically gone and may never be again. The animal sacrifices that never covered sin ended on the cross.

    Jesus told the Samaritan woman at the well of this very thing, the hour was coming and it did. The temple worship will no longer be where God would be worshiped and later on the temple would not even be there. (John4:21-24)

    Only my opinion, this is the place in John 14, Jesus went to prepare for us, on the cross, mansion (dwelling place) Strong's 3438. mon, Definition: an abiding, an abode. God dwelt in the garden of Eden with Adam but was demolished with sin. Now since the cross, the body of a believer is the dwelling place. Jesus's sacrifice and anointing of the Holy of Holies in heaven, God could send the Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus to dwell, abode in us. The law is written in our hearts, not on paper.



    1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

    God bless, Ron
  • Sacha - in Reply on Matthew 12:2
    Hi Ron ,it may also be worth noticing that the veil in the temple was ripped from the top downwards ,thus exposing the fact that the ark of the covenant was not there and hadnt been there for a long time .
  • Ron - in Reply on Matthew 12:2
    Hi Sacha, I hope you and your family are well, you may be right about the Ark, I don't know if anyone knows for sure if the Ark of the Covenant was in the Holy of Holies at that time or where it is today, but you know those guys would not have let the people know if it were missing. The veil was so large and thick, it is said it was as thick as the palm of a man's hand and at least 30 feet wide. It is also said it took 100's of priests to manipulate it. I don't think the earthquake did it I believe it was an angel or the finger of God, just my thoughts. Have a wonderful afternoon, Ron
  • Sacha - in Reply on Matthew 12:2
    Hi Ron ,yes it does seem as if the veil was ripped not by the earth quake as it was ripped from above ,thats a big clue i think ,also some one must have witnessed the ripping or it wouldnt be there for us to read about it ,may God bless you and all yours .
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  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Matthew 12:2
    Linda, May CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    I AGREE AND BELIEVE everything Jesse said in his comment to you. I will expand MY BELIEF a little more.

    I BELIEVE that Christ; with the elect, are and will judge the world (Satan's kingdom that Christ took back at HIS resurrection). (Matthew 4:8-9) (Revelation 11:15) (1 Corinthians 6:2) (1 Peter 4:17)

    I BELIEVE the parable of the workers; those called to work in God's vineyard, are the elect. Those called in the first hour are the apostles and others that took part in Pentecost. Since that first hour other workers have been called; till the present hour. Ourselves now being judged by the word of God; by our brothers before us, they being ONE IN CHRIST; have also become THE WORD, the BOOKS. (Revelation 20:12) ( Revelation 20:4)

    Matthew 19:28

    Romans 11:31-32

    Romans 8:19 For the earnest EXPECTATION of the creature WAITETH for the MANIFESTATION of the Son of God.

    Romans 8:21 Because the creature ITSELF ALSO shall be DELIVERED from the bondage of corruption unto the glorious liberty of the children of God.

    Revelation 10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

    Revelation 10:11 And he said unto me. thou must PROPHECY AGAIN before many peoples, and nations,and tongues,and kings.

    I BELIEVE at the departure of this body we will be given THE FULLNESS OF GOD; which also will be HIS BODY, OMNIPRESENT able to judge others as he now judges us.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Matthew 12:2
    Linda,

    I firmly believe that when we die, our soul goes immediately into the presence of the Lord. 2 Corinthians 5:1 says, "For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle (physical body) were dissolved (physical death), we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

    Paul goes on to say in Verse 6, "Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body (physically alive right now), we are absent from the Lord:"

    But then in Verse 8, he says, "We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."

    Please notice that when we're here, the Lord's with us but we're not with Him in heaven. But as soon as you are absent from the body, as soon as you experience death, which means separation, as soon as your spirit leaves your body, you're in the presence of the Lord.

    Paul said that his physical death would be far better for him than remaining alive because he knew that he would be in the presence of Christ. That is given to us in Philippians 1:23.

    In Acts 7:59, at the stoning of Stephen, it tells us that as they were stoning him, he was calling upon God. And this is the thing that Stephen said first of all when they were stoning him. He said Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. It reminds me of Luke 23:46, "And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, He said Father, into thy hands I commend my Spirit. And having said thus, He expired or gave up the ghost."

    So, when we die, our physical body goes into the grave and waits until the resurrection where we will receive a new glorified body. But at death, our soul separates from the physical body and goes to be with the Lord immediately.
  • Michael - in Reply on Matthew 12:2
    John 14:2,3

    2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

    3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

    (It is at the time of Christ's return that Christians are taken to heaven to be where Christ is. If Christians were already with Christ prior to that, there would be no need for Christ to receive them to himself.)

    1 Corinthians 15:22,23

    22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

    23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

    (It is at the time of Christ's return that Christians are made alive. If Christians were already alive prior to that, there would be no need for them to be made alive.)

    1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

    15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

    16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

    17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    (It is at the time of Christ's return that Christians are caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. If Christians were already with Christ, there would be no need for them to be caught up to meet the Lord in the air.)
  • Murray Codorwel Vengethasamy - in Reply on Matthew 12:2
    Dear And Precious Brothers And Sisters And Neighbors,

    This is a very important question like many other questions.

    What happens to the soul should be one of the most important questions to everybody.

    Firstly I would like to advise that the answer must come from GOD through HIS WORD.

    Let us read or hear what GOD says through HIS WORD.

    I Love The King James Bible because through This BIBLE, I came to realize who is the BISHOP of my soul!

    Please read :

    (1) 1 Peter 2:25 " For ye were as sheep going astray, but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

    (2) Colossians 3:3 "For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God"

    Amen
  • Sisterjw on Matthew 12:2
    4/27/2021 Response Submitted To Annie :

    (Annie's comment was on 2020-06)

    Jesus could not ever break the law of the Sabbath....Why?

    Answer: Because Jesus is The "New Law" HE Is The Sabbath! To GOD BE THE GLORY FOR THE GREAT THINGS HE HAS DONE!!
  • Sisterjw on Matthew 12:2
    Jesus could not ever break the law of the sabbath....why?

    answer: because jesus is the "new law" he is the sabbath! to god be the glory for the great things he had done!!
  • Willow Gordon on Matthew 12:36
    I was looking for verses on gossip and lying in the KJV bible and this verse really spoke out to me, I have been out of touch lately with my church and reading of my bible and just neglecting my relationship with God and Jesus. As a result I find it easier and easier to get away from my resposibilities as a christian, and in today's world it's more important than ever to lean on God. So the reason I was looking for these verses on gossip and lies is, I found myself getting caught up in this at work a bit with much regret and guilt. So I felt this verse is a good reminder to Let Jesus take the wheel as I can really mess things up when I am not listening to God.
  • Rod - in Reply on Matthew 12:36
    Hi Willow, your absolutely right, let Jesus take the wheel, let Him be the captain of our ship.

    Matthew starting at chapter 5, the Beatitudes and sermon on the mount is one of my favorites, also Galatians chapter 5 explains the works of the flesh and the fruits of the Spirit.

    Galatians 5:12-18, I would they were even cut off which trouble you. For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
  • Marie on Matthew 12
    Who were the three men who walked with God?
  • Vince - in Reply on Matthew 12
    As far as I checked, only 2 men walked with God; 1-ENOCH in Genesis 5:22&24.

    2-NOAH in Genesis 6. God bless you


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