Matthew Chapter 10 Discussion



 
  • Delilah - in Reply on Matthew 10
    Of course the soul must die ! How can death be a punishment if our soul , which is us , doesn't die ?
  • Luke - in Reply on Matthew 10
    The Pastor is WRONG, and the Bible does support the death of the soul,,,it's called the second death, at the Great White Throne Judgement if thou hath not repented and come to the Lord, thou shall perish.

    They are cast into the lake of fire, for God IS that lake of fire

    DEUTERONOMY 4:24 (For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.)

    PSALMS 37:13 But the lawless shall perish, And the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.

    What happens to the fat when it drips onto the coals in a BBQ?

    DEUTERONOMY 4:24 (For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.)

    20 And the beast was arrested, and with him the false prophet that did the signs before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone

    The Son of Perdition means liable to Die, He's the only one sentenced to DEATH thus far, but many follow him into the lake, whereby they die.
  • GiGi - in Reply on Matthew 10
    Hi Bruce,

    As I see this verse, It says not to be fearful of anyone who can kill our bodies where they do die. But to fear the One who can destroy body and soul in hell. I believe, since kill is not used in to second scenario, that Jesus is talking about eternal destruction, eternal punishment, and eternal condemnation, not the death of our soul. I believe that our soul will live immortally as will our bodies at the resurrection, either in heaven or hell. As far as at death when our bodies are dead, is our soul also dead? I don't think it ceases to exist during this time. What does it do during the time of our mortal death and our resurrection?

    I would hope to get some well thought out and well explained replies this. This discussion has been on this site before in recent weeks, but not concerning this verse, as far as I can recall.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Matthew 10
    Bruce,

    I agree with your pastor. Matthew 10:28 says, "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

    That word able is the key. This to me says that God is able to destroy both soul and body in hell, meaning He has the capacity and ability to do so, but no place in scripture supports the idea that He has or will destroy anyone's soul in Hell.

    In fact, the bible seems to teach that the soul, when it departs our physical body at death (And death literally means separation), but the soul lives throughout eternity in either Heaven or Hell. Matthew 25:46 is one place that would support the eternal existence of the soul. It says, "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." There are several other places in scripture that also support the same eternal existence of the soul.

    Now if the soul is destroyed in Hell, how could it be everlasting punishment? Some do teach that the soul will be destroyed, meaning that it will cease to exist. They call it annihilation. But the bible does not support that teaching. But I would have to agree with your pastor. As person will either spend eternity with Christ, or they will go off to everlasting (Same as eternity) punishment, completely separated from Christ throughout eternity.

    Is there any other place/s in scripture other than Matthew 10:28 that would cause you to believe that the soul is not eternal?
  • Bruce dye on Matthew 10
    matthew10:28 be afraid of him that can kill the soul in hell [GOD] last Sunday our Pastor said the soul never dies. I believe the soul does die in hell... what say you??
  • Steve - in Reply on Matthew 10:35
    Jesus has begun giving instructions about what He wants His twelve hand-picked apostles to do when He sends them out on their own ( Matthew 10:1-4). He began by defining where they should not go: to any Gentile areas or Samaritan towns ( Matthew 10:5). Instead, Jesus now says, He is sending His representatives to the "lost sheep of Israel."

    At the end of the previous chapter, Matthew described Jesus as feeling compassion for the people as He looked out over the crowds. Jesus saw that they were harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd. Those are the "lost sheep" Jesus is sending His disciples to reach with the good news of the Messiah and the kingdom of heaven.

    In saying this, Jesus was directing the good news to all the people of Israel, not just some. God's plan was that the good news of Jesus would first be preached to Israel and then later to the rest of the nations ( Romans 1:16).

    Context Summary

    Matthew 10:5-15 contains Jesus' instructions for His twelve apostles, for their missionary trip to the towns of Galilee, in northern Israel. Their mission will be to preach His message that the kingdom of heaven is near, while also healing people and casting out demons. The apostles must not take with them extra money or clothes. Instead, they will stay with those who are worthy in each town they visit. If nobody in a town believes their message, the disciples are to shake the dust of that town from their feet. Jesus will follow these instructions with a series of warnings and encouragements.
  • GiGi - in Reply on Matthew 10:35
    Dear Yvonne,

    I just read up on this by googling "wise as serpents, gentle as doves meaning. The site "Got Questions" has a good write up on this scripture from Jesus. I refer you to that site, which explains it better than I could.
  • Free - in Reply on Matthew 10:35
    Dear "Yvonne Haynes", Here you have found a question. :) Which probably has more views on it than i have. I will try to show you. A snake: Crawls, eels, bites, is poisonous, is cunning, hides, waits for the right moment.

    A pigeon: Alert, stays at a distance, flies away easily, sensitive, notices everything, wants a quiet environment, peacefull.

    In the kingdom of God for and saved souls, all this can be used for that cause and much more. These are opportunities we can use forever, and be a servant of Jesus Christ. So it is not a small option. This makes me think of all the possibilities. But we must be aware of and end up in the salad once in a while as well. :)

    Good luck and here are some words from Jesus Himself:

    Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

    19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

    20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
  • Yvonne Haynes on Matthew 10:35
    What does Matt: 10:6 mean to be wise as serpents and harmless as doves?
  • GiGi - in Reply on Matthew 10
    Thanks Jesse, Your post explains a lot.
  • David - in Reply on Matthew 10
    Kari P.S. Just food for thought no place does it say for you to hate it says they will hate you, that's a big

    difference unless I'm reading wrong. God Bless
  • Rick - in Reply on Matthew 10
    Hi Kari Another point of view because they if their not born again won't and can't understand your

    change devotion to what you consider now important, its not that I hate people who don't know or

    don't believe its just that our commitment is to God first and foremost. We cannot serve God and mammon.

    They may hate us but we walk in love of God towards them. That is the witness the change that what we

    got captivated to at one time means nothing compared to our commitment to Christ. P.S. In addition to

    what was already shared. God Bless
  • Daivd - in Reply on Matthew 10
    Hi Bro Nice perspective! Learn something new everyday
  • Jesse - in Reply on Matthew 10
    Kari,

    I would like to share with you my perspective from a biblical Greek study on this word hate. In Luke 14:26, it says " If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."

    First of all let me tell you what the word hate means. This word is MISEO. It is not the word for hostile or hatred as we know it in English. It is a word of comparison. When MISEO is used with any of the words that have to do with love, it is showing comparison.



    In other words, Jesus is saying you must love me so much that the comparison between me and anybody else, or anything else, it makes it look like you hate them. You really don't, but that's what it looks like. It can't even be close!

    Jesus is not talking about walking away from our families. He's talking about cutting the emotional ties, not cutting the relationship. We need to understand that. In our society, there's a big play on the social interaction with friends and relatives. Jesus didn't say you couldn't have family. Jesus didn't say that you have to stop your relationship with family members. That is not what He is saying.



    He is saying that when it comes to choice and service, and what to do with your life, basically it's a no-brainer. It is Jesus. Family members that don't know Jesus aren't going to understand that. But do you know what they are going to understand? They are going to see and understand that Jesus means more to you than anything or anybody else in the world.

    So this is the teaching of Jesus, you must hate. That is, love everybody much less then you love me. It can't even be close. No question about it. You love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself, and that's a Hebraism for you are going to love your neighbor according to how you love the Lord.
  • David - in Reply on Matthew 10
    Hello Kari In the context of Mathew Jesus Christ is talking about the spiritual battle, you may have family

    members who don't believe and pretty negative towards you because of your belief in Christ. Thar's why he said

    mother against daughter father against son and so on. Some personally experience this and some don't. If you

    choose to follow Christ and you were hindu they, although you haven't died they literally have a funeral service

    for you and will not talk to you again because to them your dead.
  • Kari Harman on Matthew 10
    Why does Christ want us to hate family?
  • T. Levis - in Reply on Matthew 10
    I believe it is like the nature of them. A serpent hides for conflict & watches it's opponent, yet instead of striking HE says be harmless as doves, doves are gentle don't peck or bite, they do however defend family & territory, I've also heard some will hide their nest & lead people & other creatures away from it.

    So, I believe it means when Jesus was directing HIS first disciple; He knew the dangers they would encounter as they went. Matthew 10:16-18, He knew they needed directions. Matthew 10,

    Example : I, by nature can be rather bold, knowing GOD has amazing power in all circumstance. That was before I faced severely dangerous situations for myself & family. When we were in a hostile area, unfamiliar territory overtaken with much crime & lawlessness, the LORD reminded me of these scriptures. It is wise in dangerous, unfamiliar area to be wise, observant, 'out of the spotlight', meek. It kept us safer, yet because we were different it also gave testimony. The scriptures also said "for the testimony against them" .
  • Patricia on Matthew 10
    My question is, what does the word of God means "to be wise as the serpents and harmless as doves"?
  • JR on Matthew 10
    In Matthew 10:32 what does it mean when it says "only in the name of a disciple?"
  • Whitney Reese - in Reply on Matthew 10
    Deuteronomy 24:1-4 - When a man hath taken a wife and married her, and it comes to pass that she find no favor in his eyes because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. The bible does say that in Christ

    all sins are forgiven except for blasfem
  • Lori Ellsworth on Matthew 10
    If you marry and divorce. Then marry another person and divorce. Can you go back to your first husband? And is that sin?
  • Dgjot on Matthew 10
    Jesus was talking to people who were Jews.

    After he died, and God raised Him from the dead, and He now sits at the right hand of the father- do these rules not apply to "Christians"?

    It seems to me that all these rules were for the 12 disciples only, at that point in time.

    Not for every "believer" since then, for all time.

    Example:

    19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.

    20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

    Is this why "Christians" who are being persecuted keep their mouths shut??

    Is this why those "christians" that were beheaded by Islamics kept their mouths shut? Were they waiting for God to speak through them??
  • Dee - in Reply on Matthew 10:5
    Why is it that "people who talk about Jesus" can act worse than people who scoff at Scripture, calling it a fable?

    People say "bad Christian," while I think no true Christian CAN act badly!
  • Michael - in Reply on Matthew 10
    Isaiah 53:10 "Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand."

    According to this verse, it was the Messiah's soul (or life; Hebrew word is nephesh) that was made an offering for sin.

    Leviticus 17:11 "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."

    According to this verse, the life (or soul; Hebrew word is nephesh) is in the blood. Therefore, by shedding his blood, the Messiah shed his perfect life (or soul) to atone for the sin of mankind.
  • Jill Jones - in Reply on Matthew 10
    Yes... Please
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Matthew 10
    Hi Jill,

    Just to be clear

    You want scripture on the redemption of Christ whether by blood or by the cross using old testament only?
  • Carl Daubenspeck - in Reply on Matthew 10
    Grace is for the here and now. To get us by as we come into the full knowledge of His Truth. Grace is not so we can do as we think to do without any discipline from the Almighty. When we contemplate suicide we are removing Him from the throne and we sit in His place. No, Suicide is never a good thing and IMHO is not forgivable because you have just ended His reign in your life and taken on the authority we do not have.

    But hey, do what you "FEEL" good about cuz that is the way of the "new" church.
  • Carl Daubenspeck on Matthew 10
    In the question of how many disciples did Yeshua have, it is well over 70 if you READ the WORD instead of being "taught" it by jack legged preachers looking to change the WORD for their own benefit. There were only 12 He called to be Apostles at that time. But He sent out 70 others.
  • Carl - in Reply on Matthew 10:1
    I am so sorry to hear about your situation, it is very sad. But keep on praying. You have the right approach to not fight yourself, but let God do the fighting for you.

    Romans 8:31 "What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?"

    1 John 4:4 "Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world."

    God bless.
  • Olga - in Reply on Matthew 10
    thank you for your kindness, I still fighting for hope and improve myself everyday.


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