Matthew Chapter 1 Discussion

  • Alex N - in Reply on Matthew 1
    Yes Amen Jesus loves us but his love is as a Bridegroom....He wants to know us thats when the good seed is own in our hearts....Thats y the sower of the good seed wants to sow his seed in our hearts that we might be bornagain of an incorruptible seed...Even by the words of God as Peter says

    .....Unless the lord of the sabbath had left us a seed we wd have been made like unto Sodom and Gomarrah...But the lord has left us a seed which are the words of the book in the right hand of the Father....the Words of life... Romans 9 : 29 KJV

    ...God so loved the world that he gave his only son...The living Word are the seeds of God...And to whom the word came it made them Gods...Meaning we are gonna be married to God...A marriage is when 2 are made 1...As a young man marries a virgin so shall thy God marry thee as the Bridegroom rejoices over the Bride so shall thy God rejoice over thee.... Isaiah 62 : 5...We are gonna be married to God ...ty Jesus
  • Mishael - in Reply on Matthew 1
    Right back to you. Go ye into all of your world and tell someone that Jesus loves them.
  • Landon Lavigne on Matthew 1
    Jesus loves y'all! THANK you for your commitment in sharing the Gospel! Acts 2:38

  • Roy - in Reply on Matthew 1
    GiGi Thank you for your thoughts as all such always help with further understanding.

    Best regards

  • Roy - in Reply on Matthew 1

    Thank you for your reply and yes most helpfull


  • Cissi - in Reply on Matthew 1
    Hi Roy, Before the flood the diet was only fruit of the vine and herbs of the field. After the flood animal meat was allowed, but only clean animals, as the unclean animals feed off other animals (alive or dead) and can cause us to get diseases as a result. They lived hundreds of years before the flood and the Bible tells us that we are given up to 80 years for a life span (anything over is a plus, right?) At different stages of history that has been shorter or longer due to famines, disease, and war, but the Bible clearly states in Psalms 90:10 how long a lifespan for man. A Hebrew year was 360 days. Hope this helps, Cissi
  • GiGi - in Reply on Matthew 1
    Hello Roy,

    Thank you for your testimony. I have been a believer all of my life and I am now 65. Last night I was thinking about my testimony being a boring one in comparison to others who lived many years in unbelief. I don't have knowledge nor experience of being far from God in rebellion and unbelief and then coming to faith. But as I thought more about this, I just have to admit that I have had a blessed life to be called to Jesus at so young of an age. I grew up in a believing home and was taught who Jesus was and what He did for my salvation as early as I can remember. I embraced this truth eagerly and believed in Jesus deeply as a child and this faith remained in me throughout my life. I am thankful for how God called me to Him. He spared me a lot of grief.

    In response to your post, I just want to say that I do not think that God liked mankind less and less the more they sinned before the flood nor after. Our sin grieved Him and He hated our sins, but the Bible clearly tells us across the pages of Scripture, that God loves mankind and it never changes. Yet some will receive His salvation through His grace and mercy and believe in Jesus, and many more will reject Him. But He still loves each person He creates the same. The difference to us is that those who do not believe in Him will be recipients of His holy wrath in the judgment, spending eternity without Him, and those who believe will receive His favor in redemption and spend eternity with Him.

    But God's love for mankind does not lesson because we sin. Our fellowship with Him is impaired when we sin, but that is our doing, a lack of love for Him on our part, not a reduction of love to us from Him on His part.

    Hope this helps.
  • Ty - in Reply on Matthew 1
    Hello Roy

    My apology as the scripture I meant to use was

    Galatians 5:13 rather than 3:13.

    May make more sense!

  • Roy - in Reply on Matthew 1
    Hi Rich

    Fascinating dialogue and a brand new line of thought for me to consider. I appreciate the time you have taken to deliberate on my question and provide me with this opportunity to widen my thinking.

    Very best regards Roy
  • RichFairhurst - in Reply on Matthew 1
    I wanted to clarify that astrological seasons existed before the flood from the creation of heavenly bodies on the 4th day. The ability to measure life spans in years also came from astrological observations beginning with Adam. The vapor canopy would have made seasonal variations in heat and cold much less extreme. It also appears rain occurred for the first time at the flood. Prior to that a mist watered the entire earth, which would have been more gentle and dependable.

    However, after the flood seasons became clearly associated with greater variations in heat and cold, rain and much more distinct planting and harvesting cycles. Additionally the number of observable stars increased. Man's dependence on tracking the seasons rose in importance for survival and the heavens became more fascinating, which contributed to connecting worship with men that possessed some understanding of the heavens. They led man in a transference of worship from God to the visible objects that held sway over human lives. Thus Babel and man's desire to aspire to greater knowledge connecting man to the heavens corrupted worship and led God to judge mankind with divisions that shifted their focus away from having a single culture unified in such false worship.

    There is actually a lot of clues on how significantly the world changed after the flood that prove Peter's point that the world Noah inhabited was truly destroyed and a new world emerged. Stating all things have continued unchanged from the beginning of creation and that all can be known by projecting all currently observable processes infinitely into the past is a lie. If you had never seen an egg and only projected what you could now see in an omelet infinitely into the past, would you come up with an egg?
  • Free - in Reply on Matthew 1
    Dear "Roy" In God it would be a nother world! Absolutely not like we see, hear all the noice! Belive that for your own sake.

    Be blessed from Acts 19:21-41 Love u in Christ
  • Roy - in Reply on Matthew 1
    Thank you for your response and the logical position you offer . Most definitely food for thought.

    Regards Roy
  • Roy - in Reply on Matthew 1
    Thank you. I quite like the idea that at the beginning GOD liked what he had made and gave it perhaps intended to give it immortality. Then IP pops Satan and Sin and the more men progressively and collectively sinned GOD liked them less and less and in direct proportion reduces the life span of man. Perhaps slowly down to the Crucifixion and the gift of everlasting life with the forgiveness of sins. After that GOD allows men to develop and medical research and practice began to have effect.. I am not atall sure that I want to live in this world for a 900 years anyway.

    Regards. Roy
  • RichFairhurst - in Reply on Matthew 1
    I would also point out that the first 6 generations all lived 895 to 930 years, with Afam living the longest of those generations.

    Genesis 5:5,8,11,14,17,20

    The next 3 generations had widely varying ages. Enoch lived 365 years and was translated rather than died - Genesis 5:23. Enoch is the first clearly identified prophet and his age and ages of the next two generations that died before the flood had prophetic significance. Enoch's age is a solar year of days as we now understand it, even though there is strong evidence that at that time a lunar calendar with years of 360 days was used. Methuselah lived the longest at 965 years - Genesis 5:27. Methuselah died the year the flood came and I believe his name means "When he dies it will come". Lemach lived 777 years and died 5 years before the flood - Genesis 5:31. I should not need to point out the significance of the number 7 in prophesy.

    Noah is the last generation to live over 900 years at 950 years - Genesis 9:29.

    The generations after Noah all have significantly shorter life spans after the flood. I believe this due in part to the loss of the water vapor canopy surrounding the entire earth that was created on the second day of creation. That canopy I believe protected mankind from virtually all solar radiation. Volcanic activity that condensed the canopy and that ultimately broke up the waters of the great deep also increased particulates in the atmoshere. Increased solar radiation and particulates probably contributed to increased mutations and cancers in both man and animals. The removal of the canopy also introduced seasons and a wider variations in global temperature zones along with seasonal extremes leading to famine. Combined with a change from a purely vegetarian diet to an omnivorous diet, new pathways for cross-species transmission of viruses of other disease agents may have created more pestilence. The division at Babel led to more wars. The birth pangs of Revelation took hold.
  • Ty - in Reply on Matthew 1
    Hello Roy,

    Wonderful question and I would suspect that the majority of us have pondered this at some moment in our lives.

    Over the years I have read(heard) many illogical and unbiblical answers. So what we all would like to know is how did Noah really live to be 950 years old!? Was the length of a year different? Did the Earth spin faster?(small joke)

    I will offer what I believe to be a biblical view that coincides with many a scripture.

    Romans 8:13-17

    We know that the first man in creation, being Adam, was formed in God's image, His perfection. Man formed in perfection. The closer we get to the first generations of God's creation the more God-like I believe they must have been.

    Galatians 3:13 Jeremiah 17:5-6

    Once sin began to take course the following generations began to suffer. As time passed and we come to Moses, he only lived to be 120.

    I believe that in the Garden of Eden God's creation of man had fallen due to the fall of man. In other words, had sin not infiltrated the generations of man we would still be having a conversation, today, with men of long ago. Imagine having children at 100, or serving our Lord for 900 years. I can't even fathom. Those first men must also have shared Much more in common with God than we do. Today we are "built cheap" because of sin.

    Another thought if I may. During the fall in Eden God also cursed the ground. Imagine what our world would be today.

    I hope that this helps to understand the question of time being different in the OT days vs modern day.

    God Bless you brother
  • Roy on Matthew 1
    A question not related to Mathew or even to the New Testament but to the Old Testament and that relates to the extreme long levity of many of the people referred to.

    Is there some different interpretation or understanding as to how long a year was during the era of the Old Testament?

    Medical evidence suggests that the average life of a man at that time would probably have been less than 30 years.

    Thanks for your help

  • Grae - in Reply on Matthew 1
    Most of them we can't . Love is our law now . God loved us so much that He gave us His only begotten Son and His Son loved us so much that he willingly offered himself as the perfect sinless sacrifice to cover all of our sins . Please read Luke Ch 10 V 25-28 .
  • Roy - in Reply on Matthew 1
    Thanks for sorting me out with the various titles

    Best regards

  • GiGi - in Reply on Matthew 1
    Hi Roy, I don't really have the answers about applying Levitical laws. This topic has been talked about often on here.

    But what I wanted to speak to was this. The Talmud was created during the Babylonian captivity, long after Leviticus was written. The Talmud is the interpretation of these laws by rabbis (who came into existence in this same captivity).

    The first 5 books of the OT is called the Torah and the entire OT is called the Tanahk.

    It is easy to mix these up because seem a bit similar.
  • Roy on Matthew 1
    I am also reading the Old Testament and have got to Leviticus which is the basic rules for practicing Jews as in The Talmud and is 3000 years old.

    How do we relate these rules to modern day living?
  • T Levis - in Reply on Matthew 1
    Adam just showed a link inside this site that compares several versions. If you type verse, bottom of page has "Other Translations for ___:__"

    It may be NKJV may be protected under copyright laws, limiting website uses, etc.
  • Adam - in Reply on Matthew 1
    Hello, not everyone believes that interpretation. The Bible is clear that the dead will be caught up in the air. It says they will be sleeping before that. There's more Biblical support for that than the alternative. Paul's actual quote of 'rather' being with the Lord is taken out of context so often its like the telephone game. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
  • Kevin - in Reply on Matthew 1
    To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord as when the silver cord is broken. You do have a soul and spirit, but you will also be given a new body which is changed which originated from the flesh. But, now will be changed and raised up immortal as written in 1 Corinthians 15:49-53

    Your soul & spirit are with Christ who is raised up already. Why do the ones martyred ask the Lord how much longer if the dead cannot speak (speaking of course their dead old flesh bodies). The old flesh body is asleep - but the soul & spirit are awake and praise God alive.

    God is not the God of the dead but Is the God of the living! Paradise is not where we are not conscious or asleep.

    Where is Christ now? We'll He died and took our death! Praise God we will be with Him in our last second when our flesh body passes away as our soul & spirit ascends to be with Him and forevermore. Plus we get to be with Him now because He will never leave us or forsake us and is with us!

    We are "NEW" creatures.

    Also, it says as He is "NOW" so are we in this world. Also, says that we are seated already with Him in heavenly places. Our flesh body is the only thing down here that needs to be raised or change similar to this age as it will also wear out like an old garment. The flesh body is the only thing left down here that needs to be translated.

    He is coming soon so Praise God the dead in Christ will rise first like it was before so shall it be again similar to Matthew 27:52 except those then were not yet with Christ till after His death when He set the captives free!

    May God bless and May we all look to Jesus and praise Him!
  • Charles Robert Northup - in Reply on Matthew 1
    You have a soul and a spirit, and you also have God's spirit he breathed into Adam, one place it says the spirit of man goes up and the spirit of the beast goes down plus it says there is no knowledge in the grave and death is called sleep in the OT and NT both. But if the dead in Christ rise then how can they be in heaven wouldn't they descend? With that does it matter people get comfort from Mom's in heaven watching over me, scriptural truth or fable. I always thought if we have to be judged and there is a judgement day how are we in heaven before judgement day. dose our spirit go up but our soul sleeps? Lazarus died yet Jesus brought him back to life, we see Abrham with Jesusl
  • Charles Robert Northup - in Reply on Matthew 1
    Heaven won't be about us matter of fact john shall a new heaven and earth because the old had passed away and the temple come down from heaven Rev. it says they will neither be male or female, a 71 years old person can be a babe in Christ say he was saved at 70 and died at 71 he's a year Old in Christ, Paul said it does not yet appear what we shall be so I don't think we know. An elder could be 30 if he was saved at 16 and an older person not be if they were just saved. plus we only know in part 1 Corinthians 13:12

    "For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." And some words were unlawful for Paul to speak, 2 Corinthians 12:4

    "How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

    King James Version (KJV)
  • Gigi - in Reply on Matthew 1
    Yes, Ronald

    Daniel 12:3 says


    Those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament, and those who turn many to righteousness like the stars forever and ever.

    So, we will shine in eternity. I think all of heaven will shine with the God's holy light

    Revelations 21:22-23

    Yet I think we will be able to discern Jesu' countenance and that of others

    In this life here, such light would be blinding, but in our new incorruptible bodies, our eyes will not be bothered by the light of holiness we will experience forever in heaven.

    Jesus is both the light of the world and the light of heaven.

    Obviously light is associated with holiness, so when Jesus said to let our light shine in this life, He is referring to our godly lifestyle that causes others to glorify God.

    Thanks for reminding me about these verses.
  • CHOOSING TO GO WITH GOD - in Reply on Matthew 1
    People who've died on operating tables and been resuscitated, have said children seen in a vision, were adolescents. (Including all of those who were aborted or miscarried).

    For me, who lost a child by miscarriage, it comforts me that I will meet that child someday. I named him.

    I don't think we should think of them as dead anymore.

    People who suffered disabilities in life, of any type, will be perfect in heaven. All those feelings of being rejected because of imperfection, accidents or all reasons; will be RESTORED.

    That is the Father that I've come to know and love. His heart is mercy. He truly cares what we suffer here on this earth. There will be no jealousy or envy; persecution of any type. No feelings of inadequacy. We'll all have the mind of Christ Jesus.

    Think on these things. Set your heart on what's to come. Be at peace now; knowing that what God has purposed for us will be far and above anything we can imagine.

    Glean from the BIBLE, scriptures that touch on this. Book of Job, Genesis after creation was completed; and so much more. Discover every verse that tells us specific details about heaven, Jesus, the Father, the Holy Spirit, angels.

    Right now we know when we get to Heaven there will be a huge banquet at the marriage of the Lamb; to His people. (Covenant). We know that God enjoys banquets, music, dancing and choirs; we will stroll by the Tree of Life. No memories of past pain or hurts. Just a lot of JOY.

    Search out those verses yourself and then come back here to share them with us.

    Let's all do our best to evangelize those who think Heaven will be boring. We know what we know, in our hearts, already. Jesus is who we looked for, all of our earthly lives.

    There is an equal alternative to drugs alcohol flesh parties, hollow sinful things. Heaven is NOT a buzz kill. It's JOY UNSPEAKABLE, full of Grace.

    2 Peter 4 is coming to earth. Global warming is a LIE.

  • Ronald Whittemore - in Reply on Matthew 1
    Hey Gigi,

    If we do like the little song; This little light of mine, I'm gonna let it shine, it will shine then, some brighter than others but none as bright as our Savior Jesus Christ whose light shines through us.

    Daniel 12:2-3 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

    Keep the light on and keep it shining.

    God bless,

  • Glenn - in Reply on Matthew 1
    Simply, do not even bother to try an plant a seed of truth, to people who have no interest , an are of no faith, an would rather mock an criticize. For it would only waste your time, an then they'll mock an critique you as well

  • Glenn - in Reply on Matthew 1
    Although there is no scripture on this age factor, threw my studies, I have noticed that it seems to be, somewhere between 28 - 33 ,. An sense the spiritual body dose not get sick , or grow old ,.. that is what I thought, mind you now , this is just my understanding,.. thank you


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