It has to do with the person's faith, not with Jesus' power. Initially the blind man's faith was not adequate to get a total healing from Jesus. But after he saw people like trees his faith was lifted up to get a complete healing. It doesn't have to do with Jesus' power but with the person's faith. Jesus used that man to teach us how important is one's faith if they want to get something from God Without faith one gets nothing from God. So have faith in your heart.
The message being brought out in Mark Chapter 8 can be understood by what Paul says in 1 Corinthians 13:12, where he says that now we see through a glass darkly, dimly. Everything is blurred. Obscure. But when we see Him face to face, then we will know all things.
And so it is interesting that Jesus healed him to a point where he could see things in a blurred fashion, and then healed him so that he could see all things clearly. And that's what Messiah does.
When we see Him face-to-face, He's going to make all things clear. And Jesus said I am the one.
In fact, there were many things that the Jews would celebrate, and they said we don't know the meaning of a lot of these things, but when Messiah comes, He's going to show us.
So Jesus is showing them that with my power, you'll be able to see in this life, even though it will be dimly, it will be blurred, but then when you see me face to face, I'll make all things clear to you.
Here's what took place with the healing of this man. In Mark 8:22, Jesus comes to Bethsaida; and they bring a blind man to Him and besought Him to touch the man.
Here's another instance where they said we want you to touch him. They can't just trust Him to say it. They want Jesus to touch him. But it was important to them for Jesus to touch him according to a Jewish custom.
In Verse 23, Jesus took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town. You see, Jesus was not a sensationalist. He led him out of town; and when He had spit on his eyes, He put his hands upon him, and asked him if he saw anything.
Now spitting was not just your normal spittoon and tobacco type spitting, but to the Jews, spitting was a sign of extraction. Even in judgment, they would spit on the ground.
But for the blind, it was interesting that they actually spit on their eyes, because the blind person does not know what you are doing. And if you spit on his eyes, he knows that you are going to extract the blindness. So Jesus put His hands on him and asked him if he saw anything.
The man looked up and said, I see men as trees, walking. He had blurred vision. What's going on here? Didn't Jesus heal him correctly? Well, there are some Jewish customs and doctrine that is being presented here.
Mark 8:25 says, "After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly." This makes it seem as it took Jesus two attempts to heal this man, but there's a message being presented here.
The Jews believed that man, the human being, has two kinds of vision. And Paul brought this out in 1 Corinthians 13:12, which was the Jewish version of vision. In 1 Corinthians 13:12, Paul says, now we see through a glass darkly, dimly. Everything is blurred. Obscure.
But when we see Him face to face, then we will know all things.
Mark 8:22-26, this seems to be the same account witnessed by John: John 9, whole chapter, note: Exodus 4:11, & John 9:1,3,32,33,39,
Matthew 9:27-31, notice: Mark 10:47-52, this guys "faith, immediately" Luke 18:35-43, notice, the situation you referred to: John 9:35-39,
Psalms 146:8, Isaiah 29:18, Isaiah 35:5,6, Isaiah 42:1-21, here in: Matthew 11:5, Luke 7:22, Jesus pointed out the fulfilled prophecy in those ancient scriptures. Matthew 15:31,
Mark 6:1-6,
The mind is a powerful thing, Mark 9:23, Mark 11:23,24, Mark 16:17,
Luke 8:49-50, even death Jesus said "fear not: believe only" ._.
Was it the man's doubt?
Was it an example to not give up, keep trying, keep seeking the miraculous, healings? To encourage us to press on, keep believing, keep trying. (?) or all the above._.
Jesus as The Divine Master, said to a rich youngman, that it's impossible to serve God and riches, wich He called mamon, as being that youngman's idole.
There is a trap to cach wild monkeys, that consists of an hole inside a log, where the hunter puts a quantity of seeds. The monkey puts an hand through the hole and grab the seeds, but can't remove the hand full of seeds, quikly enough to escape hunter's suden arrival to kill him. Solomon's proverbs, admonishes mankind to behave rationally, avoiding violence and greed, which is a kind of violence.
May God help me and you, to be wise touwards The Lord Jesus Who is The Life, avoiding evil and death, in order to keep The God's Will and Eternal Law, through Jesus's Justic inparted to whosoever believes Jesus, as the good thief on the cross.
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Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let US (plural) make man in OUR (not my) image, after OUR likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in US: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. (22) And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as WE are one:
Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Luke 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
(31) And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a SON, and shalt call his name JESUS.
(32) He shall be great, and shall be called the SON of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
John 12:26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father (not Joseph) honour. (27) Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
Mark 10:40 But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is NOT MINE to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared.
One lesson Jesus may be teaching is patience for others that don't see the details as clearly as you. Those whom Christ has called sometimes have a distorted view of Christ and others, but be patient with them don't discount them God is not through with them. Christ is still working with them. His work is not finished yet. Pray for them that God's mercy and grace lead them to repentance by faith and they would see the wonderful riches of God's kingdom. That they would experience the fullness of a Christlike life.
Mark 8:35-37: "For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it. For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?"
Mark 8:38, "Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels."
Those words of Jesus certainly mean, as you suggest, to deny Christ. But it could also mean that, in the midst of a Christ-rejecting people, we recoil from the Truth, whether we choose to keep quiet or even speak words that are so diluted so as to not offend anyone. We live in a World where we're being told that it's not right to offend anyone's person or beliefs. And this is correct, but when we then altogether refuse to speak up (in love & concern) for what is right & ordained in God's Word, then there is little difference to the one who is outwardly a denier of Christ in the midst of testing or persecution.
Not all Christians can be of the calibre of standing & preaching the Gospel to a crowd, but then again, most would rather keep their 'faith' private, sometimes so private that another person hardly notices that any difference. I'm retired now, but whenever I applied for a job earlier & the opportunity was there, I made sure that I stated that I was a Christian & adhered to biblical values & that my work ethic is based on my faith. Not that my position in Christ should have made any difference to the prospective employer, but I believed that the foundation was laid from the beginning, so any other action or event subsequent to it, could be seen as a result of my faith which was real & active. Of course, I too was under their scrutiny to live the Christian life before them. It's always a good policy to let others know of your new life in Christ, even in passing, for no other reason that to give you the incentive & boldness to live your life out, without reservation, before men.
Comments by Alex on Mark 8 v 22 KJV The blind man was symbolic of the Church that cd not see clealry under the 1st anointing, (Early CHURCH DOCTRINE) answers to the 1st anointing, Jesus spat ( his word ) in the blindmans eyes but he saw men as trees walking impling fruitless trees that are not grounded in the living word put out no fruit. Trees cannot be fruit bearing unless they are grounded ,Thats the early CHURCH they cd not see clearly,Even Paul said we see like thru a glass Darkly. We prophecy in part and we know in part etc But when that which is PERFECT is come, the 2 nd anointing, the 2 nd coming, the opening of the book resulting in a birth of CHRIST IN US, WHICH ANSWERS TO THE 2 ND WINE WAS THE BEST WINE. Early CHURCH doctrine was not the best wine spritually speaking.Thats y God found fault with the 7 churches in ASIA,the book had not been opened just yet,Thats y Paul said when that which is PERFECT is come that which is done in part will be done away with. The Church needs that 2 nd Anointing. thats y there are a zillion different Churches,on every corner they cannot see clearly under early Church doctrine,thus its all confusion. They have turned to money,Riches and wealth the gift of God there Doctine. At pentecost they were all intoxicated in the SPIRIT BUT THEY RAN OUTA OF THAT WINE,the best wine does not come till the 3 rd day, we are just beginning the 3 rd day now. A day being a 1000 yrs.When Jesus took the blindman by his hand and led him outta of the city means the blindman was symbolic of the early church that cd not see clearly under the 1st anointing,( early church doctrine). The best doctrine is the book in the right hand of the father that has not been opened just yet. The 2 nd wine,That image in Dan. 2 was all in Parts but it had to be destroyed,Paul said when that which is Perfect is come that which is done in Parts will be done away with. Thats y there are a zillion different Churches no body can see clearly under early CHURCH DOCTRINE.
After reading Earl's reply, Christ does things for mankind ,while at the same time the house of Israel. How his work and word are eternal . How the book of revelation also is a work in progress, now and forever until Christ returns! Too comprehend His return and how and when, are indeed are what we all look for! It will happen with some of us sooner than others. When our flesh gives up the ghost we will most certainly see Him as He is, according to the spirit that lives in us! The scripture is the light of the truths we who hope in Him speak! the voice of angels.
The Jews are not the church. If they are saved, they are a part of the church. The church is made up of all the saved no matter what nation they are from.
Thank you, our concept of What the lord has in store for those that love Him. (I) eye hath not seen nor ear heard those things He has for those that love Him. I really enjoy hearing the readers of the kjv ,their interpretation of The holy Spirit. insightful! Glory to God! May His kingdom grow according too His will!
"For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace". Christ enters Jerusalem, enters the temple, and begins his final act of cleansing it. Throwing out money changers, that bought and sold, that made His house a house of merchandise. Not unlike the cleansing that takes place when we open the door to the temple of our hearts. Christ comes in and takes His place eliminating all sin that is within us! The scribes and pharisees ask Christ by what authority He does these things? Christ reminds them of John the Baptist! Christ asks them about The baptism of John, if it were of heaven or of men? How wonderful is His word, He reminds us of the baptism of John! While he convicts the leaders of the church of sin,at the same time reminding us of our baptism that it comes from heaven and not of men!
Fred, may the Holy Spirit grace us with his understanding, when the (children of the resurrection) physical body dies our spirit (now one with the Spirit of God through the work of Christ) in the twinkle of an eye we (corruptible) shall put on Christ (incorruption), and this mortal (us) shall put on Christ (immortality). I Timothy 6:16 Who (Christ) only hath immortality, dwelling in the light (God)...... Luke 20:35-36 But they (children of the resurrection) which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that (Spirit) world, and the resurrection from the dead....(vs) 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. Psalms 103:20 Bless the Lord, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word. Psalms 104:4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire. Hebrews 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? Psalms 149:6-9 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a two edge sword in their hand; (vs) 7 To execute vengeance upon the heathen (nations), and punishments upon the people; (vs) 9 To execute upon them the judgement written, this honour have all his saints.... Revelation 14:6 And I say another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on earth ( Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years (church age) are expired, (the children of) Satan shall be loosed out of his (Gods) prison (the grave, the wages of sin is death), and to every nation, and kindred and tongue and people. Matthew 13:33 And the kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven (Spirit of God) which a woman ( Galatians 4:26 new, spiritual Jerusalem the mother of us all) took and hid in three measures of meal (us, the meat offering to God), till the whole (lump, all mankind) was leavened (by the Spirit of God).
From my observations, and I could be wrong, it may be because of the age of the Thread, or that the Thread itself has become too long. You've probably noticed how the latest comments being attached get narrower in appearance. Once I had to read a comment with one word on each line! So, I think 'locking' Threads is a reasonable thing to do & after all, a person can just start a new Comment since a lot of our comments disappear into antiquity very soon.
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. Looking through a glass darkly would not present the past, Paul is speaking of the future, since we are talking about the salvation of man ,and the kingdom of God. One Lord, one faith, one baptism. When our Lord died on the cross it was one time only, not 2. The redemption for mankind ,for the world 1 Time! This was the hope of Abraham ,Isaac, Jacob. David, the promise that you say is clouded? This anointing we receive, is his shed blood! 1 time for the sins of the world.
The spiritual kingdom is the kingdom Christ established on earth after Christ resurrection. The church are those that teach and believe that he will fulfil his word when He returns for his church. His "bride. All through the gospel we see evidence that his own received him not. I wonder if Christ preferred to be alone with this blind man since he was brought unto him, knowing once that they maybe trying to deceive him into there own craftiness? Not unlike today who deny him, even those of the "nation" of Israel. There are always those who want to disclaim Him, even in the church of our own nation. It is a good interpretation nevertheless. God is saving us all the time. Even before our very own eyes!
Alex, a second witness to the woman in Revelation 12, I Timothy 2:14-15 And Adam (symbolic of Christ) was not deceived, but the woman (symbolic of us, as is the woman in Revelation 12) being deceived was in the transgression. (vs) 15 Notwithstanding she (the woman, us) shall be saved (from death) in childbearing (by giving birth to a child (us) fathered by the Holy Ghost, same as was Christ, for our life is Christ), if they (all women, all of us are the woman) continue in faith (in Christ) and charity (in Christ) and holiness (in Christ) with sobriety(in Christ).
spread that Jesus Christ was a holy Man. Now even to this day in the middle east a holy mans spittle is believed to have
healing power so the times when Jesus Christ used spittle was because God told him to. If someone was not healed
immediately it had nothing to do with gods power it had everything to do with the unbelief he was surrounded by. When he
raised lazarus from the dead nobody believed he was going to do it that's why he wept and also that's why he said out loud
I know my father always hears me and then said out loud Lazarus come forth. Nothing has changed people still don't believe
God can move that big.
John,
The message being brought out in Mark Chapter 8 can be understood by what Paul says in 1 Corinthians 13:12, where he says that now we see through a glass darkly, dimly. Everything is blurred. Obscure. But when we see Him face to face, then we will know all things.
And so it is interesting that Jesus healed him to a point where he could see things in a blurred fashion, and then healed him so that he could see all things clearly. And that's what Messiah does.
When we see Him face-to-face, He's going to make all things clear. And Jesus said I am the one.
In fact, there were many things that the Jews would celebrate, and they said we don't know the meaning of a lot of these things, but when Messiah comes, He's going to show us.
So Jesus is showing them that with my power, you'll be able to see in this life, even though it will be dimly, it will be blurred, but then when you see me face to face, I'll make all things clear to you.
Here's what took place with the healing of this man. In Mark 8:22, Jesus comes to Bethsaida; and they bring a blind man to Him and besought Him to touch the man.
Here's another instance where they said we want you to touch him. They can't just trust Him to say it. They want Jesus to touch him. But it was important to them for Jesus to touch him according to a Jewish custom.
In Verse 23, Jesus took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town. You see, Jesus was not a sensationalist. He led him out of town; and when He had spit on his eyes, He put his hands upon him, and asked him if he saw anything.
Now spitting was not just your normal spittoon and tobacco type spitting, but to the Jews, spitting was a sign of extraction. Even in judgment, they would spit on the ground.
But for the blind, it was interesting that they actually spit on their eyes, because the blind person does not know what you are doing. And if you spit on his eyes, he knows that you are going to extract the blindness. So Jesus put His hands on him and asked him if he saw anything.
The man looked up and said, I see men as trees, walking. He had blurred vision. What's going on here? Didn't Jesus heal him correctly? Well, there are some Jewish customs and doctrine that is being presented here.
Mark 8:25 says, "After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly." This makes it seem as it took Jesus two attempts to heal this man, but there's a message being presented here.
The Jews believed that man, the human being, has two kinds of vision. And Paul brought this out in 1 Corinthians 13:12, which was the Jewish version of vision. In 1 Corinthians 13:12, Paul says, now we see through a glass darkly, dimly. Everything is blurred. Obscure.
But when we see Him face to face, then we will know all things.
I need more space so I will send a part 2.
Matthew 9:27-31, notice: Mark 10:47-52, this guys "faith, immediately" Luke 18:35-43, notice, the situation you referred to: John 9:35-39,
Psalms 146:8, Isaiah 29:18, Isaiah 35:5,6, Isaiah 42:1-21, here in: Matthew 11:5, Luke 7:22, Jesus pointed out the fulfilled prophecy in those ancient scriptures. Matthew 15:31,
Mark 6:1-6,
The mind is a powerful thing, Mark 9:23, Mark 11:23,24, Mark 16:17,
Luke 8:49-50, even death Jesus said "fear not: believe only" ._.
Was it the man's doubt?
Was it an example to not give up, keep trying, keep seeking the miraculous, healings? To encourage us to press on, keep believing, keep trying. (?) or all the above._.
There is a trap to cach wild monkeys, that consists of an hole inside a log, where the hunter puts a quantity of seeds. The monkey puts an hand through the hole and grab the seeds, but can't remove the hand full of seeds, quikly enough to escape hunter's suden arrival to kill him. Solomon's proverbs, admonishes mankind to behave rationally, avoiding violence and greed, which is a kind of violence.
May God help me and you, to be wise touwards The Lord Jesus Who is The Life, avoiding evil and death, in order to keep The God's Will and Eternal Law, through Jesus's Justic inparted to whosoever believes Jesus, as the good thief on the cross.
E.g. I have faith that if I apply myself diligently
To bible study that I will find the bright faith.
Now with that being said I also have to have faith to study the right bible . For not all who believe do not as the scripture hath said
John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in US: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. (22) And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as WE are one:
Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Luke 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
(31) And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a SON, and shalt call his name JESUS.
(32) He shall be great, and shall be called the SON of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
John 12:26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father (not Joseph) honour. (27) Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
Mark 10:40 But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is NOT MINE to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared.
Those words of Jesus certainly mean, as you suggest, to deny Christ. But it could also mean that, in the midst of a Christ-rejecting people, we recoil from the Truth, whether we choose to keep quiet or even speak words that are so diluted so as to not offend anyone. We live in a World where we're being told that it's not right to offend anyone's person or beliefs. And this is correct, but when we then altogether refuse to speak up (in love & concern) for what is right & ordained in God's Word, then there is little difference to the one who is outwardly a denier of Christ in the midst of testing or persecution.
Not all Christians can be of the calibre of standing & preaching the Gospel to a crowd, but then again, most would rather keep their 'faith' private, sometimes so private that another person hardly notices that any difference. I'm retired now, but whenever I applied for a job earlier & the opportunity was there, I made sure that I stated that I was a Christian & adhered to biblical values & that my work ethic is based on my faith. Not that my position in Christ should have made any difference to the prospective employer, but I believed that the foundation was laid from the beginning, so any other action or event subsequent to it, could be seen as a result of my faith which was real & active. Of course, I too was under their scrutiny to live the Christian life before them. It's always a good policy to let others know of your new life in Christ, even in passing, for no other reason that to give you the incentive & boldness to live your life out, without reservation, before men.
thanks may god bless you and your family always