Thank you Jesse, I like your thoughts and they speak to me. My wife and I when, we became engaged already Christians, we became one, even though we were 2,500 miles apart. We planned our wedding date and invited the guests. The day finally came where we by ceremony were officially (outwardly) married in the Lord. In our case it was her Dad, a minister of the Gospel that preformed the ceremony. When the wedding and prepared meal was over we left the guests and family and began our journey as husband and wife. Somehow even though this was not a Jewish wedding of times past it was a wedding that the Lord put together. My thoughts earlier have a hard time reconciling that after this marriage was consummated why we would ever be found separate as one of us returned to the world one more time for those who may have repented in not coming as guests when the invitations were sent.
I am not sure who posted that, but it does look like it is word for word of what I posted a long while back.
To answer your question, I would have to say that we are already married to Him. We (The Church) are His bride now, present tense. We're just waiting for Him to come for us. Once He does, there will be a wedding feast in heaven and we will be there.
For the Jewish people, the marriage was different than what we see marriage to be today in our western world way of thinking. For them, once you became engaged, it was the same as being legally married. There was a one year period of separation between the bride and groom called a "time of purity." This was to make sure that the bride was not pregnant.
Do you remember in Matthew Chapter 1 when the angel appeared to Joseph in a dream and said do no fear to take unto thee Mary thy wife? This was during the 1 year engagement when Mary was pregnant. We would see it as them being engaged but not married yet. But the angel said "Mary Thy wife." They were already married. They were betrothed.
We are His bride now. One day when the Father says go and get your bride, He will come for us. And we will never be separated from Him. Our marriage to Christ is eternal. That marriage began the moment we received Christ.
"Keep your OIL topped off. Don't use it for French fries!" You made me laugh with that one. I love your humor. You do make some great points. My belief is that our oil will always be full. Our lamps will always be kept trimmed and burning because Christ in us is the light that shines and cannot be extinguished!
Lezbeth, may the Spirit grace you with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
Revelation 22:16 I JESUS have sent my angel to testify unto you (you are the church) these things (that are revealed; by Revelation) in the CHURCHES....
Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him (Christ), to show unto his servants (Christ's inheritance; Psalms 2:8) things which much SHORTLY (during your lifetime) come to pass......
1 Peter 1:21 WHO (YOU) by HIM (CHRIST) do BELIEVE....
Galatians 2:16 KNOWING that a man is not justified by the works of the law, BUT BY THE FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST, even we have BELIEVED (by HIM) in Jesus Christ, that we might be JUSTIFIED by THE FAITH OF Jesus Christ......
Christ has given you HIS FAITH
Revelation 2:26 And he (you; the church) that overcomes and keeps MY WORKS (remember he gives us HIS faith, His truth, His wisdom, His understanding, His council, everything that is HIS he gives to us as our inheritance; we are his children) unto the END (when you leave this body of flesh at it's death; now he is going to give you HIS BODY; HIS incorruptible and immortal self ( 1 Timothy 6:16)......
Revelation 20:5-6 .... This is the FIRST resurrection.
(vs 6) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the FIRST resurrection....
Remember he gives us what is HIS; he gives us HIS RESURRECTION. ( John 11:25)
Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men shall LIVE, together with MY DEAD BODY SHALL THEY ARISE...
This is the rapture of the church (you) individually not collectively.
Isaiah 27:12 ...ye shall be gathered ONE BY ONE....
Mathew 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken and the other left.
1 Corinthians 12:27 Now we are THE BODY OF CHRIST.....
1 Corinthians 3:21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours (THROUGH THE WORKS OF CHRIST)
Hello Jesse, Thank you for clarifying that. I was trying to figure out if it was you posting without your name. Do you also think that once Jesus and His Bride are married they will never be separate?
These 7 Steps of a Jewish Wedding look like what I posted about a year ago. It is very fascinating how it parallels the events spoken of in Matthew Chapters 24 and 25. Thanks for re-posting!
Details of a Jewish Wedding - In Reply on Mark 3 - 3 years ago
CAUGHT UP to a Jewish Wedding.
These are actual 7 steps of a Jewish wedding.
1. First, the Jewish groom barters with the father of the bride. They get together and they go back-and-forth, and barter as to what the deal is going to be.
2. Once they reach an agreement, the future bride is brought in. And if she approves of it, all three of them drink out of the covenant cup, which means from that time forward they are betrothed.
3. The groom goes back to his father's house to build their living quarters. It is built right off of the family home. And once the wedding takes place, and they are now married, they will go back to his family's home, and there will be living quarters that will be for them.
4. The father of the groom decides when the living quarters are done, and when he can go get his bride. What does that tell us? We don't know the time or the hour. It has to be a minimum of one year because it is a time of purity for her. The groom can go get his bride when his father decides it's time.
5. When the marriage announcement is made, catch this: the people who have already been invited to the wedding feast, they take their positions along the parade route, because the groom is going to get his bride. And there are people stationed in position all the way along the route. They join the parade as it passes by. It is called a parade.
6. When the groom reaches the bride's house, he stands at a distance and blows the shofar, the trumpet, for the bride to come out and meet him. And the wedding takes place at that time. Do you see anything in there about prophecy? The groom comes to get his bride, and he stands a ways off and blows the trumpet, and she comes out to meet him.
7. The parade goes back to the groom's house and the wedding feast begins. All of the guests in the parade gather in the Fellowship Hall, and the door is shut. This is not an open public thing. It is for guests who ACCEPTED THE INVITATION.
Mishaels39 take on Timing of the Rapture - In Reply on Mark 3 - 3 years ago
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Believers are the Bride of Christ. We are to be saved, washed in the blood of Jesus: without spot or wrinkle in our wedding apparel. We're to have our lamps FULL with the oil of joy, the Holy Spirit provides.
In Jewish weddings, when all preparations had been readied, THE GROOMS FATHER stood up and told the BRIDEGROOM to go get his Bride.
In the prophesy calendar of times: the Groom and Bride attend the Wedding Feast. Everyone INVITED by the Groom (born again believers only) is allowed into the Banquet.
So this creates a timing problem for some people. I'm seeing in scripture: getting ready, looking up for his arrival, wedding dress on, lamps full, knowing the signs of the Times. Matthew 24
The Bride of Christ may endure some of the beginning of Sorrows, such as natural disasters, corona virus, locusts, things like that. We've got vaccinations, bug killer and storm cellars. With wisdom we'll get through the approach of THE DAY. Keep your OIL topped off. Don't use it for French fries!
I do not believe the Lord Jesus Christ or Father God, are going to make the Bride be tempted by the Antichrist or False Prophet. Satan is the Beast. Evil will follow immediately after the Bride arrives at the Wedding Feast. Out of their reach.
Jesus descends into the clouds to catch up His Bride. Do scripture search on: "In The Clouds"
Jesus's FEET DO NOT TOUCH EARTH. He is in the clouds. Off go the Bridegroom with His Bride to the Wedding Feast.
I haven't read this in a book. This is strictly from my own studies when I was trying to figure out pre, mid, post rapture. We are told HAVE THAT OIL FULL, BE READY TODAY. Get born again NOW.
This first scripture clearly warns that Satan will have power to deceive human beings with false signs, even tales of alien creatures, spaceships, mermaids, monsters, vampires, you name it. Cable and streaming tv are full of it.
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In Deuteronomy 28: God says, Choose Life, so that you and your children may live.
2 Thessalonians 2:9 - [Even him], whose coming is after the working of SATAN with all power and signs and LYING wonders,
Matthew 24:24 - For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very ELECT (us).
2 Timothy 3:1-5 - This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. (Read More...)
Acts 2:22 - Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
Revelation 16:14 - For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, [which] go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Mark 13:22 - For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if [it were] possible, even the elect. (YOU)
John 4:48 - Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
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Revelations 22:16 I JESUS SENT mine angel to testify unto you (you are the CHURCH) these things in the CHURCHES......
There might be a reason there is no mention of the rapture.
Do you think the un-called study God's word.
1 Peter 1:21 WHO (YOU) by HIM (CHRIST) do BELIEVE.........
Galatians 2:16 KNOWING that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by THE FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST, even we have BELIEVED (by HIM) in Jesus Christ, that we might be JUSTIFIED (not by the law) but by THE FAITH OF CHRIST (by him), and not the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Jesus GIVES you HIS FAITH
Revelation 2:26 And he (the church) that overcometh, and keepeth MY WORKS (remember it's his faith, his wisdom, his truth, his understanding, EVERYTHING HE IS becomes yours through inheritance, you are his child) unto the end (when you depart this body of flesh and are given HIS BODY; (HIS) incorruptible and immortality self becomes yours....
This is the rapture of the church (you) each one individually not collectively.
Isaiah 27:12 And it shall come to pass in that day...... ye shall be gathered ONE BY ONE...
Matthew 24:40 There shall be two in the field; the one shall be taken and the other left.
Revelation 20:5-6 .... this is the first resurrection.
(vs 5) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection.....
Remember he gives you what is his; therefore he gives us his resurrection.
Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men shall LIVE together with MY DEAD BODY SHALL THEY ARISE....
Jesse, I truly believe the same thing about the Church not being mentioned in Revelation. Not one chapter in Revelation is given to the Rapture and I can't think that God would let his church be subjected to that kind of horrible destruction the Earth will see. In 1 Thessalonians chapter 5 verse 9 it states "For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ". Thank you for your reply. I feel comforted by it.
Thank you for that correction as only half of that statement I made was accurate. They did "speak with tongues, and magnify God" as in Acts 10:46. Although the Holy Ghost fell on them who heard the word. Acts 10:44. Before they were baptized with water, not after, as I stated. For it is not water baptism, by men, that people receive the Holy Ghost. It is a spiritual baptism of the Lord.
Although I myself cannot be sure but it wouldn't surprise me that I'm not the only child of God you have rejected. Only God knows.
I share your view on the timing of the rapture. 1 Thessalonians Chapter 4 tells us there will be a rapture, so we know that. If you've read through the events in the book Revelation, where God's wrath is being poured out on a non-believing world, you can see what a horrible time that will be.
It doesn't matter how many times you read through those chapters which detail God's Judgment and wrath being poured out, but you will not find any mention of the church during that time.
I lean towards a pre-tribulation Rapture because I don't believe God is going to pour out His judgment on us. If you take a look at 1 Thessalonians 5:9, ask yourself who the "us" is speaking of. We know what wrath is. But has God appointed, or set aside a time for us to go through His wrath?
Reading through Revelation, you have to wonder how anyone would survive. Some questions I would ask are: where is the church mentioned during this time? If we are going to go through the 7-year Tribulation Period, what would our function be? It wouldn't be to preach the gospel to those who are about to be judged so harshly for their unbelief.
God does not need us here during that time. He already has a plan to reach people before it's too late. The bible tells us that there will be two witnesses that will be preaching the gospel. There will be 144,000 Jews whom God will seal so that they cannot be harmed. They also will be warning people. And if that's not enough, it says that there will be an angel flying around mid-heaven for 3-1/2 years warning people.
So you see, there would be no need for us to be here during that horrible time when God pours His wrath out on this world. God has not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.
Again, there is no mention of the church during the time that God's wrath is being poured out. The next time I see mention of the church is when Christ comes back at His second coming, and we come back with Him!
OnlytruthintheworldKJV - In Reply on Mark 3 - 3 years ago
Greetings in Jesus' name, Ron,
So Jesus came to confirm the covenant for one week, but in the midst of the week he was cut off (3.5 yrs into His ministry) but not for himself (for His Bride, and the Virgins and Guests).
So there remains 3.5 years left of that 70th week which is the great tribulation. This is referenced and lines up with scripture in the Revelation (a time, times & half a time, or 1260 days).
Not quite sure how you think that the 70th week ended in Acts 10 as there is no reference of time between the day of Pentecost (when the New Testament/ Covenant began) and Acts 10..? (Atleast that I can see).
OnlytruthintheworldKJV - In Reply on Mark 3 - 3 years ago
Very well, Richard,
I have given you two admonitions and now I must reject you as per Paul's instructions to Titus.
Concerning the verse you claim is evidence someone received the gift of the Holy Ghost without speaking in tongues in Acts 11, however, I must offer this correction so as others are not deceived.
This is Peter relaying to some of the circumcision (Jews) what had just taken place in Acts 10 when the Holy Ghost fell upon Cornelius (an Italian man) and his friends, and they spoke with other tongues and magnified God (as on the 120 at the beginning -verse 15).
As a priest of my masterJesus Christ I must rightly divide the word, and give reproof, instruction and correction. in righteousness. That we all might come into the unity of the faith.
Dear Chris and friends, God allowed time to continue while many sincere, innocent, defenseless, born again Christians were buried alive or had scolding oil poured over their heads and worse. It wasn't a judgement by God but a witness of the love of God and the power of believers to withstand cruelty by forgiveness by faith in Jesus Christ while speaking and living the truth without fear. This period of time not so long ago helped establish the times where enough freedom outside of forced baptism existed that the Gospel of Jesus Christ could be spread throughout the whole world. For these believers this was a great tribulation in this time.
Thank you for conversing with me on these couple subjects. Please let this be the end of our discussion with all respect.
About The Word of God not being Jesus Christ is your own belief. It is not from the pits of hell. Hebrews 1:1-4, Revelation 1:17-18, Revelation 2:26-27, Revelation 3:20-21, Revelation 19:11-16. We are to honor the Son the same way we honor the Father, John 5:21-23. The Messiah/Christ being the anointed one of God. ( 1 John 2:23-24.
Just to straighten up a little with reply about receiving the Holy Ghost. I never said my experience, or experiences, was "feeling peace". Me stating most people in the world would not believe my experiences is because they are supernatural things. It was not me who chose God, He chose me. I know not why. All glory be to Jesus Christ our Lord and our Father in Heaven.
I don't know of any Scripture of people receiving the Holy Ghost just by "feeling peace". Although I do know of one that doesn't state it was after a water baptism nor did they speak in tongues. Acts 11:11-18.
I hope our discussion shall keep you from discrediting other believers in the Lord just because they don't speak in unknown tongues. We should all try to help one another with our faith in the Lord. Hebrews 13:1-2.
OnlytruthintheworldKJV, I do not understand the latter part of your post maybe that's me. My post was on the 7-year rapture theory using the last week of the 70th-week prophecy to create 7 years. My meaning was no part of that prophecy should be combined with Revelation. There is a lot that was fulfilled during those 70 weeks. More than can be covered in a small post. As far as the temple I have not found any scriptures that say there will be another before Jesus sets his kingdom upon the earth but there could be. If you read ( Revelation 21:22) The holy city, New Jerusalem there is no temple.
Jesus was sent only for the lost sheep of Israel and Jesus commanded his disciple to only go to the lost sheep and not to go unto the Gentiles.
Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matthew 10:5-7 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
They did not until Peters dream and Jesus appeared to Paul, around the same time Stephen was killed. That ended the 70th-week. If you read ( Matthew 23:31-38) it shows who made it desolate and the temple was destroyed 30+ years later in their generation, by the people of the prince, Rome. When Jesus was talking to the woman at the well he talks about this happening. ( John 4:21-24).
Hi Liz, I agree that it can be a little confusing as to what to believe in respect of the Rapture, but even after your study (& consideration of the comments here), you will need to come to your own understanding of this great subject, yet remaining open to the Spirit for any further light you receive through study.
Just a couple of things to keep in mind: you will read of 'tribulation' in the Bible, but you need to ascertain whether it is the 'Great Tribulation' that is being spoken of. We will all go through tribulation while living in the world ( John 16:33, Acts 14:22), but the Great Tribulation is different ( Matthew 24:21).
The Great Tribulation is a short period of time where the outpouring of God's Anger is seen & felt & this Anger is against the world of sinners where God causes a great annihilation through various means. You can compare it to the time of the Great Flood or to the destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah: all these were specific to God's Anger & Judgement rather than from the usual effects of living in a sinful world & condition. And the righteous were saved from His Anger (i.e. Noah, Lot & families) while the others were destroyed.
As Christians, cleansed & saved by the blood of the Lamb, our judgement against sin has already been accomplished at the Cross. Then ask, 'do we have to once again suffer the judgement of God with other Christ-rejectors?' If so, the work at the Cross hasn't fully accomplished its purpose as we would have to be dealt with twice under God's Hand: once in Mercy (seeking forgiveness & spiritual healing/restoration) & then again without Mercy, in Judgement with the others. Or, is His Church removed before His Terrors against sinners are poured out?. And here I speak of God's Judgement only & not at the revelation of the Anti-Christ, which event is not part of that Judgement (Revelation chapters 6 to 19).
For your consideration & discussion in your online Bible study. Blessings.
OnlytruthintheworldKJV - In Reply on Mark 3 - 3 years ago
Yea Ron,
Daniel 9:27
King James Version
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
I have received that this is speaking of the covenant Jesus Christ made and confirmed. After his 3.5 yr ministry, Jesus was killed and the veil was rent: causing the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and the Jews havent had a temple since, nor will they until the consummation (of the marriage of the bride) and that which is determined (the wrath of God) will be poured upon the desolate (the ungodly).
So yea, the great tribulation/time of Jacob's trouble will be 3.5 yrs (a time, times, and half a time or 1260 days- as referenced elsewhere in the book of The Revelation). As to the time of the catching up, we can see from Scripture that the Man of sin/son of perdition must be revealed first, as to when in the tribulation I believe is just speculation.
John 5:39
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
OnlytruthintheworldKJV - In Reply on Mark 3 - 3 years ago
Well praise the Lord if you have been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ!
That's the first half of being born of water & Spirit Jesus spoke of in John 3:5 necessary to enter into the kingdom.
As to Christ being the Word, that is a lie from the pit of hell to get people to believe in a "pre-incarnate Christ" and a "trinity" (words not found in the Holy Scriptures), so that they don't know the Son of God, and He will tell them, "depart from me I never knew you" as you referenced in Matthew 7.
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. Amen. How did God create everything? By His word. It doesn't say "and the word was Christ."
And the word was made flesh ( John 1:14).
God was manifest in the flesh ( 1 Tim 3:16)
Amen.
When was God manifest in the flesh?
Luke 3:22
And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
Amen.
When the Holy Spirit (God) descended upon and began to dwell in His Son, God was manifest in the flesh, and then Jesus began his 3.5 year ministry of miracles signs and wonders.
Which brings us to the root of our conversation. Murmuring or babbling (i.e. sha la la ba ba like you can hear in some "pentecostal/apostolic" churches) is not evidence of having received the Holy Ghost. However, as I said; the fake tongues do not invalidate the real thing. The Book of Acts shows forth that anytime someone received the Holy Ghost they spoke in another tongue (be it of men or angels). If you can show me, from the scriptures, an instance that someone received the Holy Ghost by "feeling peace" then I will gladly stand corrected, but I have not found any such scripture. I wouldn't trust a "personal experience" over what the word of God says.
Isaiah 55:1
Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
Hi Liz, I agree with what Richard in Christ said, trusting in the Lord and keeping our faith and Matthew 24:29-31.. The rapture theory pre, mid, or post is based on taking the last week from the 70th-week prophecy given to Daniel in Daniel 9: 27. This is the only scripture that will give you 7 years.
You may ask. How long will the tribulation period last? Is it three and one-half years? Is it seven years? To answer your question I would suggest you study Daniel's 70-week prophecy and if you find what I have found if the 70-week prophecy has been fulfilled it will answer your question. Without the last week, the 7-year rapture theory is false and the pre, mid, or post is irrelevant.
The 70th-week prophecy Daniel 24-27 is Determined on Israel and Jerusalem/The Holy City. This prophecy tells the year the Messiah/Jesus Christ will come the first time, the baptizing by John. They rejected Him. This prophecy also tells when Jesus was crucified.
The seven-year rapture theory is taken from vs 27 and it is said he in this verse is the antichrist and he makes a covenant with Israel and in the middle of this last week, he breaks the covenant, and the great tribulation starts, (short version).
One clue, it was 69 weeks when Jesus came and He was crucified 3 years later, that puts it in the middle of that last week, the 70th week. So who is he? There is also one who we know and scripture backs up, made a covenant. Study to find and be confident in your own heart.
Liz, May the Spirit grace you with His wisdom and His understanding.
Acts 14:22 .....that we through MUCH TRIBULATION enter into the kingdom of God.
It's been 2000 years since Christ preached the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD ( Mark 1:14) under the theory of the seven year tribulation (still waiting) no one would have entered in the kingdom of God.
Revelation 1:9 I John, whom also am your brother, and COMPANION IN TRIBULATION, and in THE KINGDOM...
It appears that John believed he was living during the time of TRIBULATION.
Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: FOR THE TIME IS AT HAND.
As the "Rapture" is not something I get into much as I'm sure you know there seems to be three beliefs, pre/mid/post, of when this will occur in relation of the tribulation in the end. The one verse I see that proves some of Gods children or chosen ones shall be here after the tribulation is stated in Matthew 24:29-31.
I would say just trust in the Lord, keep your faith, no matter what shall come about in this world. Amen.
No man has told me I have received the Holy Ghost. Just as no man shall ever persuade me that the Holy Ghost is not in me. I know because of what I have experienced. The Holy Bible is what God lead me to read which lead me to Jesus Christ. Most people in this world would not believe what I have experienced. Those who do are wise as I speak truth. All glory to our Lord Jesus Christ and our Father in Heaven.
I did avoid your first question. As it was unlearned. I do not believe in a "trinity of gods". God is one. It seems you do not believe in Jesus Christ being the Word of God? As stated in ( 1 John 1:14, John 14:10? The Father and the Son are also one, John 9:30. Let's not get into that though as you have your own belief. Your assumption of my water baptism is false also.
No where in the Holy Bible does it specifically state everyone who receives the Holy Ghost shall murmur or babble. That in no way is magnifying God. And to prophecy people must understand your words. Again remember as in Matthew 7:21-23 that no matter how much you prophesied, or cast out devils, in the name of the Lord that is not what saves you. The Lord searches hearts. I also just as you will have to give account for our words Matthew 12:36-37.
To OTITW KJV. Just to clarify a couple of your references.
a. Isaiah 28:11,12: "For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing..." If you read this portion of Scripture, it has nothing to do with the experience of speaking in other tongues. It has to do with the Assyrian captivity, when Ephraim (one of Joseph's sons) is particularly mentioned who would go into captivity along with Israel, because of their many sins & wicked prophets & priests. Instead of hearing the Word of God through His prophets, they would receive the Word from those "with stammering lips & another tongue", i.e. another nation & another language, implying that the Word given would also be spoken in scorn & derision to God's people. This verse has nothing to do with the spiritual gift of Tongues.
b. the 'doctrine of the Trinity'. You would have a hard time to deny the Trinity, as it was not only believed by the apostles & the early Church ( John 17:5, Matthew 28:19, John 20:28, etc), but was also believed by the early Church fathers (i.e. those who were eminent men in the post-apostolic Church, after the apostle John). Names such as Ignatius ("For our God, Jesus the Christ, was conceived by Mary according to God's plan..."; "There is only one physician, who is both flesh and spirit, born and unborn, God in man, true life in death, both from Mary and from God, first subject to suffering and then beyond it, Jesus Christ our Lord."). And Polycarp ("Now may the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the eternal High Priest himself, the Son of God Jesus Christ, build you up in faith and truth...and to all those under heaven who will yet believe in our Lord and God Jesus Christ and in his Father who raised him from the dead."). And not to mention Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Hippolytus, Origen, who all believed it. This is not an RC introduced belief.
Thank you Jesse for your help and time.
I am not sure who posted that, but it does look like it is word for word of what I posted a long while back.
To answer your question, I would have to say that we are already married to Him. We (The Church) are His bride now, present tense. We're just waiting for Him to come for us. Once He does, there will be a wedding feast in heaven and we will be there.
For the Jewish people, the marriage was different than what we see marriage to be today in our western world way of thinking. For them, once you became engaged, it was the same as being legally married. There was a one year period of separation between the bride and groom called a "time of purity." This was to make sure that the bride was not pregnant.
Do you remember in Matthew Chapter 1 when the angel appeared to Joseph in a dream and said do no fear to take unto thee Mary thy wife? This was during the 1 year engagement when Mary was pregnant. We would see it as them being engaged but not married yet. But the angel said "Mary Thy wife." They were already married. They were betrothed.
We are His bride now. One day when the Father says go and get your bride, He will come for us. And we will never be separated from Him. Our marriage to Christ is eternal. That marriage began the moment we received Christ.
"Keep your OIL topped off. Don't use it for French fries!" You made me laugh with that one. I love your humor. You do make some great points. My belief is that our oil will always be full. Our lamps will always be kept trimmed and burning because Christ in us is the light that shines and cannot be extinguished!
Revelation 22:16 I JESUS have sent my angel to testify unto you (you are the church) these things (that are revealed; by Revelation) in the CHURCHES....
Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him (Christ), to show unto his servants (Christ's inheritance; Psalms 2:8) things which much SHORTLY (during your lifetime) come to pass......
1 Peter 1:21 WHO (YOU) by HIM (CHRIST) do BELIEVE....
Galatians 2:16 KNOWING that a man is not justified by the works of the law, BUT BY THE FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST, even we have BELIEVED (by HIM) in Jesus Christ, that we might be JUSTIFIED by THE FAITH OF Jesus Christ......
Christ has given you HIS FAITH
Revelation 2:26 And he (you; the church) that overcomes and keeps MY WORKS (remember he gives us HIS faith, His truth, His wisdom, His understanding, His council, everything that is HIS he gives to us as our inheritance; we are his children) unto the END (when you leave this body of flesh at it's death; now he is going to give you HIS BODY; HIS incorruptible and immortal self ( 1 Timothy 6:16)......
Revelation 20:5-6 .... This is the FIRST resurrection.
(vs 6) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the FIRST resurrection....
Remember he gives us what is HIS; he gives us HIS RESURRECTION. ( John 11:25)
Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men shall LIVE, together with MY DEAD BODY SHALL THEY ARISE...
This is the rapture of the church (you) individually not collectively.
Isaiah 27:12 ...ye shall be gathered ONE BY ONE....
Mathew 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken and the other left.
1 Corinthians 12:27 Now we are THE BODY OF CHRIST.....
1 Corinthians 3:21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours (THROUGH THE WORKS OF CHRIST)
Thank you for your time and understanding.
Carleton
These are actual 7 steps of a Jewish wedding.
1. First, the Jewish groom barters with the father of the bride. They get together and they go back-and-forth, and barter as to what the deal is going to be.
2. Once they reach an agreement, the future bride is brought in. And if she approves of it, all three of them drink out of the covenant cup, which means from that time forward they are betrothed.
3. The groom goes back to his father's house to build their living quarters. It is built right off of the family home. And once the wedding takes place, and they are now married, they will go back to his family's home, and there will be living quarters that will be for them.
4. The father of the groom decides when the living quarters are done, and when he can go get his bride. What does that tell us? We don't know the time or the hour. It has to be a minimum of one year because it is a time of purity for her. The groom can go get his bride when his father decides it's time.
5. When the marriage announcement is made, catch this: the people who have already been invited to the wedding feast, they take their positions along the parade route, because the groom is going to get his bride. And there are people stationed in position all the way along the route. They join the parade as it passes by. It is called a parade.
6. When the groom reaches the bride's house, he stands at a distance and blows the shofar, the trumpet, for the bride to come out and meet him. And the wedding takes place at that time. Do you see anything in there about prophecy? The groom comes to get his bride, and he stands a ways off and blows the trumpet, and she comes out to meet him.
7. The parade goes back to the groom's house and the wedding feast begins. All of the guests in the parade gather in the Fellowship Hall, and the door is shut. This is not an open public thing. It is for guests who ACCEPTED THE INVITATION.
MATTHEW 25
Type in: caught up, in the clouds, day of the Lord;
Bride.
You will find an abundance of scriptures to study. I found in the Gospels, the story Jesus tells of the 10 virgins to be helpful with timing.
Believers are the Bride of Christ. We are to be saved, washed in the blood of Jesus: without spot or wrinkle in our wedding apparel. We're to have our lamps FULL with the oil of joy, the Holy Spirit provides.
In Jewish weddings, when all preparations had been readied, THE GROOMS FATHER stood up and told the BRIDEGROOM to go get his Bride.
In the prophesy calendar of times: the Groom and Bride attend the Wedding Feast. Everyone INVITED by the Groom (born again believers only) is allowed into the Banquet.
So this creates a timing problem for some people. I'm seeing in scripture: getting ready, looking up for his arrival, wedding dress on, lamps full, knowing the signs of the Times. Matthew 24
The Bride of Christ may endure some of the beginning of Sorrows, such as natural disasters, corona virus, locusts, things like that. We've got vaccinations, bug killer and storm cellars. With wisdom we'll get through the approach of THE DAY. Keep your OIL topped off. Don't use it for French fries!
I do not believe the Lord Jesus Christ or Father God, are going to make the Bride be tempted by the Antichrist or False Prophet. Satan is the Beast. Evil will follow immediately after the Bride arrives at the Wedding Feast. Out of their reach.
Jesus descends into the clouds to catch up His Bride. Do scripture search on: "In The Clouds"
Jesus's FEET DO NOT TOUCH EARTH. He is in the clouds. Off go the Bridegroom with His Bride to the Wedding Feast.
I haven't read this in a book. This is strictly from my own studies when I was trying to figure out pre, mid, post rapture. We are told HAVE THAT OIL FULL, BE READY TODAY. Get born again NOW.
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In Deuteronomy 28: God says, Choose Life, so that you and your children may live.
2 Thessalonians 2:9 - [Even him], whose coming is after the working of SATAN with all power and signs and LYING wonders,
Matthew 24:24 - For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very ELECT (us).
2 Timothy 3:1-5 - This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. (Read More...)
Acts 2:22 - Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
Revelation 16:14 - For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, [which] go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Mark 13:22 - For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if [it were] possible, even the elect. (YOU)
John 4:48 - Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
Good question? Whose signs and wonders are we watching?
Mishael
The Holy Spirit is your TEACHER. Ask Him. If you'll sit still long enough and be quiet, you will get answers.
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Revelations 22:16 I JESUS SENT mine angel to testify unto you (you are the CHURCH) these things in the CHURCHES......
There might be a reason there is no mention of the rapture.
Do you think the un-called study God's word.
1 Peter 1:21 WHO (YOU) by HIM (CHRIST) do BELIEVE.........
Galatians 2:16 KNOWING that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by THE FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST, even we have BELIEVED (by HIM) in Jesus Christ, that we might be JUSTIFIED (not by the law) but by THE FAITH OF CHRIST (by him), and not the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Jesus GIVES you HIS FAITH
Revelation 2:26 And he (the church) that overcometh, and keepeth MY WORKS (remember it's his faith, his wisdom, his truth, his understanding, EVERYTHING HE IS becomes yours through inheritance, you are his child) unto the end (when you depart this body of flesh and are given HIS BODY; (HIS) incorruptible and immortality self becomes yours....
This is the rapture of the church (you) each one individually not collectively.
Isaiah 27:12 And it shall come to pass in that day...... ye shall be gathered ONE BY ONE...
Matthew 24:40 There shall be two in the field; the one shall be taken and the other left.
Revelation 20:5-6 .... this is the first resurrection.
(vs 5) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection.....
Remember he gives you what is his; therefore he gives us his resurrection.
Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men shall LIVE together with MY DEAD BODY SHALL THEY ARISE....
Although I myself cannot be sure but it wouldn't surprise me that I'm not the only child of God you have rejected. Only God knows.
Thank you for your time.
God Bless you.
I share your view on the timing of the rapture. 1 Thessalonians Chapter 4 tells us there will be a rapture, so we know that. If you've read through the events in the book Revelation, where God's wrath is being poured out on a non-believing world, you can see what a horrible time that will be.
It doesn't matter how many times you read through those chapters which detail God's Judgment and wrath being poured out, but you will not find any mention of the church during that time.
I lean towards a pre-tribulation Rapture because I don't believe God is going to pour out His judgment on us. If you take a look at 1 Thessalonians 5:9, ask yourself who the "us" is speaking of. We know what wrath is. But has God appointed, or set aside a time for us to go through His wrath?
Reading through Revelation, you have to wonder how anyone would survive. Some questions I would ask are: where is the church mentioned during this time? If we are going to go through the 7-year Tribulation Period, what would our function be? It wouldn't be to preach the gospel to those who are about to be judged so harshly for their unbelief.
God does not need us here during that time. He already has a plan to reach people before it's too late. The bible tells us that there will be two witnesses that will be preaching the gospel. There will be 144,000 Jews whom God will seal so that they cannot be harmed. They also will be warning people. And if that's not enough, it says that there will be an angel flying around mid-heaven for 3-1/2 years warning people.
So you see, there would be no need for us to be here during that horrible time when God pours His wrath out on this world. God has not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.
Again, there is no mention of the church during the time that God's wrath is being poured out. The next time I see mention of the church is when Christ comes back at His second coming, and we come back with Him!
So Jesus came to confirm the covenant for one week, but in the midst of the week he was cut off (3.5 yrs into His ministry) but not for himself (for His Bride, and the Virgins and Guests).
So there remains 3.5 years left of that 70th week which is the great tribulation. This is referenced and lines up with scripture in the Revelation (a time, times & half a time, or 1260 days).
Not quite sure how you think that the 70th week ended in Acts 10 as there is no reference of time between the day of Pentecost (when the New Testament/ Covenant began) and Acts 10..? (Atleast that I can see).
I hope this helps.
Be well, sir,
Andrew
I have given you two admonitions and now I must reject you as per Paul's instructions to Titus.
Concerning the verse you claim is evidence someone received the gift of the Holy Ghost without speaking in tongues in Acts 11, however, I must offer this correction so as others are not deceived.
This is Peter relaying to some of the circumcision (Jews) what had just taken place in Acts 10 when the Holy Ghost fell upon Cornelius (an Italian man) and his friends, and they spoke with other tongues and magnified God (as on the 120 at the beginning -verse 15).
As a priest of my masterJesus Christ I must rightly divide the word, and give reproof, instruction and correction. in righteousness. That we all might come into the unity of the faith.
It's between you and the Lord now, Richard.
Be well my friend
That you know, in love, I remain teachable.
Carleton
Thank you for conversing with me on these couple subjects. Please let this be the end of our discussion with all respect.
About The Word of God not being Jesus Christ is your own belief. It is not from the pits of hell. Hebrews 1:1-4, Revelation 1:17-18, Revelation 2:26-27, Revelation 3:20-21, Revelation 19:11-16. We are to honor the Son the same way we honor the Father, John 5:21-23. The Messiah/Christ being the anointed one of God. ( 1 John 2:23-24.
Just to straighten up a little with reply about receiving the Holy Ghost. I never said my experience, or experiences, was "feeling peace". Me stating most people in the world would not believe my experiences is because they are supernatural things. It was not me who chose God, He chose me. I know not why. All glory be to Jesus Christ our Lord and our Father in Heaven.
I don't know of any Scripture of people receiving the Holy Ghost just by "feeling peace". Although I do know of one that doesn't state it was after a water baptism nor did they speak in tongues. Acts 11:11-18.
I hope our discussion shall keep you from discrediting other believers in the Lord just because they don't speak in unknown tongues. We should all try to help one another with our faith in the Lord. Hebrews 13:1-2.
Peace be with you.
Jesus was sent only for the lost sheep of Israel and Jesus commanded his disciple to only go to the lost sheep and not to go unto the Gentiles.
Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matthew 10:5-7 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
They did not until Peters dream and Jesus appeared to Paul, around the same time Stephen was killed. That ended the 70th-week. If you read ( Matthew 23:31-38) it shows who made it desolate and the temple was destroyed 30+ years later in their generation, by the people of the prince, Rome. When Jesus was talking to the woman at the well he talks about this happening. ( John 4:21-24).
God bless, Ron
Just a couple of things to keep in mind: you will read of 'tribulation' in the Bible, but you need to ascertain whether it is the 'Great Tribulation' that is being spoken of. We will all go through tribulation while living in the world ( John 16:33, Acts 14:22), but the Great Tribulation is different ( Matthew 24:21).
The Great Tribulation is a short period of time where the outpouring of God's Anger is seen & felt & this Anger is against the world of sinners where God causes a great annihilation through various means. You can compare it to the time of the Great Flood or to the destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah: all these were specific to God's Anger & Judgement rather than from the usual effects of living in a sinful world & condition. And the righteous were saved from His Anger (i.e. Noah, Lot & families) while the others were destroyed.
As Christians, cleansed & saved by the blood of the Lamb, our judgement against sin has already been accomplished at the Cross. Then ask, 'do we have to once again suffer the judgement of God with other Christ-rejectors?' If so, the work at the Cross hasn't fully accomplished its purpose as we would have to be dealt with twice under God's Hand: once in Mercy (seeking forgiveness & spiritual healing/restoration) & then again without Mercy, in Judgement with the others. Or, is His Church removed before His Terrors against sinners are poured out?. And here I speak of God's Judgement only & not at the revelation of the Anti-Christ, which event is not part of that Judgement (Revelation chapters 6 to 19).
For your consideration & discussion in your online Bible study. Blessings.
Daniel 9:27
King James Version
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
I have received that this is speaking of the covenant Jesus Christ made and confirmed. After his 3.5 yr ministry, Jesus was killed and the veil was rent: causing the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and the Jews havent had a temple since, nor will they until the consummation (of the marriage of the bride) and that which is determined (the wrath of God) will be poured upon the desolate (the ungodly).
So yea, the great tribulation/time of Jacob's trouble will be 3.5 yrs (a time, times, and half a time or 1260 days- as referenced elsewhere in the book of The Revelation). As to the time of the catching up, we can see from Scripture that the Man of sin/son of perdition must be revealed first, as to when in the tribulation I believe is just speculation.
John 5:39
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Be well
That's the first half of being born of water & Spirit Jesus spoke of in John 3:5 necessary to enter into the kingdom.
As to Christ being the Word, that is a lie from the pit of hell to get people to believe in a "pre-incarnate Christ" and a "trinity" (words not found in the Holy Scriptures), so that they don't know the Son of God, and He will tell them, "depart from me I never knew you" as you referenced in Matthew 7.
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. Amen. How did God create everything? By His word. It doesn't say "and the word was Christ."
And the word was made flesh ( John 1:14).
God was manifest in the flesh ( 1 Tim 3:16)
Amen.
When was God manifest in the flesh?
Luke 3:22
And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
Amen.
When the Holy Spirit (God) descended upon and began to dwell in His Son, God was manifest in the flesh, and then Jesus began his 3.5 year ministry of miracles signs and wonders.
Which brings us to the root of our conversation. Murmuring or babbling (i.e. sha la la ba ba like you can hear in some "pentecostal/apostolic" churches) is not evidence of having received the Holy Ghost. However, as I said; the fake tongues do not invalidate the real thing. The Book of Acts shows forth that anytime someone received the Holy Ghost they spoke in another tongue (be it of men or angels). If you can show me, from the scriptures, an instance that someone received the Holy Ghost by "feeling peace" then I will gladly stand corrected, but I have not found any such scripture. I wouldn't trust a "personal experience" over what the word of God says.
Isaiah 55:1
Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
You may ask. How long will the tribulation period last? Is it three and one-half years? Is it seven years? To answer your question I would suggest you study Daniel's 70-week prophecy and if you find what I have found if the 70-week prophecy has been fulfilled it will answer your question. Without the last week, the 7-year rapture theory is false and the pre, mid, or post is irrelevant.
The 70th-week prophecy Daniel 24-27 is Determined on Israel and Jerusalem/The Holy City. This prophecy tells the year the Messiah/Jesus Christ will come the first time, the baptizing by John. They rejected Him. This prophecy also tells when Jesus was crucified.
The seven-year rapture theory is taken from vs 27 and it is said he in this verse is the antichrist and he makes a covenant with Israel and in the middle of this last week, he breaks the covenant, and the great tribulation starts, (short version).
One clue, it was 69 weeks when Jesus came and He was crucified 3 years later, that puts it in the middle of that last week, the 70th week. So who is he? There is also one who we know and scripture backs up, made a covenant. Study to find and be confident in your own heart.
May God bless your study, Ron
Acts 14:22 .....that we through MUCH TRIBULATION enter into the kingdom of God.
It's been 2000 years since Christ preached the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD ( Mark 1:14) under the theory of the seven year tribulation (still waiting) no one would have entered in the kingdom of God.
Revelation 1:9 I John, whom also am your brother, and COMPANION IN TRIBULATION, and in THE KINGDOM...
It appears that John believed he was living during the time of TRIBULATION.
Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: FOR THE TIME IS AT HAND.
As the "Rapture" is not something I get into much as I'm sure you know there seems to be three beliefs, pre/mid/post, of when this will occur in relation of the tribulation in the end. The one verse I see that proves some of Gods children or chosen ones shall be here after the tribulation is stated in Matthew 24:29-31.
I would say just trust in the Lord, keep your faith, no matter what shall come about in this world. Amen.
God Bless.
No man has told me I have received the Holy Ghost. Just as no man shall ever persuade me that the Holy Ghost is not in me. I know because of what I have experienced. The Holy Bible is what God lead me to read which lead me to Jesus Christ. Most people in this world would not believe what I have experienced. Those who do are wise as I speak truth. All glory to our Lord Jesus Christ and our Father in Heaven.
I did avoid your first question. As it was unlearned. I do not believe in a "trinity of gods". God is one. It seems you do not believe in Jesus Christ being the Word of God? As stated in ( 1 John 1:14, John 14:10? The Father and the Son are also one, John 9:30. Let's not get into that though as you have your own belief. Your assumption of my water baptism is false also.
No where in the Holy Bible does it specifically state everyone who receives the Holy Ghost shall murmur or babble. That in no way is magnifying God. And to prophecy people must understand your words. Again remember as in Matthew 7:21-23 that no matter how much you prophesied, or cast out devils, in the name of the Lord that is not what saves you. The Lord searches hearts. I also just as you will have to give account for our words Matthew 12:36-37.
God Bless you.
a. Isaiah 28:11,12: "For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing..." If you read this portion of Scripture, it has nothing to do with the experience of speaking in other tongues. It has to do with the Assyrian captivity, when Ephraim (one of Joseph's sons) is particularly mentioned who would go into captivity along with Israel, because of their many sins & wicked prophets & priests. Instead of hearing the Word of God through His prophets, they would receive the Word from those "with stammering lips & another tongue", i.e. another nation & another language, implying that the Word given would also be spoken in scorn & derision to God's people. This verse has nothing to do with the spiritual gift of Tongues.
b. the 'doctrine of the Trinity'. You would have a hard time to deny the Trinity, as it was not only believed by the apostles & the early Church ( John 17:5, Matthew 28:19, John 20:28, etc), but was also believed by the early Church fathers (i.e. those who were eminent men in the post-apostolic Church, after the apostle John). Names such as Ignatius ("For our God, Jesus the Christ, was conceived by Mary according to God's plan..."; "There is only one physician, who is both flesh and spirit, born and unborn, God in man, true life in death, both from Mary and from God, first subject to suffering and then beyond it, Jesus Christ our Lord."). And Polycarp ("Now may the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the eternal High Priest himself, the Son of God Jesus Christ, build you up in faith and truth...and to all those under heaven who will yet believe in our Lord and God Jesus Christ and in his Father who raised him from the dead."). And not to mention Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Hippolytus, Origen, who all believed it. This is not an RC introduced belief.