Thank you very much for that touching comment. You just as I have proved stead fast and solid in our faith to the Lord. Your posting here is very important as you are very learned in the Scriptures. I am very thankful you came back at just the right time when you were needed here. Again, you are a very important member in the body of Christ. As I was waiting to see the reply you would received and if he would have rejected you as he did me. As we still may see.
All glory, praise, and thanks be to our Lord Jesus Christ and our Father in Heaven.
May the Lord pour His Blessings upon you. Peace be with you brother.
The Lord bless you & strengthen your resolve brother Richard. You have stood your ground well basing your comments entirely on God's precious Word. May His Spirit both inspire & energize you as you consider other folk's comments & respond as "thus saith the LORD". With Christian love & special gratitude for your unshakeable faith.
Hi Richard in Christ ,thanks so much for your thoughtfull message ,please dont worry about me ,i realise that some times we will agree with each other and some times we will disagree and thats ok ,i also believe that those very special Spirit gifts were given at that time to help the spread of the gospel just as i believe that the only thing we need in this time is that which has been provided for us by God ,His word in our Bibles ,this will bring us to Him , all will be crystal clear to us all when Christ returns ,which cant be soon enough can it ? ! I just wish we could disagree respectfully and without a contentious attitude ,if we could all do this we might learn a lot from each other ,i like to be provoked into thinking about things in a different way ,its how we learn ,may God continue to bless us all and bring us closer to each other and to Him .
As I'm sure you may have seen that Andrew has already rejected me and counted me a heretic. Do not let this man break your faith because you haven't spoken in "tongues". As he also tried to tell me I don't have the Holy Ghost because I don't speak in tongues. Which is false and he will find out one day.
Just as I stated to him It wouldn't surprise me that I was not the first child of God he rejected. Obviously not the last either.
The Conception Birth of Jesus - In Reply on Mark 3 - 3 years ago
Luke 1 details The Virgin Mary's firstborn, Jesus.
Matthew 1, details Mary's husband, Joseph, and his part in Jesus's coming into this world.
LUKE chapter 1
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? [Mary is still a virgin]
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
OnlytruthintheworldKJV ,i am in fact a sister in Christ ,ive never memtioned that on this site before ,i have never spoken in tongues ,i hope you wont hold that against me ! I was baptized in 1996 .
To re-state: I certainly don't believe in a "triune co-equal triple god". There is only One God from Whom goes His Word & His Spirit. And John 1:1 states that that Word was with God & was God. And then verse 14 states that the Word was made flesh. That Word has now been brought into the World as Jesus. So who is this Jesus? Even Colossians 1:15-19 tells us that Jesus (the Word) was involved in creation & now is the Head of the Body.
You said that 'God created everything in Genesis 1'. "He spoke it into existence. The Son of God didn't fall out of His mouth." Was Jesus the Son of God in creation? No. Only the Word of God was spoken in creation. But God chose to send forth His Word "in due time" clothed in flesh for the suffering of death. I know nothing of the "beguilement of Rome & her sorcerers", but the Scriptures reveal who Jesus is, "the Word of God made man". If this simple yet profound Truth can be made to mean something else, then I would have to query so much of the Bible that might have other such secret hidden meanings, making it altogether useless to me, leaving me floundering in confusion.
Even 1 John 5:7, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." "Three, Three". Why is it even in there, if it were not important to reveal the three-fold Nature of the One God? And that to me (without the intrusion of the supposed trickery of Rome), is clear evidence of a Triune God: One God revealed in His Fullness: Father, Word & the Holy Spirit - all Three in operation for the salvation of mankind & no doubt, in the final judgement upon the World. Blessings.
OnlytruthintheworldKJV - In Reply on Mark 3 - 3 years ago
No worries Chris,
You only get two admonitions.
God has a 2 strike law.
However, to answer your earnest questions..& to reiterate what the Scripture shows forth:
We aren't splitting hairs.
The deity of the man Christ Jesus is His Father (God). This does not make Him a separate god "of a triune co-equal triple god".
Where you and I differ is when you read the word Godhead: you understand it to be plural, when Godhead is a singular noun. In Spanish bibles it is written deidad; which simply means deity.
Likewise, when you read the word; Word in John 1:1 and 1:14 you understand it to mean: son or Christ.
Such is the beguilement of Rome and her sorcerers/TheoLOGIANs who have changed the meaning of words.
I certainly am no better than you, as I use to believe the same, until I was washed from those lies by the word of God.
When John 1:1 says: "and the Word was God."
I understand it as it is written, that the Word was God (the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ).
How did God create everything in Genesis 1? He spoke it into existence. The Son of God didn't fall out of His mouth.
1 John 5:7-8 KJV
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
These verses are not speaking about a "trinity". Rather verse 7 is speaking about God the Father (who is the Word and the Holy Spirit). And verse 8 is speaking about the baptism of water and Spirit ( John 3:5) by which you have the blood covering. It is a blood covenant.
Finally I submit to you to meditate on these verses of Scripture:
1 John 5:20-21
20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.
OnlytruthintheworldKJV - In Reply on Mark 3 - 3 years ago
Praise the Lord Jesus Christ our Passover Lamb for ever and ever!
Indeed Sasha, it truly is a blessing to encounter someone of like minded faith, that has come away from the beguilement of Rome and her sorcerers.
Be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. For we, of our own will cannot change anyone's mind. Only the Holy Ghost can. For one man sows, another waters, but God giveth the increase.
Of a truth, the doctrine of Christ is quite simple when you receive it, but only the one true God (the Father the Word and Holy Ghost) can reveal it unto babes.
This is why Jesus told Peter after he answered Jesus saying "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God."
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 16:16-17
And avoid foolish questions and contentions as brother Paul instructed brother Titus in Titus 3:9-11 9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
We are just called to speak as the oracles of God sending His word out like a sonar wave, and depending on how people respond we either continue speaking or reject them and leave it between them and the Lord after the second warning.
Much Love to you, Sacha , in Jesus' name.
P.S. just to confirm we are brothers and fellow soldiers: you have been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and have been filled with the Holy Ghost (as evidenced by speaking in an unknown tongue)?
Sacha, it is a pleasure to hear words of a pure heart. There are verses that can be used out of context to complicate the simplicity of Christ. Here is one that cannot be perverted or twisted. No debate hear stand strong in the truth.
John.14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
Thank you Andrew for your response. And lest I suffer a further admonition, I submit the following (maybe in conclusion):
A. I can appreciate your understanding, where the example given by Paul of the Assyrian siege was to alert the Corinthians that the unknown tongue was given as a sign (to those that believe not), but it was also given as a condemnation to their improper use of the Gift, when an uninterpreted Tongue has no value in the Church & would be spoken as an unintelligible sound to all, as it was heard by Ephraim in captivity. And that was the whole point of 1 Corinthians 14.
B. I quoted the early Church fathers purely to show that the Trinity teaching didn't emanate from Constantine or others, but was believed right from the apostolic era.
That was interesting that you mentioned, "There is no issue with the divinity of Christ. The deity of Christ is His Father: God." Lest we're splitting hairs, are we not saying the same thing? That for Christ to be Divine, He would have his origins from within the Godhead? That the Trinity teaching speaks of One God from Whom emanates His Word & His Spirit - not three separate deities, but One God who is only One & manifests Himself in Three personalities. That any One of them cannot think, will or act independently or contrary to the other, since the Three are One (in Essence, in Purpose, in Mind).
I don't support the Oneness (Jesus Only) belief, which generally believe that Jesus is now only seen as God, having assumed the place of the Father & the Spirit.
That the "Word was made flesh", I believe was at His conception in Mary's womb & not at His baptism. And to state: 'Jesus had only one Father - God, from Whom Jesus, the Word, proceeded & was born of God to be made Man'. Jesus was eternally God's Word but chosen to be made flesh for our sakes. The point being: did Jesus come from within the Divine to be Man, or was He specially created by God & then infilled with the Divine at His Baptism? Blessings.
I agree that Jesus is as the bible and God himself declares that Jesus is the Son of God .
And even Jesus declared that God was and is his father .
The problem is that the spirit of truth only can understand this .
The spirit of error was very evident in the Roman Catholic Church . The trinity doctrine was the spirit of error that will never acknowledge the truth . It can not . Only those that have God dwelling in them can acknowledge Jesus as the Son of God . And not add to it more or take away from it .
1st John is loaded with who Jesus is . This subject has been on this web site before , but few of any things changed .
Jesus said continue in my word and the truth will set you free ! Amen
OnlytruthintheworldKJV, you were concerned of the time and dates on the 70th week ending and feel there is 3 years left. There are not any dates or time in the scriptures so we have to look at the recorded dates in history. This is the closest dates I can find in history records but it should be within a margin of erra, may it answer your doubts.
The 70 weeks of 7= 490 years. 483 years when Jesus was baptized. History places this around 29AD. Jesus' ministry was 3 years by the number of Passovers Jesus went to according to scriptures. We are at 486 years. Stephen's death is recorded around 36AD. This is around the same time Jesus stopped confirming the New Covenant through is Apostils and Peter had his dream and went to Cornelius and the gospel went to the Gentiles.
This prophecy was determined upon Israel and Jerusalem not the world, and these six things were to be fulfilled. See for yourself if these were fulfilled by Jesus. 1 To finish the transgression ( Isaiah 53:5, 8) ( Hebrews 9:15-18) 2. To make an end of sins ( Matthew 1:21) ( Hebrews 10:8-11) ( 1 John 3:5) ( Romans 8:3) 3. To make reconciliation for iniquity ( Colossians 1:20-22) ( Isaiah 53:6) ( Titus 2:14) ( 2 Corinthians 5:18-19) 4. To bring in everlasting righteousness ( Romans 5:17-21) ( 2 Corinthians 5:21) 5. To seal up vision and prophecy ( Daniel 9:23) ( John 6:27) ( Mark 1:14-15) 6. To anoint the most holy ( Hebrews 9:6-14).
The 3 years in Revelation starts when Satan is cast down and gives his power to the beast, not connected with the 70 weeks. If not clear its ok.
OnlytruthintheworldKJV - In Reply on Mark 3 - 3 years ago
Praise Jesus!
All glory and honor to His mighty saving name! O/!
Thanks for the encouragement.
Yea we must proclaim the truth in love.
Ezekiel 33:6 KJV
But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.
Jesus is returning to catch up a virgin chaste spotless bride of believers who are baptized in His name & filled with His Spirit. I pray that I will persevere to the end and can warn & lead as many others as the Lord wills into the fold.
For He is also returning:
"In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that (a.) know not God, and that (b.) obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:"
2 Thessalonians 1:8
If someone believes Jesus Christ the Son of God is a "pre-incarnate" "co-equal" deity of a "triune" triple God, then they (a.) don't know God ( Matthew 7:21-22).
And if they haven't been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins ( Acts 2:38), then they (b.) haven't obeyed His gospel.
Thanks again Andrew ,i hope you will pop up here now and again ,there are one or two other things that i dont believe that lots of others seem to and i havent mentioned them ,yet ! Mostly i keep quiet because i know that people dont change their minds easily and im not a person who likes to get embroiled in long pointless arguements so mostly i say nothing and try to focus on the things we do have in common ,there are some things i do feel very stongly about and i know i wont be able to stay quiet for long , you have helped me to speak out about the fact that Jesus is not God and im so thankfull to you for that ,we are not alone ,there are a few others on here occasionally and most of my Christian friends know this ,stay strong and bold in the Truth ,you give courage to others ! May God bless you and bring you closer to Him every day through the mediation of our sinless High Priest in heaven ,Jesus Christ the Righteous .
Hi Andrew ,nice to meet you ,thankyou for so succinctly expressing what i have wanted to for so long now ,no one will ever be able to convince me that Jesus i s God ,it honestly distresses me that people think this , to me this doctrine actually diminishes the awe inspiring life and death of Jesus ,for his sacrifice to be acceptable as a covering for our sinfulness then he has to be just like us ,human, possessing free will and the ability to sin ,he lived a similar life to all of us before his annointing of the Holy Spirit ,he may not have had children of his own but i belive he had younger siblings ,he may have helped raise them depending on when Joseph died ,he may have been the breadwinner and provider for his family ,he understood us as humans totally , he received the Spirit WITHOUT MEASURE but that doesnt mean he was actually God ,for every verse that anyone tries to point to to say that he was i can point to twenty verses to prove he was not God ,he was tempted GOD CANNOT BE TEMPTED , im going to stop now ,im sure ive caused enough trouble for one night and im not going to debate this with anyone so you can all reply to me and i will read them but i would much rather focus on the Truth that binds us and not get into endless arguements ,no one will change my mind and im sad to think i wont change anyones mind ,thanks Andrew .
OnlytruthintheworldKJV - In Reply on Mark 3 - 3 years ago
Dear Chris,
A. Paul makes no reference to a warning about the Assyrian siege & hearing the word of God in other languages (the Assyrians were pagans, and the word of God was been only written in Hebrew).
Paul is showing forth that Isaiah's prophecy is showing that tongues are for a sign to them that believe not.
B. You say you appeal to the scriptures, yet cleave to doctrines of men such as Tertullian etc. Both Tertullian and Sabellius (originator of the oneness/modalism heresy) were theologians/witchdoctors & wolves crept in unawares.
There is no issue with the divinity of Christ. The deity of Christ is His Father: God.
2 Corinthians 5:19 (KJV) 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation
God was in Christ.
It doesnt say God was Christ or Christ was God. It says Christ was/is the Son of God. Flesh and blood cannot reveal this to you.
This is the very definition of the word Christ: the annointed one.
He was annointed with the Holy Spirit of His Father @ his baptism by John in the Jordan river. Hallelujah!
That was when the Word (God) was made flesh.
He then began his 3.5 year ministry of miracles signs and wonders.
Furthermore as per the heretical doctrine of the "trinity": there are 3 "co-equal triune" deities.
Matthew 1:18 KJV
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
So did Jesus have two Fathers?
"God the Holy Ghost" AND God the Father (the only true God)..???
I beseech you in the name of Jesus Christ to come away from the teachings of men & rome (MYSTERY BABYLON MOTHER OF HARLOTS) and all her "protestant" daughters, & read & believe the word of God AS IT IS WRITTEN.
This is your 2nd & final admonition.
I will pray for you, Chris, & I remain here for you in the gospel of Jesus Christ ( Acts 2:38)
Apologies about using the abbreviation - saving space.
Re: A. Indeed, Paul refers to Isaiah 28:11,12 though it has to be understood why he referenced it in 1 Corinthians 14:21. Ephraim was warned that because of their sins they would be carried into the Assyrian captivity where they would hear strange languages. This was a judgment against them: both the captivity & hearing God's Word in a language they didn't understand. So Paul uses that warning to Ephraim for the abuse of the Gift of other Tongues in the Corinthian Church. When the Gift ought to be used correctly (i.e. with interpretation) for the edifying of the Church, the Corinthians disregarded that & uttered in a manner that was unintelligible, resembling the confusion & nonsense that Ephraim was subjected to. So Isaiah's prophecy wasn't an authority for the future Gift of other Tongues but a warning to the Church to use the Gift correctly or else it would be of no use ( 1 Corinthians 14:7-11).
B: The Trinity. Whether of the 'Babylonian trinity' or 'Constantine's invention at the Council of Nicaea', I care little, since my appeal is to the Scriptures & I added the testimony of a couple of the early Church fathers. True, there is only one God & there is one Mediator between God & men, but we still have a problem when Scriptures reveal the Divinity of this Man Jesus. Even in John1:1-14, how can we disregard the Word of God, issued out of the Essence of God Himself, being sent forth into the World in a body of flesh. Is that impossible for God or could it be that our minds have difficulty in comprehending such a miracle? Also, could not God have provided another lamb (a special one-off creation & of complete purity) to be sacrificed for sinners? Why create a new sinless man for that purpose? Or, maybe it has something to do with the declaration of God's Love in the giving of Himself when no other sacrifice would be acceptable to Him. Philippians 2:5-11 is another compelling Scripture. Blessings to you.
OnlytruthintheworldKJV - In Reply on Mark 3 - 3 years ago
Greetings in Jesus' name, Chris.
Please forgive me not replying sooner, but I didn't see you had addressed your message to me due to the abbreviation.
A.
So concerning Isaiah 28:11-12. If this is not prophesying of the Holy Ghost as you claim; then why does Paul quote it in 1st Corinthians when speaking about the Holy Ghost and speaking in tongues?
1 Corinthians 14:21-22
21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
Jesus himself said that those who believe will speak in other tongues: Mark 16:17
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
B.
As per your claim that the apostles believed in a "trinity" of gods, that is heresy. Every Jew (including Jesus) was taught from an early age on that there is only one God in reciting the Shema ( Deut. 6:4) Jesus quoted it in Mark 12:29:
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The LORD our God is one LORD:
Paul (also raised as a devout Jew under Gamaliel) also understood this:
1 Timothy 2:5
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1 God + 1 man (in whom God dwelt - 2 Cor 5:19) does not = 3 "gods".
Research the pagan trinity of babylon (Nimrod, Semiramis & Tammuz) and how Constantine united pagans and "christians" @ the same time he was slaughtering Christians because they were just growing stronger the more he had them killed.
Numbers 23:19
19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
God did not become a man. God is a Spirit ( John 4:24).
Thank you very much for that touching comment. You just as I have proved stead fast and solid in our faith to the Lord. Your posting here is very important as you are very learned in the Scriptures. I am very thankful you came back at just the right time when you were needed here. Again, you are a very important member in the body of Christ. As I was waiting to see the reply you would received and if he would have rejected you as he did me. As we still may see.
All glory, praise, and thanks be to our Lord Jesus Christ and our Father in Heaven.
May the Lord pour His Blessings upon you. Peace be with you brother.
As I'm sure you may have seen that Andrew has already rejected me and counted me a heretic. Do not let this man break your faith because you haven't spoken in "tongues". As he also tried to tell me I don't have the Holy Ghost because I don't speak in tongues. Which is false and he will find out one day.
Just as I stated to him It wouldn't surprise me that I was not the first child of God he rejected. Obviously not the last either.
God Bless you.
Matthew 1, details Mary's husband, Joseph, and his part in Jesus's coming into this world.
LUKE chapter 1
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? [Mary is still a virgin]
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
To re-state: I certainly don't believe in a "triune co-equal triple god". There is only One God from Whom goes His Word & His Spirit. And John 1:1 states that that Word was with God & was God. And then verse 14 states that the Word was made flesh. That Word has now been brought into the World as Jesus. So who is this Jesus? Even Colossians 1:15-19 tells us that Jesus (the Word) was involved in creation & now is the Head of the Body.
You said that 'God created everything in Genesis 1'. "He spoke it into existence. The Son of God didn't fall out of His mouth." Was Jesus the Son of God in creation? No. Only the Word of God was spoken in creation. But God chose to send forth His Word "in due time" clothed in flesh for the suffering of death. I know nothing of the "beguilement of Rome & her sorcerers", but the Scriptures reveal who Jesus is, "the Word of God made man". If this simple yet profound Truth can be made to mean something else, then I would have to query so much of the Bible that might have other such secret hidden meanings, making it altogether useless to me, leaving me floundering in confusion.
Even 1 John 5:7, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." "Three, Three". Why is it even in there, if it were not important to reveal the three-fold Nature of the One God? And that to me (without the intrusion of the supposed trickery of Rome), is clear evidence of a Triune God: One God revealed in His Fullness: Father, Word & the Holy Spirit - all Three in operation for the salvation of mankind & no doubt, in the final judgement upon the World. Blessings.
You only get two admonitions.
God has a 2 strike law.
However, to answer your earnest questions..& to reiterate what the Scripture shows forth:
We aren't splitting hairs.
The deity of the man Christ Jesus is His Father (God). This does not make Him a separate god "of a triune co-equal triple god".
Where you and I differ is when you read the word Godhead: you understand it to be plural, when Godhead is a singular noun. In Spanish bibles it is written deidad; which simply means deity.
Likewise, when you read the word; Word in John 1:1 and 1:14 you understand it to mean: son or Christ.
Such is the beguilement of Rome and her sorcerers/TheoLOGIANs who have changed the meaning of words.
I certainly am no better than you, as I use to believe the same, until I was washed from those lies by the word of God.
When John 1:1 says: "and the Word was God."
I understand it as it is written, that the Word was God (the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ).
How did God create everything in Genesis 1? He spoke it into existence. The Son of God didn't fall out of His mouth.
1 John 5:7-8 KJV
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
These verses are not speaking about a "trinity". Rather verse 7 is speaking about God the Father (who is the Word and the Holy Spirit). And verse 8 is speaking about the baptism of water and Spirit ( John 3:5) by which you have the blood covering. It is a blood covenant.
Finally I submit to you to meditate on these verses of Scripture:
1 John 5:20-21
20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.
Sincerely,
Andrew
Indeed Sasha, it truly is a blessing to encounter someone of like minded faith, that has come away from the beguilement of Rome and her sorcerers.
Be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. For we, of our own will cannot change anyone's mind. Only the Holy Ghost can. For one man sows, another waters, but God giveth the increase.
Of a truth, the doctrine of Christ is quite simple when you receive it, but only the one true God (the Father the Word and Holy Ghost) can reveal it unto babes.
This is why Jesus told Peter after he answered Jesus saying "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God."
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 16:16-17
And avoid foolish questions and contentions as brother Paul instructed brother Titus in Titus 3:9-11 9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
We are just called to speak as the oracles of God sending His word out like a sonar wave, and depending on how people respond we either continue speaking or reject them and leave it between them and the Lord after the second warning.
Much Love to you, Sacha , in Jesus' name.
P.S. just to confirm we are brothers and fellow soldiers: you have been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and have been filled with the Holy Ghost (as evidenced by speaking in an unknown tongue)?
Will lead us all into All truth if we have him .
There are no excuses not to have Gods will understood . If we read the bible and are lead by the Holy Spirit .
2 Timothy 3.16 is well worth holding to and applying! Amen
John.14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
Peace to you and your family, Ron
God was Jesus father , Mary his mother . Believe it or not that's the confirmed truth of the bible .
A. I can appreciate your understanding, where the example given by Paul of the Assyrian siege was to alert the Corinthians that the unknown tongue was given as a sign (to those that believe not), but it was also given as a condemnation to their improper use of the Gift, when an uninterpreted Tongue has no value in the Church & would be spoken as an unintelligible sound to all, as it was heard by Ephraim in captivity. And that was the whole point of 1 Corinthians 14.
B. I quoted the early Church fathers purely to show that the Trinity teaching didn't emanate from Constantine or others, but was believed right from the apostolic era.
That was interesting that you mentioned, "There is no issue with the divinity of Christ. The deity of Christ is His Father: God." Lest we're splitting hairs, are we not saying the same thing? That for Christ to be Divine, He would have his origins from within the Godhead? That the Trinity teaching speaks of One God from Whom emanates His Word & His Spirit - not three separate deities, but One God who is only One & manifests Himself in Three personalities. That any One of them cannot think, will or act independently or contrary to the other, since the Three are One (in Essence, in Purpose, in Mind).
I don't support the Oneness (Jesus Only) belief, which generally believe that Jesus is now only seen as God, having assumed the place of the Father & the Spirit.
That the "Word was made flesh", I believe was at His conception in Mary's womb & not at His baptism. And to state: 'Jesus had only one Father - God, from Whom Jesus, the Word, proceeded & was born of God to be made Man'. Jesus was eternally God's Word but chosen to be made flesh for our sakes. The point being: did Jesus come from within the Divine to be Man, or was He specially created by God & then infilled with the Divine at His Baptism? Blessings.
I agree that Jesus is as the bible and God himself declares that Jesus is the Son of God .
And even Jesus declared that God was and is his father .
The problem is that the spirit of truth only can understand this .
The spirit of error was very evident in the Roman Catholic Church . The trinity doctrine was the spirit of error that will never acknowledge the truth . It can not . Only those that have God dwelling in them can acknowledge Jesus as the Son of God . And not add to it more or take away from it .
1st John is loaded with who Jesus is . This subject has been on this web site before , but few of any things changed .
Jesus said continue in my word and the truth will set you free ! Amen
The 70 weeks of 7= 490 years. 483 years when Jesus was baptized. History places this around 29AD. Jesus' ministry was 3 years by the number of Passovers Jesus went to according to scriptures. We are at 486 years. Stephen's death is recorded around 36AD. This is around the same time Jesus stopped confirming the New Covenant through is Apostils and Peter had his dream and went to Cornelius and the gospel went to the Gentiles.
This prophecy was determined upon Israel and Jerusalem not the world, and these six things were to be fulfilled. See for yourself if these were fulfilled by Jesus. 1 To finish the transgression ( Isaiah 53:5, 8) ( Hebrews 9:15-18) 2. To make an end of sins ( Matthew 1:21) ( Hebrews 10:8-11) ( 1 John 3:5) ( Romans 8:3) 3. To make reconciliation for iniquity ( Colossians 1:20-22) ( Isaiah 53:6) ( Titus 2:14) ( 2 Corinthians 5:18-19) 4. To bring in everlasting righteousness ( Romans 5:17-21) ( 2 Corinthians 5:21) 5. To seal up vision and prophecy ( Daniel 9:23) ( John 6:27) ( Mark 1:14-15) 6. To anoint the most holy ( Hebrews 9:6-14).
The 3 years in Revelation starts when Satan is cast down and gives his power to the beast, not connected with the 70 weeks. If not clear its ok.
God bless Andrew, Ron
All glory and honor to His mighty saving name! O/!
Thanks for the encouragement.
Yea we must proclaim the truth in love.
Ezekiel 33:6 KJV
But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.
Jesus is returning to catch up a virgin chaste spotless bride of believers who are baptized in His name & filled with His Spirit. I pray that I will persevere to the end and can warn & lead as many others as the Lord wills into the fold.
For He is also returning:
"In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that (a.) know not God, and that (b.) obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:"
2 Thessalonians 1:8
If someone believes Jesus Christ the Son of God is a "pre-incarnate" "co-equal" deity of a "triune" triple God, then they (a.) don't know God ( Matthew 7:21-22).
And if they haven't been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins ( Acts 2:38), then they (b.) haven't obeyed His gospel.
Be encouraged Sacha.
Be well, in Jesus' name.
I'm joyful to know that my messages have blessed you. Glory to God.
If I can serve you in any way in the gospel and/or doctrine of Jesus Christ don't hesitate to let me know.
Be well, in Jesus' mighty saving name,
Andrew
A. Paul makes no reference to a warning about the Assyrian siege & hearing the word of God in other languages (the Assyrians were pagans, and the word of God was been only written in Hebrew).
Paul is showing forth that Isaiah's prophecy is showing that tongues are for a sign to them that believe not.
B. You say you appeal to the scriptures, yet cleave to doctrines of men such as Tertullian etc. Both Tertullian and Sabellius (originator of the oneness/modalism heresy) were theologians/witchdoctors & wolves crept in unawares.
There is no issue with the divinity of Christ. The deity of Christ is His Father: God.
2 Corinthians 5:19 (KJV) 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation
God was in Christ.
It doesnt say God was Christ or Christ was God. It says Christ was/is the Son of God. Flesh and blood cannot reveal this to you.
This is the very definition of the word Christ: the annointed one.
He was annointed with the Holy Spirit of His Father @ his baptism by John in the Jordan river. Hallelujah!
That was when the Word (God) was made flesh.
He then began his 3.5 year ministry of miracles signs and wonders.
Furthermore as per the heretical doctrine of the "trinity": there are 3 "co-equal triune" deities.
Matthew 1:18 KJV
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
So did Jesus have two Fathers?
"God the Holy Ghost" AND God the Father (the only true God)..???
I beseech you in the name of Jesus Christ to come away from the teachings of men & rome (MYSTERY BABYLON MOTHER OF HARLOTS) and all her "protestant" daughters, & read & believe the word of God AS IT IS WRITTEN.
This is your 2nd & final admonition.
I will pray for you, Chris, & I remain here for you in the gospel of Jesus Christ ( Acts 2:38)
Be well.
Re: A. Indeed, Paul refers to Isaiah 28:11,12 though it has to be understood why he referenced it in 1 Corinthians 14:21. Ephraim was warned that because of their sins they would be carried into the Assyrian captivity where they would hear strange languages. This was a judgment against them: both the captivity & hearing God's Word in a language they didn't understand. So Paul uses that warning to Ephraim for the abuse of the Gift of other Tongues in the Corinthian Church. When the Gift ought to be used correctly (i.e. with interpretation) for the edifying of the Church, the Corinthians disregarded that & uttered in a manner that was unintelligible, resembling the confusion & nonsense that Ephraim was subjected to. So Isaiah's prophecy wasn't an authority for the future Gift of other Tongues but a warning to the Church to use the Gift correctly or else it would be of no use ( 1 Corinthians 14:7-11).
B: The Trinity. Whether of the 'Babylonian trinity' or 'Constantine's invention at the Council of Nicaea', I care little, since my appeal is to the Scriptures & I added the testimony of a couple of the early Church fathers. True, there is only one God & there is one Mediator between God & men, but we still have a problem when Scriptures reveal the Divinity of this Man Jesus. Even in John1:1-14, how can we disregard the Word of God, issued out of the Essence of God Himself, being sent forth into the World in a body of flesh. Is that impossible for God or could it be that our minds have difficulty in comprehending such a miracle? Also, could not God have provided another lamb (a special one-off creation & of complete purity) to be sacrificed for sinners? Why create a new sinless man for that purpose? Or, maybe it has something to do with the declaration of God's Love in the giving of Himself when no other sacrifice would be acceptable to Him. Philippians 2:5-11 is another compelling Scripture. Blessings to you.
Please forgive me not replying sooner, but I didn't see you had addressed your message to me due to the abbreviation.
A.
So concerning Isaiah 28:11-12. If this is not prophesying of the Holy Ghost as you claim; then why does Paul quote it in 1st Corinthians when speaking about the Holy Ghost and speaking in tongues?
1 Corinthians 14:21-22
21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
Jesus himself said that those who believe will speak in other tongues: Mark 16:17
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
B.
As per your claim that the apostles believed in a "trinity" of gods, that is heresy. Every Jew (including Jesus) was taught from an early age on that there is only one God in reciting the Shema ( Deut. 6:4) Jesus quoted it in Mark 12:29:
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The LORD our God is one LORD:
Paul (also raised as a devout Jew under Gamaliel) also understood this:
1 Timothy 2:5
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1 God + 1 man (in whom God dwelt - 2 Cor 5:19) does not = 3 "gods".
Research the pagan trinity of babylon (Nimrod, Semiramis & Tammuz) and how Constantine united pagans and "christians" @ the same time he was slaughtering Christians because they were just growing stronger the more he had them killed.
Numbers 23:19
19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
God did not become a man. God is a Spirit ( John 4:24).