Mark Chapter 12 Discussion



 
  • Jesse - in Reply on Mark 12
    Mike,

    Thank you for sharing this. As you say, this is a great lesson. We find it in Mark 12:41-44 which speaks about the casting of the widow's mite

    Verse 41 says that Jesus sat over against the treasury. Now I like this one! This would be equivalent to Jesus sitting across the tithing envelopes in the foyer in our church fellowship. That would make someone nervous wouldn't it? And He was watching how the people cast their money into the treasury: how they were doing it, not how much. And many that were rich cast in much.

    Verse 42 says that she threw in two mites (and these are not bugs). Those are the names of coins. It is actually the word LEPTA. A LEPTA is only 1/64th of a day's wage. Somebody figured that out to be about 10 or 12 minutes, 1/64th of a day's wage.

    And so two of them, two mites, it adds up to a KORENTAS, 1/32nd of a day's wage. Not much! She threw in these two coins worth 1/32nd of a day's wage. Today, someone might have sent a visitation committee to her house. Now the word farthing is the word KORENTAS in this text.

    And as you mentioned, it is very interesting on how God views money. In Verse 43, Jesus saw that the people were casting in money and many that were rich threw in a lot of money. And He says that this widow threw in more than all of them put together. So they are kind of baffled at this.

    But the message of scripture is not how much you put in, it's how much you have left over. That is the way God looks at giving. She put in 1/32nd of a day's wage but it was all she had. Everything! She had nothing left over.

    Again, great message. Thanks for sharing this!
  • Mike Rios on Mark 12
    One of the greatest lessons taught about giving is found here in the meager giving of the widow. It's obvious that great riches were poured into the treasury yet Jesus took note of the greater giving done by the window. Though her giving was miniscule compared to the others Jesus noted that she gave of her want. Jesus noted that her giving was greater because of what she had left after she gave. The scribes and Pharisees were not hurt nor left in want after they gave. The widow gave of her want. She's left with more want after her giving. That kind of giving is what catches Jesus'attention.
  • Widows and Orphans - in Reply on Mark 12
    Jeremiah 49:11

    Leave thy fatherless children, I will preserve them alive; and let thy widows trust in me.

    Lamentations 5:3

    We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers are as widows.

    Mark Chapter 12

    41 And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.

    42 And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.

    43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:

    44 For all they did cast in of their ABUNDANCE, but she of her WANT did cast in all that she had, even all her living.

    Comment: Jesus sees what we put in the offering, and what's in our hearts.
  • Giannis - in Reply on Mark 12
    Hello Kenebrew.

    I think Jesus wants to point out that it's not what i give to God but what i give from what is available to me. So if i have little and give it ito God is considered by God more than smd else who gives a lot more but its only a small fraction of what he has. This also works parabolic. So give Lord everything you have. What you can do for God? You think that just praying for other people is little and have nothing else to give, money or something else? Well give it to God, He will appreciate it very much.

    GBU
  • T Levis - in Reply on Mark 12
    Matthew 6, Matthew 19:16-30, Luke 18:18-30, Luke 14:33, Luke 12,
  • Kenebrew on Mark 12
    Verses 42- 44, Jesus notes that the widow gave all that she had. In the next chapter, the synagogue is to be destroyed in the future. Previously in verses 38-40, Jesus told them to beware of the scribes which devour widows' houses. Isn't that precisely what is happening here? The widow gave all that she had and now has nothing. Jesus did not comment that we should do the same. Isn't this more of a condemnation of the scribes and the system?
  • Wade moser on Mark 12
    My main take on these passages is the point of trying to tell Jesus how the word of God is. It is like an author of a book being told by a reader what he was trying to say by their interpretation. Errancy was rampant by personal thought instead of divine revelation. Revelation explains in chapter one that it was given by an unveiling. God help us to remove our own veils to see what He intends and not our own.
  • Rick Mentzer - in Reply on Mark 12
    Donna The greek translation means inseparable like our relationship with our Father God when born again

    spiritually nice eh.
  • Donna - in Reply on Mark 12
    I read that In Hebrew the "one" used in the lord our God is "one" translates as " in unity with".
  • THE GODHEAD scriptures - in Reply on Mark 12
    The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.

    Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

    Isaiah 6:8

    Romans 1:20

    Colossians 2:9

    Acts 17:27-30

    1 John 5:7

    John 10:30

    "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are without excuse:"

    Genesis 1:1

    The Father purposes

    The Word (Jesus) speaks. ( John 1:1)

    The Spirit (Holy Spirit) executes the spoken word. Action.

    All working together. Jesus came to show us the Father, as Emmanuel.

    Matthew 1:23

    Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God WITH US. Jesus is all human and all God. Satan is a created being. He has no authority as a result from Jesus dying on the cross for The World.

    {Comment} Jesus came to bring to each born again believer; the baptism and the in-dwelling of the Holy Spirit.

    [ Genesis 1:2, John 3:6, Acts 2:1-3, John 16: 7-15]

    Upon being born again, Jesus gives the Holy Spirit to teach us scripture, comfort us, convict us of sin, enable us to be witnesses. Stay in the New Testament at first.
  • Commentary on Mark 12 - in Reply on Mark 12
    Matthew Henry Commentary from this Website

    MARK 12:28-34

    28-34 Those who sincerely desire to be taught their duty, Christ will guide in judgment, and teach his way. He tells the scribe that the great commandment, which indeed includes all, is, that of loving God with all our hearts. Wherever this is the ruling principle in the soul, there is a disposition to every other duty. Loving God with all our heart, will engage us to every thing by which he will be pleased. The sacrifices only represented the atonements for men's transgressions of the moral law; they were of no power except as they expressed repentance and faith in the promised Saviour, and as they led to moral obedience. And because we have not thus loved God and man, but the very reverse, therefore we are condemned sinners; we need repentance, and we need mercy. Christ approved what the scribe said, and encouraged him. He stood fair for further advance; for this knowledge of the law leads to conviction of sin, to repentance, to discovery of our need of mercy, and understanding the way of justification by Christ.

    You can Google this too and choose the website "Bible Hub DOT com" to read commentary by other Bible Scholars. Type it like this=

    Mark 12:28-34, Bible Commentaries
  • Rick Mentzer - in Reply on Mark 12
    Joseph estes this was the children of israels biggest problem and still is today in many areas of life.

    the four main areas self others religion man made or environment{last one nature} all but

    the one true god.
  • Chris - in Reply on Mark 12
    Hello Joseph. That is a great verse couplet ( Mark 12:29,30), which needed no explanation from Jesus, as every Jew had that those words indelibly etched in their minds. This is what they refer to as the "Shema", which means 'Hear' in Hebrew. What Jesus did add, was verse 31, "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these." And to this declaration, the Scribe/Lawyer clearly affirmed Jesus' Words, to which Jesus perceived that the man was "not far from the kingdom of God". Muslims also have a common declaration which is always repeated, known as the Shahada, but it doesn't bear repeating here because of its content.

    However, I don't believe that Jesus was inferring the Trinity, or His Deity, by quoting the Shema. Jesus somewhat veiled this aspect of His Divinity, though never denying any outburst from the religious leaders for His 'blasphemous claims' (e.g. Matthew 26:59-65; John 10:30-38). I think that when certain spiritual eyes were opened, they were able to know from the Words of Jesus & the demonstration of His Life & Works, that this was no ordinary Man, however blessed He might be from God. This was One they had never encountered before: might they be standing before, seeing & listening to God Himself, now come to them in human form to bring light & hope to their darkened souls? When we read the Gospels, we see clearly this conflict amongst many who came before Him; many hated Him & wanted to dispose of Him - others realized the Messiah of God had come for their sakes & they'd better pay attention to Him.

    And even though the word 'trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Scriptures, all the references to that point to Jesus' presence with God & part of the Godhead ( John 3:13; John 6:38; Colossians 2:9; John 1:1-14; John 10:30; Colossians 1:15-17; & many more), give us undeniable proof of Him & His Words. Only the Christ from God could fully pay the price for our sins, securing our redemption.
  • Joseph Estes on Mark 12
    What about a discussion of Mark 12:29? I find it interesting, after the scribe (verse 28) asks the important question, "What is the greatest commandment?", that there is seldom commentary regarding the actual answer (verse 29): "Jesus answered him saying, 'The greatest commandment is know, O Israel, the Lord OUR God is one Lord."

    Discussion here completely omits any dialog about this verse about the answer Jesus gives him the clear and true meaning gets left out by saying, ".. the great commandment, which indeed includes all, is, that of loving God with all our hearts." What it also "includes" is the great commandment [quote]: "Jesus answered him saying, 'The greatest commandment is know, O Israel, the Lord OUR GOD is ONE Lord' (emphasis added).

    Jesus is including himself with "OUR GOD" and why would he say "ONE" Lord, instead of trinity.

    Also, if the word 'Trinity' is nowhere in the Bible . . . what can we think about that?

    Thank you so much for opening up my mind and heart to consider the possibility of learning how to think for myself - instead of thinking what I'm told to think.

    I love the beautiful way the Bible still tells it like it is, when it comes to monotheism.

    One God.

    Him I really want love with all my heart, mind, soul and spirit. Yes, I want to pray to the same God Jesus prayed to.
  • David on Mark 12
    AJAX on Mark 12:29 You are correct.

    The term Trinity isn't in the Bible. Neither is the word Bible in the Bible. The word rapture isn't in the Bible, and neither is the word Saturday in the Bible.

    Never-the-less, the teachings of the doctrine of the Trinity do exist in the Bible. I challenge you to do your own study. Then you can explain how the Holy Spirit lives in a born again believer, the Lord Jesus stands at the right hand of the throne of God, and God the Father sits on the throne; all at the same time.



    And is still be considered as One Triune God according to Scripture. God bless you and us all as we learn more of our God, King, and soon coming Lord Jesus Christ.
  • David on Mark 12
    Hi Rodney;

    God bless all the discussion and questions on this forum. Much has been said regarding the Sabbath day and its significance in our lives as children of God. However it wasn't until Moses received the 10 commandments was the law given regarding the Sabbath.

    In all of the Book of Genesis, there is no mention of the word Sabbath. My question is "What day did Adam and Eve worship on?" Did God only come into the garden on the Sabbath to walk and talk with Adam? If Adam and Eve were created on the 6th day, is it their 7th day or God's seventh day. And what would Adam and Eve be resting from?

    Remember God rested on the seventh day because He completed all of "creation." The word rested means He stopped creating. Did the Lord God do more creating on the eight day to day 13? Did He rest again on the 14th day? In Genesis 26:5 Abraham kept God's requirements, commands, decrees and laws. The verse tells us that Abraham was obedient, but it simply doesn't tell us which statutes and decrees were in effect in his day.

    The Sabbath is a reunion between Israel and God as it is said,"It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel for ever" Exodus 31:16, 17

    No where does the Bible indicate that the Sabbath was given to anyone except the Jews. Exodus 16:28, 29

    The choice is still your own. Praying that this helps us all as we await the return of the Lord in His glory.

    Sources:

    Holy Bible KJV 1611

    "The Sabbath and the Ten" by Michael Morrison, Grace

    Communion International,Article Archive, archive.gci.org

    Jubilees2:31, James Charlesworth, editor, The Old Testament Pseudepigrapha(New York:Doubleday, 1985) vol 2,p.58

    Midrash Exodus Rabbah25:11(Soncino edition,p314); ibid.,p.74.
  • Chris - in Reply on Mark 12
    Just to clarify: Jesus was quoting Moses' words in Deuteronomy 6:4, when Moses continued to utter the commandments & instructions to Israel that he received directly from God.
  • Adam - in Reply on Mark 12
    Hello, what is your motive for posting that God is one God? Christians have known this all along, because the Bible has always said that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are one, not two, not three, but one. Just like the pulp, skin, seeds of an orange is one orange, not three oranges. Some people have a hard time comprehending, so they make up stuff and try to discredit and slander Jesus, for example, which is unthinkable, but that of course it's based on a clever lie from satan.

    Who is most likely to trick everyone into assuming Jesus isn't who people say He is: God, or satan? The father of lies is behind so much of the new age and regressive movements we see today trying to manipulate and deceive people into believing falsehoods. I hope you're not part of this group, but I mention it so everyone is on guard for the false prophets who sometimes even post on this website. People should really pray hard and do deep soul searching before trying to slander God in Bible website. The day of judgment is coming. Even those who believe they're saved regardless of their actions will still face judgment before going anywhere. Some will cry out Lord, Lord. Fight the good fight, run the race well to the end. God bless.

    Link
  • Brother Dan - in Reply on Mark 12
    Brother Freeman,

    No, I have never seen one instance where Jesus sided with men against his Father. Can you explain in further detail?

    God Bless
  • Freeman - in Reply on Mark 12
    You did not read or understand the text .

    Verse v29 " The Lord our God is one Lord "

    Notice the word "our" glad to be of service . He did not say I'm God . That would be opposite.
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Mark 12
    I don't know where you got that but it is false. Matthew 36:-40.
  • Brother Dan - in Reply on Mark 12
    Freeman,

    I agree, the 1st, and 2nd commandments - are the greatest of all. Amen.

    As Christians we also can't ignore the other eight.

    John 14:21

    "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."
  • Freeman on Mark 12
    Mark12.29

    The most important commandment ! May stun some . But Jesus knows ...
  • James e Bostic on Mark 12:30
    Yes the effects of sin has left a crimson stain indeed
  • James on Mark 12:44
    That's ok though. Let them. It's humility. Pride tells us not to but pride is the sin of Lucifer.
  • Alex on Mark 12:44
    My comments about the parable of the sower and his seed as found in Mat. 13. That good seed is the living Word and God shows us the END RESULT of the Sower and his PRECIOUS SEED IN Rev 12. That Woman is the good ground THE WORLD where the good seed was sown .She was impregnated by the good Seed which is the Words of God thats y she has the substance of things hoped for the Evidence of things not seen (THE FETUS ) OF Christ which is the H.G. the Kingdom. She was in pains and Sorrows to be delivered of her Child the H.G. Even in the natural when a woman is pregnant she has the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen ( the fetus ) Thats what is gona happen to the Whole WORLD remember Jesus said the field was the WORLD where that good seed is gona be sown, in the hearts of humanity . Jeremiah saw the whole WORLD in travail and birth PAINS . Infact 27 times in the O.T. the prophets saw the world in travail and birth PAINS , Its gona happen after the Book is opened, we will all sing a new song about Christ and his precious seed the New Covenant. God is gonna put his words/LAWS in our hearts and minds MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE TO SIN AS THEM THAT ARE BORN OF GOD CANNOT SIN. REV 12 : 10 NOW IS COME SALVATION AND The KINGDOM OF OUR GOD AND THE POWER OF HIS CHRIST ( HER CHILD ) Yes there can be a fetus of Christ, my lil children of whom i travail in birth again till Christ is formed in you, the fetus is simply the H.G. that we feel moving in our hearts . That good seed is the living Word of God that he is gonna sow in our hearts and minds thus we are the WOMAN the Church that is gona have a baby Christ that CHILD OF PROMISE. Unless ya receive the Kingdom of GOD as a lil Child Jesus said. Thats y the Sower OF THE GOOD SEED wants to sow his seed in our hearts that we might be bornagain of an incorruptible seed EVEN BY THE WORDS OF GOD thus the manchild that is gona be born in us. Thats how the manchild will rule ALL NATIONS he is gona be born in ALL MEN GB
  • Chris - in Reply on Mark 12:44
    By all means Rodney. I would look forward to further discussion on this or related matters. Every blessing.
  • Rodney - in Reply on Mark 12:44
    Hi Chris. I hope you dont mind me comparing verses with you as i believe it is crucial we get to the bottom of this .please let me knw if we may continue corresponding .reason being this is a process and a few random verses wont give us a clear understanding of who the true Creator is . Please advise .

    Kind Regards

    Rodney
  • Chris - in Reply on Mark 12:44
    Hi Rodney, I did post a reply to your similar request yesterday. Maybe you haven't seen it, or you might be looking for further comment from others. I do hope you get other views to help you with your enquiry.

    Rather, than repeat what I wrote earlier, I would add here: that the early Church may have picked the First Day of the Week as the day to come together to worship the Lord in remembrance of their Saviour's resurrection on that day, as well as a show of further segregation from the Jewish Law. Of course, the Sabbath was being adhered to by the Jews, & indeed by Paul in his ministry to them (as in Acts 17:2). But it appears that believers no longer observed the Sabbath for worship (maybe it was still a day of rest though), but they came together on the first day of the week ( Acts 20:7), now being referred to as the Lord's Day ( Revelation 1:10).

    In ministry in Pakistan, Friday is the Muslim's rest day & for a more dedicated worship & preaching in the mosque. As Christians, we had to fall in line with this day & so our corporate worship time in a Church Fellowship fell on a Friday. Some Churches still held a Sunday service, though that was not well attended, as most were required to work. So, any day that is selected can be used as a corporate day of worship, seeing that for the Christian, every day is alike to come before the Lord; but as ordered by the Lord, one day in the week still needs to be set aside as rest, for the health & recuperation of the mind & body. So I find it strange that an insistence for a Christian having to observe a Saturday Sabbath as necessary, as the Jews do, when that is not only meaningless for us but also demonstrates one placing himself back under the Law. I also wonder how well that believer observes the Sabbath: does he refrain from buying, or working in the garden, or dealing with an urgent repair job at home?

    To your other question on observing the correct day of rest from the days of Adam & Eve, I wrote about this earlier.
  • Rodney Edwards on Mark 12:44
    Good day .i am a welder by trade but i do read the Bible and another Scriptural book.the great contovercy ..from at the biggining of creation Our Creator set aside a very specific day .the 7th day .called the Sabbath.i do admire your commitment and and your dilegence .i have quite a few verses in the Bible stating the importance of the 7th day Sabbath.could you please enlighten me as to why sunday is the majority of Christians day of worship.please do not misunderstand me i just need clarity. Another question comes to mind which day of worship was first instituted for all mankind since Adam and Eve were created.was it the 7th day or the 1st day of the week and if so why do the Majority of Christian worship on the Sunday.as i have said i am simply seeking clarity. Please advise

    Kind Regards

    Rodney Edwards


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