Malachi Chapter 4 Discussion

  • Pierre1939 - in Reply on Malachi 4
    Hi lisalou....this is the way i look at that....TASTE OF DEATH....When Jesus said to count the cost he was telling them they had to give away everything they had...They had to give it all away...Which is death to our old old adamic nature.

    ....Remember Paul said i have suffered the loss of all things and count them but dung that i might win Christ.... Philippians 3:8...kjv...And some had left their families their wives and Children in order to follow Jesus....They went thru a type of death.....They tasted DEATH spiritually speaking....He that loveth wife and Children more them me is not worthy of me....They tasted death, its not easy to forsake everything you have and follow Jesus...But the early Church did that....They sold everything they had and divided the money....They tasted Death....If a man forsake not everything he has he cannot be my disciple....Thats y he told them to count the cost b/f you follow me....Its gona cost ya everything....maybe even your life...They tasted death...Alex
  • Pierre1939 - in Reply on Malachi 4
    Gi-Gi...Yes we still use the written word but listen to what Paul is saying....1 st Cor. 13:9...We know in part we prophesy in part etc but when that which is perfect ( the New Covenant) That book in the fathers right come that which is done in part shall be done away with....Gi Gi....We don't wanna be married to the written word but to the living word...That New Covenant...Remember that image in Daniel 2 that had the head of gold....It was all in parts...From the head to the foot all in parts...But a stone cut out of the mountain had to strike the image on his feet then it was all dissolved....Even its head of Gold...Modern day Chritianity is that image....Thats y Paul is saying when that which is perfect is come ( the new covenant the book written in his blood ) The stone ( the seed of the sower that has to be sown in mans hearts... That which is done in parts shall be done away with....Yes we love the bible but the bible is not the living word...That New Covenant...The Church has to be married to Christ the living word much greater then the written word...We don't wanna be married to the written Word...the old covenant word.... but to the living word Christ Jesus....Its Christ that is the bridegroom not the bible..

    ..... John 5 :39...Thats y Jesus said search the scriptures ( the written words ) In them you think you have ETERNAL LIFE BUT IT IS THEM THAT TESTIFY OF ME which are living words....The H.G. The babes and sucklings as that which s born of the spirit is spirit the H.G....a living being....Our new hearts and new spirits are living beings...Much greater then written words...Thats y Isaiah is saying a lil Child is gonna lead them...a living being ...which is that spirit of truth that is gona rule all nations....Thats y the scripture is saying...2 Cor.3:6 God has made us able ministers of the New Covenant...Not of the written word but of the living word....The written word is a killer but the spirit gives life..My Words are spirit and
  • Pierre1939 - in Reply on Malachi 4
    Hiya GiGi...Lemme tell you thats this New Covenant is not about written words....But about living words a living being has to be born in us which is that N.C....You are of the same mentality as old Israel...They knew the bible by heart....They were sola scriptura...But God was not pleased with Israel....They stoned most all the Prophets and rejected the Christ....The written word did not help them 1 bit....The written word answers to the lesser light...David comes to mind....Thats y God wanted a new covenant....Remember Jesus said no man desires New wine....they say the old wine is the best wine....Thats you Gi-Gi you do not understand that Jesus made a new covenant in his blood but this N.C. Requires a new bottle....A new innerman which is the H.G....You are in essence saying the O.C. is th best covenant....That OLD WINE...The written word is not the N.C....The a birth of Christ in us...You gotta realize that Jesus shed his blood to bring in a new covenant...Which is the H.G. a living being that has to be born in us..which is our new bottle that is given the spirit without measure..Israel cd not obtain righteousness by the Torah the written word....Thats y the scripture tells us if righteousness came by the law the written word then JESUS SHED HIS BLOOD IN VAIN..Gal.2:15....And the Cross was just foolishness...Thats y Jesus refered to himself as the Son of Man....Simply b/c mankind has to birth a new innerman...A New bottle that cannot break when that NEW Covenant in given to us sinners....But you continually to lift up written words not understanding that Israel was sola Scriptura...Written word only...But there was none righteous no not one...Thus the need for a new covenant in his blood @ Calvary...Thats y the New Birth is so important....She brought forth a manchild which was her new innerman the H.G. The Children of Promise....our new bottle that cannot break living words, living beings...Gi-Gi behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of world.
  • GiGi - in Reply on Malachi 4
    HMM. Lisalou, I meant to send this to Jema, don't know what happened.

    Love your name, by the way.
  • GIGI - in Reply on Malachi 4
    Alex, continued

    For instruction in righteousness, so that the man of God may be perfect (complete), thoroughly furnished (equipped) unto all good works."

    Alex, I pray that you will stop dissing the written, God-breathed Word of God, along with the church as a whole. Your disdain for what God calls us to respect, love, and uphold is concerning. If you truly believe that believers do not need any one else to teach them, then why do you post on here and tell people that they are in error followed by your "correction"? If what you say is true about each person learning by the Spirit without the input of others, then we can just disregard what you say because, according to your view, we have nothing to learn from you.

    Alex, you know that I love and care for you, so this is not an attack on you, rather it is a logical response to what you have posted. I hope you have a good day. You do not need to respond back.
  • GIGI - in Reply on Malachi 4
    Alex, God used men to spread the gospel and teach others as He commissioned the apostles and many other disciples to go and teach all nations what He had taught them. And then, He inspired men to write their teachings in letters to the churches and in the gospel accounts as well as Acts. God used Moses to write the books of the Old Testament and David and others to write their psalms.

    Anyone who resists learning from others resists God's ordained way of building up the body of Christ. Your prejudice against the church is so evident, as you indicate that you are a loner and separated from any oversight over your Christian walk. Of course, we have the Holy spirit within us since our conversion, but the Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write that we are to submit to those He has put over us to teach and direct us in the Word and in how we live out our lives in Christ ( 1 Cor. 16:15-16; Heb. 13:17)

    You can "keep telling me" of your take on this till you are blue in the face. I will not heed what you say because it goes against Scripture and shows a lack of humility, reveals an unteachable spirit where you lack a willingness to learn from others whom God may send to you to instruct you. You have shown by your repeated posts with the same narrative that you hold to some grievous errors that have been addressed by myself and others on this forum repeatedly.

    We are told in Scripture to test what we hear preached, taught, or promulgated by people who claim to be Christians to be sure that it aligns with Scripture. The words of Scripture are our guide to sound beliefs that will keep us from straying into false beliefs. This is what God has chosen for His Church as a means for instruction and for bringing people to faith in Jesus. But, although you cite Scriptures regularly, you say that the letter kills.

    We are told in 2 Timothy 3:16 that "all Scripture is given by the inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, .. continued
  • Jema - in Reply on Malachi 4
    Thank you Jesse , I know I often forget that were thousands of people who followed Jesus and heard his words so yes , I think it's very probable that Stephen was in that crowd and Jesus may have know his fate well before his actual stoning . It's logical to think that this phrase was to do with the transfiguration because it comes straight afterwards . I remember also that it was Peter James and John who witnessed the miracle of the twelve year old girl brought back to life by Jesus . It seems these three were in some way special to Jesus and I think it was because they would be leaders after his death . These three would need the strength that witnessing these miracles and visions would give them in the future . They would be persecuted and tortured and would have to be very strong in their faith in order to stand this awful treatment and , in order to convince others of the Truth, they and us , need to be convinced in themselves because this conviction would shine through them and their testimonies and help to convince others . Always enjoy your posts thank you for replying to me .
  • Jesse - in Reply on Malachi 4

    Thank you so much for sharing this. That is something I had not considered before about what Stephen had seen. That is very interesting. Could this have meant that Stephen was in the crowd of people listening to those words Jesus spoke? It is possible that he could have been there, so what you are saying makes sense. Thank you again, and please know that you've explained it quite well. And also, I think you are amongst many patient and caring believers here, so nothing to be concerned about with that!

    Blessings to you!
  • GIGI - in Reply on Malachi 4

    The New Testament was written in Greek, so learning what the Greek translation is of a passage and gaining understanding of the Greek (that is much more exacting than English) is helpful. It is the language God used as He inspired the writers of the New Testament. We should respect that and be willing to learn from this language. Same is true of the Old Testament, written in Hebrew, which also is a language that has far more depth than English. This is the language God used to inspire the writers of the Old Testament. So few of us know these languages, so I truly appreciate it when people who do know these languages provide us with their knowledge of Greek and Hebrew. We are lucky to have Giannis and Jesse here to teach us. God uses believers to teach one another. We should be willing to make use of this way God teaches us along with what the Holy Spirit teaches us in our personal reading of the Word. It is the same Spirit that instructs in both circumstances.

    I do think that most of us on this forum are here to learn from Scripture from one another, not just to post our own interpretations and not be willing to learn from others. So, we should be humble and recognize our need for one another and value how God uses each other to help us grow in faith and knowledge of Scripture and especially of Jesus Christ.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Malachi 4

    Thank you for sharing that. We are also told in Hebrews that Jesus Christ is the APAUGASMA, or outbeam of God's glory.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Malachi 4

    Again, no offense taken. Also, I have never once told anyone that they need to learn Greek!
  • Pierre1939 - in Reply on Malachi 4
    Jesse i love ya no offence....But we cannot lift up the Greek language to teach us anything of any spiritual value....As John says in 1 John 2:27....Its the Anointing we receive of him that abides in us that will teach us all things...Which is the gift of the H.G. That Promise baptism that is gona teach us all things...Remember Jesus said its the H.G. that is the gift of God....Not any certain language....But a living being that has to be born in us which is our new innerman, That New Creature....The Child of Promise....As Isaiah says a lil Child is gona lead us....Which is that which is born in us of the spirit...That Living word a living being .Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in etc...Which is that Spirit of truth that is gona rule all nations...But we cannot tells folks they need to learn Greek thats in essence is saying the H.G. The anointing wd need to learn Greek to minister or teach us all things ....As the Anointing is God....And is the Promise Child...As the woman is Rev. 12 is giving birth to the manchild....That Child of Promise that is gonna rule all nations...The anointing that is gona teach us all things....He don't need to learn Greek....He ministers to us by his SPIRIT....By my spirit saith the Lord not by a certain language....Jesse we can hear his voice without hearing any language...Jesus told Peter Flesh and blood has not revealed it unto you but my father in heaven...Which is Spirit...O.K...... 1st John 2:27 The anointing you have received of him will teach you all things...Which is a spirit...our new hearts and new spirits the H.G....That Child of Promise....Nobody needs to learn the Greek language to understand the bible....But like I said no offence in Christ Jesus...Love ya dear Jesse....
  • Pierre1939 - in Reply on Malachi 4
    Jesse no offence but your take on the transfiguration is lacking....In all 3 of these transfigurations his raiment was white as snow....He was presenting to God a glorious Church without spot of wrinkle b/c of his blood....Its the Church that is that city on a hill that is the light of the world...As Matthew 5:14...He was impling that the Church is his raiment that is white as snow....i was in need of raiment and you clothe me...As Isaiah said he wd stain all of his raiment...which is the Church...There is no fuller on earth that can whiten us like his blood....Tho your sins be as scarlet ( the church) they shall be white as Snow...His Raiment was white as Snow....His face, his image was changed simply b/c he is gonna be married to the Church the bride...Thus we are gonna be made 1 with Christ the Bridegroom....We are that city set on a hill that is supposed give the world a light... Eph 5:27 That he might present to himself as Glorious Church without spot or wrinkle....His raiment was white as snow not having any kind of a spot or wrinkle....Which is us sinners that has been washed in his blood....And also Peter says he was with him on the Holy Mt when they heard this voice from heaven etc... 2 Peter 1:18....But ya gotta realize that his raiment was the Church that was made white as snow but his blood at Calvary....I was in need of raiment and your clothe me...ok lemme go
  • Jema - in Reply on Malachi 4
    Hello Jesse . I read your reply to Lisalou and enjoyed it . The reason I gave the reference of Acts chapter 7 verses 55 and 56 is because I believe that Stephen did actually get a vision of Christ in his Father's Kingdom and , if we keep reading verses 57 and 58 , we see that those Jews who heard Stephen say , Behold , I see the heavens opened , and the Son of Man standing in the right hand of God , were deeply offended by this and it seems that this is what prompted them to stone him to death . In Mark chapter 14 Jesus says to the high priest , in verse 62 , ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power , and coming in the clouds of heaven , the high priest responds , What need we any further witnesses ? In Luke chapter 16 , just before Jesus says , There be some standing here...etc , he is talking about people loosing their life for the gospels sake , verses 24 through to verse 28 . So he prefaces his statement about some standing here with people loosing their life for his sake , which of course we all know Stephen was the first Christian martyr . If you are wondering when the high priest shall receive his similar vision , I believe that will be when he is ressurected , Zechariah chapter 12 verse 10 . I'm new to this so please excuse me while I learn how to explain myself better ! I hope people will be patient with me .
  • Jesse - in Reply on Malachi 4
    Part 2): They shall not taste of death.


    Something that is unfortunate is that Orthodox rabbis use this verse to prove the Jesus Christ is not the Messiah because Jesus said there are some standing right here that will not taste of death until they see the Kingdom of God. They say that the Kingdom of God still has not been established on the earth, and the disciples are dead, so what Jesus said is not true. That is the way they see it.

    But we know better. Peter, James, and John got to see the kingdom of God come before they died. They got to see Jesus completely transformed. In Luke 9:29, that word glistering, the Greek word represents emitting a light, not reflecting, but emitting. The light was actually coming out from Him, and it is the word that is used to describe lightning. So, you can imagine what the scene was like. It was not reflected light. It was not a spotlight coming out of heaven to shine on Jesus. He was literally transformed into His body of glory in front of them.

    Great question, blessings to you in Christ Jesus!
  • Jema - in Reply on Malachi 4
    Hello please read Acts chapter 7 , in particular verse 55 and 56 .
  • Jesse - in Reply on Malachi 4
    (Part 1): They shall not taste of death.


    If I may offer another perspective on this, we see Jesus saying this also in Matthew 16:28, and Mark 9:1. If you notice, after all three presentations, it immediately goes into the transfiguration of Christ. Matthew ends at Verse 28, but as soon as you go to Matthew 17:1, it talks about the transfiguration. It's the same thing right after Mark 9:1 and Luke 9:27.

    When Jesus said, "there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God," I believe He was speaking of Peter, James, and John. They were the ones who Jesus took with Him up into the mountain to pray. They were the ones that were there to witness the transfiguration of Jesus.

    Luke 9:29 tells us that as he was praying, the fashion (literally outward appearance) of his countenance (or face), was altered. In the Greek text, it just uses the word HETEROS. His face became different. But even with the Greek word HETEROS, meaning different in kind than He was before, it wasn't a physical change. It was a physical change into a spiritual change. Matthew uses the word metamorphosis, meaning completely transformed. In the Greek text, it just uses the word HETEROS. His face became different.

    Now in Matthew Chapter 16, it is unfortunate that Verse 28 was placed in Chapter 16 because Verse 28 goes with Verse 1. Sometimes bible commentaries will stop at the end of Chapter 16 and do a five-page presentation of what Verse 28 means. All they had to do is say go to Verse 1, that there are some standing here that will not taste of death until they see the Son of Man coming.
  • TammyC - in Reply on Malachi 4
    He is speaking of John, I'm guessing. John was taken up to heaven and saw everything in the book of Revelation, which included Jesus' return. It could be that other apostles had these visions as well. So, John did see Jesus' return before he passed away, technically. That's my best guess.
  • Lisalou on Malachi 4
    In Luke 9:27, "...some standing here today will not see death till they see the Son of Man Coming in His glory."

    How is this possible? Is Jesus saying one of His disciples never died?

    Please answer, this is hard to figure out....

  • John Ickes on Malachi 4
    This came to me one day after morning prayer.

    "Apply not The Word of God like the salve of salvation, but the Armor of Righteousness.

    For salve's treat wound's and Armor prevents them."

    I've seen too many "believers" treat their belief like a religious first aid kit, applying it only as needed for their life's issues. If they only knew how to dawn their armor.
  • Adam - in Reply on Malachi 4
    There are two sciences: regular science and religious science.

    One just uses our God-given perceptions to observe, measure, quantify, analyze, and is doesn't feel threatened by other input and adjusting and correcting.

    The other is a religion based on false assumptions and hopes/desires of what they want to be true, then they try to build a bridge to that. For instance, they are desperate to believe that God doesn't exist, so every tiniest, most irrelevant scrap of info they consider as "evidence" towards their confirmation bias. They get very insecure and threatened by questions and other input that doesn't support their pre-desired conclusion. Example: if its a pharma product experiment that doesn't support the product, its considered failed and will try again until it seems like it "works." If its explaining the universe, it must not contain any supernatural forces from intelligence, otherwise its a failed experiment. If it doesn't directly support evolution, then it must not be a valid experiment. Conclusions already drawn ahead of time, refusing other explanations, refusing data, isn't science, it's a false religion in effort to fill their void of not believing in God.

    So, a scientist claims we have "millions" of years- that sounds like a religious belief. There are plenty of scientist believers who would disagree. The religious bullies lie and claim they are all in total 100% consensus. Not true. Very divided.
  • Melissa Landrith - in Reply on Malachi 4
    Please don't listen to scientist they are false teachers. They don't know how long is left. Only the Lord God Himself knows. He will come as if a thief in the night. So always be spirituality ready for Him.
  • Free - in Reply on Malachi 4
    Dear "Linda Harris", it became a little inexplicable this Postmyers567 is right. A little less answer to you will be. Jesus will return and then we will join Him home to the heavenly dwellings. Based on Paul's words, it will come a rapture! For Paul believed that Jesus would come before Paul laid down his flesh. And so did all the disciples! (smiles). So you see it's easy and go away in thoughts and deeds. Read and learn from the Holy Spirit. Get your own learning. Then you will understand everything in the right order.

    They are not wrong the others who have answered either, just look at it from a different angle at a different time. We are all like gems, dear people that Jesus loves, and that we are obliged to love. To fulfill the law.

    God bless you and yours, in the name of Jesus, love you in Christ. Stay strong in the word of God. Its the Life og Jesus.

    Luke 10:1-12
  • Postmyers567 - in Reply on Malachi 4
    All old testament prophecy's are fulfilled in Christ as Jesus stated.. Lu 24:44 (KJV) And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

    the great tribulation your referring to happened already in 70 A.D. The destruction of Jerusalem. which Jesus predicted..

    Mt 24:1 (KJV) And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

    Mt 24:2 (KJV) And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

    Jesus also said there will never be another time like that..... Mt 24:21 (KJV) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

    Malachi 4:5-6 is a clear reference to John the Baptist

    Mal 4:5 (KJV) Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

    Mal 4:6 (KJV) And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

    Lu 1:16 (KJV) And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.

    Lu 1:17 (KJV) And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.
  • Mark francis - in Reply on Malachi 4
    Reply to Postmyers 567: Elijah has yet to come to preach in the tribulation as predicted by Malachi.
  • Postmyers567 - in Reply on Malachi 4
    Malachi 4 is speaking of Christs first coming and the destruction of jerusalem which are connected together...its a remarkable chapter...

    verse 1

    For, Behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven - The destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 A.D.

    And all the proud - This is in reference to Mal 3:15 of the preceding chapter.

    The day that cometh shall burn them up - Either by famine, by sword, or by captivity. All those rebels shall be destroyed.

    It shall leave them neither root nor branch - A proverbial expression for total destruction. Neither man nor child shall escape.

    verse 5

    Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet - This is meant alone of John the Baptist, as we learn from Lu 1:17, in whose spirit and power he came.

    There are three remarkable predictions in this chapter: -

    1. The advent of John Baptist, in the spirit and authority of Elijah.

    2. The manifestation of Christ in the flesh, under the emblem of the Sun of righteousness. verse 2

    3. The final destruction of Jerusalem, represented under the emblem of a burning oven, consuming every thing cast into it.

    These three prophecies, relating to the most important facts that have ever taken place in the history of the world, announced here nearly four hundred years before their occurrence, have been most circumstantially fulfilled.
  • Linda Harris on Malachi 4
    Dear Sir:

    I just finished the last book of the Old Testament. Malachi is an interesting book. You know what I dont quite understand when the bible talks about the Earth will dissolve away and the Sun will refuse to shine. Does this mean that the Earth and the Sun will melt like a straw in the furnis. The scientist say we have a million years left. Could this be the rapture where all the good are taken and the rest are left? Like Noahs ark? Noah only needed what he needed.
  • Roman - in Reply on Malachi 4
    The order.
  • Roman - in Reply on Malachi 4
    Absolutely not. The witnesses are the sealed 144,000 saints.

    The two olive trees, and the two lampstands that stand before God.

    The house of Israel & the House of Judah.
  • Chris - in Reply on Malachi 4
    Unless you're thinking of Revelation 11:3.

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