to Onyame Charles 's comment on Luke chapter 3 verse 38. Adam was the first man CREATED by God, see Genn chapter 5 vrs 1 So God as a Creator is the Father. Adam was a sinner. Don 't compare him with The real Son of God , JESUS who was with the Father before the foundation of the world. In fact as John says In chapter 1 verse 3 of his gospel "all things were made by Him Jesus and without Him was not anything made .... ". And remember, Jesus walked in this world without a sin.
Evangelist Chatauna Robinson on Luke 3 - 9 years ago
Hello Onyame Charles. In addition to my first response to your question, Adam was the first man on this Earth. As I stated before God made him from dust and breathed the breath of life into him. The breath of life is different from the power of the Holy Ghost. I like to look at it like this, one gives life the other gives both, a new life in Christ Jesus and the power to get and see into heaven.
Evangelist Chatauna Robinson on Luke 3 - 9 years ago
Hello Onyame Charles Simply put because God made him out of dust and breathed the breath of life into him and he became a living soul. That made him God 's son. Remember the Holy Ghost name is Jesus Christ, John 14 26 it is the power of God. God actually conceived Jesus Christ through his power of the Holy Ghost, Matthew 1 20. This means that Jesus was begotten of the God, John 1 14, John 1 18 and 1 John 5 1. This did not say he was the only son. It just states he was the only begotten son. Now the mystery behind Jesus Christ is that he is both Lord and Christ. He is God manifested in the flesh, 1 Timothy 3 16. One he made out of dust the other he conceived with a woman.
Evangelist Chatauna Robinson on Luke 3 - 9 years ago
Part 3 of 3 Mary had four other sons, Joseph, James, Jude, and Simon. Because of the virgin birth, Joseph was not the father of Jesus so these were the half brothers of Jesus. The last three mentioned are not to be confused with those who were disciples of Jesus by the same name. Here are some passages where the other sons of Mary by Joseph are mentioned, Matthew 12 46 and Matthew 13 55 .
Evangelist Chatauna Robinson on Luke 3 - 9 years ago
Part 2 of 3 I know some scholars may argue that these are the Apostles mentioned but when you look closely at the scripture it states that James was Jesus Christ brother. Then the scripture states those other apostles and the Lord s Jesus Christ who is both Lord and Christ brothers, and then Cephas who was called Simon . Joseph was the stepfather of Jesus Christ. The definition of Stepfather is a man married to a woman with children but is not the children s biological father. Even though he was not Jesus Christ biological father people still recognized him as Joseph s son, Luke 4 22.
Evangelist Chatauna Robinson on Luke 3 - 9 years ago
Part 1 of 3 Hello Larry, Dan, and Joseph Jesus Christ did have brothers and sisters. Acts 1 14 All these continued together in prayer with one mind, together with the women, along with Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers . 1 Corinthians 9 5 Do we not have the right to the company of a believing wife, like the other apostles and the Lord s brothers and Cephas? Galatians 1 19 But I saw none of the other apostles except James the Lord s brother. Mark 6 3 Isn t this the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of James, Joses, Judas, and Simon? And aren t his sisters here with us? And so they took offense at him.
I am not sure but to response to Larry 's comment, Mary was born to sinners. Mary 's parent are all descendant of Adam so why single out Joseph. If God used Paul to save both the Jews and the gentiles, then Jesus being offspring of Joseph does not disqualify Joseph to be the Father of Jesus. Biologically or spiritually He was given the opportunity to be Jesus 's Dad because He availed himself. Please respond to that.
I really love the Book of Luke. I learnt alot from this chapter. As believers, we need the Holy Spirit to guide us. And we also need to be humble. Many of the elders didnot believe John because they refused to humble themselves.
I am filled with Joy and wisdom and Hope having search this saying and it coming to me from a Still Small voice as a new Christian Sceiencest and Reader Of Mary Baker Eddy s Book I am also a Novice Bible reader
@Larry
If Joseph was the biological father of Jesus then Jesus would have been born with Adam's sinful nature which was passed to every human being. He would have been born a sinner and then would not have been able to be the sacrifice for the sins of others, as He would have had to die for his own sin. Clarify - we are not sinners because we sin. We sin because we are sinners. Born sinners. No one has to teach us to lie, disobey our parents, lust, or steal. We do those things because it is our nature. Hence, the biological Father of Jesus Christ is God, not Joseph. I'm in agreement with Mas on this point.
@Mas,
Let's agree on 1 thing first: Regarding the birth of Jesus, God arranged every detail according to His wishes. If (the big word IF) God wanted it to be as I said in my previous post, He certainly had the power to do so. If He did, perhaps that's why Joseph is never referred to as "the step-father of Jesus", nor do you find reference to "the step-brothers of Jesus" in the Bible. And, finally, this would have been compassionate to Joseph, a quality of God which we see displayed throughout the Bible.
@Larry,
The words �as was supposed� are under round brackets to show they are explaining or clarifying the sentence, to make it more understandable. The fact is that the seed that impregnated Mary did not come from Joseph, nor from any other man; it was by the power of God, it was God�s creation, God�s mystery; and that secret was known by Joseph himself, Mary and a couple more believers. But the whole community in which they were living did not know that, because they were not part of God�s secrecy. So they believed Jesus was the son of Joseph. That�s why the words �as was supposed� came along; meaning �as was commonly believed�, �as was commonly thought�, �as people knew�. And that belief is found in many other places in the New Testament. The community knew Jesus as the son of Joseph, yet that was not biologically the case. I hope this helps. God bless you.
What does "being (AS WAS SUPPOSED) the son of Joseph" mean? Does it mean that God in his infinite wisdom and abilities found a method for Mary to be virgin, and yet for Joseph to be the biological father of Jesus? Is such thing possible today via medical procedure? If so, then why couldn't God have done the same or similar thing?
Jesus is the 62th generation of Adam. These verses are showing the history of approximately 5000 years. But science says there has been living things on earth from several million of years. What�s true? I�m a believer of Jesus, please answer me.
@Fiona,
On the lineage of Jesus:
1. Mathew writes of Jesus as king of the Jews ( Matthew 2:20);
2. So the lineage here in Mathew is from Joseph (step father of Jesus) back to Abraham (the father of the Jewish people) is to validate Joseph being chosen to be the step father of Jesus;
3. Luke writes of Jesus as a man and being the only human part of Jesus (who was conceived by the holy ghost in a virgin ( Luke 1:22-35). God gives the lineage of Mary (through Mary's father Heli ( Luke 3:23). Heli is Joseph's father in law;
4. Because in the Jewish customs set up by God from the beginning the lineage is always through the man;
5. This is to validate Mary as being chosen to be the mother of the son of God;
6. Note: Mark writes of Jesus as a servant and servants do not have a lineage, so no lineage is given in Mark. John writes of Jesus as God and God does not have a lineage, so no lineage is given in John;
7. Both lineages are given to validate Jesus to the Jews that he is the Messiah as foretold in the scriptures that the Jews have been waiting for;
8. These lineages are called the messianic line of Christ (anointed one chosen by God to be the son of God and to be the saviour of his people). Do not be confused on the term (son of) this term used by the Jews and God can be used in a blood related lineage or marriage related lineage. Also used in this age as a spiritual son as in the case of Paul's relation to Timothy ( 1 Timothy 1:2).
The answer is both and there is no contradiction. Jesus is in the line through Mary back to David, a kingly lineage, Jesus is in the line through Joseph to the Levites, a priestly lineage. That is how Jesus fulfills the role of both King and Priest.
This is an attempt to answer Fiona's question about Luke Chapt. 3. Lord please guide me as I answer.
Hi Fiona,
Both Mary and Joseph were from the tribe of Judah. As I'm sure you know, Jesus was often refered to as "The Son of David". The reason, in part, for listing the lineage is to explain how Jesus could justifiably be called The Son of David. Jesus, from an earthly standpoint, was in David's bloodline through Mary. But in ancient Hebrew law, I beleive the bloodline had to be traced through the father and not the mother. Today it's different, "Jewishness" is through the mother, if your mother is Jewish you're Jewish regardless of what your father is.
If you believe in Jesus and what the bible says, then do not overlook science. Science is good but science is also used to cover the truth.
Personally I do not believe about "million2x years" the earth was made. They stated that to connect to their evolution theory.
No aliens, no evolution, no big bang, no man travelled away from earth, etc.
People created that stories do not believe in God, else, it will contradict their stories.
If Joseph was the biological father of Jesus then Jesus would have been born with Adam's sinful nature which was passed to every human being. He would have been born a sinner and then would not have been able to be the sacrifice for the sins of others, as He would have had to die for his own sin. Clarify - we are not sinners because we sin. We sin because we are sinners. Born sinners. No one has to teach us to lie, disobey our parents, lust, or steal. We do those things because it is our nature. Hence, the biological Father of Jesus Christ is God, not Joseph. I'm in agreement with Mas on this point.
Let's agree on 1 thing first: Regarding the birth of Jesus, God arranged every detail according to His wishes. If (the big word IF) God wanted it to be as I said in my previous post, He certainly had the power to do so. If He did, perhaps that's why Joseph is never referred to as "the step-father of Jesus", nor do you find reference to "the step-brothers of Jesus" in the Bible. And, finally, this would have been compassionate to Joseph, a quality of God which we see displayed throughout the Bible.
The words �as was supposed� are under round brackets to show they are explaining or clarifying the sentence, to make it more understandable. The fact is that the seed that impregnated Mary did not come from Joseph, nor from any other man; it was by the power of God, it was God�s creation, God�s mystery; and that secret was known by Joseph himself, Mary and a couple more believers. But the whole community in which they were living did not know that, because they were not part of God�s secrecy. So they believed Jesus was the son of Joseph. That�s why the words �as was supposed� came along; meaning �as was commonly believed�, �as was commonly thought�, �as people knew�. And that belief is found in many other places in the New Testament. The community knew Jesus as the son of Joseph, yet that was not biologically the case. I hope this helps. God bless you.
On the lineage of Jesus:
1. Mathew writes of Jesus as king of the Jews ( Matthew 2:20);
2. So the lineage here in Mathew is from Joseph (step father of Jesus) back to Abraham (the father of the Jewish people) is to validate Joseph being chosen to be the step father of Jesus;
3. Luke writes of Jesus as a man and being the only human part of Jesus (who was conceived by the holy ghost in a virgin ( Luke 1:22-35). God gives the lineage of Mary (through Mary's father Heli ( Luke 3:23). Heli is Joseph's father in law;
4. Because in the Jewish customs set up by God from the beginning the lineage is always through the man;
5. This is to validate Mary as being chosen to be the mother of the son of God;
6. Note: Mark writes of Jesus as a servant and servants do not have a lineage, so no lineage is given in Mark. John writes of Jesus as God and God does not have a lineage, so no lineage is given in John;
7. Both lineages are given to validate Jesus to the Jews that he is the Messiah as foretold in the scriptures that the Jews have been waiting for;
8. These lineages are called the messianic line of Christ (anointed one chosen by God to be the son of God and to be the saviour of his people). Do not be confused on the term (son of) this term used by the Jews and God can be used in a blood related lineage or marriage related lineage. Also used in this age as a spiritual son as in the case of Paul's relation to Timothy ( 1 Timothy 1:2).
Hi Fiona,
Both Mary and Joseph were from the tribe of Judah. As I'm sure you know, Jesus was often refered to as "The Son of David". The reason, in part, for listing the lineage is to explain how Jesus could justifiably be called The Son of David. Jesus, from an earthly standpoint, was in David's bloodline through Mary. But in ancient Hebrew law, I beleive the bloodline had to be traced through the father and not the mother. Today it's different, "Jewishness" is through the mother, if your mother is Jewish you're Jewish regardless of what your father is.
Hope this helps.....Watch and Pray